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Aug 2, 2014 9:16 AM

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Wow. Sailor Mar's transformation was a million times better than the others. That was just straight up badass!

I got goosebumps this entire episode. It was great to see Rei and Usagi getting along so well. I can't wait for Jupiter to show up.
Aug 2, 2014 9:16 AM

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amare135 said:
There isn't gonna be any filler,


Yeah that's quiet possible, like I stated in my first post. About the rest, well... It could be what I wrote earlier too, but showed in flashbacks like Fai wrote
. And at almost the End of the Act these could be explained deeper
.

And please, try to not spoil here. Use the spoiler option, even if it's only speculation. We got people here, that are new to SM Universe. Respect them too.
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Raff said:
amare135 said:
There isn't gonna be any filler, if he isn't dead already he'll die next episode because it makes no sense to follow the manga chapter by chapter if they won't kill him.


Yeah that's quiet possible, like I stated in my first post. About the rest, well... It could be what I wrote earlier too, but showed in flashbacks like Fai wrote
. And at almost the End of the Act these could be explained deeper
.

And please, try to not spoil here. Use the spoiler option, even if it's only speculation. We got people here, that are new to SM Universe. Respect them too.


THen why
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This episode was awesome ^^. I laughed at the part when luna's wondering why she transformed into a flight attendant T_T;. I was wondering that also ^^. I think Usagi is just having too much fun with that pen ;D. And how come other people don't realize sailor moon is Usagi like Rei did?? >.>; that transformation really doesn't do a good job at disguising anything xD. I love Rei's transformation. It looked really beautiful.


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Well it's official. If Mamoru didn't know about Usagi's secret before he definitely does now. Just like his previous counter-part he always seems to close by whenever Usagi's around.


Do u mean when tuxedo mask saw usagi transform into a....super useful flight attendant T_T;. I don't think Mamoru would know from that ^^ doesn't Tuxedo mask and mamoru have separate memories (for now).
Aug 2, 2014 9:27 AM
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I just checked 3rd chapter of manga.

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KP4 said:

Do u mean when tuxedo mask saw usagi transform into a....super useful flight attendant T_T;. I don't think Mamoru would know from that ^^ doesn't Tuxedo mask and mamoru have separate memories (for now).


That was anime original bullshit in previous anime. Considering in his very first introduction scene he mentioned the Crystal, its quite clear that, unless TOEI fucks up like in this episode, the whole separate-identity filler won't happen.
Aug 2, 2014 9:28 AM
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Rei is pretty good looking, especially in her Miko outfit! Her transformation is nice as well! Best Sailor Guardian so far. (^^)

Jadeite's underestimation of the Sailor Guardian became the end for him. Battle was quite short but not bad. 1 down, 3 to go.

Good episode. Still yet to see what Tuxedo Mask is capable of.

Aug 2, 2014 9:29 AM

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Fai said:
^nobody cares about that.


I'll just keep hope that it was just VERY BADLY CENSORED death and wait for next episode. If he is alive next episode Ill do what is right and stop watching this bullshit.


Don't hold much hope on that myself. It made the teleporting sound when he started to burn. And I'm pretty sure we saw a glimpse of him in the preview.

... /sigh
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KP4 said:
Do u mean when tuxedo mask saw usagi transform into a....super useful flight attendant T_T;. I don't think Mamoru would know from that ^^ doesn't Tuxedo mask and mamoru have separate memories (for now).
True, but I'm pretty sure he did hear Luna talk this time and if he ever sees Luna with Sailor Moon I'm sure he can easily put two and two together.

I'm not sure if his memories of Tuxedo Mask and Mamoru are different in the manga since I haven't read it. Maybe someone else can shed light on that. I believe that was the case in the original series up until halfway.
Aug 2, 2014 9:30 AM

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I kept laughing at Rei's derpy face through the episode, they really shoulda fixed that.
The transform scene wasn't as good as Ami's, but I liked the music.

Overall a nice episode I suppose. I especially liked Rei's VA.
Aug 2, 2014 9:31 AM

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All of the preview is from scenes of previous episodes though, notfrom 4th.

I am still hoping, but prepared forthe bullshit to continue...
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Aug 2, 2014 9:33 AM

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I liked this episode. Usagi had some cute cat smiles and more expressions, and I wasn't majorly disturbed by animation flaws.Yay, Ami didn't have disproportionate eyes! Good job, animators!

I'm thinking Jadeite's death scene was just censored, which is a dumb decision. Either that or the animators or director couldn't find a way to illustrate his one-panel death. Meh. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me, so I'm just going to leave it at that.


Tee hee, Mamoru was looking SUPER good this episode. Yes.

Mars' transformation was great. Let's hope the anime keeps on improving from here on out.
Aug 2, 2014 9:36 AM

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That's the straw I am grasping to too.

