Japan's Weekly Manga Rankings for Aug 17 - 23

I forgot to check this.

None of these are my favourite T^T
No problem, there is Sekai-Ichi Hatsukoi this week. Hope it's sells more than Junjou Romantica xD

It only reached 1.55 million AFTER getting an anime (1999) which is less than what SNK reached after getting an anime (2 million+).
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More detailed analyses then:

One Piece anime -> October 20, 1999(only volume 11 came after anime(volume 7, 8, 9 , 10 came before). Anime came 2 Months and 6 days before end of year )
Attack on Titan anime -> April 6, 2013(all volumes of the year: 10, 11, 12. Anime came 8 Months and 24 days before end of year )

Attack on Titan had a 1.11 Million copies right before the anime Like I said before(source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-12-06/attack-on-titan-has-10-million-copies-in-print).


If One Piece needs to have the same print number of Attack on Titan before the anime to have "to do as well without the anime", than at volume 10 it would need an average print number of 1.11 Million copies. If that is so, then in 2 Months and 6 days it increased its print average by 0.44 Million. From 11,1 Million copies with 10 volumes before the anime, to 17 Million copies with 11 volumes by the end of the year, an 5.9 Million increase in copies in print.
Attack on Titan volumes at the time the anime started were printing 1 Million copies first print. If One Piece was doing the same or less, volume 1 to 10 got 4.9 Million copies in print increase or more, by the end of the year. So, in average each volume got a 490 thousand or more print increase in 2 Months and 6 days(In the anime it was the end of Buggy arc). In average is a 98k(each volume) increase per week.

Best Attack on Titan volume in 2013 printed 2.25 Million(source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2014-04-08/manga-with-biggest-1st-printings-from-kodansha-shogakukan-shueisha),
that volume was released in December 9, 21 days before end of year and so 8 Months and 3 days after the anime came. That is 1.15 Million more than volume 10 and 9 1st print, In average is a 36k increase per week.

This let's us to 3 possible conclusions:

- Shueisha, the most profitable manga publisher, was crazy with One Piece and spent huge amounts of money(volume prints), just for the LOLs.

- One Piece got a bigger initial anime boost than Attack on Titan.

- One Piece was doing as well as Attack on Titan before the anime.

Like I said in my first post, I didn't said it was sure, because there I don't have enough data, but the other alternatives seem highly unlikely if not ridiculous.





Do you know about decline in sales? Because it seems like an extraterrestrial concept to you. You're talking of 11 year of sales for One Piece where a ton of things happened. You really believe that One Piece sales numbers only increased during all that time? Don't you know that there are moments of hype in a franchise(Example: Tokyo Ghoul, Haikyuu!!) and moments of decline(Example Bleach).
Why in the world would make you think that in 2008 One Piece was in one of its peak?



Let me give you examples of print numbers(per volume) evolution of One Piece and other series throughout the years:
- 2002 best One Piece volume = 2.60M 1st print, Hunter x Hunter = 1.56M, Prince of Tennis = 1.10M, Naruto = 0.97M
- 2003 best One Piece volume = 2.63M 1st print, Hunter x Hunter = 1.53M, Prince of Tennis = 1.10M, Naruto = 1.33M
- 2005 best One Piece volume = 2,25M 1st print, Hunter x Hunter = 1.56M, Prince of Tennis = 0.72M, Naruto = 1.62M, Bleach 1.19M
- 2006 best One Piece volume = 2,25M 1st print, Hunter x Hunter = 1.56M, Prince of Tennis = 0.50M, Naruto = 1.48M, Bleach 1.31M

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The 2002 article is referring to copies PRINTED, not sold which is still far less impressive than SNK. In 2002 (3 years after getting an anime, One Piece had initial prints of 2.5 million while in 2014 (ONE year after getting an anime), SNK had initial prints of 2.75 million copies. It's obvious which one is more impressive."

Did you forgot the point where Shueisha had to made a REPRINT after 2 weeks?
Also you have this:
Volume 24 -> 2.52M print
Volume 25 -> 2.54M print
Volume 26 -> 2.60M print
Volume 27 -> 2.63M print
(source: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONE_PIECE#.E6.BC.AB.E7.94.BB)

How do explain the fact that the prints of successive volume were getting bigger? Shueisha is crazy and like to spend money in excessive copies of volumes?

