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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Shizu is such a badass, glad to see that he's getting more screen time this episode. Loved the world building this episode with the ship's country and sea trade involved. Shizu's an underrated character this season and his actions were noticable for helping that kid. Kino's role this episode was noticable too and glad to see her make a difference. |
Stark700Oct 27, 2017 8:59 AM
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| SWEET JESUS I ALMOST DIED TOO BEFORE THE END CREDITS shizu is a good boy. must protect. thank u kino. |
| The character interactions and world building in this episode were great, and I enjoyed seeing Shizu and Riku learn about the ship and interact with the people But I can't help but feel like this story should have been 2 episodes....Like all the reveals still hit me hard personally but just having all this knowledge dumped on us at the end was kinda abrubt imho and it felt kinda off somehow However, I still liked everything about this episode, and Kino's involvement was pretty fine too (That's so rude how she forget Shizu's name but remembered the dog xDD). It made me smile to see Ti decide to stay with Shizu, but her stabbing him was so random =/ I didn't really understand why she did that and then proceeding to kill herself and him I mean........I guess that maybe she felt that she was used and so out of anger she stabbed him, but I still think that was a bit much regardless lol....But either way, I just want to hug her after learning about her past TwT Best Boy Shizu, ya did good this week....Ya did good RIP to those boat people though.....I understand that life on their is all they know and all they can do but seeing them pretty condemn themselves was kinda tragic.....But oh well, you reap what you sow |
| Yay Shizu x Riku are back! Shizu is such a bro, not giving in to temptation to become a guardian and instead joining the poors and trying to improve their lives. "They started to make something called "petitions"" Mr. Leader, I think you might have a problem in the near future. I got scared for a second when Shizu was about to get shot, good thing Kino was the one holding the gun. Still as soon as the Leader said he changed the course of the ship, they didn't waste time to rekt every guardian on their way up lol. The people didn't want to leave the ship, which was understandable. Maybe he should have suggested to try and repair the ship instead, or make a new one or something. Trying to make a population that has lived so long on a ship go on land wasn't going to work. Boy that ending was intense. First the stab, then the all the feels and then the bomb flying..Maybe it all happened a bit too fast; guess they didn't have much time left and didn't want to leave things with a cliffhanger. |
| The country in this episode was very interesting. It was nice to see Shizu and Riku learn about the ship and interact with the people. I knew it was Kino when Shizu heard a new traveler was on board. They fought together to take down the Tower Clan, but they already fled to another country and abandoned the one they were governing. The people are still going to stay on the ship. It's understandable I guess. Ti's past was sad to say the least. Shizu getting stabbed by her was random. They're going to be staying together though. How nice. |
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| It's turned into Shizu's Journey. This was maybe the best episode since the first one. I liked the study into the pitfalls of blind allegiance. The ending was quite strong, too. I'm still a little peeved about the progression so far. The restructuring may be breaking the developments and continuity between the arcs, consequently undermining the intrigue of Kino as a character. But at least it's on the right track now. |
| Fourth episode revolving around some sort of gun-action. At this point, it feels like the series is going all over the place with its episodic stories and lacking any concrete focus with its narrative compared to the 2003 adaptation. Still okay thus far as it is, but certainly inferior in quality to the original. |
| I didn't really like how they significantly butchered the Kino vs Shizu fight scene or moreso, completely removed it (pretty salty about it since I was looking forward to seeing it animated,) This episode had so much potential if it were two episodes rather than one, considering that the chapter for it was a hella long one. I honestly think it is the most rushed episode by far. But it was great finally seeing Ti on the screen. |
| *Screaming autistically through the screen* |
| A ship country this time and nice to see Shizu & Riku again. It was nice that Shizu took in Ti. Kino and Shizu make a strong duo. |
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| This was turning out to be a great episode, with the focus just on Shizu, but then it was kind of ruined when Kino showed up and acted in such a way that proves to me that the people behind this show just don't understand Kino at all. Still, this was an improvement over the last two episodes, so it's not entirely bleak just yet. |
