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| Goddamnit dancing idols on the front lines is like the definition of macross I don't even know what you watched anymore. |
| cant wait to see the next macross when the music scene changes again |
Fai said: To be honest there's not a lot you can do with the idea of idol scene in terms of Macross. Macross always portrayed present day trends in music and the current japanese music scene is 100% crazy about idol groups. And Delta is pretty much the only feasible way I could see in transferring idol tropes into it. I think using an idol group in Delta was an excellent idea; my criticism lies in how they presented it. I still believe they could have done things in a different manner if they wished to, despite the current trends in Japan's anime/music industry, creativity is limitless after all. By the way, they've already introduced idol groups in Macross universe with the Playstation® game Macross VFX. I played the game years ago and I must say that they did a pretty good job with it. |
fst said: Goddamnit dancing idols on the front lines is like the definition of macross I don't even know what you watched anymore. since people here keeps telling me that macross 1982 was a series about teenaged vampire aliens looking for their parents who reach orgasm with music, im starting to ask this to myself but about idols on the frontline, i belive there is a bit of DIFFERENCE between a girl that sings inside a battleships that houses many refugees like her, and this: http://superversivesf.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/magical-girl-valkyrie.jpg i'll ask for the last time, stop getting so upset or your comments will probably be edited by moderators just like happened before with other people you have your opinion: this is not a change fine with me |
ZeroGApr 5, 2016 4:59 PM
| Watching it for the second time. Still gureeto daze, fuck the h8ers. |
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DJAzureSky said: fst said: Goddamnit dancing idols on the front lines is like the definition of macross I don't even know what you watched anymore. Yeah, this is confusing, he's basically saying the things that he doesn't like about Delta weren't present in SDF when... you are right, like you said my knoweldge of macross is not good enought i will look for idols that rides on the back of supersonic fighters in the original macross, along with orphan vampires and all the things you, Fai and fst said that are part of the franchise and did not changed when i will find them, i will admit i was wrong, promised ;) http://superversivesf.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/magical-girl-valkyrie.jpg |
ZeroGApr 5, 2016 5:12 PM
| Shit episode. Not enough Mirage. |
| Sieg Zeon! |
DJAzureSky said: QuattroVaginas said: Shit episode. Not enough Mirage. This is a sentiment I have half agree with. Mirage is looking to be really great, even though she's the worst pilot in Delta Squad. Shows that Piloting Skill isn't genetic :< Gotta give the Jenius time. |
| Sieg Zeon! |
| Right now I'm 2/3 through the original Macross, and haven't yet gotten over the unexpected tonal shift, from serious action drama with horrifying murderous giants, to said giants fangirling over j-pop and hoping to get their first kiss. I guess it works, but that massive contrast makes it one of the weirder shows I've watched. I've never seen anything else Macross, but judging by this thread, it seems humanity has come a long way in 34 years! |
DJAzureSky said: Nothing has changed though. Macross is still that show about love triangles, mecha that can transform into fighters, and music. Star Wars didn't change at all with the prequels; they have lightsabers, space battles, and the force! DEENight is just like the visual novel! It has servants, magic, and a grail war! The Mario Bros movie is just like the video game! It has plumbers, goombas, and jumping! |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
nDroae said: Right now I'm 2/3 through the original Macross, and haven't yet gotten over the unexpected tonal shift, from serious action drama with horrifying murderous giants, to said giants fangirling over j-pop and hoping to get their first kiss. I guess it works, but that massive contrast makes it one of the weirder shows I've watched. i am watching the original series (again) from beginning, i just finished the 2nd episode and was unable to find any vampire alien for now earthlings are losing, but im sure that soon an idol will ride on the back of a space fighter and save the day with a love song |
| I feel bad that I kind of think I'd enjoy watching that more. |
| JESUS, this was so bad. The CGI gave me cancer. Hopes it gets better. Even M Frontier (2007 btw) animation tecnlogy was better than this. |
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OmegaSiets said: DJAzureSky said: Nothing has changed though. Macross is still that show about love triangles, mecha that can transform into fighters, and music. Star Wars didn't change at all with the prequels; they have lightsabers, space battles, and the force! DEENight is just like the visual novel! It has servants, magic, and a grail war! The Mario Bros movie is just like the video game! It has plumbers, goombas, and jumping! k you gotta admit Star Wars really didn't change from the prequels. |
