| It's simply nostalgia to claim otherwise. 1. There are more titles than ever with a greater variety of genres. Some seasons had as little as one new show per season in the 80s. 2. Shows from the 80s and 90s were not necessarily good. Saint Seiya and DBZ are good examples of this. Look at the seasonal charts from the 80s lol they are tiny. 3. If you don't like anime past a certain year, are you sure you even like anime in the first place? When you like maybe 1 percent of anime and that number gets smaller every year. |
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tchitchouanOct 20, 6:26 PM
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No, objectively animation quality of the early 00s nosedived compared to the prior decades, early 2000s digital anime is considerably worse than the 80s/90s celluloid animation.
| @tchitchouan early 2000s? That's it? By late 2000s it was fine. Gurren Lagann and Star Driver were the best looking mecha ever IMO. And the girls are hotter post 2000s. |
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@tchitchouan early 2000s? That's it? By late 2000s it was fine. Gurren Lagann and Star Driver were the best looking mecha ever IMO.
And the girls are hotter post 2000s.
And the girls are hotter post 2000s.
| @ComeInReiAsuka Animation quality didn't correct itself until around 2007/2008. most anime from 2000 to 2006 were worse than the ones in 80's and 90's. ComeInReiAsuka said: That's subjective, i like 80's anime girls more but the 00s had plenty of hot girls, so it depends on preference and perspective.And the girls are hotter post 2000s.  |
ComeInReiAsuka said: Post 2000s anime is better than pre-2000s anime A reason for this is likely that 99% of people who would share such an opinion are mostly relying on digitally ripped 3rd rate quality garbage of shit that was never meant to be digitally ripped in the 1st place. lol To put it on a level playing field, try watching post-2000s anime from outside of your house through a dirty window 30 feet away using a ventilation shaft to listen to the audio, if your not watching anime produced before the turn of the century on Official Japanese Laserdiscs. If you got Official domestic DVD copies of anime produced before the turn of the century, then you can listen to the audio of post-2000 Anime with the dirty window cracked open a bit and clean just one side of the window to make your viewing experience slightly cleaner, and maybe move 15 feet closer to the window. lol |
ColourWheelOct 20, 6:47 PM
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ComeInReiAsuka said:
Post 2000s anime is better than pre-2000s anime
Post 2000s anime is better than pre-2000s anime
A reason for this is likely that 99% of people who would share such an opinion are mostly relying on digitally ripped 3rd rate quality garbage of shit that was never meant to be digitally ripped in the 1st place. lol
To put it on a level playing field, try watching post-2000s anime from outside of your house through a dirty window 30 feet away using a ventilation shaft to listen to the audio, if your not watching anime produced before the turn of the century on Official Japanese Laserdiscs. If you got Official domestic DVD copies of anime produced before the turn of the century, then you can listen to the audio of post-2000 Anime with the dirty window cracked open a bit and clean just one side of the window to make your viewing experience slightly cleaner, and maybe move 15 feet closer to the window. lol
| @ColourWheel https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/1985/winter Anime in 1985. But it was better back then... |
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| Anime has generally trended to get better over time, with some exceptions, such as the 1990s and 2016-2022. However, I'm starting to get concerned that anime is starting to decline again. Onimai helped save anime in Winter 2023, but I'm worried now that Dandadan may have pushed things back towards heavy Western influence in Fall 2024. We need Onimai Season 2, and hentai OVAs. It's not too late to reverse Dandadan's possible negative effects. |
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@ColourWheel https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/1985/winter
Anime in 1985.
But it was better back then...
Anime in 1985.
But it was better back then...
ComeInReiAsuka said: @ColourWheel https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/1985/winter Anime in 1985. But it was better back then... You completely disregard Anime series back then ran longer than 12 episodes. lol Vast volumes a trash being produced doesn't equate to quality. Just to fucking watch "Hokuto no Ken", "Urusei Yatsura", "Captain Tsubasa", "Cat's Eye", "Lupin III: Part III", "Dr. Slump: Arale-chan", "Kinnikuman", "Attacker You!", etc.. during that year as it aired would have been totally worth it to experience that alone. Not to mention "Megazone 23" was still being produced that season too... Just that title alone makes 1985 epic. |
ColourWheelOct 20, 6:57 PM
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ComeInReiAsuka said:
@ColourWheel https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/1985/winter
Anime in 1985.
But it was better back then...
@ColourWheel https://myanimelist.net/anime/season/1985/winter
Anime in 1985.
But it was better back then...
You completely disregard Anime series back then ran longer than 12 episodes. lol
Vast volumes a trash being produced doesn't equate to quality.
Just to fucking watch "Hokuto no Ken", "Urusei Yatsura", "Captain Tsubasa", "Cat's Eye", "Lupin III: Part III", "Dr. Slump: Arale-chan", "Kinnikuman", "Attacker You!", etc.. during that year as it aired would have been totally worth it to experience that alone.
Not to mention "Megazone 23" was still being produced that season too... Just that title alone makes 1985 epic.
| @ColourWheel Point 2 2. Shows from the 80s and 90s were not necessarily good. Saint Seiya and DBZ are good examples of this. Look at the seasonal charts from the 80s lol they are tiny. Just to fucking watch "Hokuto no Ken", "Urusei Yatsura", "Captain Tsubasa", "Cat's Eye", "Lupin III: Part III", "Dr. Slump: Arale-chan", "Kinnikuman", "Attacker You!", etc.. during that year as it aired would have been totally worth it to experience that alone. You can easily dismiss all of these as Archaic trash btw. Hokuto no Ken did not age well. I remember even back in like 2006 when I was watching it I complained about all the filler in the beginning. |
ComeInReiAsukaOct 20, 7:05 PM
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| More anime also means a lot more generic slop, though. I'm pretty sure a claim like this requires, you know, actual analysis. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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More anime also means a lot more generic slop, though. I'm pretty sure a claim like this requires, you know, actual analysis.
| @LostSpectre oh yes because shows like Hokuto no Ken, Dragonball and Saint Seiya were the peak of entertainment and so much better than modern day shonen lol |
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@LostSpectre oh yes because shows like Hokuto no Ken, Dragonball and Saint Seiya were the peak of entertainment and so much better than modern day shonen lol
| @ComeInReiAsuka I didn't know only 3 anime were produced before 2020, my mistake. It would be an interesting subject for analysis, but carry on with your rage-baiting, instead. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
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@ComeInReiAsuka I didn't know only 3 anime were produced before 2020, my mistake.
It would be an interesting subject for analysis, but carry on with your rage-baiting, instead.
It would be an interesting subject for analysis, but carry on with your rage-baiting, instead.
| @LostSpectre so few anime was made in the 80s 3 shows drops the average more than 3 shows in the 2010s. |
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| Yes. - original TV anime had to include mecha/spaceships or mahou shoujo, other genres weren't allowed - adaptations were long running which means slow paced, filler-riddled and with no chance of getting a sequel season years later once they stop airing (Ashita no Joe 2 is an extremely rare exception) - the good old cel animation is better only if we talk about OVAs and movies, not the vast majority of TV anime What I like the most about modern anime is the variety: even if 30 seasonals out of 50 are the most cookie-cutter fantasy or romance, there's still a lot left. There's so little variety in pre-2000 anime that I couldn't find anything from that era that did similar things, either better or worse, as my favorite post-2000 anime; then of course the pre-2000 era is more specialized in other genres like mecha or action with guns but they're not my favorites. |
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Yes.