Atavistic said: Kino showed up and acted in such a way that proves to me that the people behind this show just don't understand Kino at all. Or maybe you're the one who doesn't. :D |
Djidji said: Atavistic said: Kino showed up and acted in such a way that proves to me that the people behind this show just don't understand Kino at all. Or maybe you're the one who doesn't. :D No, I'm just basing it off of the original series and how Kino acts there; this show presents Kino in a way that entirely contradicts her general rules (not least of which being to only use the gun when necessary, not to use it all the time like she has been this series), which to me means that this series at least appears not to understand Kino as a character whatsoever. By extension, this seeming misunderstanding also means that the messages of the episodes seem seriously skewed and far less ambiguous than they're supposed to be (again, I'm saying this based on how the original series did things). Also, rather than just posting a snarky comment, why not explain to me why it's me who doesn't understand Kino as a character, rather than the people behind the show? I don't mind people questioning my viewpoint on things, but at least try to do so in a constructive manner. |
| You know, while I don't necessarily mind it that much, I can see the issues that people are having with the more action-oriented Kino. In the original, we never really did find out that she was bad-ass until that Collesum episode as she never did take out her guns often. But when she did, she owned everyone. There was the juxtaposition with the usually mild-mannered and apathetic Kino and the bad-ass Kino. The fact that they have her using her guns literally almost every episode does take away from that quite a bit. And yes, in the same vein, I also agree that she's interfering just a little too much as opposed to being a more passive observer. Little_Nai said: The orginal is still the light novel and not the 2003 Anime.... Kino acted like she did in the light novel so it's perfectly fine. Yes, yes. People have been saying that in like every thread. But the thing is that many people haven't read the original LN and are basing their impressions of this on the "original" 2003 anime, which is fine. |
ActarOct 29, 2017 1:22 AM
| well shizu focus this time ,,,hmm... the country sure was something...people were sceptical |
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| Riku is adorable. That country is doomed, why aren't they even trying to fix the holes? It had a happy ending, I was worried for a moment. |
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| Can anyone explain to me during the ending after ed song Kino and Hermes says "If we ever see that man again in the future, then....... Yeah, he might be surprised to death." What is that supposed to mean? |
| Ti is adorable though we never got to see her expression change by much... Lol I wonder what Kino meant at the end. Is it because Shizu didn't notice the kid was a girl like with Kino (until Riku told him ofc). |
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| Another great episode just like the last one. Really feeling it now. Shizu is someone who can't look away when something's bound to happen and people will be badly affected so he acted. He didn't take into account that these people would have like nothing left without this ship which had creatures looking over them but they still get supplied. And this is the only thing they know, they will be in utter disarray when it gets taken away from them. Kino most likely knew about it and decided not to interfere as it is her character. She had to take action by the end though when Shizu was basically confronting the issue. These people will be doomed by an early death. |
| Didn't expect a Shizu-focused episode, but that was surely a good episode. All's well, that ends well. Well, actually, can't say the same thing for the people in that country.... |
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| That ending kinda pissed me off and the after credits scene only softened it just...a tiny bit. Well at least Cloud and the gang escaped Sector 7 of Midgar before it went to complete shit...oh wait... |
| Don't believe the hype. |
| It felt like Hermes is just info dumping again. Lazy storytelling strikes again.... I just hope Sigsawa isn't getting screwed over by the production committee making this anime.... |
| Despite by getting abandoned on a wasteland filled with nanomachines. A ship with a counterpart build on a steampunk war engine. Engaging People learn how to live or die even without giving a thought of unnecessary shallow truth between the ship leaves a cruel desire path. |
 "Think about that glowing dust That destroys the night sky's dream of Just being nothing"--  -- |
| Maybe I'm completely lost or in another universe, but idk why this episode is allowed to slide with comments. Sad backstory is sad yeah, but I don't get why she'd stab him, and after he continues to be nice to her she decides end both of them together by blow them up....I get being a bit unstable because you were raised alone but what...I really think I must have missed something. Next level mood swings, I don't think Kino should of left him with her, that kid's dangerous and crazy. |
