 I find it overall more pleasing to the eye. I dislike how nowadays it is all digital or nothing.  |
RetroBite said: not only though but overall ye there aren't a lot nowadays, I mean we rarely ever see them nowadaysHuntik said: What exactly Cel animation Stands for? Hand-drawn in the 80's/90's style, etc. |
| Not really lol, I like how it is nowadays. |
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Huntik said: What exactly Cel animation Stands for? Animation painted onto an acetate cel. You know, how cartoons have been made for the past 100 years...like this  How can someone who likes anime not know what cel animation is? |
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| * cough ** cough * kiminonawa * cough * cough *, the digital is pretty good the truth. |
ProfessionalNEET said: And what does age have to do with appreciating cel animation huh?I'm not 30+ years old... so no I need to meet the 30 character limit so here are some extra characters OT: I personally like it way better than the current digital animation we got now, but that's just me |
Bobby2Hands said: Huntik said: What exactly Cel animation Stands for? Animation painted onto an acetate cel. You know, how cartoons have been made for the past 100 years...like this How can someone who likes anime not know what cel animation is? Oh, Now i understand. Thanks for the feedback. Hard to know. Maybe because i didn't watched to many old anime and searched about how they are make.... |
ProfessionalNEET said: I'm not 30+ years old... so no I need to meet the 30 character limit so here are some extra characters That's a weird stance to take. I can enjoy The Wizard of OZ and that was made in 1939 so... |
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| I miss it immensely, just felt like it had more personality and gave animations an overall aesthetic/vibe that will never be seen again. This isn't to say that digital animation can't look beautiful, and in some cases it is better suited for the style of certain series. But at the end of the day my heart lies with cel animation. |
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| I totally prefer it to digital. It's ofttimes a great deal more expressive. That's not to say digital can't look great though. |
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| High budget show with cel animation are just too good. Look at those sceneries in Omoide Poroporo, you could use every frame as a painting. |
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| The small imperfections in cel animation give it a more realistic feel than a lot of the clean digital animation, doesn't mean it's always better looking than the modern stuff ofc but it has a nice charm. I don't really care that it's not being used anymore though, there's plenty of old anime I can watch if I want to experience it. |
| I missed it too. Since animation today are mostly done in digital. I must say--it has that unique beauty and experience to it that are hard to describe. That's why I watch classics once in a while. |
| It looks pretty great as a still image, but in motion it's often not all that appealing to the eye. |
| Definitely. I highly prefer the appearance of cel animation, and older character designs, as it's what I grew up with. |
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| Yeah I love cel animation, especially when it's remastered in HD. But idk about 'missing' it since I watch cel animated anime all the time. There's a lot of them out there. So watching cel animation is still a thing of the present for me, not the past. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| No, I like digital animation way more |
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OMG I MISS CELL ANIMATION SO MUCH HIM FIGHTING GOHAN WAS SO EPIC  |
| Don't know really, I learned to move on and to get along with the new times, so I wouldn't say I really "miss" it. But in terms of preferences, yeah, I definitely prefer the cel aesthetics. They print an exquisite charm that digital animation simple can't do and I feel they did a better job when it comes to make the characters look like actual human beings, digital makes them look somewhat "plastic".... |
| *Insert perfectly neutral opinion that is completely against the unwritten rules of making everything controversial and heavily opinionated on the Internet* |
| cel has its charms but digital is more reasonable for this day and age. and still looks good. sadly, 3d is even more accessible for tight schedules, so we are currently getting swarmed with terrible CG as japan learns how to properly use the technology. so yea, i wouldnt mind getting a couple more traditionaly drawn anime here and there, but who has the time? |
| https://combosmooth.itch.io/ - I make free-to-play browser games for PC and I sell pixel art animation here |
| It's different, good cell animation is great but really hard to pull off, that's why we have so many shitty animated old shows. I prefer a lot of digital and fluid animation than a couple of cell animated great shows and tons of shitty ones. I'm not even bothered by CGI if it's well done. I'd like to add that shows like Gosick and Made in abyss can look amazing too, especially the backgrounds. Just naming a few. |
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HeroicIdealism said: jal90 said: *Insert perfectly neutral opinion that is completely against the unwritten rules of making everything controversial and heavily opinionated on the Internet* Then why even bother posting? Because the thread is open and my keyboard works. And because meme aside having a "no preference" option is perfectly valid in this discussion, since they are different aesthetics and processes. But if you want a more elaborate and confrontative opinion, then so be it: I absolutely disagree with your romanticization of effort and hard work, specially when the animators were doing it because they didn't have better options. One thing is the appreciation of an overall aesthetic which cel animation often conveys, another is the apparent lack of realization that doing it this way wasn't a choice and it was a chore for the animators, and digital tools helped them through improving their efficiency and releasing from workload. Rather than going back to cel animation, perhaps imitating the texture of cel animation with these new tools is a better choice, leaving you with the aesthetics without turning the industry backwards to a more precarious state. |