- original TV anime had to include mecha/spaceships or mahou shoujo, other genres weren't allowed
- adaptations were long running which means slow paced, filler-riddled and with no chance of getting a sequel season years later once they stop airing (Ashita no Joe 2 is an extremely rare exception)
- the good old cel animation is better only if we talk about OVAs and movies, not the vast majority of TV anime
What I like the most about modern anime is the variety: even if 30 seasonals out of 50 are the most cookie-cutter fantasy or romance, there's still a lot left. There's so little variety in pre-2000 anime that I couldn't find anything from that era that did similar things, either better or worse, as my favorite post-2000 anime; then of course the pre-2000 era is more specialized in other genres like mecha or action with guns but they're not my favorites.
- original TV anime had to include mecha/spaceships or mahou shoujo, other genres weren't allowed
- adaptations were long running which means slow paced, filler-riddled and with no chance of getting a sequel season years later once they stop airing (Ashita no Joe 2 is an extremely rare exception)
- the good old cel animation is better only if we talk about OVAs and movies, not the vast majority of TV anime
What I like the most about modern anime is the variety: even if 30 seasonals out of 50 are the most cookie-cutter fantasy or romance, there's still a lot left. There's so little variety in pre-2000 anime that I couldn't find anything from that era that did similar things, either better or worse, as my favorite post-2000 anime; then of course the pre-2000 era is more specialized in other genres like mecha or action with guns but they're not my favorites.
Nirinbo said: Damn, that's crazy. Crazy in how wrong and unfair you have summed up pre-2000s anime. I guess you have just checked out one random season fitting your thesis and assumed that the rest of seasons, bah, several decades of anime history were exactly like that amd that they were rather gloomy, dull times for the Japanese animation (apologies in advance if that was not the case). Not that it's inherently bad. It's still a method and sophistry of some sort, even if at the same time it is unfair and far from reality, no matter if someone thinks post-2000s anime is better or not. You could do the same with post-2000s anime by picking up a fairly weak season lacking in variety of shows, starting to bash modern anime and start glazing pre-2000s anime with, say, "old good, new bad" argumentation. ;p It'd be equally unfair and not corresponding with reality.- original TV anime had to include mecha/spaceships or mahou shoujo, other genres weren't allowed - adaptations were long running which means slow paced, filler-riddled and with no chance of getting a sequel season years later once they stop airing (Ashita no Joe 2 is an extremely rare exception) - the good old cel animation is better only if we talk about OVAs and movies, not the vast majority of TV anime Instead of typing "lies" under each of points you have mentioned, I will just share this video: |
| Overall yes, except for detailed cel animation. |
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Nirinbo said:
- original TV anime had to include mecha/spaceships or mahou shoujo, other genres weren't allowed
- adaptations were long running which means slow paced, filler-riddled and with no chance of getting a sequel season years later once they stop airing (Ashita no Joe 2 is an extremely rare exception)
- the good old cel animation is better only if we talk about OVAs and movies, not the vast majority of TV anime
Damn, that's crazy. Crazy in how wrong and unfair you have summed up pre-2000s anime. I guess you have just checked out one random season fitting your thesis and assumed that the rest of seasons, bah, several decades of anime history were exactly like that amd that they were rather gloomy, dull times for the Japanese animation (apologies in advance if that was not the case). Not that it's inherently bad. It's still a method and sophistry of some sort, even if at the same time it is unfair and far from reality, no matter if someone thinks post-2000s anime is better or not. You could do the same with post-2000s anime by picking up a fairly weak season lacking in variety of shows, starting to bash modern anime and start glazing pre-2000s anime with, say, "old good, new bad" argumentation. ;p It'd be equally unfair and not corresponding with reality.- original TV anime had to include mecha/spaceships or mahou shoujo, other genres weren't allowed
- adaptations were long running which means slow paced, filler-riddled and with no chance of getting a sequel season years later once they stop airing (Ashita no Joe 2 is an extremely rare exception)
- the good old cel animation is better only if we talk about OVAs and movies, not the vast majority of TV anime
Instead of typing "lies" under each of points you have mentioned, I will just share this video:
| @Adnash "you're wrong, wrong, YOU'RE VERY WRONG" is not an argument. Please provide better arguments |
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@Adnash "you're wrong, wrong, YOU'RE VERY WRONG" is not an argument. Please provide better arguments
| @Nirinbo How so? You're the one who started cherry-picking and throwing around questionable vague generalizations, and now you want me to do your research and explain everything for you, while you will - most likely - just counter whatever I write with another set of generalizations and untrue stuff? xD What's more, it ain't rocket science. These things can be easily found on the Internet. I know that I might sound a little rude, but my previous experience with that kind of takes taught me that it's better to assume that someone else is trolling rather than they don't do that. It can avoid wasting time on discussing with someone who doesn't really want to discuss (I'm not talking about you, but about that kind of people I mentioned before). But okay, ragebait or not, I'll try to respond to your points as shortly as possible. That stuff is easily verifiable, so please, don't be surprised if I don't waste time writing a massive wall of text (though it will be most likely not a short post either, lol) about "the sun actually shines during the day!"-tier stuff. Nirinbo said: This is a myth that's honestly become boring to hear, even as a meme mentioned from time to time in random places. While mecha and magical girl shows were popular, especially in the '70s and '80s, they weren't the only types of original anime being made. Shows like Future Boy Conan, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Aoi Blink, Oniisama e, Ginga Nagareboshi Gin, or Jungle Emperor Leo prove there was plenty of genre variety. Studios weren't restricted to certain formulas. They could do something else, and they actually did. The same goes for taking creative risks or trying to make something new. They did it and they experimented with combining various genres, like in Utena's case, or various themes, like in Ginga Nageboroshi Gin.- original TV anime had to include mecha/spaceships or mahou shoujo, other genres weren't allowed Those two genres you mentioned just got more international attention and merchandising support. They were making money in Japan too, sure, but it's not like there was some massive gap between them and everything else. So acting like they were some unshakeable standard is just unfair to other shows. Marketing success and toy tie-ins are one thing. Creative restrictions, which simply weren't a thing in this case, are something else entirely. Would you feel okay if someone said "modern anime is all shounenslop and generic isekai garbage" just because those two types are popular in the 2020s? Probably not. Same logic applies here. Nirinbo said: Not really. Some long-running shounen shows had filler or recap episodes, like Dragon Ball (filler episodes and arcs) or Hokuto no Ken (recap episodes), but many adaptations were well-paced and stayed close to their source material. Rose of Versailles told a full story in under 40 episodes. The Captain Harlock anime expanded the original but didn't feel like it was padded with meaningless filler. Maison Ikkoku adapted nearly the whole manga. Fuuma no Kojirou covered the complete story.- adaptations were long running which means slow paced, filler-riddled and with no chance of getting a sequel season years later once they stop airing (Ashita no Joe 2 is an extremely rare exception) Ashita no Joe 2 gets mentioned a lot, but it wasn't some one-of-a-kind exception. Ever heard about City Hunter, Hajime no Ippo, or Touch? They all had multiple seasons or follow-ups. Sequels were less common back then mainly because of how anime was produced and funded, not because creators weren't allowed to continue stories or take different directions. Nirinbo said: Sure, OVAs and films usually had more time and budget, which gave us amazing visuals in stuff like Akira (yeah, I know the model example, lol), Ninja Scroll, the first Macross movie, or the Dragon Ball Z movies (especially the one with Janemba). But lots of TV anime had excellent cel animation too. Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, Utena, Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, Lupin III Part II, and Aim for the Ace! all had strong visual direction and animation quality you could easily notice whether you actually watched the show, or just skimmed through it and focused on random scenes, out of curiosity.- the good old cel animation is better only if we talk about OVAs and movies, not the vast majority of TV anime Cel animation had a unique, warm feel, but it also came with its own limitations. It's normal. Digital tools brought in different strengths, like dynamic camera movement, easier way of drawing stuff and easier way of implementing good-looking effects in general. They're not worse, just different. And for a while, cel animation was better than early digital animation, 'cause with strengths came also new challenges. It was clearly visible especially in the early 2000s when digital production was still finding its footing and before it became widely spread. Studios learned how to use the new tools well. That kind of transition is normal with any new tool. Just check out some of those shows. You don't have to watch all of them, but being aware of their existence and importance already helps a lot. That's why I recommend reading more about anime history instead of repeating weird myths. I didn't see many of those anime (though I saw a nice amount of them at the same time), but I'm aware of their significance that is big enough that they can be easily used as commonly known examples to support certain type of arguments regarding oldschool anime. Of course it's fine to prefer post-2000s anime. Everyone has their own taste. It's great to be aware of one's own taste and have a specified preference. I don't want to convince you to change your taste. It'd be dumb and ridicilous to try to make someone dislike stuff that they like, lol. But bashing older eras based on claims that don't really hold up? That's just lazy, and honestly, kind of weird. For instance, the original Astro Boy can be tough to watch these days, same as some other shows from that era, but calling it, as some ignorants unfortunatelly do, "garbage ahh uwatchable", or even having no respect towards Osamu Tezuka and his massive, crucial influence on the thing all of us enjoy watching (anime)? 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AdnashYesterday, 1:13 AM
