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Would you be as forceful to someone face-to-face?
Oct 4, 2013 2:04 PM
#1
| I just thought this to myself because of the way some of the threads have been going. Not that I'm lurking or anything. I feel like people have created a MAL version of themselves that is unrealistic. It's almost like they are acting out a caricature that I suspect they regret to some extent later. I understand that given certain situations we would behave differently because of intimidation, venue, maybe even physical attraction. So my questions is specifically this: Having ceteris paribus, would you behave the same to the people you are talking to face-to-face as you would on the forum; same person, same topic, same situation? What would it take for you to behave differently? |
text27 said: yes if you read the whole thing...robots will only kill the people you put in-front of them so yeah. RandomChampion said: u were that homie in the thong werent u |
Oct 4, 2013 2:06 PM
#2
| I am. I have skyped with some of the people I interact with here in MAL. xD And they say that I am pretty much like my online MAL self. |
Oct 4, 2013 2:08 PM
#3
| I might be a little more confident in myself during arguments on the internet, but for the most part, I'd say I'm like my online self. |
an egomaniac and a fool |
Oct 4, 2013 2:09 PM
#4
| Never, I would never act differently. I do not hide behind my computer, I am who I am whether it's on the internet or in real life. |
Oct 4, 2013 2:10 PM
#5
| I'm even more awesome irl |
Oct 4, 2013 2:11 PM
#6
| I'm actually funny IRL |
Oct 4, 2013 2:12 PM
#7
| This is who I am in real life and I don't pretend to be somebody that I'm not |
Oct 4, 2013 2:14 PM
#8
| The Internet provides anonymity. People are naturally less concerned about their self-image so they don't feel compelled to filter their thoughts. Furthermore they don't see a human face when they're talking to someone online, they see some text that sometimes says stupid shit that they don't like. It's much easier to forget that there is a human being on the other side of that string of text even if they are spouting what you feel to be stupid shit. Truthfully there's no need to be so cruel about it, but it's convenient to forget that and just vent. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
Oct 4, 2013 2:17 PM
#9
Damaein said: WAAAHHH NO WAAAAAAAAY~I feel like people have created a MAL version of themselves that is unrealistic. It's almost like they are acting out a caricature that I suspect they regret to some extent later. If it gets the attention flowing, then so be it. Haven't regretted this persona in my entire history of the Internet. If you could call it that. It's just the other half of me, really. Damaein said: Uh... no? Because they're not actually my friends? And because acting like an entertaining manchild in real life is pretty stupid?Having ceteris paribus, would you behave the same to the people you are talking to face-to-face as you would on the forum; same person, same topic, same situation? What would it take for you to behave differently? I'd be the same as my Internet persona if they were my friends. Whoop. |
Oct 4, 2013 2:18 PM
#10
| Absolutely, I'm not a little bitch. |
Oct 4, 2013 2:19 PM
#11
| I act in real life the same way I act on the Internet. Behavior wise that is. I won't be telling you guys some things you can't notice yourselves. Like, being a pedophile for example. |
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Oct 4, 2013 2:19 PM
#12
| I don't behave at all similar on MAL as I do face to face. But that's because I don't talk much face to face, or say what's on my mind, or express how I'm feeling. In a sense, I act more in line with how I actually am as a person on MAL than I do face to face. |
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Oct 4, 2013 2:22 PM
#13
| I'm not sure its so much a character people play but more so that many people are really reserved in real life so they build up a lot of crazy outgoing emotions that dont get out much, so when they get online they stretch the legs of all those oppressed feelings so to speak. Like how you may be a respectful business man during the week but a complete nutter on the weekend when out clubbing. I for one feel more like the real me online than in real life, in real life I hold back and blend in with the walls im so dull. |
Oct 4, 2013 2:23 PM
#14
| Yeah i'm pretty much the same but lets just say the more you know me the more hyper I get. |
Oct 4, 2013 2:24 PM
#15
| Needs one more vote for "depends" to establish poll equilibrium. Watch it not happen :c |
Oct 4, 2013 2:37 PM
#18
| Nah man, I'm the same. Though I do think that sometimes people seem different online, not because of what they're saying, but because of how others see it. I mean, a sentence can mean convey completely different emotions based on the tone in which it is said, but you can't hear anyone on forums so you don't really have that. idk if I'm explaining this well. Probably not. As for the question. I don't usually get forceful anywhere because I don't like aggressive behavior in anyone, especially not myself, but when there is an argument, I act the same way I would irl. If anything, I'm probably more 'forceful' in real life since it's kinda more intense and you actually have to react quickly, while I usually forget to check threads online. |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
Oct 4, 2013 2:48 PM
#19