TOEI obviously does not have the balls to animate this franchise's deaths in true-to-manga gory ways - it is proved by the previous episode when Usagi did NOT cut off the monster's head.

I am sure as hell hopingthat this was a cheap-outsourced version of
since they do not have the balls to show it fully.
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Jadeite: Onore, Sailor Mars! - translated: Rascal, Sailor Mars!

When it should be something like: Damn you, Sailor Mars!

Even sentences seem censored, so he probably is dead.

Once more, it's Toei.

My advice as someone who didn't read manga for those who have, if you want to enjoy this, try as much as you can to forget about source material, and try to watch it without any expectations, even though that's probably hard for many people.

One nice quote: Experience has taught me that wishful thinking only leads to disappointment.
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True, but I'm pretty sure he did hear Luna talk this time and if he ever sees Luna with Sailor Moon I'm sure he can easily put two and two together.

I'm not sure if his memories of Tuxedo Mask and Mamoru are different in the manga since I haven't read it. Maybe someone else can shed light on that. I believe that was the case in the original series up until halfway.


Haha true ;_; luna did a nice job pretending to be normal after >.>; but it's not ganna fool mamoru ^_^. How could he stay so silent the whole time when a cat is talking next to him xD. Also >.>; I didn't know he wore glasses ^^ he looked nice.

According to Fai (quoted below) it seems like that was just an anime thing ^^. That's pretty interesting if there is no separate identity thing. I wonder how it will play off.

Fai said:

That was anime original bullshit in previous anime. Considering in his very first introduction scene he mentioned the Crystal, its quite clear that, unless TOEI fucks up like in this episode, the whole separate-identity filler won't happen.
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Jadeite: Onore, Sailor Mars! - translated: Rascal, Sailor Mars!

When it should be something like: Damn you, Sailor Mars!

Even sentences seem censored, so he probably is dead.

Once more, it's Toei.


Well, that's a mistranslation. No idea, why they did it. Besides that, if One Piece rated PG-13 has blood and death scenes, they why not SMC, if it's rated the same? Maybe... the genre makes here a differences and Toei thought 'If it's a shoujo, then we won't show that ugly and gory crap.' <- My God why <_<
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Well, that too, if young girls are targeted viewers (even though everyone knows boys watch it too), it would be bad for Toei to show it like in manga.

I love some their things, but Toei is shitty by default, so I try not to expect too much, and just enjoy Crystal without comparing it with source material, or 90s anime.

It's too late now, but I'm pretty sure it would be much better it studio like Shaft did adaptation considering how they did good job with Madoka series, and director was someone like Kunihiko Ikuhara, or Akiyuki Shinbo.

Anyway, I decided, I'm leaving Crystal aside until all Blu-ray rips are available, it should make anime better at least to some degree.

I will however still post for first three episodes.
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Aug 2, 2014 10:17 AM

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The episode was pretty meh, to be honest. I didn't think they managed to carry over the same emotion from the scenes in the manga into this episode, and I was really disappointed the bus scene with Usagi and Mamoru wasn't nearly as cute and funny as in the manga. Also, Rei was pretty lackluster and didn't leave any big impact on me.

I would give it a 3/5, but since the animation is just becoming more and more hideous with every episode, I'm lowering it to a 2/5. Toei needs to step up their game.


Aug 2, 2014 10:42 AM
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Sailor Mars got a big art improvement.

Old Sailor Mars



New Sailor Mars




I found her transformation pretty good. I hope her character stays serious since she already gives that serious type aura. I honestly thought she was a high school student because, one she's tall, and since this show has better art than the original show some of the characters look older.


I found it also interesting that they showed the other villains as well.

3 down, 2 to go. I'm wondering when Sailor Jupiter will make her debut as well as Sailor Venus.


One thing that I'm curious about is why Sailor Mercury has water type powers since Mercury is very close to the sun, therefore shouldn't Mercury have like fire type powers. Did the writers choose the powers the girls would get based on their personalities?

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13 year old girls could care less about the way something is adapted as long as it looks nice.
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This isn't targeted at young girls, it's targeted at young women, which is the reason why they aren't putting a lot of effort into it and it isn't airing on TV.
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amare135 said:
This isn't targeted at young girls, it's targeted at young women, which is the reason why they aren't putting a lot of effort into it and it isn't airing on TV.


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One thing that I'm curious about is why Sailor Mercury has water type powers since Mercury is very close to the sun, therefore shouldn't Mercury have like fire type powers. Did the writers choose the powers the girls would get based on their personalities?


That's easy, really. In Japanese the planet Mercury is called 水星 (suisei) which literally means 'water star'. =)

Also:
Mars - 火星 (kasei) - fire star
Jupiter - 木星 (mokusei) - tree star
Venus - 金星 (kinsei) - gold star
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For a story with 20 years already it's still a good anime, impressive.

