Is forced anime Westernization a soft form of imperialism?
Yes
36.6%
26
No
63.4%
45
71 votes
| Imperialism, in a short way to describe it, is when a country invades a foreign land to steal resources for themselves. This often includes oil, natural gas, minerals, water, and many other materials people need for their survival. Many countries thought history have done this, with some of the worst offenders being the British Empire and the United States. Many other countries have been victims of imperialism, with some common victims being Africa, Latin America, India, and of course Venezuela. Japan has also committed some horrific acts of imperialism, and has also been a victim of imperialism, particularly from the US. Beginning in the 1850s, when the Perry Expedition blew down Japanese cities with cannons, and forced them to open up trade with the US, they have been terrorizing Japan ever since, forcing them to do whatever the US wants, and when they don’t do what the US wants, Japanese people get harmed in many forms, including having atomic bombs dropped on them. Today, the US has many military bases in Japan, which they claim is to “protect Japan”, but in reality, they make life for Japanese citizens hell, while doing nothing to actually protect them. When Japanese politicians try and speak out against these injustices, the US convinces somebody to assassinate them, like in 1960. The US has also forced Japan to make its various forms of entertainment, including anime, appeal to them, and not to Japanese people. They’ve done this through censorship, localization, having payment processors cut support when they don’t self-censor, and many more methods. What do you think? Based on this information, would you consider the forced Westernization and censorship of anime to be a form of imperialism, even if it’s a softer kind than stealing oil, water, or other resources? |
| Anime always was Westernized. Anime always was owned by Western companies. |
| I have approximately 1 terabyte of anime on my computer. |
| It's more of a cross-cultural influence, rather than imperialism. Japan is influenced by Western countries, and Western countries are influenced by Japan. Of course that influence is somewhat imbalanced, because the West as a whole is much bigger than Japan in almost every way. |
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ForgotEyeWasHere said:
The US has also forced Japan to make its various forms of entertainment, including anime, appeal to them, and not to Japanese people. They’ve done this through censorship, localization, having payment processors cut support when they don’t self-censor, and many more methods.
The US has also forced Japan to make its various forms of entertainment, including anime, appeal to them, and not to Japanese people. They’ve done this through censorship, localization, having payment processors cut support when they don’t self-censor, and many more methods.
Can you provide factual data that proves that the anime industry changed because of these?
E.g. the anime industry could still produce anime to the Japanese people, while the US distributors, streaming sites localize it, because it won't change what the Japanese people got.
Also, anime is inherently very American, because it was inspired by American cartoons.
| @ktg The censorship of anime by payment processors has been widely documented. Funimation has admitted that Western companies go on to production committees to force Japanese anime to be made for a Western audience, and not Japanese audiences. |
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@ktg The censorship of anime by payment processors has been widely documented. Funimation has admitted that Western companies go on to production committees to force Japanese anime to be made for a Western audience, and not Japanese audiences.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere This. Payment processors acting as an essential service forcing foreign companies to play by their rules or lose services is a pretty clear case of cultural subjugation. |
| The official term is cultural imperialism and there is many academic essays and books on the topic of the West having a cultural imperialism over other countries including Japan. I am not sure any focus on anime solely though. Zarutaku said: It's more of a cross-cultural influence, rather than imperialism. Japan is influenced by Western countries, and Western countries are influenced by Japan. Of course that influence is somewhat imbalanced, because the West as a whole is much bigger than Japan in almost every way. Imbalanced influence, economic pressures and market domination is what cultural imperialism is about. It isnt same as the more traditional imperialism that uses military force. |
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The official term is cultural imperialism and there is many academic essays and books on the topic of the West having a cultural imperialism over other countries including Japan. I am not sure any focus on anime solely though.
Imbalanced influence, economic pressures and market domination is what cultural imperialism is about. It isnt same as the more traditional imperialism that uses military force.
Zarutaku said:
It's more of a cross-cultural influence, rather than imperialism. Japan is influenced by Western countries, and Western countries are influenced by Japan.
Of course that influence is somewhat imbalanced, because the West as a whole is much bigger than Japan in almost every way.