| None of the arguments presented explain why 25+ year old animecare worse than than stuff that came out later. |
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Adnash said: Shows like Future Boy Conan, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Aoi Blink, Oniisama e, Ginga Nagareboshi Gin, or Jungle Emperor Leo prove there was plenty of genre variety. The only original anime among them is Utena which is a mahou shoujo (albeit not a traditional one), the others are all adaptations. Adnash said: many adaptations were well-paced and stayed close to their source material. Rose of Versailles told a full story in under 40 episodes. The Captain Harlock anime expanded the original but didn't feel like it was padded with meaningless filler. Maison Ikkoku adapted nearly the whole manga. Fuuma no Kojirou covered the complete story. What I said about slow pacing and fillers was actually a problem of TV adaptations of ongoing manga, my bad. Rose of Versailles and Captain Herlock are adaptations of manga that were completed or close to completion at that time, Fuuma no Kojirou is an OVA. Adnash said: Ever heard about City Hunter, Hajime no Ippo, or Touch? They all had multiple seasons or follow-ups. City Hunter 2 literally started one week after City Hunter 1, and City Hunter 3 a few months after City Hunter 2. Not "years later" Hajime no Ippo is post-2000 Touch got TV specials and movies, not sequel seasons Adnash said: But lots of TV anime had excellent cel animation too. Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, Utena, Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, Lupin III Part II, and Aim for the Ace! Fair point but I don't think they're part of the "vast majority", they're definitely on the upper end of TV anime. |
NirinboYesterday, 3:41 AM
ComeInReiAsuka said: It's simply nostalgia to claim otherwise. 1. There are more titles than ever with a greater variety of genres. Some seasons had as little as one new show per season in the 80s. 2. Shows from the 80s and 90s were not necessarily good. Saint Seiya and DBZ are good examples of this. Look at the seasonal charts from the 80s lol they are tiny. 3. If you don't like anime past a certain year, are you sure you even like anime in the first place? When you like maybe 1 percent of anime and that number gets smaller every year. I think you are confusing quantity with quality |
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ComeInReiAsuka said:
It's simply nostalgia to claim otherwise.
1. There are more titles than ever with a greater variety of genres. Some seasons had as little as one new show per season in the 80s.
2. Shows from the 80s and 90s were not necessarily good. Saint Seiya and DBZ are good examples of this. Look at the seasonal charts from the 80s lol they are tiny.
3. If you don't like anime past a certain year, are you sure you even like anime in the first place? When you like maybe 1 percent of anime and that number gets smaller every year.
It's simply nostalgia to claim otherwise.
1. There are more titles than ever with a greater variety of genres. Some seasons had as little as one new show per season in the 80s.
2. Shows from the 80s and 90s were not necessarily good. Saint Seiya and DBZ are good examples of this. Look at the seasonal charts from the 80s lol they are tiny.
3. If you don't like anime past a certain year, are you sure you even like anime in the first place? When you like maybe 1 percent of anime and that number gets smaller every year.
I think you are confusing quantity with quality
| @DigiCat So much quality in those 80s shows  |
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| @ComeInReiAsuka %-wise, yes, there was a higher amount of quality anime compare to the total anime released :) |
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@ComeInReiAsuka %-wise, yes, there was a higher amount of quality anime compare to the total anime released :)
| @DigiCat i mean. That's probably true but there was so few anime back then you still are getting more good shows today. Sturgeons law. 90 percent of everything is crap. But somehow. 90 percent of 80s anime was good. No that's just fucking nostalgia lol |
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@DigiCat i mean. That's probably true but there was so few anime back then you still are getting more good shows today.
Sturgeons law. 90 percent of everything is crap. But somehow. 90 percent of 80s anime was good.
No that's just fucking nostalgia lol
Sturgeons law. 90 percent of everything is crap. But somehow. 90 percent of 80s anime was good.
No that's just fucking nostalgia lol
| @ComeInReiAsuka Well Strurgeon is not entirely wrong, but he doesn't take into account one thing While yes, generally speaking the majority of anything is crap, the more saturated a field is, the more likely you're going to find things that are mid to crap, so it's not really always fixed at 90%, and the reason is very simple, the less products you're working on at a time, the more time you have to dedicate to each product, this doesn't only apply to eras, take for example different anime stidios Look no further than MAPPA vs ufotable, MAPPA obviously releases a lot more anime, but which studio overall gets better quality results? |
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| nice bait dude, I almost went "NO U". |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
| "Post 2000s anime is better than pre-2000s anime" Yey for oranges being better than apples! "It's simply nostalgia to claim otherwise." Or is it recency bias and refusal to recognise anything outside or your limited scope, to not take those as equals? "There are more titles than ever with a greater variety of genres." There's more trash too. "Shows from the 80s and 90s were not necessarily good. Saint Seiya and DBZ are good examples of this." Battle shounen is trashy by definition. OK, by my definition, but there are examples for the opposite in said periods. "If you don't like anime past a certain year," But I do like recent shows, OP assumes stuff in order for their rage bait biased thesis to work. "When you like maybe 1 percent of anime and that number gets smaller every year." Imagine being bored by the flood of poorly written power fantasy. |
| Fun fact: this kind of dumb take could be applied to pretty much entertainment industry and would be just as wrong. |
ComeInReiAsuka said: Or just your opinion. Also outside of Dragon Ball and One Piece, all the pre 2000s anime on my list I watched after I made this MAL account. I have no nostalgia for retro anime. I grew up with largely anime from the 2000s.It's simply nostalgia to claim otherwise. ComeInReiAsuka said: Yeah however, if you like sci fi, the 80s were amazing, and now you get barely anything. I love sci fi....probably more than any other genre, nowadays. There are more titles than ever with a greater variety of genres. Some seasons had as little as one new show per season in the 80s. ComeInReiAsuka said: Meh I like DBZ, and sure I don't think anyone claimed such things. Shows from the 80s and 90s were not necessarily good. Saint Seiya and DBZ are good examples of this. Look at the seasonal charts from the 80s lol they are tiny. ComeInReiAsuka said: Yes however, you can apply this logic to fans who don't watch old anime, either. If you don't like anime past a certain year, are you sure you even like anime in the first place? When you like maybe 1 percent of anime and that number gets smaller every year. |
BilboBaggins36510 hours ago
| Old anime vs. new anime debates are hilarious. People act like pre-2000s stuff was hand-crafted perfection and post-2000s is all cookie-cutter. Neither is inherently “better.” Old anime had fewer shows, hand-painted, expensive, risky. Imperfect animation, yes, but full of personality and experimentation. New anime have more shows, digital polish, global reach. Some masterpieces, some recycled isekai trash. Both eras have brilliance, both have trash. Old anime had grit. New anime has polish. Stop pretending one side wins. Anyway, it’s basically a ragebait thread for anyone who likes old anime and hates on everything new. Nice try, though. |
| It should be just a fact, but people don't want to accept it. |
| "Those words are meant for those that dare defy god's final warning... An epigraph of their stubbornness" - Maho Hiyajo (Steins;Gate 0)    |
| I'd agree, but then again I'm biased since over 97% of my list is from 2000 and onward. |
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Old anime vs. new anime debates are hilarious. People act like pre-2000s stuff was hand-crafted perfection and post-2000s is all cookie-cutter. Neither is inherently “better.” Old anime had fewer shows, hand-painted, expensive, risky. Imperfect animation, yes, but full of personality and experimentation. New anime have more shows, digital polish, global reach. Some masterpieces, some recycled isekai trash. Both eras have brilliance, both have trash. Old anime had grit. New anime has polish. Stop pretending one side wins.
