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I think what we got was meh. If the anime does return one day. They should learn from the mistakes and make the anime better.

I don't understand what is the big problem for animating the manga panel by panel. I got nothing against Toei but they gotta improve their animes

Expecting perfect adaptation with everything in it is expecting to much. When it comes to the real world there is a ton of problems, restrictions and interests about adapting an anime to Television. Even Attack on Titan got a lot of tone down(or censorship if you want to call it that way), and it aired at night.

Also sometimes adaptations get some significant differences from the source material, for example Gegege no Kitaro anime(also made by Toei anime), has a lot of differences from the manga, and I'm talking of all the 5 versions of it, and Gegege no Kitaro is the most popular series of the Youkai genre, and what could be called as the genre pioneer. Only in 2008, 41 years after the beginning of the 1st version, was the manga accurately animated in Television in a Night Time-slot, though the volumes weren't fully adapted(I believe)

About Toriko I think what we got was pretty good, it wasn't as well adapted as One Piece(One Piece isn't either perfectly adapted), but it was enough. The thing I have more problems is how they rushed the beginning, making the Rainbow Fruit and the Puffer Whale arc go so fast. I didn't have that much of a problem with the original ending. I thought it was pretty well done in overall, with the only problem being how they handled Jiro and Setsuno.

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What I mean, is that the manga was depressing to animate for a children audience. The Gourmet world is even worse and I couldn't even imagine them animating Bambina's balls or people losing their souls in Area 6. Even Acacia that is now appearing in the manga isn't something for a children audience. He's ripping and eating Blue Nitro's."

In the exact same time-slot of Toriko Toei was airing Gegege no Kitaro, a Youkai Horror story. Being depressing is certainly not a problem. Is like saying that Studio Pierrot wouldn't do Naruto part 2(Shippuuden) because the 2nd part is a lot more depressing. As I already said, that wouldn't throw away any animation studio, unless what you're talking is really really bad. Toriko Gormet World arc is nowhere close to that bad. So certainly that is not the reason.
Also if that was really a problem they could just change the time-slot of the show!

Also you think they wouldn't show Bambina balls? Toei animation is the studio that adapted all Dragon Ball and Dr. Slump sex jokes. And the studio that made the One Piece Amazong Lily arc. Adapting Bambina balls(that weren't really that much), isn't in any way a problem.

Do you know how popular HxH(2011) was? Not as much as you think! Nippon Animation adaptation was a lot of times more popular and that still was less popular than One Piece adaptation(Note that Nippon Animation HxH adaptation came in the same year and season that Toei animation One Piece).

Yep, showing episode 5 where there was bad animation obviously because of scheduling issues is such a convincing argument.

Ufotable didn't do a couple of Toriko episodes as OVA, they just did 1 episode to Jump Festa. One Piece also got one OVA for Jump Festa(at the time called Jump Super Anime Tour) before Toei anime and it was made by Production I.G. -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DDYGDHIabI

Just like One Piece OVA did nothing bad to its TV adaptation, Toriko OVA also didn't do anything.

Getting first an OVA in Jump Festa before getting the TV anime is something that Jump does a lot of times. Assassination Classroom(Brain's Base), HunterXHunter(Studio Pierrot->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpL9b0DnqpM), Leader Den Takeshi, Gintama(Sunrise), Toriko(Ufotable), One Piece(Production I.G)

Toriko feats better Madhouse? No, it doesn't. So you're talking bad about Toriko desings being just copy paste of One Piece is because you wanted it to have Hunter x Hunter designs. OK.
Also do you understand that if Toriko was made by madhouse you wouldn't even get a 3 years adaptation of it right? The only reason Madhouse made 3 years of Hunter x Hunter is because it already had the content and it would make no sense to grab the franchise again if it wasn't to show the content not adapted before. Madhouse is more of a Season animation studio! They rarely do long running. Worse for Ufotable!

I don't see what the problem with HxH in Toei style. Would end up being something similar with Nippon animation and Studio Pierrot HxH versions style.
In reality a lot of people complained about the color palette and the character designs that Madhouse used for the remake!
Here a Gegege no Kitaro(2007) a Youkai series by Toei animation: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2zvuak, Toei would certainly create HxH with a similar mood.

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Well you are correct but Toei can't show the blood in the morning, that's why it's better to air it in the evening. IMO, Toriko isn't for kids (under 12) and it isn't only for adults either. One Piece to me falls in a audience of all ages.

The Toriko vs Starjun fight was censored like crazy and I don't know if they want to do this series justice, then they should at least air the show later. I find it insulting how much they changed the series and censored it. I'm not sure if you feel the same way.

What I mean, is that the manga was depressing to animate for a children audience. The Gourmet world is even worse and I couldn't even imagine them animating Bambina's balls or people losing their souls in Area 6. Even Acacia that is now appearing in the manga isn't something for a children audience. He's ripping and eating Blue Nitro's.