Good episode.
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amare135 said:
This isn't targeted at young girls, it's targeted at young women, which is the reason why they aren't putting a lot of effort into it and it isn't airing on TV.
Excuse me, how old are young women supposed to be?
In Croatia, we usually call women between 20 and 25 years that.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure, since it's Toei, that this is primarily for girls who watch Precure series, and they're usually up to 13 -15 years old, rarely older.
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Tee hee, Mamoru was looking SUPER good this episode. Yes.

♥MeganeMeganeMeganeMeganeMeganeMeganeMeganeMeganeMeganeMeganeMegane♥


I'm ok with this episode, wasn't too derpy.

I think Jedite scaped, why would he be chopped up like that?
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amare135 said:
This isn't targeted at young girls, it's targeted at young women, which is the reason why they aren't putting a lot of effort into it and it isn't airing on TV.
Excuse me, how old are young women supposed to be?
In Croatia, we usually call women between 20 and 25 years that.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure, since it's Toei, that this is primarily for girls who watch Precure series, and they're usually up to 13 -15 years old, rarely older.
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TOEI outright stated that its for young women who grew up with previous show.

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I think Jedite scaped, why would he be chopped up like that?

Because thats where he HAS TO DIE.
Aug 2, 2014 11:10 AM

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Cremilin said:

I think Jedite scaped, why would he be chopped up like that?

Fai said:
Because thats where he HAS TO DIE.


Then he died there? the anime wasn't too clear on that, he just disappeared.
Aug 2, 2014 11:28 AM

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Does anyone know if the author is involved with the anime? :O
I mean one of the four kings dying that easily was stupid maybe she's tweaking the story a bit :(

Oh so this is where the word "ass pull" originated from XD Luna suddenly taking out items out of nowhere hahaha ;)
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Fai said:
Nissandwich said:

I'm thinking Jadeite's death scene was just censored, which is a dumb decision. Either that or the animators or director couldn't find a way to illustrate his one-panel death. Meh. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me, so I'm just going to leave it at that.


That's the straw I am grasping to too.

TOEI obviously does not have the balls to animate this franchise's deaths in true-to-manga gory ways - it is proved by the previous episode when Usagi did NOT cut off the monster's head.

I am sure as hell hopingthat this was a cheap-outsourced version of "burns to a crisp"cliche since they do not have the balls to show it fully.

Have you ever think about some interesting twist with a romance with the generals and the guardians. They can let him live for a while, building up his character more,
:P Not happy romantic stories, but twisted and sad ones without a happy ending.
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The animation artwork looks more and more derpy with each episode. Toei, I thought you simplified the models and made the slicker in order to AVOID this!
Still a flimsy plot, if it took itself more light hearted it would be better, but that is unfortunately not the focus here. The "Demon Bus" build up was also irksome. However once Jedite made his move on Rei and things got going, it became OK.

Spectacle time! OH MY THE BEST TRANSFORMATION SEQUENCE EVERRR!!! THE PHOENIX THE FLAMES, THE PASSION, EVEN THE PLANET, PERFECTION!
I expected more from Rei's battle aura, but hey, kick ass girls!

5/5 Just for the henshiservice :') I've always loved Rei's henshi the most.
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Enjoyable episode and Sailor Mars transformation is amazing! But damn what the fuck is up with everyone's eyes? The art is so full of derp at times every screen shot is cringe inducing.
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Rina Satou is perfect as Rei! Rei's transformation is definitely the best so far, and the animation looked really good this time. Good episode! I just wish we didn't have to wait every 1st and 3rd Saturday for new episodes..
Aug 2, 2014 12:35 PM

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Loved this episode. I can definitely feel the show starting to get its legs underneath itself and building real momentum/progression now. And you can never ever have enough Rei. As always, it's going to be a brutal two weeks until the next episode.
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Mars has the best transformation so far and she also looks a lot more mature and beautiful in this version. Too bad with the derp faces though. The directing in this episode is also incredibly choppy and scenes just kept jumping here and there.

It's such a shame that such an iconic anime is getting a flimsy adaption that's worse than a standard 2-cour anime.
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Mod Note: This post contains extensive discussion and response to previous statements that have since been spoiler tagged. Unfortunately, in order to respond to said posts the poster has had to introduce further spoilers from the manga.
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Fai said:

Not to mention Rei being an asexual who has no interest in romances or relationships was one of keypoints of manga and THAT would ruin it.


Fai said:

I have no interest in present Rei(WHO SHOULD BE ASEXUAL) angsting over present-Jadeite and vice-versa.


For someone who claims to be such a "manga fan" you're clearly getting something VERY wrong here.

Rei is NOT and has NEVER BEEN asexual.

Unless you'd like to completely discount all of Casablanca Memory.