It's more of a cross-cultural influence, rather than imperialism. Japan is influenced by Western countries, and Western countries are influenced by Japan.
Of course that influence is somewhat imbalanced, because the West as a whole is much bigger than Japan in almost every way.
Imbalanced influence, economic pressures and market domination is what cultural imperialism is about. It isnt same as the more traditional imperialism that uses military force.
traed said: Imbalanced influence, economic pressures and market domination is what cultural imperialism is about. Uh ok, so human society is imperializing me, because it has much more influence on me than I have on it, makes sense ... |
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The official term is cultural imperialism and there is many academic essays and books on the topic of the West having a cultural imperialism over other countries including Japan. I am not sure any focus on anime solely though.
Imbalanced influence, economic pressures and market domination is what cultural imperialism is about. It isnt same as the more traditional imperialism that uses military force.
Zarutaku said:
It's more of a cross-cultural influence, rather than imperialism. Japan is influenced by Western countries, and Western countries are influenced by Japan.
Of course that influence is somewhat imbalanced, because the West as a whole is much bigger than Japan in almost every way.
It's more of a cross-cultural influence, rather than imperialism. Japan is influenced by Western countries, and Western countries are influenced by Japan.
Of course that influence is somewhat imbalanced, because the West as a whole is much bigger than Japan in almost every way.
Imbalanced influence, economic pressures and market domination is what cultural imperialism is about. It isnt same as the more traditional imperialism that uses military force.
| @traed The US has indeed done cultural imperialism on anime. They do this not just through government and military forces, but also corporate forces, such as Mastercard and other payment processors demanding the censorship of anime, or cutting off people's money. |
ForgotEyeWasHere said: The US has indeed done cultural imperialism on anime. They do this not just through government and military forces, but also corporate forces, such as Mastercard and other payment processors demanding the censorship of anime, or cutting off people's money. The payment processor thing was because of NGOs putting pressure on the companies. One is Australian based so it isn't just the US behind this. Zarutaku said: Uh ok, so human society is imperializing me, because it has much more influence on me than I have on it, makes sense ... That doesnt fall under the definition. Just read up about it instead of making things up. |
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| Yes, Ukiyoe is the only true Japanese art. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| No this is just revenge for messing with America's boats. Same with the Perry expedition. He knew Pearl Harbor would happen in the future and acted accordingly. |
| MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
traed said: That doesnt fall under the definition. Just read up about it instead of making things up. I did and my analogy fits pretty well, human society imposes its rules and culture on me, but (almost) not vice versa, so there's an imbalanced influence, based on the size of each party. Analogously Japan and the West are both part of human society, so they are also influenced by it, but contrary to just me they are big enough to exert a noteworthy influence on it (and therefore each other as well), in varying degrees that depends on many factors. |
ZarutakuJan 5, 8:45 AM
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| That's a wild leap. The post is effectively "imperialism is real, and I don't like "censorship," therefore imperialism exists in anime, too." The anime industry and the fanbase in Japan are just minding their own business, making and watching what they like, and enjoying the additional revenue from overseas. I doubt they care that much about what Americans or anyone outside Japan want. They definitely don't care what you want, much less your handwringing about the supposed "imperialism." |
| Soft imperialism no, cringe and annoying absolutely. I still personally want every localizer to lose their job, but the harsh imagery conjured up by the words "soft imperialism" strikes me as a bit excessive. |
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| This would be true if anime was truly dominated by Western values and morals, but fortunately, that's not the case. Anime still largely caters to Japanese audience, as they should. Exceptions don't count as examples. |
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| Anime should cater to Japanese audiences first and foremost, but I don't think you know what that word means. |
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| I see that two planes weren't enough x2 pero~ x1 |