What you said and what I responded to, was that One Piece didn't sold 2 Million copies before 2009. Being Attack on Titan Anime boost more impressive than One Piece as nothing to do here.

Attack on Titan volume 12 got a print of 2.25M copies and sold more than 2 Million, so how Volume 24 of One Piece got a print of 2.52 Million and didn't sell 2 Million?
Are you really saying that 520k copies went to the trash and that the following 3 volumes got even more copies to go to the trash?


Now talking of the "more impressive" outside of conversation. I already talked here on MAL(I don't remember with who, maybe it was even with you), that Attack on Titan Anime boost is probably the biggest ever to have happened. Prossible only NANA or DEATH NOTE had a better boost(Though NANA boost had more to do with the Live Action movie).
If you're implying that getting a bigger anime boost means getting better chances of a 2nd boost, I call bullshit to that. I would even argue that is the opposite. After getting such a big fanbase and exposure, is practically impossible to get more of it(And yes this includes One Piece too, the probability of getting even more than what it has right now is almost null).
Attack on Titan being able to grew gradually even more and reaching 3 Millions? Maybe. That will get a 500k boost next year? Super improbable, what some people would call a Miracle. Are you saying that Attack on Titan is a Miracle maker?

Let me use one One Piece example of what I'm talking. You know that one of the reasons for One Piece most recently huge boost was the Strong World movie. Than 3 years later came Film Z, that was even more popular than the previous and even increased One Piece Merchandise, but there were no differences in manga sales, even a little decline. Some people before Film Z, were boosting about how One Piece would get another sales boost and discussing how big it would be, but in the end nothing happened(What do you think will happen with the 2016 movie?).
Attack on Titan also is getting new content after 3 years. Will the anime be popular? Yes(unless Wit fucks up somewhere), will it bring a lot of new fans to boost the series? Probable not.





People said that! Oda personally said that it was totally unexpectedly that kind of popularity urge during that part and that he didn't understood why.

How is having a boost with your anime impossible? That is to be expected. Attack on Titan just got a bigger boost than the rest. Also given is popularity before the anime(a volume with 900k copies sold) a big boost was expected.
You're comparing something that happens almost always, with something that happens rarely. The only thing in common is the "huge/Big" in the Huge/Big Boost.

You understand that speculation means educated guess, right?

@bigivelfhq One piece is getting a new movie next year, I guess since everyone knows about one piece it won't get any significant boost right? Just asking if this applies to one piece as well, since everyone basically is saying one piece will get a boost next year, but surprisingly, you nor anyone else didn't deny that prediction. But when someone says the samething about snk, all hell breaks loose.

So with your facts, one piece chance of getting a significant boost next year should be even lower than snk, right? Or is one piece just special?

It only reached 1.55 million AFTER getting an anime (1999) which is less than what SNK reached after getting an anime (2 million+).


No, here are the 2008 sales data:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-12-19/2008-yearly-japanese-comic-ranking-no.1-25
One Piece was still well below 2 million (1.6).

The 2002 article is referring to copies PRINTED, not sold which is still far less impressive than SNK. In 2002 (3 years after getting an anime, One Piece had initial prints of 2.5 million while in 2014 (ONE year after getting an anime), SNK had initial prints of 2.75 million copies. It's obvious which one is more impressive.



Someone could have said the same thing about One Piece in 2008 but see where we're now. This is all speculation but my point is, SNK has shown already that just like One Piece, it can do the impossible.[/quote]
The sales of 2008 Arent that correct Oricon didnt count the sales that well before 2010 or 2011.

Don't make things up, One Piece didnn't have an average of 1.55 million pre anime, it only had 1 Million (6 million copies printed for 6 volumes).
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It only reached 1.55 million AFTER getting an anime (1999) which is less than what SNK reached after getting an anime (2 million+).


No, here are the 2008 sales data:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-12-19/2008-yearly-japanese-comic-ranking-no.1-25
One Piece was still well below 2 million (1.6).

The 2002 article is referring to copies PRINTED, not sold which is still far less impressive than SNK. In 2002 (3 years after getting an anime, One Piece had initial prints of 2.5 million while in 2014 (ONE year after getting an anime), SNK had initial prints of 2.75 million copies. It's obvious which one is more impressive.



Someone could have said the same thing about One Piece in 2008 but see where we're now. This is all speculation but my point is, SNK has shown already that just like One Piece, it can do the impossible.