Let me be clear here: I am a huge fan of manga Rei. I greatly prefer manga Rei over the original anime Rei. But do not foist your own opinions about her sexuality on her character when they clearly do not match previously established manga canon.

I am not going to argue about the nuance of "asexuality" or see this devolve into a terminology argument, but the fact is that Rei is not asexual in the manga. She has trust issues where it pertains to men, which leads her to not having any significant romantic interests during the primary storyline. I see no problem with this, and I agree that adding a romantic sub-plot for her would be absurd and contrary to her character (though not because of a mistaken belief that she is asexual, but rather that it is through her relationships with the other girls and learning how to open up and experience intimacy with other human beings allows her to grow as a person).

Also, if you recall in Stars,


As far as the concept art depicting the pairings, I think Naoko should have ultimate say in whether or not things that are not explicitly in the manga get added to the storyline. If she's decided that making the relationships between the Senshi/Shittenou should be more solidified then more power to her. But we have no way of knowing if that's the case, if the showrunner is taking liberties, or if it was just a little easter egg combined with a heavily censored death scene. Honestly, I wouldn't get so worked up about it.

tl;dr
You can rant and complain all you like, but I'd greatly prefer if you stuck to the facts. Rei is not asexual. Don't play word or terminology games with it. She's expressed attraction before and it's canon.
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Love Reis portrayal and I love the OP more and more with each episode :)
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Not a bad episode. Definitely prefer the Mars transformation sequence of the three so far. The fire is very well done, and it doesn't focus so hard on the weird CGI proportions. Also glad that we're not getting "full" transformation sequences anymore -- I hope that means they'll only get shorter, or even instantaneous.

Plot was decent, though I found the pacing a little stilted. I feel like we got more background and understanding with Ami's introduction than we got with Rei. More emphasis on her isolation and the fact that people find her weird would have maybe worked in their favor. (As it was, the scenes with the "moms" felt forced rather than integral to the story itself.)

Again, the sloppy animation and weird proportions are getting ridiculous and bizarre. This show is already a year later than they promised, and yet it looks like they threw it together in someone's basement at the last minute. Making up for poorly done scenes with really pretty or well done ones isn't going to cut it. This isn't a thing of "averages" -- where you can make up for the bad with the good. We're going to see both, and it only makes it look more disjointed and irregular.

I mean, look at her arms in this scene. What exactly is going on with her hands? I have no idea.


Her legs. What. The. I. Don't. Even. The whole scene where she's doing her post-transformation posing/posturing is just freakish in the anatomical errors.


(Apologies if photos don't work, new to the "posting photos on forum" thing.)

Now this was leaving out the many times characters eyes do not match up or are not in the right place on their faces (Picasso, anyone?). This happens to pretty much everyone with any significant screen time, even Jadeite. Honestly, the production quality is just so poor it's hard to see past it. This isn't a show that was "rushed" by any stretch of the word and to see such shoddy work is just extremely disappointing. You can watch ANY new show this season and see better work.

But of course I'll keep coming back for more. I love SM too much to even allow the hot mess Toei is churning out to deter me.
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For a series that was announced 2 years ago, and is biweekly, this is really unacceptable.

Definetely waiting for Blu-ray rips.
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^Thank you to the previous posters who have posted examples of the janky art and proportions.

Rei's transformation scene was decent enough, but besides that, the production values are all over the place. Come the fuck on, Toei. It's only two episodes per month! Get it together.
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The faces are getting worse and worse each episode. What will we get at the end of the season? Stick figures? Oh wait, they're already sticks.
Rei's transformation was okay though, the best one so far. Maybe it's because fire is hard to ruin in 3d.
Aug 2, 2014 2:53 PM
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DAFUQ is this animation quality?? You get this SHIT quality for something that comes out BIWEEKLY? WTF?

Saint Seiya Omega all over again except Omega at least was a separate story. This is a remake so this is extremely unacceptable.

I cannot express my anger further. As for the differences between the manga and this adaptation, #@$!%!$%%#$^%$%^#$%^
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Rei is the best! <3

Her transformation blows the classic one away by far while still keeping the major classic elements.

New:


Classic:


I totally forgot about that "6:00" bus. This episode literally is the redo of classic's episode 10, except for Jadeite doing the actual kidnapping this time around.
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Her legs. What. The. I. Don't. Even. The whole scene where she's doing her post-transformation posing/posturing is just freakish in the anatomical errors.


I was wondering for a while why this face and proportions seem familiar...
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Well, finally Sailor Mars appear and thanks to the original anime she is not one of my favourite one, and its because the alwasy fight with Usagi and its too childish comparing to her manga version.
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LOL usagi is funny, who gets off a bus to follow someone jsut because theyre attracted to them. didnt watch the original or read the manga but what is sailor mars like? i heard she was adapted differently in the original? and why did everyone refer to her as being beautiful, isnt that meant to be sailor venus' thing
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