| I'll put it this way: I can bring out my good sides to the same extent IRL as over the internet, but quite sure I couldn't with my bad sides. However that's not as much a matter of courage but rather that it seems... idk just awkward and out of character of me to behave that way towards another human being face to face. |
Oct 4, 2013 2:57 PM
#20
| Online or face-to-face doesn't change for me, I'm mostly the same unless I'm having a fit of dissocial-ite. It's easy to build up alter-egos on the internet, and some people have a good reason to need that. |
Oct 4, 2013 3:58 PM
#21
| the two times i have gone batshit IRL were not pretty. honestly, as messy as it gets, i don't think i could even begin to bring that level of hate to a faceless post. |
Oct 4, 2013 4:09 PM
#22
| I'm not as nice in real life as I am here. I'm positively benevolent here. |
Oct 4, 2013 4:23 PM
#23
| It's impossible to say because I'm fairly sure that the things I react to on the forums would not have been said in RL. People worry less about saying something stupid on the internet because there they don't care (and don't even have to notice) when someone calls them out. So I'm not wasting time being polite when calling someone out most of the time. I value being polite very highly in RL, because you can't just go and turn it off when you get offended, but for the same reason it's not a necessity on the internet as long as it doesn't go overboard. Plus there's always the option of thinking through what you say and where and how and not getting called an idiot, which works not perfectly but most of the time even on the internet. Also on the internet there's way more posts to read at the same time than any conversation can possible have, which is another reason to support leaving the polite phrases and going for entertainment value instead. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Oct 4, 2013 4:27 PM
#24
| Yes sir. If people can type a certain way online (especially with all the bashing and arguments), they should be the same irl. If not, lol @ them. |
Oct 4, 2013 4:29 PM
#25
| If i know em, then ill act the same as i always would. If i dont know em, ill still probably act the same as i always would. |
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Oct 4, 2013 4:30 PM
#26
| I think I'm the same person face-to-face as I am online, just a little less bitchier, and I swear a lot. |
Oct 4, 2013 4:36 PM
#27
| Nah I don't go into confrontations with people IRL. That's what teh internet is for. |
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Oct 4, 2013 4:45 PM
#28
| No, aside from being a lot shyer irl I'm pretty much the same. |
Oct 4, 2013 4:49 PM
#29
| I'm somewhat kinder over the net. Also slightly less talkative. Otherwise the same. |
| "Your argument is like a naked banana--it simply lacks appeal." |
Oct 4, 2013 5:03 PM
#30
Damaein said: Absolutely. One must remember the context of forum topics as opposed to real life conversation: In forum topics, the topic of the conversation is specifically indicated and the conversation must be contained within this topic; real life conversation is rarely contained within a specific topic, rather the topics shift as anecdotes are introduced. When someone in real life says, "After all, people have the free will to do whatever they want right?", while the object of the sentence is 'free will', the actual topic of the conversation might be an event the person experienced, perhaps an argument with parents, or perhaps a convict appealing for self-defense, and the overall arc of the conversation might be about something else entirely, such as the state of the world, or the person's bad hair day.Having ceteris paribus, would you behave the same to the people you are talking to face-to-face as you would on the forum; same person, same topic, same situation? In order to make an apt comparison between forum conversation and real life conversation, having 'ceterus paribus', we must equalize for this fact, that the real life conversation must be specifically about an indicated topic and about that topic only. Therefore, suppose someone sat you down and explained, "I want to talk about the nature of free will", and then proceeds to give you his position on free will, a position that might be totally contradictory and full of shit, as it often is in an internet forum; in that situation, I would be fully justified in breaking him down since it is understood by all the participants the context of any criticism (whereas I would not be necessarily justified in the previous example, it would have become a digression from the true topic of the conversation). There is a caveat to my answer: Physical appearances often change people's behaviors with regards to popularity or threat of force. Suppose a MAL convention where the host declares a topic and we are to gather in small rooms and debate the topic. Surely, many feeble-minded guests would begin to identify and side with people that they deem have the 'popular' look (and this has been proven even here online, just look at the number of noobs that immediately jumped on BloodCalibur's cock based on just his profile and his unwavering aggression) in order to gain a powerful tool called 'winning by numbers'. It might also be intimidating to forcefully reason with people who are significantly larger in size, or people who one deems could threaten violence. In light of this, I propose that in order to be truly 'ceterus paribus' in such a situation, there needs to be impartial security imposing absolute order and the ability to exit the premise whenever we wish. This should not be taken to affect the answer I had originally given, since it is still true that regardless of physical size or popularity, if all of the participants understood the context, and rules and conventions of a conversation, that no such problems should arise. Such a problem is limited to mass gatherings or truly private conversations with no one else around, if we were to make a real life analogy of the forum as a whole or a private debate as opposed to a single thread of conversation within the larger community. |
