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Sep 23, 2014 11:01 AM
#1
| Why isn't there any big titles about girls doing shit like: playin' basketball, valleyball, swimming or even some fucking table tennis. Isn't it because of japanese men mentality and the fact that they don't want women be active and lead or maybe they think that no one's goning to watch it or what |
Sep 23, 2014 11:05 AM
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| surprising considering all the "bouncing" they could get away with |
Sep 23, 2014 11:08 AM
#4
| I sure wouldn't watch those. |
Sep 23, 2014 11:10 AM
#5
SSSadistic said: Exactly what you said. (And I think it would just make people mad because it is sort of impossible to make a show about sporting girls without fanservice (I wouldn't mind, but that's me))Isn't it because of japanese men mentality and the fact that they don't want women be active and lead or maybe they think that no one's goning to watch it or what |
Sep 23, 2014 11:10 AM
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Sep 23, 2014 11:10 AM
#7
| l once asked about sports anime with girls and they were or ecchi or with lolis |
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Sep 23, 2014 11:10 AM
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Sep 23, 2014 11:11 AM
#9
| Seriously, I need more Fault. Sports anime are mainly Shounen. Shounen are dominated by male characters, unless ecchi. Consider the demographic, and you'll see why it's not popular. |
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Sep 23, 2014 11:14 AM
#10
| My favorite sports anime is probably Chihayafuru, which has an (awesome) female lead (and she's not the only female). Ok, not your everyday sports, but its still a sport. http://myanimelist.net/anime/10800/Chihayafuru There's also Taishuu Yakyuu Musume, which is about girls forming a baseball club http://myanimelist.net/anime/5141/Taishou_Yakyuu_Musume. Bamboo Blade is about girls doing kendo http://myanimelist.net/anime/2986/Bamboo_Blade And there is more. |
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Sep 23, 2014 11:32 AM
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Sep 23, 2014 11:34 AM
#12
| We can see girls playing basketball even in Clannad xD |
Sep 23, 2014 11:42 AM
#13
| I was thinking about this the other day and really wish there was more sports anime centered around girls' teams. Maybe some'll come out in the future |
Sep 23, 2014 11:43 AM
#14
| Yawara was pretty big back then. Attack n°1 and Attacker you! were also quite popular. But those anime are older than 80% of the current fanbase at least. |
Sep 23, 2014 12:12 PM
#15
| Do you really think anyone cares about female sports unless the girls are hot? |
Sep 23, 2014 12:12 PM
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Sep 23, 2014 12:21 PM
#17
| like there are dozens of shows in western world showing women playing ? the usual rant against the japan and anime . there are good manga where girls play the sports and then there are some ecchi manga where girls play the sport seriously and then there are manga where fanservice is the only objective . What Business demands Publishers and anime studio do . same points can be raised against boys playing sports |
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Sep 23, 2014 12:49 PM
#18
| We do have womens basketball: http://myanimelist.net/anime/10572/Ro-Kyu-Bu! ^^ No but seriously - I would welcome it if they adapt some of the female centric sports titles like Beach Stars or Baggataway or even motherfucking Teppu. |
AsturaetusSep 23, 2014 12:53 PM
Sep 23, 2014 1:33 PM
#19
| there's also pretty rythm aurora dream about ice skating, and pretty much every anime about girls sports has been mentioned in this thread edit: did abit of searching and found a few more gems http://myanimelist.net/anime/1186/Battle_Athletess_Daiundoukai_%28TV%29 http://myanimelist.net/anime/10109/Softenni http://myanimelist.net/anime/19151/Walkure_Romanze Major123 said: hmm not sure wat u mean there are plenty u jst have to look lol 10 or so =/= plenty |
romagiaSep 23, 2014 1:38 PM
Sep 23, 2014 1:53 PM
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Sep 23, 2014 2:08 PM
#21
| Don't forget about Kaleido and based Bamboo Blade as well. xSanox said: volleyball: http://myanimelist.net/anime/1550/Attack_No.1 dakedo namida ga dechau... onna no ko damon!! |
Sep 23, 2014 3:43 PM
#22
Asturaetus said: We do have womens basketball: http://myanimelist.net/anime/10572/Ro-Kyu-Bu! ^^ It's strange that this is happening again just like in the other thread sometime ago, but anyway...: Those are not women. Oh, and there's Ginban Kaleidoscope (has it been mentioned already?). It's from 2005, though. When I saw some official art of the anime and novel or manga, in some pictures, the female characters seemed to have been drawn for males, but I think that's all that one could have considered fanservice. If we're talking about appealing art, I think it was on MMPPP's level (although actually made for girls, some agree that at least the anime's female characters tended to have been created with male viewers in mind). |
Sep 23, 2014 3:50 PM
#23
| I know this is a troll post but I laughed a lot |
Sep 23, 2014 4:14 PM
#24