When you say new fans, how many are you talking? around 500 thousand of them?
Also note that "people that didn't like the first season, but still went ahead and read the manga" don't make part of the new fans from the second season.



Me being an huge One Piece fan has nothing to do with it. I'm also an huge Attack on Titan fan, I'm just not a vocal one, at least not how I am for One Piece.
Why would Attack on Titan selling more threaten in any way, the as you say, "holy grail" known as One Piece? If you saw my posts over the Internet you should know that I'm not the kind of guy to care about that.

"so you had to come and try and spoil the fun, or at least destroy any little hope we had", So your little hope was somebody just saying that Attack on Titan will get a 500k boost next year, because of the anime? So me saying that is extremely improbable killed your hope. You know that you can even hope for the impossible, right?

Is not about being possible, but how probable it is. Possible goes from, edge of almost impossible to edge of almost certain. If we go by that, people can talk any ridiculous thing without anybody being able to argue against it.

Do you know how many manga ever got a bigger manga fanbase(in terms of yearly sales) as the current Attack on Titan?
Exactly 1 series, One Piece. Attack on Titan is right now the 2nd biggest series ever, right above Slam Dunk.

Do you know how many manga ever got a big/significant boost after already having one before?
At least since 1997, exactly 1, One Piece(that had 3: Anime Year, Alabasta hype, Sabaondy Separation Hype).

A series normally grows gradually, than gets a pretty huge boost with the anime or any other form of media that spreads the knowledge of the series, and then starts again to grow gradually until reaching a stagnant point, that stays for sometime and than starts to decrease gradually. This is a simplified series life.

Do you know how many other manga got another season(2nd, 3rd or anything after that) that significantly boosted its sales again?
Possible the only one I know is Hunter x Hunter and that grew 102k in first year of the 2011 anime, 46.5k in the second and 103k in the third.
Thinking again about it, I don't know if I should call that a significant boost.
Tokyo Ghoul 2nd season, Fairy Tail(2014), Kuroko no Basket 2nd and 3rd season, ... None got such a significant boost in sales from the new anime.
And Attack on Titan Live-Action, what did it do? For now the current volume has 100k copies more than the previous one in around the same time.

Is the second season content so amazing that brings so big expectations? Comparatively with the 1st season I would say they have around the same quality(a lot of people complained about the political arc, but I liked it and don't think the reasons for the complains had any merit).



Agafin said "Not even One Piece did this well without an anime", that almost certainly not true.
Said " OP started publishing in 1997 but only reached 2 million per volume per year in 2009 (after 12 years)", that is obviously wrong. Said "So why exactly can't SNK reach 3 million if One Piece did?", this is a case of trying to strengthening a defense with a rare case. Because rare cases are exceptions in the end it doesn't help at all. In this case we have that, One Piece is the only series ever to reach 3 Million in a year and it was due to an much unexpected boost in popularity. One Piece right now is a singularity!

None of the points that I quoted Agafin were good points, so I don't see how it was unnecessary my argument. Also I don't see why is unnecessary to argue about bad points, just because the person has also good ones.

There's another way snk can gain new fans. There's a possibility that people that didn't like the first season may like the second season and therefore may buy the manga volumes. I've seen countless people that didn't like the first season, but still went ahead and read the manga and now there opinion has change.

You also said the series will need a destabalizing factor to increase again. Which is possible. So basically Agafin made a prediction that snk will probably increase in sales in the future, and you as a "huge" one piece fans who's comment is mostly about one piece and I'm not talking only on myanimelist as well, since I've seen you on various anime/manga related website as well. You didn't like what Agafin said since his statement threatens the holy grail known as one piece, so you had to come and try and spoil the fun, or at least destroy any little hope we had. Lol

You made some good points. I'm not denying that, but Agafin also made good points, what he said isn't impossible, so I don't know why you had to start up this unnecessary argument. Honestly, you guys can be annoying at times.

really weird entries for me
aren't there more interesting to read other than those

Yay for Nanatsu no Taizai, AoT, Chihayafuru, Kimi ni Todoke, Prison School, and some others lol

Oofuri??!?
Baby Steps?!?
Hoozuki no Reitetsu??!!
Chihayafuru??!

Oh my God, what is this? Awesome!! It makes me so happy to see those titles on the list, in top 10 no less. :) More anime of these please!