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Oct 4, 2013 8:38 PM
#33
| I don't share my life experiences on people in real life, only on the internet. Just in case people will bash me in the internet, I won't be able to give a fck. The only difference of me IRL and in forums. |
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Oct 5, 2013 5:11 AM
#34
| The answer is always depends |
| One day I'll be like Akashi and gain this title "Unbeatable" “ Since I always win, I'm always right. ” —Seijūrō Akashi “ The only one who can beat me, is me. ” —Daiki Aomine |
Oct 5, 2013 5:25 AM
#35
| I act on the Internet just as I'd act offline. I think it's silly to put on a persona or be a dick just because you can. Fortunately it makes it much easier to distinguish who's worth your time and who isn't. There are some nice people here on MAL that I wouldn't mind knowing better, and then there's the rest. |
Oct 5, 2013 5:27 AM
#36
| Yea. IRL, if there's something I dont like about someone I'm verbal about it. I dont give a fuck. I play icehockey like its a religion and im not afraid to throw my body around without the pads on. Anime is just a sub hobby. |
Oct 5, 2013 5:54 AM
#37
elite-sama said: Having ceteris paribus, would you behave the same to the people you are talking to face-to-face as you would on the forum; same person, same topic, same situation? Absolutely. One must remember the context of forum topics as opposed to real life conversation: In forum topics, the topic of the conversation is specifically indicated and the conversation must be contained within this topic; real life conversation is rarely contained within a specific topic, rather the topics shift as anecdotes are introduced. When someone in real life says, "After all, people have the free will to do whatever they want right?", while the object of the sentence is 'free will', the actual topic of the conversation might be an event the person experienced, perhaps an argument with parents, or perhaps a convict appealing for self-defense, and the overall arc of the conversation might be about something else entirely, such as the state of the world, or the person's bad hair day.In order to make an apt comparison between forum conversation and real life conversation, having 'ceterus paribus', we must equalize for this fact, that the real life conversation must be specifically about an indicated topic and about that topic only. Therefore, suppose someone sat you down and explained, "I want to talk about the nature of free will", and then proceeds to give you his position on free will, a position that might be totally contradictory and full of shit, as it often is in an internet forum; in that situation, I would be fully justified in breaking him down since it is understood by all the participants the context of any criticism (whereas I would not be necessarily justified in the previous example, it would have become a digression from the true topic of the conversation). There is a caveat to my answer: Physical appearances often change people's behaviors with regards to popularity or threat of force. Suppose a MAL convention where the host declares a topic and we are to gather in small rooms and debate the topic. Surely, many feeble-minded guests would begin to identify and side with people that they deem have the 'popular' look (and this has been proven even here online, just look at the number of noobs that immediately jumped on BloodCalibur's cock based on just his profile and his unwavering aggression) in order to gain a powerful tool called 'winning by numbers'. It might also be intimidating to forcefully reason with people who are significantly larger in size, or people who one deems could threaten violence. In light of this, I propose that in order to be truly 'ceterus paribus' in such a situation, there needs to be impartial security imposing absolute order and the ability to exit the premise whenever we wish. This should not be taken to affect the answer I had originally given, since it is still true that regardless of physical size or popularity, if all of the participants understood the context, and rules and conventions of a conversation, that no such problems should arise. Such a problem is limited to mass gatherings or truly private conversations with no one else around, if we were to make a real life analogy of the forum as a whole or a private debate as opposed to a single thread of conversation within the larger community. This is a weak post. I am surprised no one has attacked it yet. Elite-sama, it seems you have constructed an indomitable image for yourself -- or rather, most of your fellow users here on MyAnimeList share a certain trepidation about rebuking you; perhaps in the extreme, even questioning your posts with the slightest of critique. I for one, must profess. I almost feel it is my intellectual obligation to destroy this image. People, this man threatens every imaginable social hierarchy here on MAL, but even threatens to undo us with it. His posts scream out scientificity, but I see subtle indoctrination and pathogenicity. Do you all mean to tell me that you will let this one man bully you into coercion? This is not the Internet, the so called perfect democracy; it is a an Autocracy, a dictatorship. Heed this warning, elite-sama. It could be next season, it could be in a few years. But your ambition, will come to an end. Grow you may. But there are one's out there, one's who watch from the shadows -- gazing with a glare of scrutiny and contempt. And at this rate, you wil fall. |
