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| I really hope he died, and doesn't come back all cliche and shit. Amazing episode! I so many feels, and just everything about this episode was amazing! I was also going to say "Man it would be cool if Nobume joins either Shinsengumi or odd jobs and we could have some great funny moments!" but we can't have it :( Fuck I don't want to watch the next episode! :( |
GokuAug 8, 2016 9:15 PM
| Wtf, since when did Gintama turn into a Game of Thrones or Akame ga Kill? 1000/10 But I want the good old days back nevertheless. |
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| I've seen so many emotional animes, but I have never cried as much as I have in this one episode. I love Gintama. |
| I never thought I'd shed a tear for Isaburo of all people 😭😭 |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| The first and last time i'll ever cry watching a man read text messages :( RIP Sasaki, i wanted you to live |
Laraso said: He wasn't following orders, if you pay any attention to what was happening they clearly explained that he planned everything out and led everyone here in hopes to kill everyone off including himself and end the era of Samurai (which if you go back and watch the first few episodes of the original seasons of Gintama, that era is supposed to already be long gone and samurai are supposed to be virtually extinct already, but somewhere along the line the author of Gintama forgot everything about the original premise of this series and broke that plot point a loooong time ago so it's somewhat irrelevant in this context). Then, a few flashbacks later, suddenly he doesn't care about that anymore and he spontaneously tries to save the people he was literally up until a few moments ago trying to kill. That's not character development, that's bad writing. CG-Silver said: Now I'm failing to understand what's the problem here. This might be more on a personal level for you so I can't really see what's the complaining about. It's normal for any series to have it's fair share of revelations. The problem is that the anime leads you up to believe that she's a heartless killer who doesn't care about anyone, and then at breakneck speeds just spontaneously breaks that entire archetype they created for her, and she spontaneously starts acting like a human being. It's not the fact that she had a hidden personality that got revealed that bothered me, it's the fact that the way the story was written in which that hidden personality was revealed was extremely messy and very poorly written. After revealing that she's not so heartless deep down, they also reveal that she originally killed Sasaki's family, but then very quickly later retract that and go "oh nope actually she tried to save them". All of the flashbacks leading up to that were building on the fact that she killed his family, that she was some sort of "child of death", and then BAM out of nowhere they spontaneously reverse that and now she's actually just a good girl who tried to save everyone. So Sasaki and Nobume have known each other since her childhood, all this time with the idea that she had killed his family, and then randomly at the end of the episode Sasaki goes "oh but maybe that was wrong this entire time, this crazy idea just came to me that maybe you actually just tried to save them lol, its cool". This was never discussed between them before? They never had a conversation about this until just now? And if that was the case this entire time, why spend half the episode showing flashbacks holding back information in order to lead people to believe one thing, if you're just going to reverse that and say something completely different happened in the last half? Get real. Adult Nobume had been portrayed to be a coldhearted killer "in the battlefield" Like a different variation of Sogo, hence the rivalary. Not once did I percieve her as an indiscriminate killer, nor have I noticed anyone seeing it that way. Both herself and Isaburo were introduced -and continued to act- as firm policemen with mysterious underlying motives, with the latter being the mastermind, and the former his faithful servant. As for the flashback.. If my memory serves me right, the first time Nobume was officially revealed to have (presumably) murdered Isaburo's family, was the same scene in which she didn't defend herself, telling him to kill her as she teared up. That was foreshadowing in and by itself! Some identity or expression problems continued to persist within her as a result of being torn between Naraku's madness, Shoyo's noble teachings, and being used as a tool even by Isaburo. That made her come across as an emotionless weirdo who is hard to read. Isaburo had conflicted feelings about her, as expressed in his occasional phrase "The bastard child of Death" He was subconciously conditioning himself to believe that she had been the assassin, an emotionless killing machine, so as to make it easier on himself to use her as a tool. His fatherly instincts gradually grew as he found himself attached to her. And so at one point in time, he changed her name from Mukuro (Corpse/Skeleton), to Nobume (Girl of Faith) a name he intended for his daughter. It's bittersweet, because Isaboru was in the end of the day an asshole. A likeable asshole whose bitter feelings for revenge, which entailed using Nobume as a tool, outweighed his feelings of love. And perhaps he also couldn't muster the courage to confess. He's a likeable fallen hero whose backstory is genuinely heartbreaking. I appreciate how he didn't direct his anger and sadness towards the destruction of everything, unlike the emotional-wreck that is Takasugi. Each to their own but I found their story unique, coherent, and beautiful. |
TogameCheerioAug 31, 2017 11:44 PM
Xeno_Wrath33x said: Gintama fanbase so heated that this ain't in 2nd place no more. =] >Posting a worthless comment because of delusional belief; >Caring about ratings of other anime. I feel sorry for you. |
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| Here we go again,another feels trip sponsored by Gintama,this show is just so unbelieveable good at it. There was a lot of focus on Sasaki,a character I never really cared for,but the whole exploration of his and Nobumes past was so well done and climaxed in a spectacular death scene,worth the whole build up. Think Gintama is the franchise which made me tear up the most,right after One Piece. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Nooooooo NOT ISABUROOOO Goddamit Gintama :'( Hitting it right in the Kokoro... Already can predict I'm going to cry in the next episode :'( as if crying in this episode and in Takasugi's monologue wasn't enough :'( WAAAAAHHH |