It sucks that Toriko series will never get an anime and it ended on a bad note. Right now, I'm doubting if it will ever return. I used to be optimistic and think that it could return once the manga is over and it will fall in the hands of another studio. I just want an anime that does the manga justice, by that I mean having low to minimal censorship and including a narrator. The minimal narrations bothered me but this is coming from a Toriko fan who was with the manga since near the beginning.

The manga sales will decline now. It seems like it's getting rushed now, doesn't it?

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If Toei animates HxH it would of been than Madhouse's anime. It'd be way more successful. Even the Toriko anime was a bigger success than Madhouse's HxH anime. The only thing HxH anime had over Toriko anime was it's superior movie sales I think.

Toei's animation is inconsistent because they outsource a lot. Madhouse releases a lot of seasonal anime and sells their anime with a lot of Blu-ray, that could explain why the animation/art is better than Toei.

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The sales have gone down, but have stabilized somewhat, the manga ranking are up and middle, I'm sure the bambina arc had good rankings for a while and now it's in the middle again.

Toriko says it all the time, he has no grudge or hate it's just to eat.
Especially in the beginning where he couldn't care less if komatsu died.
Blood shows the brutalness and realness of the situation especially with how intense toriko fights get.

See db super? XD the quality is nowhere near what it was.
If they actually cared about toriko they would have done better sakuga scenes when it counted.


And ufotable doing a couple of episodes as OVA sure didn't help either when it changed to toei


It did get popular but not as popular as would have gotten if it had a better studio like madhouse which fits it better.

Imagine HXH in toei style XD XD XD

I was just making a loose guess here, but the manga volumes also decreased and in the magazine Toriko went from 3rd and 4th place to 9th and 10th place. Is not like it stayed stable in manga form.

Toriko was never mainly about eat or be eaten, nor survival of the fittest. What are you talking? The series is about a food hunter that goes in adventures to look for food and that only kills what is edible. Where is the " eat or be eaten"? Is all about going in adventures to eat tings. What about "survival of the fittest"? This a story about an hunter that goes out of his way to hunt and where he constantly power ups to be able to beat stronger and stronger animals that also get more and more delicious. Is not about being the fittest in order to survive, but about progressing to be able to find more stuff to eat.
While this themes(eat or be eaten, survival of the fittest) sometimes appear in Toriko, they aren't predominant nor that frequent. Also I totally don't see how the anime adaptation removed those aspects(including wildness). Or are you saying that by showing blood and gore the show is presenting the "wildness", "eat or be eaten" and "survival of the fittest" themes and removing that is not?

Toriko style is not One Piece one! Though is a very Toei animation characteristic style. If you say that Toriko is just a copy past of One Piece style, than by that Logic One Piece is a Dragon Ball copy paste style, and Dragon Ball is a Dr. Slump copy paste style, and Dr. Slump a Gegege no Kitaro copy paste style, ... Well Gegege no Kitaro, Dr. Slump, Dragon Ball and One Piece are highly popular, between the anime series most loved, so Toriko by copy pasting isn't being undermined, the opposite even.

"would attack on titan be as popular if it got a mediocre one piece level art and animation?" -> Would One Piece be as popular if it got a mediocre one piece level art and animation? And Dragon Ball? And Digimon? And Gash Bell? And Doremi? And Precure? And Kindaichi Cases Files? And Saint Seiya? And Sailor Moon? And Gegege no Kitaro? And ...

Is a fact that with the "level of art" and "animation" of One Piece a ton, but really a ton, of series got Super popular. Toriko also got Popular, unfortunately not in the level of One Piece, Digimon, Slam Dunk, Sailor Moon and Dragon Ball, ...
Attack on Titan has nothing to do with this! Specially if you want to compare a seasonal series like Attack on Titan, compare it with another of Toei seasonal series, like Mononoke or Hakabe no Kitaro, that are/were Super Popular as well.

Note that most of One Piece watchers and readers are Adults.

I never said that if removed blood/gore then it's for children. With the blood/gore is still for children! The reason of them removing the blood/gore and like smoking and drinking is because of TV politics and not about it being for children. The magazine show it and is still for children and most popular with them. In japan violence and sexuality is shown way earlier than a lot of western countries. That is why there is a lot of Ecchi series in Shounen Magazines and why Weekly Shounen Magazine and Sunday show real life girls sexually posing in the covers and inside of theirs magazines. Hayate no Gotoku! satirically talks about the 3 things that "make" a SHOUNEN series popular(Ecchi, Violence, Gore): http://mangatraders.org/read-online/HayateTheCombatButler/chapter-505/index-1

I also didn't said that the blood/gore was there for no reason. I said that it was a little part of what Toriko is. Totally different things.



You say that Toriko belongs in a later time-slot right? Let's take a fast and overall look at the series.