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| There is no "Le westernization of anime is to anime what flat earth is to science." answer, poll is invalid. It presupposes that everybody agrees wih the conspiracy theory that is the whole premise. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era  |
| No, i don't believe so but bad faith adaptations and localizations where the original context and meaning are changed is problematic. |
| I do think crunchyroll and banking agencies are trying to globalize anime which is terrible for freedom of expression. |
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| Nice use of buzzwords. Now show me these many "westernized" shows and don't come up with "anime is woke now bc they dare to show me queer characters". They always have been in anime. It's pretty telling that this is almost always coming from people, who are a lot into gooner shows, while old Nippon Animation and Ghibli anime etc. always took western inspiration too, didn't sexualize children and teens and all. |
TressymJan 5, 5:15 PM
| Anime was literally inspired by Western animation... Also, no. That's just the result of globalization. Even ignoring that, can you list any ways that anime has been too "Westernized" these days without using buzzwords like "woke" and "DEI"? I'll wait. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
| @Catalano lmao traed said: The payment processor thing was because of NGOs putting pressure on the companies. One is Australian based so it isn't just the US behind this. They've been censoring the same thing well before those NGO(s) popped up out of air. Especially for hosting eroge and doujins. All the way back to 2013 iirc. @perseii That was true until just censoring the national release was not good enough anymore. They began going after the source. @KiliianSleipnir see above |
| As long as Japan laughs in tourists faces and does not even listen to their whining, they are harmless. You combat cringe by ignoring it. Localisation is different subject. Their latest stunt with Umamusume is inexcusable and I can't wait to see them replaced with AI. |
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Nice use of buzzwords.
Now show me these many "westernized" shows and don't come up with "anime is woke now bc they dare to show me queer characters". They always have been in anime.
It's pretty telling that this is almost always coming from people, who are a lot into gooner shows, while old Nippon Animation and Ghibli anime etc. always took western inspiration too, didn't sexualize children and teens and all.
Now show me these many "westernized" shows and don't come up with "anime is woke now bc they dare to show me queer characters". They always have been in anime.
It's pretty telling that this is almost always coming from people, who are a lot into gooner shows, while old Nippon Animation and Ghibli anime etc. always took western inspiration too, didn't sexualize children and teens and all.
Fukoku said: Anime was literally inspired by Western animation... Also, no. That's just the result of globalization. Even ignoring that, can you list any ways that anime has been too "Westernized" these days without using buzzwords like "woke" and "DEI"? I'll wait. @Tressym @Fukoku Western influence has a history of not only removing LGBT characters from anime, but also introduced homophobia and transphobia to Japan in the first place. Homosexuality was never a crime in Japan until after the Perry Expedition forced Japan to open up to the United States, and they forced their values onto Japan, including their bigotry and anti-nudity values. Japan had a third gender called Wakashu that disappeared from Japanese culture due to Western influence. This kind of stuff continues to this day. Western corporations, military, and government force themselves onto anime production committees in order to make them appeal to Westerners, and not Japanese people. Payment processors force Japanese media creators to self-censor, or lose their money, like Mastercard and VISA, by removing all NSFW content, including porn, nudity, or anything else that offends them. |
ForgotEyeWasHereJan 5, 6:26 PM
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Fukoku said:
Anime was literally inspired by Western animation...
Also, no. That's just the result of globalization. Even ignoring that, can you list any ways that anime has been too "Westernized" these days without using buzzwords like "woke" and "DEI"? I'll wait.
Anime was literally inspired by Western animation...
Also, no. That's just the result of globalization. Even ignoring that, can you list any ways that anime has been too "Westernized" these days without using buzzwords like "woke" and "DEI"? I'll wait.
@Tressym @Fukoku Western influence has a history of not only removing LGBT characters from anime, but also introduced homophobia and transphobia to Japan in the first place. Homosexuality was never a crime in Japan until after the Perry Expedition forced Japan to open up to the United States, and they forced their values onto Japan, including their bigotry and anti-nudity values. Japan had a third gender called Wakashu that disappeared from Japanese culture due to Western influence.