Anyway, it’s basically a ragebait thread for anyone who likes old anime and hates on everything new. Nice try, though.
Anyway, it’s basically a ragebait thread for anyone who likes old anime and hates on everything new. Nice try, though.
| @Impala old anime runs out. New anime? We will keep getting those for a while. |
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Anime has generally trended to get better over time, with some exceptions, such as the 1990s and 2016-2022. However, I'm starting to get concerned that anime is starting to decline again. Onimai helped save anime in Winter 2023, but I'm worried now that Dandadan may have pushed things back towards heavy Western influence in Fall 2024. We need Onimai Season 2, and hentai OVAs. It's not too late to reverse Dandadan's possible negative effects.
| @ForgotEyeWasHere Anime has always had Western influence. Disney itself influenced the art style of anime. |
| @ComeInReiAsuka I have to wonder what exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s? Did you actually see any of the 80s Anime films in a theater? Watch the shit when it aired real-time on a broadcasting station? Get the luxury to view the shit on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs? VHS copies that have been well preserved? Ported masters onto DVD copies? What exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s? I have watched you dunk on the Japanese Anime from the 80s only dropping enough titles to count on a single hand. lol To give you my perspective here is just a very short list of franchises from the 80s that I personally own on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs, VHS tapes, and DVD ports... "Urusei Yatsura", "The Kabocha Wine", "Aura Battler Dunbine", "Crusher Joe", "Soukou Kihei Votoms", "Harmagedon", "Golgo 13: The Professional", "Cat's Eye", "Barefoot Gen", "Prime Rose", "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind", "Birth", "Megazone 23", "Area 88", "Fantastic Adventure Of Yohko: Leda", "Dirty Pair", "Dream Dimension Hunter Fandora", "Cosmo Police Justy", "Ninja Senshi Tobikage", "Tatakae!! Iczer-1", "Fire Tripper", "Vampire Hunter D", "Dragon Ball", "The Humanoid: Ai no Wakusei Lezeria", "Fist of the North Star: The Movie", "Maison Ikkoku", "Soukihei MD Geist", "Violence Jack", "Maris the Chojo", "Project A-Ko", "Windaria", "Gall Force 1", "Amon Saga", "Outlanders", "Wanna-Be's", "Grey: Digital Target", "Bubblegum Crisis", "Laughing Target", "Black Magic M-66", "Circuit Angel: Ketsui no Starting Grid", "Wicked City", "Robot Carnival", "Lily C.A.T.", "Haja Taisei Dangaiou", "Neo Tokyo", "Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01", "Junk Boy", "Battle Royal High School", "The Samurai", "Ultimate Teacher", "Appleseed", "Dominion", "The Tokyo Project", "Vampire Princess Miyu", "Akira", "Gunbuster", "Demon City Shinjuku", "Crying Freeman", "Project Zeorymer", "Goku: Midnight Eye", "Riding Bean", "Venus Wars", "Ranma ½", "Angel Cop", "Baoh the Visitor", "The Guyver: Bio-Booster Armor", "The Enemy's the Pirates!: The Cats' Banquet", "Cybernetics Guardian", "Assemble Insert", "Shuten Douji", "Garaga", etc... Yes granted some franchises I don't have completed volumes of the series/OVAs, but I own enough of them to formulate my own opinion from watching this shit in the highest fidelity possible. From seeing some of this shit in an actual theater, back in the late 80s and early 90s, to watching this shit in the comfort of my home on a 55" Trinitron. So what is your experiences? You simply just bumming shit off the internet of poorly encoded 3rd rate 3rd generation slop garbage quality? Because to me it seems like you don't really have much to say but a bias opinion based on an extreme lack of experience when it comes to this era. lol This is like the equivalent to someone perpetually whaling on that they think Woodstock sucked in the 60s because they watched a video about it. lol |
ColourWheel5 hours ago
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| Yeah I agree, though it mainly has to do with the fact that there are way, way more anime post 2000. ForgotEyeWasHere said: Dandadan pushed heavy western influence? What does that mean?but I'm worried now that Dandadan may have pushed things back towards heavy Western influence in Fall 2024. |
| Go read Berserk and One Piece they're the best thing ever |
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Old anime vs. new anime debates are hilarious. People act like pre-2000s stuff was hand-crafted perfection and post-2000s is all cookie-cutter. Neither is inherently “better.” Old anime had fewer shows, hand-painted, expensive, risky. Imperfect animation, yes, but full of personality and experimentation. New anime have more shows, digital polish, global reach. Some masterpieces, some recycled isekai trash. Both eras have brilliance, both have trash. Old anime had grit. New anime has polish. Stop pretending one side wins.
Anyway, it’s basically a ragebait thread for anyone who likes old anime and hates on everything new. Nice try, though.
Anyway, it’s basically a ragebait thread for anyone who likes old anime and hates on everything new. Nice try, though.
| @Impala But to be fair, people who prefer new anime stereotype old anime as well. And tbh, a lot of old anime enthusiasts will watch some new anime. New anime only enjoyers, barely watch anything old. If it's older than Dragon Ball, they ain't watching. |
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@ComeInReiAsuka
I have to wonder what exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s? Did you actually see any of the 80s Anime films in a theater? Watch the shit when it aired real-time on a broadcasting station? Get the luxury to view the shit on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs? VHS copies that have been well preserved? Ported masters onto DVD copies? What exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s?
I have watched you dunk on the Japanese Anime from the 80s only dropping enough titles to count on a single hand. lol
To give you my perspective here is just a very short list of franchises from the 80s that I personally own on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs, VHS tapes, and DVD ports...
"Urusei Yatsura", "The Kabocha Wine", "Aura Battler Dunbine", "Crusher Joe", "Soukou Kihei Votoms", "Harmagedon", "Golgo 13: The Professional", "Cat's Eye", "Barefoot Gen", "Prime Rose", "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind", "Birth", "Megazone 23", "Area 88", "Fantastic Adventure Of Yohko: Leda", "Dirty Pair", "Dream Dimension Hunter Fandora", "Cosmo Police Justy", "Ninja Senshi Tobikage", "Tatakae!! Iczer-1", "Fire Tripper", "Vampire Hunter D", "Dragon Ball", "The Humanoid: Ai no Wakusei Lezeria", "Fist of the North Star: The Movie", "Maison Ikkoku", "Soukihei MD Geist", "Violence Jack", "Maris the Chojo", "Project A-Ko", "Windaria", "Gall Force 1", "Amon Saga", "Outlanders", "Wanna-Be's", "Grey: Digital Target", "Bubblegum Crisis", "Laughing Target", "Black Magic M-66", "Circuit Angel: Ketsui no Starting Grid", "Wicked City", "Robot Carnival", "Lily C.A.T.", "Haja Taisei Dangaiou", "Neo Tokyo", "Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01", "Junk Boy", "Battle Royal High School", "The Samurai", "Ultimate Teacher", "Appleseed", "Dominion", "The Tokyo Project", "Vampire Princess Miyu", "Akira", "Gunbuster", "Demon City Shinjuku", "Crying Freeman", "Project Zeorymer", "Goku: Midnight Eye", "Riding Bean", "Venus Wars", "Ranma ½", "Angel Cop", "Baoh the Visitor", "The Guyver: Bio-Booster Armor", "The Enemy's the Pirates!: The Cats' Banquet", "Cybernetics Guardian", "Assemble Insert", "Shuten Douji", "Garaga", etc...