Oct 5, 2013 6:10 AM
#38
LostLocke said: I for one, must profess. I almost feel it is my intellectual obligation to destroy this image. People, this man threatens every imaginable social hierarchy here on MAL, but even threatens to undo us with it. His posts scream out scientificity, but I see subtle indoctrination and pathogenicity. Do you all mean to tell me that you will let this one man bully you into coercion? This is not the Internet, the so called perfect democracy; it is a an Autocracy, a dictatorship. Heed this warning, elite-sama. It could be next season, it could be in a few years. But your ambition, will come to an end. Grow you may. But there are one's out there, one's who watch from the shadows -- gazing with a glare of scrutiny and contempt. And at this rate, you wil fall. Autocrat, have you come from whence you came, all the same except the name? |
Oct 5, 2013 8:13 AM
#39
| I guess so. The only place where I'm different is on MAL, where I like to be biased and obnoxious, kind of a troll, being annoying in my arguments with people around here is fun. but in real life I couldn't care less about what people do as long as they don't harm anyone. |
Oct 5, 2013 8:42 AM
#40
Damaein said: Having ceteris paribus, would you behave the same to the people you are talking to face-to-face as you would on the forum; same person, same topic, same situation? What would it take for you to behave differently? I share your opinion on the exaggerated and conceited attitudes of most MAL users on the forums. I've met three to four people in real life, whom I was introduced to on the internet, on websites other than MAL (Goodreads and such) and from my analysis as well as theirs, I share an almost identical tone and behaviour in real life as I do in the virtual one. I can't say for MAL though, most of the people playing around in the forums seem like they're looking for unnecessary challenges to prove some kind of a pseudo-superiority as opposed to finding and interacting with the global society like literate and well-mannered folks who share common interests. |
Oct 5, 2013 10:44 AM
#41
| I strive to behave in forums the same way I do in real life, so yes, I would be as 'forceful' as you put it if I really behaved like that in a discussion here (doubt I'll actually do that though). |
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
Oct 5, 2013 11:02 AM
#42
| I agree with the OP, that many people wouldn't act the same way or maybe in the same tone but that isn't the case with me. I am who I am. |
Oct 5, 2013 11:34 AM
#43
| I'm the same. Of course, I might be more confident in saying "kawaiiii" here than in real life, lol. |
There's no such thing as a painless lesson. They just don't exist. Sacrifices are necessary. You can't gain anything without losing something first. Although if you can endure that pain and walk away from it, you'll find that you now have a heart strong enough to overcome any obstacle. Yeah, a heart made fullmetal. - Fullmetal Alchemist |
Oct 5, 2013 12:12 PM
#44
Oct 5, 2013 12:29 PM
#45
Damaein said: I just thought this to myself because of the way some of the threads have been going. Not that I'm lurking or anything. I feel like people have created a MAL version of themselves that is unrealistic. It's almost like they are acting out a caricature that I suspect they regret to some extent later. I understand that given certain situations we would behave differently because of intimidation, venue, maybe even physical attraction. So my questions is specifically this: Having ceteris paribus, would you behave the same to the people you are talking to face-to-face as you would on the forum; same person, same topic, same situation? What would it take for you to behave differently? My MAL self, while not a completely so, is an honest reflection of how I truly am; a brutally honest asshole that loves sarcasm. |
Oct 5, 2013 2:11 PM
#46
Hiryu12 said: oh hiryu hahaI am. I have skyped with some of the people I interact with here in MAL. xD And they say that I am pretty much like my online MAL self. Um... I'm not the same online as in real life. Because I'll never meet the internet friends I skype with, I kinda yolo it some time. But definitely, I'm more creepy online than irl lolol i swear im not creepy dont listen to my chemistry teacher. he called me creepy and crazy wow thanks but i generally act the same. im more goofy and foolish online tho but i cant say that because we were playing bingo in spanish and i got the red chips and put the on my face and made pikachu noises for the rest of class. yeah mostly the same. |
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Oct 5, 2013 7:22 PM
#47
| I doubt the pussies from MAL could do that, most of them would be too scared of even speaking. |
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Oct 5, 2013 7:29 PM
#48
| I act in real life. I act in Mal. I think acting is much more fun than reality. |
Oct 5, 2013 7:30 PM
#49
Hiryu12 said: I am. I have skyped with some of the people I interact with here in MAL. xD And they say that I am pretty much like my online MAL self. Yeah pretty much. I think that a handful of users know me pretty well. Mostly Timtam club members. |
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