ZeroG said: nDroae said: Right now I'm 2/3 through the original Macross, and haven't yet gotten over the unexpected tonal shift, from serious action drama with horrifying murderous giants, to said giants fangirling over j-pop and hoping to get their first kiss. I guess it works, but that massive contrast makes it one of the weirder shows I've watched. i am watching the original series (again) from beginning, i just finished the 2nd episode and was unable to find any vampire alien for now earthlings are losing, but im sure that soon an idol will ride on the back of a space fighter and save the day with a love song I was not saying that Delta is what Macross was, or should be. I was saying that once I'd accepted the bizarreness of the original series, I felt like I could accept just about anything. And I think I was right; I just watched 16 minutes of Delta and was delighted. This should be a fun ride. Women riding airplanes: great 80 years ago, still great now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6xzyVY7EfU |
nDroaeApr 5, 2016 8:52 PM
| I actually enjoyed this more than I thought I would. The songs were pretty good and the characters were pretty likeable to me. Those dance moves though, lol. Fancy stuff. |
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r0ykun said: First time Macross watcher here, I understand that people are saying this is completely different from previous installments but damn that was a lot of fun. I'm really looking forward to this. Nobody except one or two elitists is saying it. Its in line with the rest of franchise. |
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private_eye said: Personally don't like the type of idols macross now represents. In my eyes the type of fans that like that sort of entertainment are no different then gambling addicts, they pour large amounts of money for rather small group they represent, by any means i don't mind them, but they are a handicap that original series did not have and unlike this one it could be liked by all those that found the story intriguing and this one just reminds of the showbussiness that involves underaged girls. Every Macross so far is styled pretty much as if it was a music video for specific eras. SDF Macross dealt with 70's music and anti-cold war movements like Woodstock and hippies. The music was message of peace and culture against utilitarian society and the deciding factor in adolescence and which side you end up supporting Macross 7 represented 80's hard rock/metal era, which was full of glam and "music is the power" kind of idea. That decade is full of music videos of bands battling things with their guitars, bands battling aliens or voice and music being commodity and power, with fear of music being commercialized looming as a ghost. Macross Frontier covered the Japan's pop era that started around 90's/00's. As befit of the tone of that, it is about inspiration and understanding and love, which are core lyrical themes of jpop. Macross Delta focuses concept of idols - groups of singers spreading love and supporting others. Idol genre is full of show elements and bombastic stage tricks. And the show reflects that. You MIGHT think the other cases are not "offensive" to people, but you would be wrong. A lot of people would find SDF Macross themes preachy because they find the same about the music it represents. Hell a lot of people criticize Macross 7 for being over-the top cheesefest. Most of those people would comment the same about heavy metal music videos. And POP scene, don't get me started on that. It gets a loot of hate as being "commercialized" and "soulless"(which kind of even is referenced in Sherryl's narrative) Every genre and musical period has people who dislike it. Idol genre is no different. In a perfect world, Delta would have at least some plot threads addressing the messier and darker aspect of idol craze over japan, but since Macross is very idealized setting, it won't be the main focus for sure. |
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| The fuck did I just watch? I mean, I watched Macross F(although it's been a while to the point where I don't remember it so well, mby I should rewatch...) but this went all the way into crazy "Let's cure a virus with Idol singing" territory. I won't say no to this over-the-topness though, so bring on the next ep! |
private_eye said: Choice of music was never the problem for me, heck i even kind of like this last song in this episode. The thing i can't get over is the very last sentence of yours and it just makes my stomach cringe. Justin beiber doesn't hurt me as much as the current idol industry of japan. Every music genre has it's dark sides. zetopazio said: The problem is not the idol music and groups, the problem is those idols flying around, The technology was already used in Macross Frontier. curing diseases Again, music affecting beings has been there since the show's inception. and kicking and punching enemy machines with the power of music, They never did anything like that. Literally the only role they had in actual fighting was creating audio visual distractions and managing shields to protect the civilians. ITs not like using a singer and her singing as a distraction was not used before. Like, oh I don't know as far as the first series. the power of music who went from a metaphorical thing to an actual super power. The power of music stopped being metaphorical after SDF already 40 years ago. Even then even in SDF Macross, while music was metaphorical, the power it held over the whole war was not. |