EpicenterOct 27, 2017 5:41 PM
| Jaywalker. |
| Riku is just a former member of Man with a Mission. |
| Lie until what you want to be true becomes truth. Lie until you can't remember what's a lie and what isn't. Lie until you aren't lying anymore! [url=https://myfigurecollection.net/profile/Femboy[/url]  |
duderus said: Lol I wonder what Kino meant at the end. Is it because Shizu didn't notice the kid was a girl like with Kino (until Riku told him ofc). Kino is referring to the fact that if they meet in the future, her gender will be quite noticeable (Kino is unaware that Riku told Shizu about it). Tokoya said: However, I still liked everything about this episode, and Kino's involvement was pretty fine too (That's so rude how she forget Shizu's name but remembered the dog xDD). It made me smile to see Ti decide to stay with Shizu, but her stabbing him was so random =/ I didn't really understand why she did that and then proceeding to kill herself and him The machines (the Tower Cult) had raised Ti when she was abandoned by her parents and shunned by the citizens of the country. Shizu made the machines abandon their position, thus orphaning Ti, then told her she should go back to her country. By her reasoning, he had removed her only family/companions and then callously left her to fend for herself. Epicenter said: Maybe I'm completely lost or in another universe, but idk why this episode is allowed to slide with comments. Sad backstory is sad yeah, but I don't get why she'd stab him, and after he continues to be nice to her she decides end both of them together by blow them up....I get being a bit unstable because you were raised alone but what...I really think I must have missed something. Next level mood swings, I don't think Kino should of left him with her, that kid's dangerous and crazy. See the above. The reason for her attempted suicide is that Shizu was about to die, and thus her new hope for a family of sorts was going to end before it even began, leaving her alone again. She chose to die with him rather than be abandoned once more. |
TheTsunami said: The machines (the Tower Cult) had raised Ti when she was abandoned by her parents and shunned by the citizens of the country. Shizu made the machines abandon their position, thus orphaning Ti, then told her she should go back to her country. By her reasoning, he had removed her only family/companions and then callously left her to fend for herself. Epicenter said: Maybe I'm completely lost or in another universe, but idk why this episode is allowed to slide with comments. Sad backstory is sad yeah, but I don't get why she'd stab him, and after he continues to be nice to her she decides end both of them together by blow them up....I get being a bit unstable because you were raised alone but what...I really think I must have missed something. Next level mood swings, I don't think Kino should of left him with her, that kid's dangerous and crazy. See the above. The reason for her attempted suicide is that Shizu was about to die, and thus her new hope for a family of sorts was going to end before it even began, leaving her alone again. She chose to die with him rather than be abandoned once more. I still don't buy the logic. She was the one who was helping him figure out there were so many issues with the ship, she never tried to stop him when he went to confront them and he even had a sword. And even after that, it was clear he was a good dude, and had told the people not go back on the ship and only caved because of what they told him, it was obvious he was only telling her not to miss going back cause he assumed she'd want to. She could of just asked to stay with him or have some sort of conversation, but her first reaction to being told to get back on the ship is to stab the man? From all she's seen of him, that was a pretty cruel and cold reaction. But then after he's nice to her while dying, she completely goes the other direction and decides they're close enough that she'll die to go down with the dude she stabbed in the first place? If her abandonment issues are this severe, and she has no common sense, she's flat out still dangerous, what if he goes to the washroom some day and she thinks he's he's leaving her by not having her come with him? She gonna stab him then too? Something is really off about how this was displayed. |
| Jaywalker. |
| I almost lost my shit completely before I saw the scene after the credits. |
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HenshinDrift said: Can anyone explain to me during the ending after ed song Kino and Hermes says "If we ever see that man again in the future, then....... Yeah, he might be surprised to death." What is that supposed to mean? I'm not 100% sure, but I think by then kino will be too old to hide her true gender. If anyone has a different answer, let me know. |