Themes and Genre: 100% supernatural Fighting manga full with Power levels, big increases in power and ridiculous destruction. Adventuring and Eating together with your friends.

Setting: A world where EVERYTHING, is centered in food. From Television entertainment to the resolution of wars.

Characters designs: Caricatures or ridiculous proportions. Ultra Buffed characters, with to much Testosterone. All ridiculous kinds of monsters, where most are created by the fans(making a direct interaction with its audience! How old do you think majority of people that contribute are?).

Powers/Attacks: Forks and Knifes coming for characters hands and legs. Multiple types of poison, Hair attacks, ..

Story: Going in Adventures to look for the Full Course and stop the enemies to eat all the food from the world.

All of this makes Toriko 90% Shounen directed to Shounen, A.K.A Male Kids.


"Toei was forced to give an anime only ending since the manga was depressing. I can't believe you actually said it belongs even more than One Piece. It screams teenagers yes but not kids."

What? Not it wasn't. Do you really believe Toei, or any high profile Animation Studio, would end a highly profitable series because it became depressing? Of course NOT. It would need an incredible high levels of Sadomasochism and Sexual content(Like Hentai level or almost that) for it to get a forced ending(Golden Boy received that kind of treatment and that was a Seinen, and it deserved that fate).

The thing is that Toriko Domestic Licensing started with 234 Million yen in its first year, got to 167 Million in the 2nd and decreased to 88 Million in the third. Not only that but Dragon Ball Kai the previous series from Toriko Time-slot that was left not finished went from 343 to 408 Million in Toriko first year, increased to 498 Million in the second year and kept it in the 3rd. Finishing Dragon Ball Kai was obvious the best option, because not only it had better sales than Toriko, but it was increasing even without a TV animation, while Toriko was in decline. And it wasn't only in Domestic Licensing, Toriko Movie got only 1,635 DVD/BD copies sold and 137 Million yen in theaters, while Dragon Ball was getting 82,493 DVD/BD copies sold and 3,042 Million yen in theaters(50 times in DVD/BD and 22 times in Box office).

In the end changing for Dragon Ball Kai shown to be a good decision given that next year Dragon Ball Kai increased from 498 Millions to 611 Millions in Domestic Licensing. That brought a new Dragon Ball series and a new Movie.

What in the end made Toriko anime end was its performance and the fact that the direct competition, Dragon Ball, was making way better. If you want to blame something, blame Dragon Ball Success.




Watched all the anime, and I'm in the latest chapter of the manga. I'm a Toriko fan!

Something having some themes that you consider that aren't for kids, don't make something not for kids. Important are the predominant things. Kids will just look at the rest and not care about it.

Dragon Ball and Dr. Slump had sex jokes all the time, They are still one of the best kid and teenagers anime ever. for example Dr. Slump had an entire episode about Arale missing her pu**y: http://img1.mangasee.co/s/DrSlump/0001-038.png
Even One Piece has themes that aren't for kids(a lot more than Toriko) and Oda makes it directed at 14 years old kids.

The blood/gore adds to that. It's not just for looks.

Yeah and there's themes in Toriko that aren't for kids. I wonder if he reads Toriko.

lol tell that to the manga fans XD
And it's not about blood and gore, it's about wildness, eat or be eaten, survival of the fittest.
and toriko didn't even get a style suited for it, just a one piece copy paste.
would attack on titan be as popular if it got a mediocre one piece level art and animation?

Makes sense and I know the anime was a success. I just want to point out the manga isn't for children. You can't just brush it off like that and say if you remove the blood/gore then it's for children. The blood/gore is there for a reason and has been present there since the first chapter. It serves it's purpose to setup the world of Toriko.

I watched the anime entirely ever since it aired in 2011 and been a long time Toriko manga fan. It's not a great adaptation and does belong in a later time slot.

Toriko's recent arcs have been dark and the series has a lot of those moments in general but has a lot of comedic moments to counter balance it. One Piece anime is aimed for teens and has blood but Toriko doesn't? Yeah, makes no sense.

Toei was forced to give an anime only ending since the manga was depressing. I can't believe you actually said it belongs even more than One Piece. It screams teenagers yes but not kids.

Well Toei still earns money from Re-airs,Merchandise and every kind of overseas licensing of Toriko. Cancelling their rights would be basically giving up the entirety of the franchise. I don't see that happening, at least not this soon after the anime.

Note that Madhouse HxH remake was done 7 entire years after the last episode of Nippon Animation adaptation(that had to end because of Togashi incompetence). Also Nippon Animation for quite sometime is only focusing in Chibi Maruko-Chan(frequently the 2nd Top rated TV anime series in Japan). So it makes sense of them letting the franchise go. Though I don't know if they left the rights of the series, is possible that they just let Madhouse adapt it in exchange of royalties.