AhenshihaelApr 6, 2016 5:40 AM
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Fai said: Nobody except one or two elitists is saying it. Its in line with the rest of franchise. Actually we are more than one or two, and you should know this very well, since you argued with almost everyone that had this opinion since january Also, you keep saying that music have no real super powers but is all technology Then i whould like to have an explanation about a berserker zeltran cells that mutates back to normal after an idol enters in melee with his battlepod and sings for him I saw a very similar effect in code geass, but that was a series were super powers are part of the franchise from beginning |
Volkanon said: I like enough of what I saw to want to watch the older Macross anime. Quick question: is DYRL an adequate substitute for SDF if I want to get the references from the later series? Dyrl is the best references cause the sequels are in continuity with it and not with the TV series (that had some differences with the story) But is also different to macross delta on many aspects, and also includes some blood and violence |
Volkanon said: I like enough of what I saw to want to watch the older Macross anime. Quick question: is DYRL an adequate substitute for SDF if I want to get the references from the later series? Its a condensed and somewhat altered SDF story. Yes it is good enough for m ost part even if the series itself are great and far more indepth. Watching both would be the most optimal. Out of tv shows, the only really skippable is Macross7 since its kind of very whacky due to the music period of the time. . Also disregard what ZeroG said about being different. Every Macross is to a degree since they reflect upon the music industry in Japan at the time and the issues relevant to our world at the time. They still all have a lot of similarities and feel like same franchise. |
AhenshihaelApr 6, 2016 12:36 PM
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Volkanon said: I've been told Macross II is skippable as well. Am I wrong about that? Macross 2 was the first sequel made after macross But had a low budget and did not received permission to use characters from the original macross or their relatives As a result it was a sequel of 70 years after the first macross and not that good When macross plus and seven were made as a sequel, what was said in macross 2 about humanity future was scrapped |
ZeroGApr 6, 2016 2:54 PM
Volkanon said: Fai said: Its a condensed and somewhat altered SDF story. Yes it is good enough for m ost part even if the series itself are great and far more indepth. Watching both would be the most optimal. Out of tv shows, the only really skippable is Macross7 since its kind of very whacky due to the music period of the time. . Also disregard what ZeroG said about being different. Every Macross is to a degree since they reflect upon the music industry in Japan at the time and the issues relevant to our world at the time. They still all have a lot of similarities and feel like same franchise. If it's good enough for the most part, it's good enough for me. If I like what I see, I can always go back and watch SDF. I've been told Macross II is skippable as well. Am I wrong about that? I'm not too concerned about any differences in tone, since I'm a fan of Gundam too. If I can enjoy Gundam Seed and Gundam 0079, I think I'll be fine here. I am curious on which of you I'll end up agreeing with though. Yeah, most of non series stuff can mostly be skipped. in fact. Only SDF, DYRL, Zero, 7, Frontier and Delta are important ones. 7 can mostly be skipped. If we are to talk Gundam, Macross7 is basically G Gundam of Macross franchise. I am pretty sure creating it involved drugs, because yeah it can get very weird In retrospect Frontier is Seed. The basic order is: SDF/DYRL(interchangeably, both benefit from each other, as others mentioned DYRL is basically an in-universe movie retelling of SDF events)> Plus(a mini sequel OVA) Zero(prequel to SDF) > 7 (set 30 years after SDF) > Frontier (15 years after 7) SDF/DYRL/Plus deals with 70's music, woodstock movement, rise of electronic music elements, etc. 7 is 80's hard rock/heavy metal theme Frontier is based on the rise of JPOP in 00's Delta is the current idol group craze in japan. |
AhenshihaelApr 6, 2016 5:01 PM
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| Did I just heard Genos!? anywayz [gg] is back... 1/5. |
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| I need help as well. Can someone tell me how to get Ikenai Borderline out of my head? It's been more then a week... SEND HELP!!! |
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| I've watched most of Macross (haven't gotten myself to finish Macross 7 because I just hate Basara so much), and yeah, to me, the first episode seemed very much in the vein of the rest of the franchise. /might get things flung at her for poor taste, probably, because she has Macross Frontier listed among her fave anime. It is a rather guilty pleasure favourite, though. Anyway: I'm very glad that GG is subbing this. B))) And I'm also another victim of Koi! Halation THE WAR addiction. |