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ThatCynicalOtaku said: But the 2003 adaptation was also episodic with 0 overarching storyline, completely and different settings. Thinking back, yes this is true since it's similar to Mushishi in episodic storytelling format. However, 2003 Kino did have a focus on atmosphere and creativity that is sorely lacking to a great extent with this remake. A little too much emphasis on resolving issues with gun-action and the past three episodes felt compressed or rushed in their plots. |
 There were a number of quiet moments in this episode. There were also a lot of opportunities where Shizu interacted with the people of the country. There was a lot of exploring, and a lot of moments that could be called atmospheric. Shizu, as a character, was challenged in this episode where his thoughts of trying to save everyone, which isn't wrong, were harshly rejected by the people of the country, who only knew of how to live aboard the ship. No, rather than just being a ship, it's their home, and the thought of the place sinking never crossed their minds. Even if it did sink, they'd probably be content with dying with it, as they wouldn't be able to live anywhere else. Heck, even the rulers weren't wrong, as they knew too that maintaining the status quo is the only way the people knew how to live, and due to how they had lived estranged from all other civilizations, they wouldn't be able to handle self-governing and self-defense. There were no right or wrong answers to anything in this episodes. As far as Kino working for the rulers, I can only guess, but I suppose having as little problems while traveling as possible superseded any guilt associated with causing harm to others. That being said, Shizu, despite trying to live humbly, still ended up fighting at the end regardless, so there really wasn't a difference in that regard. So...yeah. There it is. This is Kino's Journey. I enjoyed this episode a lot. |
Shocked said: There were a number of quiet moments in this episode. There were also a lot of opportunities where Shizu interacted with the people of the country. There was a lot of exploring, and a lot of moments that could be called atmospheric. Shizu, as a character, was challenged in this episode where his thoughts of trying to save everyone, which isn't wrong, were harshly rejected by the people of the country, who only knew of how to live aboard the ship. No, rather than just being a ship, it's their home, and the thought of the place sinking never crossed their minds. Even if it did sink, they'd probably be content with dying with it, as they wouldn't be able to live anywhere else. Heck, even the rulers weren't wrong, as they knew too that maintaining the status quo is the only way the people knew how to live, and due to how they had lived estranged from all other civilizations, they wouldn't be able to handle self-governing and self-defense. There were no right or wrong answers to anything in this episodes. As far as Kino working for the rulers, I can only guess, but I suppose having as little problems while traveling as possible superseded any guilt associated with causing harm to others. That being said, Shizu, despite trying to live humbly, still ended up fighting at the end regardless, so there really wasn't a difference in that regard. So...yeah. There it is. This is Kino's Journey. I enjoyed this episode a lot. The only "quiet" moment I can recall is the one where the little girl goes under Shizu's coat. Shizu had like, one interaction, at max, 2, with the residents. Kino is a neutral character, but if she can give only a little helping hand (as long as she doesn't get too involved), she'll do some good things. |
ThatCynicalOtaku said: Shocked said: There were a number of quiet moments in this episode. There were also a lot of opportunities where Shizu interacted with the people of the country. There was a lot of exploring, and a lot of moments that could be called atmospheric. Shizu, as a character, was challenged in this episode where his thoughts of trying to save everyone, which isn't wrong, were harshly rejected by the people of the country, who only knew of how to live aboard the ship. No, rather than just being a ship, it's their home, and the thought of the place sinking never crossed their minds. Even if it did sink, they'd probably be content with dying with it, as they wouldn't be able to live anywhere else. Heck, even the rulers weren't wrong, as they knew too that maintaining the status quo is the only way the people knew how to live, and due to how they had lived estranged from all other civilizations, they wouldn't be able to handle self-governing and self-defense. There were no right or wrong answers to anything in this episodes. As far as Kino working for the rulers, I can only guess, but I suppose having as little problems while traveling as possible superseded any guilt associated with causing harm to others. That being said, Shizu, despite trying to live humbly, still ended up fighting at the end regardless, so there really wasn't a difference in that regard. So...yeah. There it is. This is Kino's Journey. I enjoyed this episode