In reality Toei animation also allows others to adapt their series sometimes, but only after a really long time of inactivity and when they don't really have any more plans of doing something with the series. For example we have Hokuto no Ken where Toei anime ended in 1988 and in 2003(25 years later) A.C.G.T made new content with the franchise, in 2006(28 years later) Studio APPP, in 2007(29 years later) TMS Entertainment and a ton others. Just Next season Ajia-do Animation Works will do a Spin-Off of the franchise.

Basically, it would only bring disadvantages to let a franchise go so soon. Doesn't matter what Studio or right holder. So that happening with a Big Company like Toei animation is unlikely.

A lot of people like to talk about Toriko not belonging in the morning, but the truth is that it totally belongs, even more than One Piece. The story, the characters, the powers, the themes, the settings. Everything just screams Kids and Teenagers.
The only thing that it has to much to show on TV is the blood and gore/dismemberment that in reality is just a little part of what the show is(note that while morning is more strict the night also has boundaries in what can or not show).
The fact that the series was popular with the kids was specially shown with the popularity of the anime and in which audience it was more popular, Kids between 4-12 years. By episode 29(28 without the 1st episode special) Toriko got an Overall TV rating of 8.0, but 13.1% for kids 4 to 12 years. At the time that was the best rating the series got. Also the Merchandise for Kids was selling amazing becoming the 4th best selling domestic(Japan) license of Toei animation.
By Toei information the series was a hit in Weekly Shonen Jump between Elementary Kids. Also the author of the series, Shimabukuro is known to be specially good with that kind of audience. Probably because of the characters designs and powers his stories have.

The strategy employed in Toriko was a well planned one, and the results were Great. Unfortunately after 3 years the series lost is initial fire, probably because it was the kind of series where after the kids grow, they don't want anything with the series anymore.
A 3 years series is already a great achievement. Slam Dunk and Saint Seiya only had 2 years adaptations. And they were super popular.

Note: A little nitpicks. Precure that is one of the series that Toei airs in the morning, is an anime for young girls, so Shoujo. Also not to long ago(when Toriko was running and even after), Toei had series airing in the afternoon/evening(Marvel Disk Wars: Avengers, Majin Bone and Kindaichi Cases Files). Next season Kindaichi Cases Files will get a 2nd season in the afternoon.


About Sunrise and Toriko's adaptation, the most likely is the collaboration. Though both collaboration and entirety is unlikely. Normally when the an animation studio gets the rights of a series, that series will be exclusively of that animation studio for at least a decade. Remember other animation studios are competition, even if they are in good relations.

I see, I never knew that. What if Toei cancels the Toriko anime or has no plans of animating the series, are the chances still almost null? I just assumed that since HxH got it's own anime after being animated by Nippon. Toei doesn't animate series that have a lot of blood/gore so I don't know if they wouldn't mind giving it off to another studio. Nowadays they relay on their shonen animes to be aired in the morning which Toriko shouldn't have. It should be aired in the evening/night.

Tell me which option is more likely. (sunrise animating Toriko entirely or collab.)

Toei cut out a sht ton of things, and toriko's manga pacing is fast and almost never takes breaks, I actually welcome fillers with toriko's vast world, I wonder what madhouse can come up with.

What kind of bullshit is that? Showing a screenshot (That was an actual full frame from the episode that was not cropped or zoomed whatsoever) from the adaptation has nothing to do with the adaptation? The Toei one piece adaptation is bad in every way, there is nothing to talk about.

Ah, didn't read well your question. Sorry.

A series doesn't change hands that easily, copyrights laws ensure that. A series adaptation that is owned by a production committee, where the animation studio doesn't make part of it, is easy to change animation studios. In this cases the studio is basically just hired by the committee to do a certain work, so the committee can choose anytime to contract somebody else.

Majority of series made by Toei animation are owned by Toei, not a Committee, and so not dictated by choosing another studio. The latest series that I know that Toei did by contract was "Marvel Disk Wars: The Avengers" where Disney Japan was the contractor. Toriko anime adaptation is owned by Toei, so the possibility of another studio adapting is almost null, at least in the near future.

By Sunrise animating Toriko are you talking of a collaboration with Toei, or entirely?

Huh? What's that suppose to mean? I'm not only talking about Madhouse. I don't even care about them. The studio I have in mind for animating Toriko is like Sunrise, who are friends with Toei.

Toei isn't Madhouse, they are doing One Piece for as long as 16 years with no end in sight. But even given that is unlikely for Toei to continue a previously interrupted Long running series.

So basically you're saying that Toriko will never get an anime other than by Toei?

Hunter x Hunter was Madhouse's biggest TV anime endeavor! That took 3 years and 148 episodes; Toriko by Toei had 147 episodes and ended in March 30, 2014. So no, if Toriko was adapted by Madhouse would have already ended.