This kind of stuff continues to this day. Western corporations, military, and government force themselves onto anime production committees in order to make them appeal to Westerners, and not Japanese people. Payment processors force Japanese media creators to self-censor, or lose their money, like Mastercard and VISA, by removing all NSFW content, including porn, nudity, or anything else that offends them.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere Literally none of the points you bring up besides the credit card thing have anything to do with your premise, unless you're trying to tell us an old fart from 2 centuries ago and some shady spy shit in 1960 are suddenly "westernizing" anime now in the 2020s. Wakashu does sound like your typical patriarchal society's trick to let old men abuse teenagers, kinda like Bacha Bazi in Afghanistan. Unsurprisingly, women were left out of the deal... |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
| @Deathko They serve as proof that it happens, happened to Japan, and is still happening now by money instead of violence. Love Hina's mangaka entered the government for the very purpose of stopping western influence having its way with Japanese entertainment. The support he received in doing so shows it's not only him seeing it. The anime industry is less insular in financial dependence than manga is. |
Reply to ForgotEyeWasHere
Fukoku said:
Anime was literally inspired by Western animation...
Also, no. That's just the result of globalization. Even ignoring that, can you list any ways that anime has been too "Westernized" these days without using buzzwords like "woke" and "DEI"? I'll wait.
Anime was literally inspired by Western animation...
Also, no. That's just the result of globalization. Even ignoring that, can you list any ways that anime has been too "Westernized" these days without using buzzwords like "woke" and "DEI"? I'll wait.
@Tressym @Fukoku Western influence has a history of not only removing LGBT characters from anime, but also introduced homophobia and transphobia to Japan in the first place. Homosexuality was never a crime in Japan until after the Perry Expedition forced Japan to open up to the United States, and they forced their values onto Japan, including their bigotry and anti-nudity values. Japan had a third gender called Wakashu that disappeared from Japanese culture due to Western influence.
This kind of stuff continues to this day. Western corporations, military, and government force themselves onto anime production committees in order to make them appeal to Westerners, and not Japanese people. Payment processors force Japanese media creators to self-censor, or lose their money, like Mastercard and VISA, by removing all NSFW content, including porn, nudity, or anything else that offends them.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere Okay, I can agree on your first statement. But I still don't see how anime get westernized (or how it's more now than back then). That's always thrown around, while Tezuka got his inspiration from Disney in first place. Not due to imperalism, he just got exposed to another culture and their media due to globalization. Also Nippon Animation and Ghibli adapted a lot of western works since Nippon Animation worked together with French and other studios on some projects. Having international partners is not the same as forcing someone else culture on them. |
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anime is soft power itself so it can be considered cultural imperialism too
its simply a power struggle
its simply a power struggle
| @deg a very interesting take. Makes a lot of sense too, a lot of people have favourable opinions about Japan because of anime. |
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| @Tressym The last anime with loli nipples was Dansai Bunri no Crime Edge which aired in... 2013. |
ForgotEyeWasHere said: Fukoku said: Anime was literally inspired by Western animation... Also, no. That's just the result of globalization. Even ignoring that, can you list any ways that anime has been too "Westernized" these days without using buzzwords like "woke" and "DEI"? I'll wait. @Tressym @Fukoku Western influence has a history of not only removing LGBT characters from anime, but also introduced homophobia and transphobia to Japan in the first place. Homosexuality was never a crime in Japan until after the Perry Expedition forced Japan to open up to the United States, and they forced their values onto Japan, including their bigotry and anti-nudity values. Japan had a third gender called Wakashu that disappeared from Japanese culture due to Western influence. This kind of stuff continues to this day. Western corporations, military, and government force themselves onto anime production committees in order to make them appeal to Westerners, and not Japanese people. Payment processors force Japanese media creators to self-censor, or lose their money, like Mastercard and VISA, by removing all NSFW content, including porn, nudity, or anything else that offends them. While you do have a good point with the sexuality and gender, you also need to remember that anime has been taking inspiration from Western animation since anime was born. This is why blackface can be seen in older anime like Dragon Ball. Am I saying this is okay? Absolutely not. It’s a great thing that blackface is retired now. But they’re also just mimicking what they see from America who they are taking inspiration from. Even if we don’t talk about Osamu Tezuka, Akira Toriyama was inspired by American martial arts movies starring either Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan, I can’t remember who exactly. Hirohiko Araki took heavy inspiration with Western music like Led Zeppelin and Prince. Which is a result of globalization and/or cross cultural interactions. Not imperialism. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
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Nice use of buzzwords.