| Yeah, pretty much what others said. If there was a female sports anime created in this year or so, it will probably be used as fanservice or loliservice. There's more created in the past, so you can just check those out. Face_Faith said: Oh, and there's Ginban Kaleidoscope (has it been mentioned already?). It's from 2005, though. When I saw some official art of the anime and novel or manga, in some pictures, the female characters seemed to have been drawn for males, but I think that's all that one could have considered fanservice. If we're talking about appealing art, I think it was on MMPPP's level (although actually made for girls, some agree that at least the anime's female characters tended to have been created with male viewers in mind). It was a shoujo series mainly, with a tiny sports aspect and it doesn't has the same feel as the other sports anime. |
Sep 23, 2014 5:14 PM
#25
SSSadistic said: Why isn't there any big titles about girls doing shit like: playin' basketball, valleyball, swimming or even some fucking table tennis. Isn't it because of japanese men mentality and the fact that they don't want women be active and lead or maybe they think that no one's goning to watch it or what ur a genius |
Sep 23, 2014 5:20 PM
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Sep 23, 2014 6:36 PM
#27
SSSadistic said: Why isn't there any big titles about girls doing shit like: playin' basketball, valleyball, swimming or even some fucking table tennis. Isn't it because of japanese men mentality and the fact that they don't want women be active and lead or maybe they think that no one's goning to watch it or what You sounds a bit ignorant. Japan has rather higher ratio of women playing sports compared with US or England as far as I have heard from ALT friends in Japan mainly because most students belong to sports culb activities Anime has more male audience and great majority of big titles(mainstream/daytime anime) come from big shonen magazines such as WSJ,WSM,WSS so of course majority of protagonist of those manga are male because those are shonen magazines. If you don't like male protagonist, then you should read shoujo manga or moe manga from otaku-oriented magazine such as dengeki daioh,manga time kirara |
umashikanekoSep 23, 2014 6:44 PM
Sep 23, 2014 7:14 PM
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Sep 23, 2014 8:39 PM
#29
Raito said: I'd love a proper sports anime with an all-anime cast. However sports anime with male leads really appeal to Fujoishis, which give these anime really high sales. Sports anime with male leads (like Major, Cross Game, Hajime no Ippo) also appeal to males and not to girls at all. lol I'd be interested in more anime that have strong females and males like Chihayafuru, Kuroko no Basuke (even though males > females in ratio) and hell, even Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki which isn't a sports but does great balancing females and males. |
Sep 23, 2014 10:49 PM
#30
| Because by today's codes of moe, girls have to be clumsy, dominated, dependant, physically weak and mentally limited, which is incompatible with sports. The concept of enterprising, successful woman does not appeal to otaku there. That's why most examples are from the past : Hikari no Densetsu, Ace wo Nerae, Attacker You, Yawara! |
Sep 23, 2014 11:18 PM
#31
Okiura said: Because by today's codes of moe, girls have to be clumsy, dominated, dependant, physically weak and mentally limited, which is incompatible with sports. The concept of enterprising, successful woman does not appeal to otaku there. That's why most examples are from the past : Hikari no Densetsu, Ace wo Nerae, Attacker You, Yawara! Well, actually the opposite is true. If you limit anime as otaku anime (lets define Late night anime that adapted from LN,VN,original,non-mainstream manga magazine as otaku anime here) then I can name more anime that have female characters play sports than male counter part.Very few otaku anime deal with sports anime that male character doing sports |
Sep 24, 2014 1:52 AM
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mayukachan said: it's not like there was more than one per year in the past either; i'd say even lessYeah, pretty much what others said. If there was a female sports anime created in this year or so, it will probably be used as fanservice or loliservice. There's more created in the past, so you can just check those out |
Sep 24, 2014 2:04 AM
#33
| Sports Anime is already a niche genre to bring with, as most Anime series is clearly a hit or miss. Sports Manga and other literature does better, but the problem still lies with the fact that males and females in Anime have their own domains to frolic in. Being the small genre Sports is, female leads is probably just as tiny. Obviously seeing the two at once isn't going to be common. There are examples of this rare phenomenon like the ones mentioned by some of the people in this thread. |
Sep 24, 2014 11:29 AM
#34
