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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I'm glad we are going back to Sanji's past, its still very sad though... the Vinsmokes are biologically advanced humans, very interesting also the Vinsmokes seem to really enjoy animal cruelty, kicking turtles and throwing mice out windows... so Sanji's mother died, and it seems she might actually have been a kind person unlike the rest of them poor Sanji locked up at the end of the episode, really hurts my heart... T^T |
| This episode was hard to watch because it was too painful. I wanted to keep my eyes closed because of what it delivered and showed. T_T |
| Sanji is literally the definition of someone who is a lover not a fighter... (disregard all fights he's had in the series lmao) Also if they didn't have Zeff as a hostage Sanji would be able to easily beat all three of his brothers at once. God please let that be a fight in this arc so we can see Sanji whoop their asses without holding back |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
| Damn, Sanji freemyboysanji |
| Just what wrong with One Piece world? i mean about 90% character are jpeople filled with power is everything and kill em all brain. getting real tired |
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| Nami stalling cracker 1on1 and cracker taking a hit from luffy XD XD Sanji's abuse past continues. |
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| This blackmail b#llsh*t of an excuse to hold Sanji off is triggering me... if only he can confirm Zeff safety so he can kick some ass... |
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| I'm hoping to see a sanji power up |
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| I feel bad for Sanji's past. I'm glad Reiju was at least sorta nice. |
| Yeah his dad is climbing the ranks of the douchebag elite. |
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| Liked Nami's fight against Cracker. Now Luffy is back to continue. The flashbacks and the feels regarding Sanji's past started. Reiju is the only person that actually cares for him from this rotten family. Next episode is going to be really sad. |
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| I liked the Nami vs Cracker filler and Sanjis past hit the feels again :( Overall a nice episode. |
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| Nami has some serious guts taking on Cracker. Fuck Sanji's family (except for Reiju) |
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| Sanji's past is getting more and more tragic. |
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| Think this episode was a notch higher than the ones before in this arc , nami was awesome too. Did anyone else notice that the examiner said '' we modified bloodline element of all 4 of them but sanji is a failure. '' This means they didn't modify reiju's bloodline element but she is just like them . It's kinda strange . Oh and I'm glad reiju isn't as shitty as his brothers , kinda liked her personality . And we got a glimpse of sanji's mother , she seemed beautiful and also was blonde . Looking forward to the next episode . |
| Wow vinsmoke judge is such a bitch. |
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| So is Sanji his real son and the others are created? |
| Good episode. The Nami vs Cracker stuff was pretty decent, nice to see her fight. Luffy's entrance was awesome though. Sanji's past of suffering continues, the way he was treated by his family totally sucks. I felt so bad for him every time they call him a failure and beat him up beyond reason. :( Despite all that, i really love watching Sanji tying to have his own fun with cooking and playing with the turtle and what not. For an abused little kid to be able to do that, it's pretty amazing. Thank Goodness at least Reiju was sorta nice to him. The final scene with Sanji screaming inside the cell is incredibly sad. :( |
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| How can they do that to Sanji? :( I already read manga and after watching this episode I am still pissed off! And now we have to wait the next week for the new episode. |
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| 3/5 only cuz they drag way too much the fight between Luffy and Cracker.Sanji childhood story is not bad but they could of put it simply before Luffy started fighting Cracker.Simply bad timing for it. |
| well sanji's past it seems reiju was always nice...poor sanji |
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Not really. They are his sons/daughter, but were genetically modified. Only Sanji's genes reverted back to their original state cancelling any modification effect. WolfWood37 said: Yeah his dad is climbing the ranks of the douchebag elite. Yup. Exactly. |
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| That fight between Nami and Cracker was nice. We know normally Nami is super scared of all strong oppnents they face but now she does everything to rescue Sanji and give Luffy more time to recover from his last fight. I'm glad Luffy is back. It's funny, when Cracker was about to attack Nami I thought it's time for Luffy to come back. That will be interesting. Sanjis brothers are such cowards. Extorting Sanji with Zeff so that he can't fight against them. Also his past is just a nightmare. After seeing more what happened to him, it's a surprise that he grew up as a normal person. Most people would have never recovered from that. The last scene was just cruel. |
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| Finally taking a proper look at Sanji's past and.. wow. He had it hard. But not for lack of trying! I really can't wait to see him finally overcome his "normal"-ness and beat the shit out of those other three. |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| Meh all this flashbacks about Sanji's just meant to rile up the emotions of the viewers . We already know Sanji's past pretty much without his backstory but they really are rubbing it in. What I want to know is how he escaped that place and ended up in that old pirate turned chef dude's ship. |
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| This anime was very painful and touched me deep in my heart. I've never thought Sanji's past was extremely sad... |
| That in canon filler at the start of the episode has kind of messed with a few details about Cracker... Damn it, Toei. @blink_claw Pretty much the first 11 minutes. |
| Still no improvements on the animation, especially during fight scenes. ZBlastHistory said: Just what wrong with One Piece world? i mean about 90% character are jpeople filled with power is everything and kill em all brain. getting real tired Just like the real world |
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| Getting smack around because of a hostage is always frustrating, the eventual beatdown by Sanji will be satisfying |
| Guys is the animation during fights still worse than dressrosa ?? I shifted to the manga long ago but there are some fights I want to watch animated |
| So that is Sanji's origin, biologically modified humans. Now how he ended up with Zeff. |
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| I like Cracker but... how can people actually think he's stronger than Doflamingo if even Nami can block hits from him while Doffy almost one-shot Sanji? xD |