Yes granted some franchises I don't have completed volumes of the series/OVAs, but I own enough of them to formulate my own opinion from watching this shit in the highest fidelity possible. From seeing some of this shit in an actual theater, back in the late 80s and early 90s, to watching this shit in the comfort of my home on a 55" Trinitron.
So what is your experiences? You simply just bumming shit off the internet of poorly encoded 3rd rate 3rd generation slop garbage quality? Because to me it seems like you don't really have much to say but a bias opinion based on an extreme lack of experience when it comes to this era. lol
This is like the equivalent to someone perpetually whaling on that they think Woodstock sucked in the 60s because they watched a video about it. lol
I have to wonder what exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s? Did you actually see any of the 80s Anime films in a theater? Watch the shit when it aired real-time on a broadcasting station? Get the luxury to view the shit on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs? VHS copies that have been well preserved? Ported masters onto DVD copies? What exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s?
I have watched you dunk on the Japanese Anime from the 80s only dropping enough titles to count on a single hand. lol
To give you my perspective here is just a very short list of franchises from the 80s that I personally own on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs, VHS tapes, and DVD ports...
"Urusei Yatsura", "The Kabocha Wine", "Aura Battler Dunbine", "Crusher Joe", "Soukou Kihei Votoms", "Harmagedon", "Golgo 13: The Professional", "Cat's Eye", "Barefoot Gen", "Prime Rose", "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind", "Birth", "Megazone 23", "Area 88", "Fantastic Adventure Of Yohko: Leda", "Dirty Pair", "Dream Dimension Hunter Fandora", "Cosmo Police Justy", "Ninja Senshi Tobikage", "Tatakae!! Iczer-1", "Fire Tripper", "Vampire Hunter D", "Dragon Ball", "The Humanoid: Ai no Wakusei Lezeria", "Fist of the North Star: The Movie", "Maison Ikkoku", "Soukihei MD Geist", "Violence Jack", "Maris the Chojo", "Project A-Ko", "Windaria", "Gall Force 1", "Amon Saga", "Outlanders", "Wanna-Be's", "Grey: Digital Target", "Bubblegum Crisis", "Laughing Target", "Black Magic M-66", "Circuit Angel: Ketsui no Starting Grid", "Wicked City", "Robot Carnival", "Lily C.A.T.", "Haja Taisei Dangaiou", "Neo Tokyo", "Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01", "Junk Boy", "Battle Royal High School", "The Samurai", "Ultimate Teacher", "Appleseed", "Dominion", "The Tokyo Project", "Vampire Princess Miyu", "Akira", "Gunbuster", "Demon City Shinjuku", "Crying Freeman", "Project Zeorymer", "Goku: Midnight Eye", "Riding Bean", "Venus Wars", "Ranma ½", "Angel Cop", "Baoh the Visitor", "The Guyver: Bio-Booster Armor", "The Enemy's the Pirates!: The Cats' Banquet", "Cybernetics Guardian", "Assemble Insert", "Shuten Douji", "Garaga", etc...
Yes granted some franchises I don't have completed volumes of the series/OVAs, but I own enough of them to formulate my own opinion from watching this shit in the highest fidelity possible. From seeing some of this shit in an actual theater, back in the late 80s and early 90s, to watching this shit in the comfort of my home on a 55" Trinitron.
So what is your experiences? You simply just bumming shit off the internet of poorly encoded 3rd rate 3rd generation slop garbage quality? Because to me it seems like you don't really have much to say but a bias opinion based on an extreme lack of experience when it comes to this era. lol
This is like the equivalent to someone perpetually whaling on that they think Woodstock sucked in the 60s because they watched a video about it. lol
| @ColourWheel tons of mini ovas and movies there lmao. The old stuff runs out very quickly. The new stuff doesn't. You were talking about how older stuff was generally longer but simultaneously desperate enough to list 1 episode ovas. |
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Yeah I agree, though it mainly has to do with the fact that there are way, way more anime post 2000.
ForgotEyeWasHere said:
but I'm worried now that Dandadan may have pushed things back towards heavy Western influence in Fall 2024.
Dandadan pushed heavy western influence? What does that mean?but I'm worried now that Dandadan may have pushed things back towards heavy Western influence in Fall 2024.
| @WaffleMaster89 There are many Western influences in Dandadan. Lots of Western pop culture references, which far outnumber Eastern pop culture references, including the Rihanna dance. It was also made by a studio that typically makes stuff for the Western market (it was even founded to make episodes of Adventure Time), which is also a major concern. This can also be seen by the fact that Westerners liked Dandadan far more than Japanese viewers did. |
ComeInReiAsuka said: ColourWheel said: @ComeInReiAsuka I have to wonder what exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s? Did you actually see any of the 80s Anime films in a theater? Watch the shit when it aired real-time on a broadcasting station? Get the luxury to view the shit on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs? VHS copies that have been well preserved? Ported masters onto DVD copies? What exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s? I have watched you dunk on the Japanese Anime from the 80s only dropping enough titles to count on a single hand. lol To give you my perspective here is just a very short list of franchises from the 80s that I personally own on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs, VHS tapes, and DVD ports... "Urusei Yatsura", "The Kabocha Wine", "Aura Battler Dunbine", "Crusher Joe", "Soukou Kihei Votoms", "Harmagedon", "Golgo 13: The Professional", "Cat's Eye", "Barefoot Gen", "Prime Rose", "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind", "Birth", "Megazone 23", "Area 88", "Fantastic Adventure Of Yohko: Leda", "Dirty Pair", "Dream Dimension Hunter Fandora", "Cosmo Police Justy", "Ninja Senshi Tobikage", "Tatakae!! Iczer-1", "Fire Tripper", "Vampire Hunter D", "Dragon Ball", "The Humanoid: Ai no Wakusei Lezeria", "Fist of the North Star: The Movie", "Maison Ikkoku", "Soukihei MD Geist", "Violence Jack", "Maris the Chojo", "Project A-Ko", "Windaria", "Gall Force 1", "Amon Saga", "Outlanders", "Wanna-Be's", "Grey: Digital Target", "Bubblegum Crisis", "Laughing Target", "Black Magic M-66", "Circuit Angel: Ketsui no Starting Grid", "Wicked City", "Robot Carnival", "Lily C.A.T.", "Haja Taisei Dangaiou", "Neo Tokyo", "Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01", "Junk Boy", "Battle Royal High School", "The Samurai", "Ultimate Teacher", "Appleseed", "Dominion", "The Tokyo Project", "Vampire Princess Miyu", "Akira", "Gunbuster", "Demon City Shinjuku", "Crying Freeman", "Project Zeorymer", "Goku: Midnight Eye", "Riding Bean", "Venus Wars", "Ranma ½", "Angel Cop", "Baoh the Visitor", "The Guyver: Bio-Booster Armor", "The Enemy's the Pirates!: The Cats' Banquet", "Cybernetics Guardian", "Assemble Insert", "Shuten Douji", "Garaga", etc... Yes granted some franchises I don't have completed volumes of the series/OVAs, but I own enough of them to formulate my own opinion from watching this shit in the highest