| Like I said in the title can people really bs themselves into liking a certain anime just because they want to like it even though the Anime is just bad. |
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KanonDE said: Like I said in the title can people really bs themselves into liking a certain anime just because they want to like it even though the Anime is just bad. When you see a cute girl you put it as a positive rating even though it's trash |
| Maybe alcohol or drugs could help but other than that no clue |
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| A boring and bad straight romance anime. Make it yuri and people will love it. |
| Why not first bother asking yourself? Is it possible? What do you think? |
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| Yes, completely. People can BS themselves into thinking anything, not just liking/disliking an anime. If they tell themselves something enough times, iterate praises or criticisms of something to some way, shape, or form, so on and so forth, it doesn't need to stem from misunderstanding something or anything of that nature as much as just self-convincing. The most convincing liars do it - lie so much to themselves about something that they end up believing it and accepting it as the truth because their perspective gets molded around this being the case. I see people do stuff like this fairly often in my line of work, given the nature of my job >_> It's very possible, even when knowledge of the situation and the person tells a totally different story, people can convince themselves that it isn't the case and substitute a more easy to navigate "truth" about how they respond towards something in there about what they believe or how they see something and wind up earnestly believing it. It's just stupid to haphazardly accuse people of as much to any capacity whatsoever, because it's fucking stupid to accuse people of lying without any evidence to back it up in general, which is generally where people would be if they were to leverage this accusation about liking or disliking an anime. There's also the thing about whether or not it even matters in this case, which I don't think it would very much at all. Just believe them, or even give benefit of the doubt and always assume it's in earnest unless they do something so incredibly stupid that it makes them seem entirely full of shit about it. That's what I like to do, at least. |
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KatsutoSaki said: Why not first bother asking yourself? Is it possible? What do you think? well I actually think it is possible because I know some people that do it with Planet with this season, but I wanted to hear other opinions. |
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| i bsed myself into hating lovelive a while back |
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| Yes, it is. I was planning to like Banana Fish, only so i can undetected bait and troll its fans. |
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| I cannot bs myself to watch fma series so not everyone is willing to do it. |
KanonDE said: KatsutoSaki said: Why not first bother asking yourself? Is it possible? What do you think? well I actually think it is possible because I know some people that do it with Planet with this season, but I wanted to hear other opinions. People who force themselves to like a particular show are a bunch of morons. Usually, people do this: - To act "cool" among their friends. - Or to "please" certain people - Or to act as if they're "special." The same can be applied to the ones who convince themselves to hate a particular show (or a fanbase)... So, yes, it is possible... |
KatsutoSakiAug 14, 2018 5:37 AM
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| From my experience, it's possible to "force", adapt or make yourself like anything and everything. Applies pretty much to anything in life, but it does require a certain mindset. People can be programmed. |
Suddenly, someone slaps you with a brick wall. |
| Yeah, you tell me you do it all the time so it must be possible. |
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| I would say no, but cognitive dissonance is a real thing. If you sold yourself on a show based on the initial hype, especially if you talked a big game about it going in, I can see how you might keep telling yourself Ritsu's stunted emotional development over the course of K-on was a masterpiece of storytelling. |
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ituhata said: I would say no, but cognitive dissonance is a real thing. If you sold yourself on a show based on the initial hype, especially if you talked a big game about it going in, I can see how you might keep telling yourself Ritsu's stunted emotional development over the course of K-on was a masterpiece of storytelling. Do you mean by chance yourself? But yeah I agree I think that some people actually do that because they don't want to accept the truth that the anime they were all hyped for is bad and so they just tell themselves that it is good or at least pretend before others that they like it. |
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| People can certainly be "tricked" into liking a show because of its hype or it being regarded as a masterpiece by everyone around them but in my experience it only works to a certain extent and usually only with people who haven't seen a lot of anime. |
| Probably, but why tf would you do that?? |
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| pretty sure everyone here does it can’t imagine liking the things you guys do otherwise |
| Bs yourself? The moment this so-called lie works, you are pretty much enjoying it. If it doesn't, you don't enjoy the show. So in the end no matter what you do, you know if you are enjoying something and to which degree. |
| what if everyone s acquired tastes is just them constantly bsing themselves to the point that it becomes what we think we ve always liked, just gotta repeat that process till u like every anime tbh |
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| Yeah, what I consider bad someone could consider a masterpiece and the other way around but for someone who avoids a certain genre like me, I'd rather watch yaoi than any anime with harem tag my answer will be no. I made the mistake to watch some and I'm still recovering. |