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| VAG---- LMFAOOOOOOOOOO |
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who_dat_ninja said: The first and last time i'll ever cry watching a man read text messages :( RIP Sasaki, i wanted you to live It is amazing how much they made me like Sasaki in only a few short episodes... |
| Rip isaburo. ahhh, who am i kidding, he probably survived somehow. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| I hope your email was received Isaburo... 10/10 |
| Omg square in the feels :( RIP Isaburo Sasaki!! |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| Damn, who would've known we'd eventually care for Isaburo so much. R.I.P. :( |
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| Lovd Gintoki's speech to the Shinsengumi and his comparison to Kondo. And Kondo was so badass here. Both his and Hijikata's expressions before cutting down Oboro were beautiful and awesome. I really thought Isaburo had managed to survive but of course not damn it. The whole death scene with the beautiful flashback of exchanging emails with his wife regarding his daughter's name was absolutely perfect. Him naming her Nobume and saying he believed in her while falling and Nobume screaming out his name was too heartbreaking. My tears just won't stop. Fuck that bastard Utsuro for killing him. And to think I didn't even like both Nobume and Isaburo when they first appeared. |
  I want to know what it is, this 'sin' they say I've committed. |
| OK, so Nobume wasnt the one who killed his family...thats good. This episode was extremely sad, Isaburo didnt deserve to have his family killed, or to be killed. he was a good man. |
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| Rest in Peace Sasaki. I never really hate him even before and this episode made it even more the reason why. |
| Noooo Isaburo!!!! That Vag*** name tho |
| They got us with Sasaki and Kondo faking their deaths. And then... Oh, Rest In Peace Sasaki. What a very emotional episode... |
| Damn the feels in the Ep. I hated Isaburo at first but now I just can't help but respect him. He was one of the best characters in Gintama and General. Sake won't stop coming. 11/10 Episode. Again, words can't do justice to how great this Ep was. Definitely one of my favourite. R.I.P Isaburo |
| Gintama has had its share of tragic stories, but damn if this isnt up there as one of the most tragic ones... Not only that, it also seems that in these last episodes Gintama is actually killing characters, even if they are not all that important, they are characters which have impacted the story at some point. Serious Gintama is serious man. |
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| "my email was finally delivered" :'( goodbye to the most elite character in gintama |
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| Ah man, who asked for this tearjerker of an episode. Shocked myself to death, I really thought for a second that Kondo-san died but I completely forgot about the pill. Sasaki really showed off his character in this arc. Truly made me like him even more and his real motive and the meaning behind his character. Such a beautiful character. Poor Nobume, how will she live with this.. Unlike the other seasons this will probably have an emotional ending.. An incredible episode. "Fight Shinsengumi" - Gin ''Girl of Faith'' - Nobume "My email was finally delivered" Sasaki |
   “You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!” ' |
| ugh I wasn't able to stop my tears ;---; sasaki :( |
| owkey |
| Too many feels ;_; |
| So, she failed to protect Sasaki's family instead. I see. Hmm, So Mukuro/Nobume became attached to Sasaki after she witnessed him deliberately sabotaging his mission to setup the Shinsengumi? Apart from that they didn't have any important interaction up until his family's assassination. I can't wrap my head around that. It's a writing issue IMO. Oh well, it was still presented well. He should've went with Vagina as his daughter's name. lmao. |
They did it again, they mae me shed tears for Isaburo :( Even tho i saw his death coming from afar it was still emotional especially with them showing that flashback and the meaning of the name Nobume. |
 「 To other people, I might not have changed at all, but I feel like I was able to change... 」 |
| So now it's Isaburo's death? Damn seriously he ended up being a good character and ended in a sad way, RIP |
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| Well... I don't really care about Sasaki or Nobume, so this episode was kinda meh for me. |
| Another one bites the dust........seems like the serious arcs are getting more serious now.....RIP Sasaki |
| Really tragic episode , Isaboro made a small yet very important sacrifice , seeing that surprise attack on Oboro and him getting put down was really awesome , Kondo has always been smarter than he looked . Lastly , I feel truly bad for Nobume , she lost a person that truly cared most for her , this episode is just amazing |
| not again man :((( sasaki delivering all the feels. what a king. but gin shouting TATAKAE SHINSENGUMI!! |
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| Why did you give me hope!! I was so happy when they got on the ship. It was an amazing scene even if I didn't want it to happen. Turns out she didn't kill Isaburo's wife back then which is why Utsuro said she betrayed him. Gintoki shouting that was badass. Kondo was just amazing this episode, again. And they managed to take out Oboro, at least for now. The naming flashback had a lot of feels in it which made me tear when the name "Nobume" showed. Amazing arc and now to see what's going to happen in the last episode. Mimawarigumi probably won't serve the Shogun anymore so I'm interested to see what's going to happen. |
Come on man,where is that Noragami season 3 masterpiece.We want it, Bones! |
| NOOOOOO this was going so well.. Gorilla was saved, everyone was almost out of there, whyyyyy this hurts :'(. Rip Isaburo the goat.. his mail was finally delivered :') |
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