fidelity possible. From seeing some of this shit in an actual theater, back in the late 80s and early 90s, to watching this shit in the comfort of my home on a 55" Trinitron. So what is your experiences? You simply just bumming shit off the internet of poorly encoded 3rd rate 3rd generation slop garbage quality? Because to me it seems like you don't really have much to say but a bias opinion based on an extreme lack of experience when it comes to this era. lol This is like the equivalent to someone perpetually whaling on that they think Woodstock sucked in the 60s because they watched a video about it. lol @ColourWheel tons of mini ovas and movies there lmao. Ton? ok.... very descriptive... lol ...and why should something matter if it's a movie, OVA, or series anyways? lol it's like if something isn't 12 episodes long at 23 minutes each that it doesn't count? lol Either way you never said how you watched your 80s Anime. Since you dodge the question it's pretty obvious you likely didn't watch anything in it's highest fidelity possible. lol Try recording modern Anime on a VHS tape, then encoding it back to digital format, and see how fondly you find it them. lol I gave you a very short list of just a "few" 'franchies' i own... lol I have watch far more than that petty list of "franchises", not just going about listing entries... lol You were also dunking on the 90s too? lol Here is an extremely short list of just a "few" 'franchises' of shit that I own on Laserdiscs, VHS, DVDs, etc... "Sol Bianca", "Guardian of Darkness", "Nadia", "Record of Lodoss War", "Cyber City", "AD Police Files", "A-Ko The Versus", "Bouken! Iczer 3", "Devil Hunter Yohko", "Mad★Bull 34", "Sword for Truth", "Vampire Wars", "A Wind Named Amnesia", "Burn Up!", "Psychic Wars", "Madara", "Sukeban Deka", "RG Veda", "Abashiri Ikka", "Judge", "Souryuuden", "3x3 Eyes", "Doomed Megalopolis", "Mermaid Forest", "Detonator Orgun", "Kekkou Kamen", "Roujin Z", "Silent Möbius: The Motion Picture", "Video Girl Ai", "Genesis Survivor Gaiarth", "Spirit of Wonder", "Bastard!!", "Tenchi Muyou! Ryououki", "Domain of Murder", "Iron Virgin Jun", "The Weathering Continent", "All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku", "Black Lion", "Ellcia", "Dragon Slayer", "Fatal Fury", "The Irresponsible Captain Tylor", "Dragon Half", "Moldiver", "Mask of Zeguy", "Battle Angel Alita", "Ninja Scroll", "Casshan: Robot Hunter", "Suikoden Demon Century", "Big Wars", "New Dominion Tank Police", "Plastic Little", "Final Fantasy", "Dirty Pair Flash", "Tenchi Muyou!: Galaxy Police Mihoshi Space Adventure", "Giant Robo: Ginrei Special", "Natsuki Crisis", "Compiler", "Genocyber", "Iria", "Shin Cutie Honey", "Bakuen Campus Guardress", "Metal Fighter Miku", "You're Under Arrest", "Phantom Quest Corp.", "Ogre Slayer", "Maps", "Magic Knight Rayearth", "DNA²", "Blue Seed", "801 T.T.S. Airbats", "Wild 7", "Zenki", "Armitage III", "Slayers", "The Ping-Pong Club", "Ruin Explorers Fam & Ihrie", "Megami Paradise", "Otenki Oneesan", "Magical Girl Pretty Sammy", "Rakushou! Hyper Doll", "Galaxy Fraulein Yuna", "Idol Project", "Battle Skipper", "Legend of Crystania", "Neon Genesis Evangelion", "Sorcerer Hunters", "El-Hazard: The Wanderers", "Golden Boy", "Gunsmith Cats", "Bio Hunter", "Elf Princess Rane", "Ghost in the Shell", "Memories", "Fire Emblem", "My Dear Marie", "Ninja Cadets", "Power Dolls", "The Vision of Escaflowne", "Shamanic Princess", "Mahoutsukai Tai!", "Sanctuary", "Battle Arena Toshinden", "Tattoon Master", "Landlock", "Birdy the Mighty", "Garzey's Wing", "Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer", "Martian Successor Nadesico", "Those Who Hunt Elves", "Master of Mosquiton", "The Adventures of Kotetsu", "Panzer Dragoon", "Night Warriors", "Jungle de Ikou!", "Ayane's High Kick", "Hen", "Gestalt", "Agent AIKa", "Sakura Diaries", "Buttobi!! CPU", "Psycho Diver", "Battle Athletess Daiundoukai", "Demon Fighter Kocho", "Sprite", "Flame of Recca", "Voogie's Angel", "Hyper Speed GranDoll", "Ryuuki Denshou", "Mononoke Hime", "Berserk", "Vampire Princess Miyu", "Virus", "Photon", "Detatoko Princess", "Outlaw Star", "Kite", "Makai Tenshou", "Cowboy Bebop", "Trigun", "Initial D First Stage", "Lost Universe", "Neo Ranga", "Silent Möbius TV", "Princess Nine", "Cyber Team in Akihabara", "Golgo 13: Queen Bee", "Very Private Lesson", "Geobreeders", "Nightwalker", "Shadow Skill: Eigi", "Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040", "Devilman Lady", "Gasaraki", "Kurogane Communication", "Steam Detectives", "YU-NO", "Gundress", "Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure", "Juubee-chan", "Gokudo", "Angel Links", "Great Teacher Onizuka", "Legend of Black Heaven", "Now and Then, Here and There", "Blue Gender", "Colorful", "Steel Angel Kurumi", "G-Taste", "Choushin Hime Dangaizer 3", "Kaitouranma The Animation", etc... didn't bother to list everything I own from the 90s by "franchise", because not going to waste the time to. lol |
ColourWheel3 hours ago
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ComeInReiAsuka said:
@ColourWheel tons of mini ovas and movies there lmao.
ColourWheel said:
@ComeInReiAsuka
I have to wonder what exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s? Did you actually see any of the 80s Anime films in a theater? Watch the shit when it aired real-time on a broadcasting station? Get the luxury to view the shit on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs? VHS copies that have been well preserved? Ported masters onto DVD copies? What exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s?
I have watched you dunk on the Japanese Anime from the 80s only dropping enough titles to count on a single hand. lol
To give you my perspective here is just a very short list of franchises from the 80s that I personally own on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs, VHS tapes, and DVD ports...
"Urusei Yatsura", "The Kabocha Wine", "Aura Battler Dunbine", "Crusher Joe", "Soukou Kihei Votoms", "Harmagedon", "Golgo 13: The Professional", "Cat's Eye", "Barefoot Gen", "Prime Rose", "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind", "Birth", "Megazone 23", "Area 88", "Fantastic Adventure Of Yohko: Leda", "Dirty Pair", "Dream Dimension Hunter Fandora", "Cosmo Police Justy", "Ninja Senshi Tobikage", "Tatakae!! Iczer-1", "Fire Tripper", "Vampire Hunter D", "Dragon Ball", "The Humanoid: Ai no Wakusei Lezeria", "Fist of the North Star: The Movie", "Maison Ikkoku", "Soukihei MD Geist", "Violence Jack", "Maris the Chojo", "Project A-Ko", "Windaria", "Gall Force 1", "Amon Saga", "Outlanders", "Wanna-Be's", "Grey: Digital Target", "Bubblegum Crisis", "Laughing Target", "Black Magic M-66", "Circuit Angel: Ketsui no Starting Grid", "Wicked City", "Robot Carnival", "Lily C.A.T.", "Haja Taisei Dangaiou", "Neo Tokyo", "Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01", "Junk Boy", "Battle Royal High School", "The Samurai", "Ultimate Teacher", "Appleseed", "Dominion", "The Tokyo Project", "Vampire Princess Miyu", "Akira", "Gunbuster", "Demon City Shinjuku", "Crying Freeman", "Project Zeorymer", "Goku: Midnight Eye", "Riding Bean", "Venus Wars", "Ranma ½", "Angel Cop", "Baoh the Visitor", "The Guyver: Bio-Booster Armor", "The Enemy's the Pirates!: The Cats' Banquet", "Cybernetics Guardian", "Assemble Insert", "Shuten Douji", "Garaga", etc...