Now show me these many "westernized" shows and don't come up with "anime is woke now bc they dare to show me queer characters". They always have been in anime.
It's pretty telling that this is almost always coming from people, who are a lot into gooner shows, while old Nippon Animation and Ghibli anime etc. always took western inspiration too, didn't sexualize children and teens and all.
Now show me these many "westernized" shows and don't come up with "anime is woke now bc they dare to show me queer characters". They always have been in anime.
It's pretty telling that this is almost always coming from people, who are a lot into gooner shows, while old Nippon Animation and Ghibli anime etc. always took western inspiration too, didn't sexualize children and teens and all.
| @Tressym Westernized has become a buzzword too? Argh...almost everything is becoming a buzzword these days. |
| If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece |
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@Deathko They serve as proof that it happens, happened to Japan, and is still happening now by money instead of violence.
Love Hina's mangaka entered the government for the very purpose of stopping western influence having its way with Japanese entertainment. The support he received in doing so shows it's not only him seeing it. The anime industry is less insular in financial dependence than manga is.
Love Hina's mangaka entered the government for the very purpose of stopping western influence having its way with Japanese entertainment. The support he received in doing so shows it's not only him seeing it. The anime industry is less insular in financial dependence than manga is.
| @plebrepel Who forced Japan to try and imitate Disney? Who forced Japan to imitate america's RnB and italo-disco in the 80s? So far OP has been asked multiple times to describe the so-called "westernization" of anime and has done nothing but vomit a couple platitudes with no substance whatsoever and a bunch of buzzwords. Maybe if I take some shrooms and start drunk-posting incoherent shit about le censorship of greedy corporations (private entities) and how it's because of le bigotry of le imperialist murican state (public entity, but okay) and start babbling some shit, people will just nod along without asking questions too because it fits their preconceived notion that we live a period of oppression and that the world is being socially engineered by malevolent actors because we can't drink and drive or be racist a-holes like it's the 50s anymore. The truth is, modern TV shows are way more violent and sexual in nature than older anime shows, so here's for censorship. Anime had LGBT content before the west did (at least as far as kids cartoons are concerned) and it's not going to change anytime soon. What's even funnier is that we both know that's not what OP cares about and he actually probably doesn't watch said shows; in fact, like most proponents of the "le westernization is killing anime" theory, he probably thinks "fujoshits are ruining anime" and just want to goon to big anime tiddies and lolis like it's the 2010s all over again. Despite a pretty extensive list full of classics and a huge 2010s list, he seems to have managed to avoid literally every common lgbt anime, something that can't be said about questionnable hentai. TL;DR: OP is gentting nervous at the idea that the FBI might outlaw his hentai HDD. |
DeathkoJan 5, 7:54 PM
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| @Deathko Japan's brand of homosexuality and erotica and subgenres surrounding it developed independently of the west. It is not LGBT. Yuri and Lesbianism are not equivalents. You talk about being influenced by the west by Disney and movies literature and what not, but the topic here is not taking influence it is coercion. To get influenced into making something by one's own volition, against to get influenced into making changes against one's will. With the release of the Dragon Quest remake Horii Yuji was pissed off by American meddling in Japan in 2024. Costume censorship and A Type / B Type is in the Japanese version of the game. Don't need to tell you who's "influence" that is. In his words the restrictions are negatively influencing Japan. Given the popularity of Dragon Quest there is no justification for the changes. |
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@Deathko Japan's brand of homosexuality and erotica and subgenres surrounding it developed independently of the west. It is not LGBT. Yuri and Lesbianism are not equivalents.
You talk about being influenced by the west by Disney and movies literature and what not, but the topic here is not taking influence it is coercion. To get influenced into making something by one's own volition, against to get influenced into making changes against one's will.