mayukachan said: Face_Faith said: Oh, and there's Ginban Kaleidoscope (has it been mentioned already?). It's from 2005, though. When I saw some official art of the anime and novel or manga, in some pictures, the female characters seemed to have been drawn for males, but I think that's all that one could have considered fanservice. If we're talking about appealing art, I think it was on MMPPP's level (although actually made for girls, some agree that at least the anime's female characters tended to have been created with male viewers in mind). It was a shoujo series mainly, with a tiny sports aspect and it doesn't has the same feel as the other sports anime. :O Even if it's just "tiny", it was an anime featuring female characters doing sports... I'm not sure if it can be called "shoujo" though because anime aren't divided like manga, but whether it's for girls or anyone else is unrelated to this topic unless I misunderstood something... umashikaneko said: Okiura said: Because by today's codes of moe, girls have to be clumsy, dominated, dependant, physically weak and mentally limited, which is incompatible with sports. The concept of enterprising, successful woman does not appeal to otaku there. That's why most examples are from the past : Hikari no Densetsu, Ace wo Nerae, Attacker You, Yawara! Well, actually the opposite is true. If you limit anime as otaku anime (lets define Late night anime that adapted from LN,VN,original,non-mainstream manga magazine as otaku anime here) then I can name more anime that have female characters play sports than male counter part.Very few otaku anime deal with sports anime that male character doing sports So basically you mean to say that if we differentiate between average and late night anime (and thus casual watchers and otaku), then most sports anime would be watched by casual watchers ("average anime") or at least not by otaku (late night anime)? And if we only consider late night anime, female characters in sports anime would outnumber the male ones, right? :O I'm not sure if I understood where the percentage is higher, but independent of that, I don't see a contradiction with the quote, unless the female characters in these (sports) anime are not weak and all that which has been mentioned above... Okiura said: Because by today's codes of moe, girls have to be clumsy, dominated, dependant, physically weak and mentally limited, which is incompatible with sports. The concept of enterprising, successful woman does not appeal to otaku there. Unless they're "badass" or tsundere and beating a male character or something~ Edit: Now that I think about it, if there were more sports anime with female characters, maybe there would be more female short-haired characters! <3 Or could exactly this be the reason for why there are so few... OTL |
Face_FaithSep 24, 2014 11:33 AM
Sep 24, 2014 11:46 AM
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Sep 24, 2014 11:53 AM
#37
Face_Faith said: But long hair looks good on girls.Okiura said: Because by today's codes of moe, girls have to be clumsy, dominated, dependant, physically weak and mentally limited, which is incompatible with sports. The concept of enterprising, successful woman does not appeal to otaku there. Unless they're "badass" or tsundere and beating a male character or something~ Edit: Now that I think about it, if there were more sports anime with female characters, maybe there would be more female short-haired characters! <3 Or could exactly this be the reason for why there are so few... OTL |
Sep 24, 2014 11:57 AM
#38
Milk_is_Special said: Face_Faith said: But long hair looks good on girls.Okiura said: Because by today's codes of moe, girls have to be clumsy, dominated, dependant, physically weak and mentally limited, which is incompatible with sports. The concept of enterprising, successful woman does not appeal to otaku there. Unless they're "badass" or tsundere and beating a male character or something~ Edit: Now that I think about it, if there were more sports anime with female characters, maybe there would be more female short-haired characters! <3 Or could exactly this be the reason for why there are so few... OTL They could just use hair ties |
Sep 24, 2014 11:59 AM
#39
Zeally said: no one mentioned Cross Game? But the whole point was that she couldn't play. |
Sep 24, 2014 12:08 PM
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SetsukoHara said: Zeally said: no one mentioned Cross Game? But the whole point was that she couldn't play. She did have an opportunity to play in a national woman's league. Of course she can't play with the dudes. Females just don't have the physique to throw 90+ mph heaters, but her pitching mechanics were better than most males in that show. |
Sep 24, 2014 12:09 PM
#41
| There are plenty of big, popular titles with female leads. Not sure about sports ones, though but I don't watch sports anime in general. |
Sep 24, 2014 12:10 PM
#42
| Face-faith Sorry I can't fully understand What you want to say because of my English skill What i wanted to say was that manga from general manga magazines have always had plotagonists of same gender as target audience traditionally most of the times maybe 19 out of 20. While modern otaku culture such as moe manga magazines,light novel(there have been LN for a longtime but LN have changed much after late night anime era so I would Call modern otaku culture),BL have much higher ratio of plotagonists who are opposite gender or harem(actually many shoujo manga have harem though) So blaming modern otaku culture for having less female plotagonists that play sports in male-oriented medium sounds wrong for me |
umashikanekoSep 24, 2014 12:26 PM
Sep 24, 2014 12:15 PM
#43