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| definitely yes. depends what the bs is. the famous example flcl is better watched while drunk or high im told. also depends on the reason for watching it. if you are simuling with friends you might enjoy some garbage better because you are having a good time with others which ups the entertainment value (which should be the main focus on how you rate/like shows). also if they are watching it for the reason of going to hate on it later or looking down on it |
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| It is possible, I like Saint Seiya after all. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| rather u should be amazed of yourself for being able to enjoy something that would normally look like crap to you |
| Sonic X is basically an isekai |
| I bullshitted myself into liking Fairy Tail ( loving it actually ) for incredibly long time. It's very possible to do so. But those type of things happen. |
| You've literally bs everything in AD, so why can't do it to anime? Sure you can, if you try hard enough, endure enough, and the only prize you get is you can grief it on AD |
| No, absolutely not. I hate Rumiko Takahashi's works, especially her comedies, and there's nothing that can be done to make me like them. |
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| If I was peer pressured into liking them on an internet forum that discusses anime :think: |
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| can you define 'just bad' for me? In a way that everyone can agree on universally? Because otherwise your question is meaningless. An empty phrase. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| yes, it's called "lying to yourself" and that's no good imo |
Pullman said: can you define 'just bad' for me? In a way that everyone can agree on universally? Because otherwise your question is meaningless. An empty phrase. I mean with just bad, just something that the person themselves would see as just bad normally. |
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Pullman said: can you define 'just bad' for me? In a way that everyone can agree on universally? Because otherwise your question is meaningless. An empty phrase. Its literally bad by your own estimation. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, what matters is you've convinced yourself this show is great, but secretly, in the back of your mind, this show is trash by your own standards. |
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ituhata said: Pullman said: can you define 'just bad' for me? In a way that everyone can agree on universally? Because otherwise your question is meaningless. An empty phrase. Its literally bad by your own estimation. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, what matters is you've convinced yourself this show is great, but secretly, in the back of your mind, this show is trash by your own standards. You deserve a medal itu. That's why you ascended |
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| i forced myself to watch zero no tsukaima to 3rd season thinking ohh this is great... it fucking sucks |
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ituhata said: Pullman said: can you define 'just bad' for me? In a way that everyone can agree on universally? Because otherwise your question is meaningless. An empty phrase. Its literally bad by your own estimation. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, what matters is you've convinced yourself this show is great, but secretly, in the back of your mind, this show is trash by your own standards. That's just not a thing, thinking the same show is great and trash. I can enjoy something a lot even tho I know it isn't good, and that's what I'd call a 'guilty pleasure', but I'm not really gonna think of it as great. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| @KanonDE Can you teach me how to bs myself into liking Aikatsu? |
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Remix said: I only like Aikatsu cuz my waifu @KanonDE likes it. I'm BSing to myself so senpai will notice me. A-And I thought you really liked it baka pls it's easy just bs urself into liking it with memes |
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KanonDE said: But that requires it to have memes to begin withRemix said: I only like Aikatsu cuz my waifu @KanonDE likes it. I'm BSing to myself so senpai will notice me. A-And I thought you really liked it baka pls it's easy just bs urself into liking it with memes |
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| Yeah, it's called Masochism. Btw need sauce on your forum set OP. |
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Pullman said: ituhata said: Its literally bad by your own estimation. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, what matters is you've convinced yourself this show is great, but secretly, in the back of your mind, this show is trash by your own standards. That's just not a thing, thinking the same show is great and trash. I can enjoy something a lot even tho I know it isn't good, and that's what I'd call a 'guilty pleasure', but I'm not really gonna think of it as great. I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Let's make up an example: So My Shounen Trash School Season 42 is airing in a few weeks. All the cool kids wont stfu about it. The trailer looks great. As a rabid shounen fanboy nothing on Earth could possibly be better. So episode 1 airs. Holy hell is it absolutely terrible. Like, not only is the production value, voice acting, writing, and battle scenes below sub-par but at this point its closer to a SoL moe show than a battle shounen. So what do you do? You've already bought into the hype and loudly proclaimed so. Some people in some situations can walk away from this and admit the show is absolute garbage. Some people, in fact, statistically a very large amount of people, will suffer what is known as cognitive dissonance, and against all facts and logic will further cement themselves in the position that the show is the second coming of sliced bread. This is especially true in team sports and it is rampant in politics. So the question really is, do you believe the above paragraph is true? Are you willing to admit you've fallen prey to this phenomenon? |