Niverdia said: I've watched most of Macross (haven't gotten myself to finish Macross 7 because I just hate Basara so much), and yeah, to me, the first episode seemed very much in the vein of the rest of the franchise. Can i ask a question? I swear i mean no disrespect or star another forum fight. I do hate Basara too, almost as much than the changes in the franchise introduced since Macross 7 If now i dislike this macross is also cause in my mind the nightmare of the super robot vf-19 controlled by a guitar with a dolby surround booster on his back and a human face keeps coming back. Then why, people that hates m-7 like me, appreciate so much delta? Main characters are much better than basara, ok But this music and sound superpowers, or the macross gun that's actually a rifle with a trigger, pulled by a one mile tall robot, are all legacies introduced in that nosense that was macross Seven. Macross F was a masterpiece, but had to keep macross seven elements for the continuity, and that was ... |
| At first I was really not into this but firstly when the enemy pilots showed up and started the dogfight with the others I started to warm up to it. Then with the last song I started to quiet enjoy the episode, the song was good it had a nice energy to it and there is something very entertaining about watching a dancing mecha kick the crap out of others. So I think I will carry on with this it might be quiet enjoyable. |
DragoonDeusApr 7, 2016 6:11 PM
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| Jesus christ... I already hated macross 7 (mainly because Basara, whenever he shouted "Ore no Uta wo Kike" i could have punched the screen), and thought they couldn't mess it up any more than that. And yet they managed to reach a new low. Im not sure where i lost it. When the Valkyries did a pose during the song. The magical girl transformation. The dude dancing with the containers. The glowing heart haired mc chick. Or the dance team holograms. @ZeroG You are right. Macross F was great, and i couldn't agree more about seven. This anime is seriously bad. It's almost on par with Sousei no Aquarion. A disgrace to the Mecha genre, and to the Macross brand. 3/10, The only positive aspect of the anime i can mention is the song. |
MysteriousBanana said: You're being disingenuous if you're insisting Delta's treatment isn't any different than the rest of the franchise (with the exception of 7). It's a different flavour to be sure, but fundamentally not so different that it's somehow "not macross" MysteriousBanana said: The only time previous idols got that close was when they were abducted or the enemy broke through the defenses, which is admittedly a really formulaic way of putting the female MC in a crisis so the male MC can display his skill and resolve to save her. Ok fine she's not right up in their faces but I'd say she's damn well close enough to the action, and with the canopy open no less. Any of them could have shot her if not for her backup... which is pretty much the same situation here. MysteriousBanana said: Delta tries to shake up this formula, which isn't bad in itself, but does so by removing all sense of sanity and self preservation from the idols. You make it sound like they just #YOLO'd into them, but they clearly knew what they where doing and had the situation under control, so I disagree that all sanity and self preservation was gone. |
DmonHiro said: But why would you want to?I need help as well. Can someone tell me how to get Ikenai Borderline out of my head? It's been more then a week... SEND HELP!!! GIRI GIRI EYE IKENAI BORDERLINE |
fst said: Ok fine she's not right up in their faces but I'd say she's damn well close enough to the action, and with the canopy open no less. Any of them could have shot her if not for her backup... which is pretty much the same situation here. really, this is getting overboard and crazy in that episode ranka offered as a volunteer cause zeltran troops were upset and asked for a live idol from beginning she was still a civilian, her role was just singing for troops she risked? sure but her friends were in danger, and she was pretty sure her presence would calm them there is a BIG difference between going in the back seat of a supersonic jet, and riding on the top of it during a battle there is a BIG difference between being able to sing with the canopy open while hovering, and NO one shoots at you, and singing while you run, jump, fight, dodge there is a BIG difference between being a underaged civilian singer and an underaged military singer that's ordered to enter close combat with those giants and cant refuse everytime anyone express a negative judgment over this side of macross you start to argue fai even said we were just one or two elitist, we actually are many why all that hate over an opinion? you cant tell the difference between this macross and the one of 30 years ago? fine, wanna wait? in few weeks we will see how much of this power is actually holo tech and how much is "as long i sing im physically stonger than a zeltran" honestly, if is all tech, let me say that the military is a criminal sending live underaged girls in close combat to zeltran while you could send androids identical to human? they could be cyborgs like the brother of ranka at least... we will see |
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