Thank you for this in 2002 one piece was breaking records and selling over 2 million copies thats amazing.

Youre sooo right.

You shouldn't be doing bold statements when you don't have the data!



An anime normally starts after 2 or 3 years of the beginning of the manga, its normally called "new" to an anime that is still only at the manga coverage stage.

Like I said, you don't have One Piece data, so why are you saying "Not even One Piece did this well without an anime"?

The data we have states that One Piece right before the anime had an average of 1.55 Million copies per volume, while Attack on Titan had 1.11 Million copies. This is a difference of 440k copies per volume. Is almost impossible that One Piece with such print numbers didn't had sales bigger than the ones of Attack on Titan did before the anime.



Again bold statement without data "... OP started publishing in 1997, but only reached 2 million per volume per year in 2009 (after 12 years)".

The data we have is that One Piece was the faster series to reach 100 Million copies in print with its volume 36(2005), that gives an average of 2,78 Million copies per volume.

We have the data that in 2003(between volume 27 and 31) One Piece surpassed Slam Dunk 2.50 Million copies 1st print record, by printing 2.63 Million copies.
From 2003 to 2013 nobody else broke Slam Dunk record. Only in April 9 of 2013 Attack on Titan volume 13 broke it by having a 1st print of 2.75 Million(the previous best volume of Attack on Titan was volume 12 with 2.2 Million 1st print).

Also recently found this information: https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-07-10/one-piece-breaks-sales-record
While the news probably confused sales for print, it means that One Piece in reality surpassed Slam Dunk 1st print numbers in 2002 with volume 24(The one right after Alabasta). Also the news say that after 2 weeks Shueisha had to make a 2nd print of the volume. Meaning that in a lot of the stores the volume was already sold out and there was more demand.

Everything indicates that One Piece sold more than 2 Million copies per volume way before 2009, there are even indication that it surpassed that in the 1st year of the anime(2.31 million copies per volume, an 767k print increase per volume) or the year right after(2.57 million copies per volume, an 261k print increase per volume).


"Why exactly can't SNK reach 3 million if One Piece did? " Because something like this happening is highly improbable. It was a huge surprise for that to happen to One Piece already.
Almost everybody, if not everybody, already knows about Attack on Titan in Japan, so probably all potential readers already tried reading it. A new season of the anime hardly will bring new readers to the franchise. Right now Attack on Titan already reached or is close to reach its stability phase. The series will need an destabilizing factor to increase again. For example being able to bring readers that normally wouldn't read the series, even after hearing about it all the time.

It already reached 2.3~2.4 million in 2014, so no it's not farfetched. It will have two live action movies and one live action tv series this year, so 2.5 million may actually be exceeded.

i'm sorry but you are deluded if you think one of SNK volumes will reach 2.5m ( Regular + limited edition ) maybe that will happen when the next season comes out

With the second season and a movie with new content SnK can easily be the most popular manga in the next couple of years.

With new I meant the Anime boost. And that was the most it could do. It wont reach One Piece popularity. It will get smaller and smaller and in some years ill end while One Piece is always strong and is on top and will continue very long.

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SNK vpolumes have also increased in sales as I said and proved. I too am predicting 3.2 million for OP vol 76 just like I'm predicting 2.5 million for SNK vol 15, so yeah, 700k gap.



SNK wasn't new lol. It's first volume was released in 2010.
Its fans weren't exactly "new" either. By 2011, it was already selling nearly 900k per volume. That's 2 years before getting an anime (and just one year after serialisation).

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-30/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-volume/2011
Not even One Piece did this well without an anime.

So why exactly can't SNK reach 3 million if One Piece did? Keep in mind that OP started publishing in 1997 but only reached 2 million per volume per year in 2009 (after 12 years) while SNK started in 2010 and reached that level in 2013 (after only 3 years).

The 1.2 million sales from shingeki were because it started new and it had new fans then. But if you already have like 2 million fans you dont get much more. It simply stops. One Piece is a big exception in whole of manga industry.

Why r u talking about 2014 sales? Volume 76 already surpassed all one piece volumes that got released at 2014 in 5 months.At the end of the year we we will see all the volumes of one piece above 3 million. And i predict we will see volume 76 at 3.2 million or more at the end of the year. So thats a million copies gap for you.