a lot. The only "quiet" moment I can recall is the one where the little girl goes under Shizu's coat. Shizu had like, one interaction, at max, 2, with the residents. Kino is a neutral character, but if she can give only a little helping hand (as long as she doesn't get too involved), she'll do some good things. Ah, my bad. To clarify, when I said "quiet moments," I was more referring to moments where there were no dialogue, though I also remember the moments when they were just talking through making facial expressions, or when they went to the top of the ship to look out into the sea. The interactions were a couple of conversations and montage of dialogue-less interactions, which I could accept given the single episode time constraint. And yeah, Kino is kind of fickle like that. |
Shocked said: ThatCynicalOtaku said: The only "quiet" moment I can recall is the one where the little girl goes under Shizu's coat. Shizu had like, one interaction, at max, 2, with the residents. Kino is a neutral character, but if she can give only a little helping hand (as long as she doesn't get too involved), she'll do some good things. Ah, my bad. To clarify, when I said "quiet moments," I was more referring to moments where there were no dialogue, though I also remember the moments when they were just talking through making facial expressions, or when they went to the top of the ship to look out into the sea. The interactions were a couple of conversations and montage of dialogue-less interactions, which I could accept given the single episode time constraint. And yeah, Kino is kind of fickle like that. I don't remember any scene of characters interacting through only facial expressions. Yeah, there were definitely more, I guess, down-to-earth moments, like when they looked out on the top of the ship. But my problem is just how short those moments were--shots of the ship itself were like, 3 seconds. They were so short, that I almost immediately forgot about them. I don't remember any scene lasting more than 2 minutes, before the episode awkwardly cuts to the next scene. The scene with Shizu and the girl in the rain could also have been longer, more silent, to really stick in your mind. |
| So I assume that Kino was implying about Shizu being surprised the next time they see each other is because Kino is a girl and he doesn't realize it. I actually wasn't completely sure myself and thought maybe it was something they were keeping save for later, and then I read the MAL description and it says she's a girl in the first line, and her MAL page has it listed too. I guess Kino is pretty confident that she's gonna grow like a foot taller and get big tits and an ass then. |
Tokoya said: The character interactions and world building in this episode were great, and I enjoyed seeing Shizu and Riku learn about the ship and interact with the people But I can't help but feel like this story should have been 2 episodes....Like all the reveals still hit me hard personally but just having all this knowledge dumped on us at the end was kinda abrubt imho and it felt kinda off somehow However, I still liked everything about this episode, and Kino's involvement was pretty fine too (That's so rude how she forget Shizu's name but remembered the dog xDD). It made me smile to see Ti decide to stay with Shizu, but her stabbing him was so random =/ I didn't really understand why she did that and then proceeding to kill herself and him I mean........I guess that maybe she felt that she was used and so out of anger she stabbed him, but I still think that was a bit much regardless lol....But either way, I just want to hug her after learning about her past TwT Best Boy Shizu, ya did good this week....Ya did good RIP to those boat people though.....I understand that life on their is all they know and all they can do but seeing them pretty condemn themselves was kinda tragic.....But oh well, you reap what you sow Pretty much everything I wanted to say especially with regards to Ti. Post credit scene was really nice. However, it's a real shame that those people are gonna die an early death. |
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nazsa said: HenshinDrift said: Can anyone explain to me during the ending after ed song Kino and Hermes says "If we ever see that man again in the future, then....... Yeah, he might be surprised to death." What is that supposed to mean? I'm not 100% sure, but I think by then kino will be too old to hide her true gender. If anyone has a different answer, let me know. Nope. Actually Shizu already knew Kino is a girl from episode 2. |
| Definitely my favorite episode so far, despite the rushed ending. I'm very happy we got to see more of Shizu, which definitely gave us more time to get attached to him. He was my favorite character in the original adaptation after just two episodes, and the single episode this time around just didn't let me get attached to him like I did in the original adaptation. 8V this gave me that chance That said, I screamed VERY loudly when it cut to the credits |'D brb going to read the novels. |
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