Yes granted some franchises I don't have completed volumes of the series/OVAs, but I own enough of them to formulate my own opinion from watching this shit in the highest fidelity possible. From seeing some of this shit in an actual theater, back in the late 80s and early 90s, to watching this shit in the comfort of my home on a 55" Trinitron.
So what is your experiences? You simply just bumming shit off the internet of poorly encoded 3rd rate 3rd generation slop garbage quality? Because to me it seems like you don't really have much to say but a bias opinion based on an extreme lack of experience when it comes to this era. lol
This is like the equivalent to someone perpetually whaling on that they think Woodstock sucked in the 60s because they watched a video about it. lol
@ComeInReiAsuka
I have to wonder what exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s? Did you actually see any of the 80s Anime films in a theater? Watch the shit when it aired real-time on a broadcasting station? Get the luxury to view the shit on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs? VHS copies that have been well preserved? Ported masters onto DVD copies? What exactly is your experience with Anime from the 80s?
I have watched you dunk on the Japanese Anime from the 80s only dropping enough titles to count on a single hand. lol
To give you my perspective here is just a very short list of franchises from the 80s that I personally own on Japanese/Domestic Laserdiscs, VHS tapes, and DVD ports...
"Urusei Yatsura", "The Kabocha Wine", "Aura Battler Dunbine", "Crusher Joe", "Soukou Kihei Votoms", "Harmagedon", "Golgo 13: The Professional", "Cat's Eye", "Barefoot Gen", "Prime Rose", "Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind", "Birth", "Megazone 23", "Area 88", "Fantastic Adventure Of Yohko: Leda", "Dirty Pair", "Dream Dimension Hunter Fandora", "Cosmo Police Justy", "Ninja Senshi Tobikage", "Tatakae!! Iczer-1", "Fire Tripper", "Vampire Hunter D", "Dragon Ball", "The Humanoid: Ai no Wakusei Lezeria", "Fist of the North Star: The Movie", "Maison Ikkoku", "Soukihei MD Geist", "Violence Jack", "Maris the Chojo", "Project A-Ko", "Windaria", "Gall Force 1", "Amon Saga", "Outlanders", "Wanna-Be's", "Grey: Digital Target", "Bubblegum Crisis", "Laughing Target", "Black Magic M-66", "Circuit Angel: Ketsui no Starting Grid", "Wicked City", "Robot Carnival", "Lily C.A.T.", "Haja Taisei Dangaiou", "Neo Tokyo", "Metal Skin Panic MADOX-01", "Junk Boy", "Battle Royal High School", "The Samurai", "Ultimate Teacher", "Appleseed", "Dominion", "The Tokyo Project", "Vampire Princess Miyu", "Akira", "Gunbuster", "Demon City Shinjuku", "Crying Freeman", "Project Zeorymer", "Goku: Midnight Eye", "Riding Bean", "Venus Wars", "Ranma ½", "Angel Cop", "Baoh the Visitor", "The Guyver: Bio-Booster Armor", "The Enemy's the Pirates!: The Cats' Banquet", "Cybernetics Guardian", "Assemble Insert", "Shuten Douji", "Garaga", etc...
Yes granted some franchises I don't have completed volumes of the series/OVAs, but I own enough of them to formulate my own opinion from watching this shit in the highest fidelity possible. From seeing some of this shit in an actual theater, back in the late 80s and early 90s, to watching this shit in the comfort of my home on a 55" Trinitron.
So what is your experiences? You simply just bumming shit off the internet of poorly encoded 3rd rate 3rd generation slop garbage quality? Because to me it seems like you don't really have much to say but a bias opinion based on an extreme lack of experience when it comes to this era. lol
This is like the equivalent to someone perpetually whaling on that they think Woodstock sucked in the 60s because they watched a video about it. lol
@ColourWheel tons of mini ovas and movies there lmao.
Ton? ok.... very descriptive... lol
...and why should something matter if it's a movie, OVA, or series anyways? lol
it's like if something isn't 12 episodes long at 23 minutes each that it doesn't count? lol
Either way you never said how you watched your 80s Anime. Since you dodge the question it's pretty obvious you likely didn't watch anything in it's highest fidelity possible. lol
Try recording modern Anime on a VHS tape, then encoding it back to digital format, and see how fondly you find it them. lol
I gave you a very short list of just a "few" 'franchies' i own... lol
I have watch far more than that petty list of "franchises", not just going about listing entries... lol
You were also dunking on the 90s too? lol
Here is an extremely short list of just a "few" 'franchises' of shit that I own on Laserdiscs, VHS, DVDs, etc...
"Sol Bianca", "Guardian of Darkness", "Nadia", "Record of Lodoss War", "Cyber City", "AD Police Files", "A-Ko The Versus", "Bouken! Iczer 3", "Devil Hunter Yohko", "Mad★Bull 34", "Sword for Truth", "Vampire Wars", "A Wind Named Amnesia", "Burn Up!", "Psychic Wars", "Madara", "Sukeban Deka", "RG Veda", "Abashiri Ikka", "Judge", "Souryuuden", "3x3 Eyes", "Doomed Megalopolis", "Mermaid Forest", "Detonator Orgun", "Kekkou Kamen", "Roujin Z", "Silent Möbius: The Motion Picture", "Video Girl Ai", "Genesis Survivor Gaiarth", "Spirit of Wonder", "Bastard!!", "Tenchi Muyou! Ryououki", "Domain of Murder", "Iron Virgin Jun", "The Weathering Continent", "All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku", "Black Lion", "Ellcia", "Dragon Slayer", "Fatal Fury", "The Irresponsible Captain Tylor", "Dragon Half", "Moldiver", "Mask of Zeguy", "Battle Angel Alita", "Ninja Scroll", "Casshan: Robot Hunter", "Suikoden Demon Century", "Big Wars", "New Dominion Tank Police", "Plastic Little", "Final Fantasy", "Dirty Pair Flash", "Tenchi Muyou!: Galaxy Police Mihoshi Space Adventure", "Giant Robo: Ginrei Special", "Natsuki Crisis", "Compiler", "Genocyber", "Iria", "Shin Cutie Honey", "Bakuen Campus Guardress", "Metal Fighter Miku", "You're Under Arrest", "Phantom Quest Corp.", "Ogre Slayer", "Maps", "Magic Knight Rayearth", "DNA²", "Blue Seed", "801 T.T.S. Airbats", "Wild 7", "Zenki", "Armitage III", "Slayers", "The Ping-Pong Club", "Ruin Explorers Fam & Ihrie", "Megami Paradise", "Otenki Oneesan", "Magical Girl Pretty Sammy", "Rakushou! Hyper Doll", "Galaxy Fraulein Yuna", "Idol Project", "Battle Skipper", "Legend of Crystania", "Neon Genesis Evangelion", "Sorcerer Hunters", "El-Hazard: The Wanderers", "Golden Boy", "Gunsmith Cats", "Bio Hunter", "Elf Princess Rane", "Ghost in the Shell", "Memories", "Fire Emblem", "My Dear Marie", "Ninja Cadets", "Power Dolls", "The Vision of Escaflowne", "Shamanic Princess", "Mahoutsukai Tai!", "Sanctuary", "Battle Arena Toshinden", "Tattoon Master", "Landlock", "Birdy the Mighty", "Garzey's Wing", "Voltage Fighter Gowcaizer", "Martian Successor Nadesico", "Those Who Hunt Elves", "Master of Mosquiton", "The Adventures of Kotetsu", "Panzer Dragoon", "Night Warriors", "Jungle de Ikou!", "Ayane's High Kick", "Hen", "Gestalt", "Agent AIKa", "Sakura Diaries", "Buttobi!! CPU", "Psycho Diver", "Battle Athletess Daiundoukai", "Demon Fighter Kocho", "Sprite", "Flame of Recca", "Voogie's Angel", "Hyper Speed GranDoll", "Ryuuki Denshou", "Mononoke Hime", "Berserk", "Vampire Princess Miyu", "Virus", "Photon", "Detatoko Princess", "Outlaw Star", "Kite", "Makai Tenshou", "Cowboy Bebop", "Trigun", "Initial D First Stage", "Lost Universe", "Neo Ranga", "Silent Möbius TV", "Princess Nine", "Cyber Team in Akihabara", "Golgo 13: Queen Bee", "Very Private Lesson", "Geobreeders", "Nightwalker", "Shadow Skill: Eigi", "Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo 2040", "Devilman Lady", "Gasaraki", "Kurogane Communication", "Steam Detectives", "YU-NO", "Gundress", "Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure", "Juubee-chan", "Gokudo", "Angel Links", "Great Teacher Onizuka", "Legend of Black Heaven", "Now and Then, Here and There", "Blue Gender", "Colorful", "Steel Angel Kurumi", "G-Taste", "Choushin Hime Dangaizer 3", "Kaitouranma The Animation", etc... didn't bother to list everything I own from the 90s by "franchise", because not going to waste the time to. lol