With the release of the Dragon Quest remake Horii Yuji was pissed off by American meddling in Japan in 2024. Costume censorship and A Type / B Type is in the Japanese version of the game. Don't need to tell you who's "influence" that is. In his words the restrictions are negatively influencing Japan. Given the popularity of Dragon Quest there is no justification for the changes.
You talk about being influenced by the west by Disney and movies literature and what not, but the topic here is not taking influence it is coercion. To get influenced into making something by one's own volition, against to get influenced into making changes against one's will.
With the release of the Dragon Quest remake Horii Yuji was pissed off by American meddling in Japan in 2024. Costume censorship and A Type / B Type is in the Japanese version of the game. Don't need to tell you who's "influence" that is. In his words the restrictions are negatively influencing Japan. Given the popularity of Dragon Quest there is no justification for the changes.
| @plebrepel Don't call it lgbt if it gives you eczema, Rose of Versailles is still a crossdressing show, Utena a lesbian one, and No°6 a gay one. I'm not going to play semantic games to avoid calling a cat a cat. Wow, le evil west stiffled the creativity of some AAA generic game dev making a remake of a three decades old game (see the irony already?)? Or did the greedy japanese devs aim for the lowest age rating all over the world then blamed it on someone else when it blew up in their faces? Because the narrative that some kind of evil corporate american agent invited himself in their office and forced them to make a sitty ass lame redesign of the Warrior seems very much invented. Who forced them to target the lowest age rating possible in the US? Who forced them to make the shittiest and laziest imaginable "redesign" to fix this issue? Nobody. Just a greedy corporate cog blaming it on other greedy corporate cogs in an obvious attempt at deflecting. Fun fact: Japan was already censoring games for foreign audiences back in the 80s and 90s. |
DeathkoJan 5, 8:52 PM
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Deathko said: Don't call it lgbt if it gives you eczema, Rose of Versailles is still a crossdressing show, Utena a lesbian one, and No°6 a gay one. I'm not going to play semantic games to avoid calling a cat a cat. I like their breed of cats. I don't necessarily dislike the cat breed over here when they respect the difference of cultures. Deathko said: Because the narrative that some kind of evil corporate american agent invited himself in their office and forced them to make a sitty ass lame redesign of the Warrior seems very much invented. It was overseas investment firms, again. Deathko said: Who forced them to target the lowest age rating possible in the US? Who forced them to make the shittiest and laziest imaginable "redesign" to fix this issue? Nobody. Just a greedy corporate cog blaming it on other greedy corporate cogs in an obvious attempt at deflecting. Fun fact: Japan was already censoring games for foreign audiences back in the 80s and 90s. I don't much disagree there. They don't care much about the overseas product which is fine. Only that the changes for the English version are left to a company paid to do it for them. They're always shit and I prefer a fan-translated whenever it's possible. But the difference here is the involvement of overseas companies into their domestic version of the game. Doing a dance for foreigner money (not customers but investment) is not good for creative freedom. |
| Oh dear. Here we go again. Reminder to everyone: You do not have to deepthroat Japan. I repeat: You do not have to deepthroat Japan. Just because it is banana shaped does not mean you gotta slurp and suck on it. No, some bro in California translating an anime in a way you do not like does not make it imperialism. No, a payment processor deciding to cut support for payments is not imperialism. No, a woman talking on youtube about things she'd like to see change in anime is not imperialism. Stop trying to live vicariously through a country, and stop trying make Japan (ie yourself) out to be a victim. You are not under attack by "the west." You are not under attack by immigrants, or feminism, or wokeness. We both know you hide in your bedroom because you are socially awkward, not because you are under any sort of assault. Turn off the computer and your gaming consoles, go outside, and meet people. Go to a sports game, or a bar, or get a job and go in to work. Just meet people. Speaking from personal experience, your awkwardness will largely dissipate and you'll realize most people are fine and it'll be easier to converse with other. Then you won't have to live in artificial fear to feel emotions. |
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KittenCuddler said: No, a payment processor deciding to cut support for payments is not imperialism. Explain the status of loli eroge in Japan right now. Why is its unanimous popularity so disproportionate to its dwindling availability in stores? What would you call the effect of an external entity pruning your resources in this manner? |
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