| Am I crying? Yes, I am. |
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| I was so distracted from constantly hearing Chopper's seiyuu from little Sanji I couldn't focus, sigh... Still, poor guy! Glad to see that at least his sister is slightly more normal, that makes at least one ally for him, I guess. |
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| how did Sanji get so strong? Doubt he was training hardcore like Zoro was |
| "I'm sorry I was born weak" ... ouch right in the feels. |
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| Poor Sanji... 😔😭 |
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| I don’t mean to keep ragging on the obvious, but this episode's use of the 10 minute downtime Luffy suffers after gear 4 was literally what I was concerned it would become. As Luffy charges up, a weaker party member gets time to shine, they barely hold off the enemy, and Luffy shaves in saving Rebecca and Viola or Nami while shouting: “don’t hurt my friend!” The start and end of a fight may be predictable but we don’t need every step of the way to be so cookie cutter. This doesn’t mean using a formula like this is bad, it is obviously effective, and this time showed off Nami’s strength and love of Sanji. The flashback of him being a pervert or saving Usopp in Water 7 or saving the gang from Doflamingo was sweet. He has put himself on the line for them without hesitation. As Zoro said in that amazing filler conversation in Alabasta “Everyone should do what they can with their lives on the line and then say to the next guy: ‘I did what I could. Now it’s your turn. If you don’t finish it, I’ll kick your ass!’” As for the Vinsmokes, as much as I praised them for not crossing the line of unbelievability while being very silly and extreme, I preferred when their values and past were implicit. Having Niji, who looks like he would lose to Sanji, beat him while he can’t defend himself, and having Ichiji talk about the proper hierarchy of boys who need a hostage to keep him down, after having Niji beat defenseless woman, and before flashing back to show us beating those Sanji cares for is a pattern among other mistreatments, it’s simply a little overbearing. I understand that the Vinsmokes are prideful, sadistic, and cold, I understood that very quickly, and this episode just reiterated that sentiment. Was what they’ve done not enough? I extrapolated they’ve always been like this from their first appearances, and because of that, it made it feel as if there was an attempt to manipulate my emotions. It didn’t feel sincere, it felt like a montage of really bad guys doing bad things to make sure I feel super super super bad about these woman beating, family betraying, animal abusing scum. I didn’t need that and it was so extreme it only hurt my impression of them, taking them from believable to overly simplistic due to the amount of this behavior I’ve been shown in quick succession. Now, I’m being too critical, I did like this episode. To start with, it seems Sanji and his siblings are superhumans modified by the Vegapunk bloodline science. And when it started, we saw the Endeavour-like Judge announce that these kids were birthed for a reason. To train and to become leaders of Germa 66. That’s why they exist, it’s even more conditional than we could have glimpsed from Sanji’s first on-screen meeting with Judge. They were modified for this! Further, Sanji, like the siblings, chanted to this future Judge had in mind. I think Sanji was willing to train, he wanted to do what his father wanted as I imagine most boys would in his shoes. This makes the slow and constant failure of Sanji all the more sad as he cries, abandoned by his father and left to die, apologizing that he was born weak. Brutal stuff, it was a nice look into the transformation Sanji had, and if Sanji was conflicted on his feelings for his father, the fact that he probably aspired to be the man Judge wanted and therefore wanted his acceptance feels all the more meaningful. It gets me excited to see the difficult emotions he’ll have to confront. The Sanji beating scene and the flashbacks made something else clear. Ichiji has continuously been another pompous asshole, just like Niji and Yonji, and like them, he has a different flavour of it. A more reserved and confident demeaning scumbag, unlike the bullying Niji, or the antagonistic punk Yonji. The flashbacks never gave me an impression of another side of him. However, it very much did for Reiju. Around the 16 minute mark when Sanji lost the race and Judge looked at him with cold eyes and left him behind, Reiju was the only one who paused for a minute to look back at him. Later, we see Reiju look concerned for Sanji but laugh alongside her brothers, imitating them. This was quite awesome visual storytelling, I had a suspicion that Reiju was actually considerate and cared for others, but ultimately agreed with her father's views. This made it clear that at a young age she was in conflict and had a heart but never put it first. Later when she stated what was already shown, which felt slightly unnecessary, she put it explicitly and said that she laughs so that she isn’t bullied as well. A sentiment we can presume she still holds to some degree, like she agrees and lives up to her family’s decisions and expectations because she never wanted to be treated like Sanji was. Lastly, we saw a photo of Sanji’s mother and were told that feeding rats was living up to the legacy of the deceased. This goes to suggest that Sanji took more after his mother than his father. Perhaps Reiju also got some of their mothers kindness but the other boys are 100% Judge. Further, we don’t know what the death of the mother did to Judge and the children, I wonder if that played a role in how they’ve become. Sanji was in the photo with his mom and he looked old enough to remember her after all. |
| That has been one hell of a childhood, Sanji's family members have been so cruel to him. He's the only one who can at least has some feelings, yet he's called a failure amongst his so-called siblings.. and now he's even imprisoned by his own family.. also, kinda interesting that the sons and daughter of the Vinsmoke family are superhumans, guess thats why they work so good as Warmongers. And seems like Sanji's mother was kind like him.. I wonder if she really died by some accident or this is some outrageous shit done by that asshole Judge At least it seems Reiju has some humanity to care for her brother. |
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| I don't get it, wouldn't it be easier just to kill Sanji? Why bother imprisoning him? Judge seemed intent on violent conquest, I don't think killing a child would bother him, regardless if it's his own kid. I also don't get how the guards and staff are allowed to give him stuff and let him out every now and then. Wouldn't they get killed for insubordination? |
| It wasn't Sanji's fault that he was born weak... While his brothers and father were complete assholes, at least Reiju's not all bad. Her fairly distant behavior towards her little brother whenever he gets beaten up was all the more justifiable since it's more than likely that they'd go as far as to beat her up on the regular if they find her caring for Sanji, after all. |
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