| Again all of that is just desperation. 1080p>>> I bet REDLINE in theatre's looked better than that. I am the biggest Flame of Recca fan ever. I never touched the anime. Not one episode. I've read the manga over 10 times. It's just nostalgia that drives you lol. Because that was a butchery |
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ComeInReiAsuka said: Again all of that is just desperation. 1080p>>> I bet REDLINE in theatre's looked better than that. I am the biggest Flame of Recca fan ever. I never touched the anime. Not one episode. I've read the manga over 10 times. It's just nostalgia that drives you lol. Because that was a butchery. You are calling it nostalgia and desperate... Dude you just admitted you never watched Flame of Recca... totally not Bias at all. lol Why should 1080p matter? You going to start dunking on anime from the 2020s when the standard one day becomes 8K? lol |
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Reply to ColourWheel
ComeInReiAsuka said:
Again all of that is just desperation. 1080p>>>
I bet REDLINE in theatre's looked better than that.
I am the biggest Flame of Recca fan ever. I never touched the anime.
Not one episode. I've read the manga over 10 times.
It's just nostalgia that drives you lol. Because that was a butchery.
Again all of that is just desperation. 1080p>>>
I bet REDLINE in theatre's looked better than that.
I am the biggest Flame of Recca fan ever. I never touched the anime.
Not one episode. I've read the manga over 10 times.
It's just nostalgia that drives you lol. Because that was a butchery.
You are calling it nostalgia and desperate... Dude you just admitted you never watched Flame of Recca... totally not Bias at all. lol
Why should 1080p matter? You going to start dunking on anime from the 2020s when the standard one day becomes 8K? lol
| @ColourWheel you mean the incomplete adaptation that doesn't even touch the best part of the series? What actually happens to Kurei in the manga? Can you even answer that? I can. And you missed the entirety of manga Mouri Kouran being the best villain in shonen lmao. I think 1080p is good enough. 8k might be better but let's judge in the future. |
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Reply to LuxuriousHeart
@Impala But to be fair, people who prefer new anime stereotype old anime as well. And tbh, a lot of old anime enthusiasts will watch some new anime. New anime only enjoyers, barely watch anything old. If it's older than Dragon Ball, they ain't watching.
LuxuriousHeart said: @Impala But to be fair, people who prefer new anime stereotype old anime as well. And tbh, a lot of old anime enthusiasts will watch some new anime. New anime only enjoyers, barely watch anything old. If it's older than Dragon Ball, they ain't watching. I tend to agree with this. Even the most cynical older anime enthusiasts know that the ‘good stuff’ hasn’t disappeared. I know some who will dig through the ‘trash’ to find them. Can’t exactly claim the same for the post-2000s-only crowd. Honestly, it’s not a mystery. Most of them are casual consumers who stick to anime that are easy to digest and visually flashy. Classics require effort: slower storytelling, episodic structure, and animation styles that aren’t made to wow immediately. Too subtle, often not “waifuable” enough, and definitely too different from the bingeable hype seasons they’re used to. Anything older than Dragon Ball might as well not exist in their world. |
Reply to Nirinbo
Adnash said:
Shows like Future Boy Conan, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Aoi Blink, Oniisama e, Ginga Nagareboshi Gin, or Jungle Emperor Leo prove there was plenty of genre variety.
Shows like Future Boy Conan, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Aoi Blink, Oniisama e, Ginga Nagareboshi Gin, or Jungle Emperor Leo prove there was plenty of genre variety.
The only original anime among them is Utena which is a mahou shoujo (albeit not a traditional one), the others are all adaptations.
Adnash said:
many adaptations were well-paced and stayed close to their source material. Rose of Versailles told a full story in under 40 episodes. The Captain Harlock anime expanded the original but didn't feel like it was padded with meaningless filler. Maison Ikkoku adapted nearly the whole manga. Fuuma no Kojirou covered the complete story.
many adaptations were well-paced and stayed close to their source material. Rose of Versailles told a full story in under 40 episodes. The Captain Harlock anime expanded the original but didn't feel like it was padded with meaningless filler. Maison Ikkoku adapted nearly the whole manga. Fuuma no Kojirou covered the complete story.
What I said about slow pacing and fillers was actually a problem of TV adaptations of ongoing manga, my bad. Rose of Versailles and Captain Herlock are adaptations of manga that were completed or close to completion at that time, Fuuma no Kojirou is an OVA.
Adnash said:
Ever heard about City Hunter, Hajime no Ippo, or Touch? They all had multiple seasons or follow-ups.
Ever heard about City Hunter, Hajime no Ippo, or Touch? They all had multiple seasons or follow-ups.
City Hunter 2 literally started one week after City Hunter 1, and City Hunter 3 a few months after City Hunter 2. Not "years later"
Hajime no Ippo is post-2000
Touch got TV specials and movies, not sequel seasons
Adnash said:
But lots of TV anime had excellent cel animation too. Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, Utena, Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, Lupin III Part II, and Aim for the Ace!
But lots of TV anime had excellent cel animation too. Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, Utena, Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water, Lupin III Part II, and Aim for the Ace!
Fair point but I don't think they're part of the "vast majority", they're definitely on the upper end of TV anime.
| @Nirinbo And that’s it? Well, I wasn't expecting a ton of counter-examples, but I thought you'd at least offer some kind of counterarguments, lol. Instead, I'm just seeing cherry-picking. That's a pity, but whatever. I ain't gonna write the same post again, just about post-2000s anime instead. Also, my bad about Hajime no Ippo. It started airing in 2000 (Fall, if I remember right), so I figured you might consider it part of the pre-2000s anime group, even though it technically (after taking a look at this franchise in the anime format) belongs to post-2000s. Same with City Hunter; though in that case, I was more trying to point out how sequels used to come out more regularly back then, instead of the years-long waits we often get now. And yeah, mentioning non-TV originals like Dear Brother when talking about genre variety probably needed more context; same with TV anime that greatly expanded the source material, like the aforementioned Captain Harlock. I should've just stuck with more typical picks like Serial Experiments Lain, Cowboy Bebop, or Nadia: The Secret of Blue Water. Maybe you should also consider tweaking your definition of "old anime", as the 1990s stuff really doesn't fit your original points all that well. ;p Anyway, thanks for the discussion. Perhaps other folks posting in this thread will refer to it in one way or another. |
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