umashikaneko said: Your English is almost perfect man, don't think you're bad at it. The way you wrote the above is actually really good English.Sorry I can't fully understand What you want to say because of my English skill What i wanted to say was that manga from general manga magazines have always had plotagonists of same gender as target audience traditionally most of the times maybe 19 out of 20. While modern otaku culture such as moe manga magazines,light novel(there have been LN for a longtime but LN have changed much after late night anime era so I would Call modern otaku culture),BL have much higher ratio of plotagonists who are opposite gender or harem(actually many shoujo manga have harem though) So blaming modern otaku culture for having less female plotagonists that play sports in male-oriented medium sounds wrong for me |
Sep 24, 2014 12:38 PM
#44
umashikaneko said: Sorry I can't fully understand What you want to say because of my English skill What i wanted to say was that manga from general manga magazines have always had plotagonists of same gender as target audience traditionally most of the times maybe 19 out of 20. While modern otaku culture such as moe manga magazines,light novel(there have been LN for a longtime but LN have changed much after late night anime era so I would Call modern otaku culture),BL have much higher ratio of plotagonists who are opposite gender or harem(actually many shoujo manga have harem though) So blaming modern otaku culture for having less female plotagonists that play sports in male-oriented medium sounds wrong for me I don't blame otaku-culture but japanese men for being douchebags for not making good shows about normal, like for real, girls doing sports so I could watch it and sympathize. I've seen a very few anime where main female characters were actually humans and not just some fucking perverted conception of women. |
Sep 24, 2014 12:48 PM
#45
Milk_is_Special said: umashikaneko said: Your English is almost perfect man, don't think you're bad at it. The way you wrote the above is actually really good English.Sorry I can't fully understand What you want to say because of my English skill What i wanted to say was that manga from general manga magazines have always had plotagonists of same gender as target audience traditionally most of the times maybe 19 out of 20. While modern otaku culture such as moe manga magazines,light novel(there have been LN for a longtime but LN have changed much after late night anime era so I would Call modern otaku culture),BL have much higher ratio of plotagonists who are opposite gender or harem(actually many shoujo manga have harem though) So blaming modern otaku culture for having less female plotagonists that play sports in male-oriented medium sounds wrong for me Ok thanks. |
Sep 24, 2014 12:55 PM
#46
| http://myanimelist.net/anime/3081/Attacker_You! if you want some voleyball sh*t I loved to watch this as a kid. Not too successful in Japan iirc but in France lots of people know about it. edit: looked around for a bit it seems there might be a connection with Attack n°1? |
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Sep 24, 2014 12:57 PM
#47
SSSadistic said: umashikaneko said: Sorry I can't fully understand What you want to say because of my English skill What i wanted to say was that manga from general manga magazines have always had plotagonists of same gender as target audience traditionally most of the times maybe 19 out of 20. While modern otaku culture such as moe manga magazines,light novel(there have been LN for a longtime but LN have changed much after late night anime era so I would Call modern otaku culture),BL have much higher ratio of plotagonists who are opposite gender or harem(actually many shoujo manga have harem though) So blaming modern otaku culture for having less female plotagonists that play sports in male-oriented medium sounds wrong for me I don't blame otaku-culture but japanese men for being douchebags for not making good shows about normal, like for real, girls doing sports so I could watch it and sympathize. I've seen a very few anime where main female characters were actually humans and not just some fucking perverted conception of women. TThat was not reply for you,actually If you want female characters play sports other than otaku oriented moe Manga or harem LN then you should look for shoujo Manga,because most men can relate themself with male plotagonists regardless of genre so of course almost always plotagonists are male in shonen magazines |
Sep 24, 2014 1:05 PM
#48
Sapewloth said: edit: looked around for a bit it seems there might be a connection with Attack n°1? Apparently, it's the European versions that created that link. |
Sep 24, 2014 1:08 PM
#49
Milk_is_Special said: SSSadistic said: Exactly what you said.Isn't it because of japanese men mentality and the fact that they don't want women be active and lead or maybe they think that no one's goning to watch it or what That's pretty ignorant and baseless. |
Sep 24, 2014 1:19 PM
#50
SSSadistic said: Isn't it because of japanese men mentality and the fact that they don't want women be active and lead or maybe they think that no one's goning to watch it or what How do you even come to that type of conclusion???? |
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