HeroicIdealism said: Digital animation, I've come to realize, usually looks awful. It is far too 'clean' and by clean, I mean, inauthentic, bland, boring, inhuman. Cel animation had so much more passion, so much more blood sweat and tears behind it. I love how it was all painted and how the colors are so vibrant. Cel animation was beautiful. I really do wish anime would go back to cel animation, but that'll never happen due to the ever-growing demand placed on anime studios to pump out anime after anime every season. ComboSmooth said: so yea, i wouldnt mind getting a couple more traditionaly drawn anime here and there, but who has the time? Apparently, everyone had the time before the 21st century. anime wasnt nearly as competitive then. There werent 200 anime per year coming out. I also think preferring cel to digital comes down to taste. There is still a lot of artistry that comes with good digital shading. Sadly not all studios aim for good or have the time to. |
| https://combosmooth.itch.io/ - I make free-to-play browser games for PC and I sell pixel art animation here |
| Yeah, I like it a bit more. Digital animation is still good, but i like the look of actual paint. It would be cool to see people using it still. |
| I'd be glad if they stopped doing same animation and art style for every seasonal tbh. |
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| Remastered cel > digital, in my opinion. I'd like to see more remasters of older anime, they look great. |
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| yeah, i like the older style better too. the saturated colors make a big difference as well, it stands out compared to nowaday's mostly bland and grayish tint. |
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| I might have agreed in the late 90s/early 00s from around 1999 to 2003 when computer animation in anime was experimental in anime and often looked hideous. Not now however, I definitely prefer digital animation, with it's increased color palate and better looking light and shadow effects. Modern animation looks better than cell animation in my opinion. |
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
HeroicIdealism said: jal90 said: Because the thread is open and my keyboard works. And because meme aside having a "no preference" option is perfectly valid in this discussion, since they are different aesthetics and processes. But if you want a more elaborate and confrontative opinion, then so be it: I absolutely disagree with your romanticization of effort and hard work, specially when the animators were doing it because they didn't have better options. One thing is the appreciation of an overall aesthetic which cel animation often conveys, another is the apparent lack of realization that doing it this way wasn't a choice and it was a chore for the animators, and digital tools helped them through improving their efficiency and releasing from workload. Rather than going back to cel animation, perhaps imitating the texture of cel animation with these new tools is a better choice, leaving you with the aesthetics without turning the industry backwards to a more precarious state. No shit it wasn't a choice. When you do have a choice, you tend to choose the easy way out, like they're doing now. And it tends to not look as good (but that's just, like, my opinion, man). I understand that opinion and preference, of course. But perhaps it's not the process what should be imitated, but the result. I don't know how much of a good imitation of cel animation can be made through digital tools, but if there is the chance they could certainly make use of them. Your alternative of the studios adopting the old method doesn't sit well with me. It seems like going backwards for the sake of going backwards, and bringing back the negatives that this technique had when there is no need to do that to capture a similar aesthetic. |
| everyday!! love the way it looks way better and the feel it has. I love looking at the backgrounds people painted and drew for them as well, like in the akira documentary, that shit is crazy |
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| Most definitely, mostly because of the backgrounds but specially because of the special effects. The equipment and techniques they had to use to achieve them. Like using a lightbox underneath the animation stand to give it that real glow/light effect, now it's done by using programs on the computer. What really sucks is that none of it has been written down. |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| Hmm. This thread makes me think I need to get a list of sakuga-dense cel-animated shows. Heavy sakuga doesn’t seem to have been as common before in TV anime, but even if it’s OVAs... As if I didn’t have enough stuff to check out already. |
HeroicIdealism said: DaCraziGuy said: It's different, good cell animation is great but really hard to pull off, that's why we have so many shitty animated old shows. I prefer a lot of digital and fluid animation than a couple of cell animated great shows and tons of shitty ones. I'm not even bothered by CGI if it's well done. No more shitty animated shows back in the day than there are now tbh. Even the ones limited in animation, like Berserk or Evangelion, I would much prefer over, say, Goblin Slayer. There are some beautiful digital shows (KyoAni knows what they're doing) but most are so bland. Cel animation always had extreme hard work put into it, and it always showed. We have shitty animation nowadays, yes. I love old shows, and I like the old shool art. But man, I see some scenes that suck so much. I agree that GS animation is meh, I like the show anyway. And most people talk about old shows and saying how great they are, but they forget that they are counting 20 years of anime history as one thing. Besides that the most impresive animations are used in movies or OVAs, the TV shows on the other hand aren't that impresive most of the times. Gundam and VOTOMS are one of my favorite shows, but I wish that they could be better animated, I stil have nightmares with Amuro in the cockpit. Also we a lot of cell animated shows, so much that we could spend years watching only old shows. |
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