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| So, @ituhata, do you have a way to measure that cognitive dissonance, or is it just speculation on your part about things people don't say because if such dissonance is working they will obviously believe and state that they are enjoying the anime? I know that the concept exists, but there's a few problems with comparing anime with, say, politics: in anime there are legitimate reasons to like stuff you disliked in other shows. |
ituhata said: You win the internet for today, my friend.Pullman said: That's just not a thing, thinking the same show is great and trash. I can enjoy something a lot even tho I know it isn't good, and that's what I'd call a 'guilty pleasure', but I'm not really gonna think of it as great. I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Let's make up an example: So My Shounen Trash School Season 42 is airing in a few weeks. All the cool kids wont stfu about it. The trailer looks great. As a rabid shounen fanboy nothing on Earth could possibly be better. So episode 1 airs. Holy hell is it absolutely terrible. Like, not only is the production value, voice acting, writing, and battle scenes below sub-par but at this point its closer to a SoL moe show than a battle shounen. So what do you do? You've already bought into the hype and loudly proclaimed so. Some people in some situations can walk away from this and admit the show is absolute garbage. Some people, in fact, statistically a very large amount of people, will suffer what is known as cognitive dissonance, and against all facts and logic will further cement themselves in the position that the show is the second coming of sliced bread. This is especially true in team sports and it is rampant in politics. So the question really is, do you believe the above paragraph is true? Are you willing to admit you've fallen prey to this phenomenon? |
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ituhata said: Pullman said: That's just not a thing, thinking the same show is great and trash. I can enjoy something a lot even tho I know it isn't good, and that's what I'd call a 'guilty pleasure', but I'm not really gonna think of it as great. I think you're looking at it the wrong way. Let's make up an example: So My Shounen Trash School Season 42 is airing in a few weeks. All the cool kids wont stfu about it. The trailer looks great. As a rabid shounen fanboy nothing on Earth could possibly be better. So episode 1 airs. Holy hell is it absolutely terrible. Like, not only is the production value, voice acting, writing, and battle scenes below sub-par but at this point its closer to a SoL moe show than a battle shounen. So what do you do? You've already bought into the hype and loudly proclaimed so. Some people in some situations can walk away from this and admit the show is absolute garbage. Some people, in fact, statistically a very large amount of people, will suffer what is known as cognitive dissonance, and against all facts and logic will further cement themselves in the position that the show is the second coming of sliced bread. This is especially true in team sports and it is rampant in politics. So the question really is, do you believe the above paragraph is true? Are you willing to admit you've fallen prey to this phenomenon? Not really. I was super hyped and had very high expectations for Terra Formars when the anime was announced but ended up giving it a 4/10. I also had very high hopes for Coppelion before it aired and it was super disappointing and got a 3/10 from me. At best you could say I finished them because I committed to them and wanted not to give up on them immediately, but I did not fool myself into thinking they're not trash :>. I'm generally someone who tries to enjoy everything and I'm more patient with this than most people, but when a show fails it just fails, idk. SAO was another example I was very hyped about and unlike the other two it wasn't trash from the start but still it didn't take long for me to become critical of it despite everyone else seemingly loving it at that point in time (Hard to imagine now, right xD). So yeah I can relate to there being a dissonance between your enjoyment and how good you think a show is (in fact I have that frequently with some genres I just love even if the show is pretty bad or mediocre, like battle shounen, swords & armies stuff, lots of isekai titles), but if neither enjoyment nor quality are there and you still pretend it's good? That seems absolutely weird to me and I don't think a lot of people actually do it. In politics or sports it's a different story, because people's careers and money and power are at stake and reliability and consistency are commodities in those areas so you want to maintain the illusion of them despite knowing better sometimes. But what's the benefit with anime? I don't get why anyone would do this to themselves in a hobby environment. There is no incentive. |
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jal90 said: So, @ituhata, do you have a way to measure that cognitive dissonance, or is it just speculation on your part about things people don't say because if such dissonance is working they will obviously believe and state that they are enjoying the anime? As far as anime goes, no I do not. While it's not hard to assign value and collectively as a community assign facts to things like production value, sound quality, voice acting, etc., it's hard to put a value on those things as they relate to the enjoyment by others, as that is entirely subjective. But again, the question is "Can you objectively look at yourself, with the scenario I just presented to you, and say, yeah...I've done that before. I've honestly bought into a show not because it was good, but because I actively convinced myself it was good to save face or to protect an opinion or position I took before I really knew what the show was going to be like" Quick Edit for more Clarity (Hope it catches you before you read it): You and you alone know your own values and you and you alone know exactly why you really like a show. As far as that goes, that is fact, you can measure it internally, regardless or whether you can admit it out loud, or even to yourself. |
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