| How is it determined if something is filler? It has been generally accepted that if something wasn't in the manga and doesn't advance the plot then it's filler, but manga has filler too and that filler can be adapted. People seem to agree which episodes of Bleach are filler but people can't seem to agree what episodes of Shugo Chara! are filler. I've even seen a website that lists the entire second season of Black Butler as being filler. As a writer sometimes I'll write more than I need to in order to make the story feel more "complete" even if I'm not adding anything to the plot. Would the mangakas and anime studios even be honest about what parts are filler and why they felt that they were necessary? Would the endless eight in the anime be considered "filler" as they dragged it out a lot longer than it was in the source material? |
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| I consider anything that literally doesnt matter to the rest of the show to be filler basically. So for instance, the Mecha Naruto filler. Anything with something to do with the overall story though, such as the recent fillers, i consider to be more of half filler, because it has to do with what is going on, but doesnt really impact anything. |
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| there are multiple definitions for filler but filler can be objective, in the case it fits one or more of these definitions |
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romagia said: This.there are multiple definitions for filler but filler can be objective, in the case it fits one or more of these definitions |
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| All I can say is that it's unneccessary most of the time, even though some can benefit you with a little bit more insight to the series when it's real job is to stall for time or slow progression. The latter option is the one that gets on my nerves particularly. |
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| Nobody ever seems to agree whether or not filler is "not source material", or "unreleated to the main plot" . To give an example, none of Naruto manga(talking about manga is unavoidable inthis topic)was ever filler, it was awful, but source material. Madara vs Five Kages did not amount to anything in the grand scheme of things, but it was surely canon and in the manga. Another example, Davy Back Fight, aside from the hardly related Aokiji moment, nothing in the arc effected the main story 'at all'-but it's still canon because it was in the manga...and because One Piece is still an adventure series. Point I'm trying to make? This thread will never be able to draw one conclusion. |
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| It only becomes subjective when people think that those particular episodes are better than canon(which is true sometimes) or it shows some foreshadowing which in this case, is basically the viewer's imagination. Basically, it's obvious. |
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| Sword Art Online has a couple episodes I would definitely consider filler, though they are technically a part of the main LN release. Volume 2 of SAO is a collection of side stories taking place at the same time as volume 1, with the exception of Red Nosed Reindeer and Morning Dew Girl they can all almost be skipped without missing much plot. All the other stories just add pointless characters with no purpose apart from harem gathering and minor cameos later on, which don't even matter if you skipped because all you need to know is they're his friends. Murder in the Wall and Calibur from Volume 8 is also a side story compilation which can be skipped. |
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| Whether it's objective or subjective is totally subjective, but then again that is also my subjective opinion to which I have objective right, or that's what my subjective mind tells me is objective, for all I know it could be subjectively objective or objectively subjective. |
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KuroudoAkabane said: define filler That's the point of the thread 'is the definition of filler subjective or objective, if the latter, what is the objective definition of filler?" |
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| It's filler if it isn't in the source material. Thus not subjective. Filler isn't always a bad thing though. |
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| Bleach movie 1 is definitely canon so all the fillers can be considered canon. They flesh out the characters and all that. |
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| Sky Girls is a completely original anime series and people complained that half of it was filler in response to its slow pace. I've always defined filler as content that is not present in the original source. If it's an extra arc in Naruto, it's there to fill in time as they wait for more material to adapt. But with something such as Sky Girls, every single minute and frame is there for a reason, so applying the term filler makes no real sense. |
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| I don't give a fuck, best Ergo Proxy episode is the #16 "filler" episode. I want more fillers like that :3 |
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ichii_1 said: Bleach movie 1 is definitely canon so all the fillers can be considered canon. They flesh out the characters and all that. But |
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Jerkhov said: ichii_1 said: Bleach movie 1 is definitely canon so all the fillers can be considered canon. They flesh out the characters and all that. But it's canon because of the sole fact Sena is better than great majority of Bleach's characters. it must be canon. |
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| If I don't like it.. It's filler |
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| In the strictest sense, it refers to content added to make up for the fact that the manga isn't caught up to the anime. But around here at least, anything "boring" or "pointless" is filler. |
Jerkhov said: ichii_1 said: Bleach movie 1 is definitely canon so all the fillers can be considered canon. They flesh out the characters and all that. But However |
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| If the plot of a filler arc/episode adds to canon and doesn't effectively do nothing (for example, an arc centered on a minor character to give them some more characterization/personality), then it may as well not be filler, imo. |
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| if it does not add anything to the story and characters then the content is filler i do not care if the author wrote it |
| Filler for me is anything that wasn't a part of the original story if it's an adaptation but if it's "Anime original" it would be the episodes that basically take "A side trip to the main plot", there is good filler...but most of the time it's not good. |
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| Filler is something pointless that serves nothing to the story. Yes, manga can have this as well. FMA 2003's second half was non-canon, but it served the plot the anime had going, so I don't call that filler. But then again,... PoeticJustice said: It's all subjective |
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| I think it has to be objective, otherwise it degenerates into "anything I don't find exciting or entertaining enough = filler." |
| if using "Any anime original content not in the original source material" term. yes, it is objective. it can be proven by comparing it with original source. it's only have 2 condition: true or false. so it's fact and it's objective. if using "Something that can cut from the story without affecting it." term. No, it's subjective. maybe someone thinking that cutting it still make sense to him, but another people don't. except if it is considered make sense if cutting it by mayority. |
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| Filler is anything extra that contributes nothing. Filler isn't always episodes. It can be dialogue or scenes are just pointless. Literature is full of filler passages that can be chopped off easily. See also: Game of Thrones. |
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| I sort of get the impression that your original post OP is assuming that filler is inherently a negative thing, which is not really true. Really long running series often get flack for having way too much filler, but the mere existence of filler is not bad at all. Filler scenes often are some of the best ways to give some character development that might not be important to the overall plot, but helps the viewer/reader get to know the characters more, and grow more attached to them. So long as it's used responsibly and not overdone, filler content can be a great story telling tool. |
Mystifire said: I sort of get the impression that your original post OP is assuming that filler is inherently a negative thing, which is not really true. Really long running series often get flack for having way too much filler, but the mere existence of filler is not bad at all. Filler scenes often are some of the best ways to give some character development that might not be important to the overall plot, but helps the viewer/reader get to know the characters more, and grow more attached to them. So long as it's used responsibly and not overdone, filler content can be a great story telling tool. Then it's not filler. It has purpose. A scene doesn't have to point to the Big Conclusion to be meaningful. Scenes that show us the characters have a life outside the main story are necessary for development. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Mystifire said: I sort of get the impression that your original post OP is assuming that filler is inherently a negative thing, which is not really true. Really long running series often get flack for having way too much filler, but the mere existence of filler is not bad at all. Filler scenes often are some of the best ways to give some character development that might not be important to the overall plot, but helps the viewer/reader get to know the characters more, and grow more attached to them. So long as it's used responsibly and not overdone, filler content can be a great story telling tool. Then it's not filler. It has purpose. A scene doesn't have to point to the Big Conclusion to be meaningful. Scenes that show us the characters have a life outside the main story are necessary for development. That's not necessarily how everyone would define filler. I'm on the same page as you, don't get me wrong, but with the amount of people that seem to think filler is just anything that doesn't progress the main story, I still feel like it was worth saying. |
fst said: But around here at least, anything "boring" or "pointless" is filler. |
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