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So the European Union has drafted this new bill , which, for the most part is pretty neat, but there's one bit that concerns me.

The part which says,

Tech companies would be compelled to set up new policies and procedures to remove flagged hate speech, terrorist propaganda and other material defined as illegal by countries within the European Union.

I say this because sexual depictions of minors is illegal in countries like France and UK, and this includes fictional and animated depictions.

Now, this rule hasn't been enforced that hard, cuz who cares, but now, the platforms themselves will remove content like Highschool DxD or Haganai, and this includes platforms like Amazon, as they sell the DVDs and Blu Ray's for these shows and naturally, Google might remove the Crunchyroll versions of these shows too, so as to not be heavily fined.

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go back to piracy then so no problem?
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deg said:
go back to piracy then so no problem?

This is bad news for the industry on a whole, because licencing these series in these regions bring in a lot of money to the producers, so this move might discourage the higher ups from making ecchi anime all together or if they do, it'll be toned down like The Greatest Demon Lord (Murabito A), from this season.
Jun 8, 2022 9:27 PM
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Alphonae said:
deg said:
go back to piracy then so no problem?

This is bad news for the industry on a whole, because licencing these series in these regions bring in a lot of money to the producers, so this move might discourage the higher ups from making ecchi anime all together or if they do, it'll be toned down like The Greatest Demon Lord (Murabito A), from this season.


ecchi anime have been getting obsolete for over a decade now though, its a dying genre like mecha genre is
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deg said:
Alphonae said:

This is bad news for the industry on a whole, because licencing these series in these regions bring in a lot of money to the producers, so this move might discourage the higher ups from making ecchi anime all together or if they do, it'll be toned down like The Greatest Demon Lord (Murabito A), from this season.


ecchi anime have been getting obsolete for over a decade now though, its a dying genre like mecha genre is

While the amount of ecchi anime nowadays are very less, compared to a deacde ago, the genre is actually still around and has a strong presence, unlike mecha.
Jun 8, 2022 9:36 PM
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Kind of a shame limiting money to the anime industry by woke boomer politicians. Since most anime girls are less than 18, I wonder how far they will go to enforce such a rule.
Jun 8, 2022 9:40 PM
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Alphonae said:
deg said:


ecchi anime have been getting obsolete for over a decade now though, its a dying genre like mecha genre is

While the amount of ecchi anime nowadays are very less, compared to a deacde ago, the genre is actually still around and has a strong presence, unlike mecha.


sure but its not as profitable as other genre like battle shonen is though the ecchi genre is getting more into niche market or small market territory
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It's impossible to ban anything when the internet exists. You can even get working 3d printed firearms neatly packaged in a torrent so inappropriate anime won't be that hard to get.
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deg said:
Alphonae said:

While the amount of ecchi anime nowadays are very less, compared to a deacde ago, the genre is actually still around and has a strong presence, unlike mecha.


sure but its not as profitable as other genre like battle shonen is though the ecchi genre is getting more into niche market or small market territory

And that small market is being threatned even more.
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Theo1899 said:
It's impossible to ban anything when the internet exists. You can even get working 3d printed firearms neatly packaged in a torrent so inappropriate anime won't be that hard to get.

I've already mentioned this, but the real problem is, that, this, is bad news for the industry on a whole, because licencing these series in these regions bring in a lot of money to the producers, so this move might discourage the higher ups from making ecchi anime all together or if they do, it'll be toned down like The Greatest Demon Lord (Murabito A), from this season.
Jun 8, 2022 9:48 PM
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Alphonae said:
deg said:


sure but its not as profitable as other genre like battle shonen is though the ecchi genre is getting more into niche market or small market territory

And that small market is being threatned even more.


the point is its not gonna get more profitable now anyway so let it die? sexual fanservice might still exist anyway
Jun 8, 2022 9:56 PM
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Oh....so it's not about anime as a whole, then it doesn't affect me at all since i don't watch those types of anime or care about them to begin with.
Jun 8, 2022 9:58 PM

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is this gonna be like those times they "banned" anime, "banned" lolis, and "banned" piracy?

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sexual depictions of minors is illegal
shouldn't this affect only like loli henti shows? random pantsu shots and actual sexual depiction seem worlds apart
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Oh....so it's not about anime as a whole, then it doesn't affect me at all since i don't watch those types of anime or care about them to begin with.


hmm, is that so? Cuz iirc, the little girl from Tegamibachi has this quirk of running around with no pants on.
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g1l said:
is this gonna be like those times they "banned" anime, "banned" lolis, and "banned" piracy?

The difference this time, is that the ones held accountable, are the websites themselves, not the individuals doing this shit, so there will be stringent monitering, to what I observe.
Jun 8, 2022 10:20 PM

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So dumb...why do people waste time trying to force these kinda policies onto fictional characters? Who cares about the rights of drawings? Don't they have more important shit to worry about...
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epidemia78 said:
Dauphine said:
Oh....so it's not about anime as a whole, then it doesn't affect me at all since i don't watch those types of anime or care about them to begin with.


hmm, is that so? Cuz iirc, the little girl from Tegamibachi has this quirk of running around with no pants on.


First, Tegamibachi is neither a ecchi nor a lolicon anime, in fact, it's actually a very wholesome and emotional anime.

Second, in those scenes nothing is ever shown, it is only implied that she wears no underwear and it's just used as a running gag rather than it being for sexual fanservice.

Third, there's so much more to the anime than that and you summing it up with that one running gag is not only misleading but unfair to the anime as well.
Jun 8, 2022 10:50 PM

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Did the UK BRENTER after BREXITing?

Also I checked and I'm highly skeptical on how will this pan out. Doesn't seem much different than the previous dozens of times random governative enterprises tried to ban lolis, this time it isn't even the primary goal of the regulation.
Jun 8, 2022 11:00 PM

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Any thoughts?

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Jun 8, 2022 11:33 PM

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These are my thoughts, don't read to much in to them.

Jun 8, 2022 11:44 PM

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Yeah, it's not like this has been tried countless times before and always failed to get off the ground or anything. I wouldn't put too much stock in this just yet, OP.
Jun 9, 2022 12:04 AM

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More ecchi anime with 18 yo girls like Keijo!!!!!!!! instead of high schoolers? I'm all against censorship, but in this case I wouldn't mind actually
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Anime is a very expensive hobby anyway, even in America. My big Virgo friend got ripped off by Aniplex and spent a lot of money on physical media anime-wise. She even paid several streaming services for anime. Yes, that means Funiroll.

For the record, only children's anime get proper ADR or Greek dubbing in well Greece. Says a Greek. Netflix barely even features anime there too.

A German babe once told me not too long ago that most anime don't get proper licensing in her country either. So everyone in central Europe is forced to use whatever English anime streaming sites that they could find.

Future Macross movies are coming to Europe, sure! But anime will remain a niche form of entertainment.

Like someone said, ecchi anime are very stale. Besides, I'm not into waifu bait, isekai or generic battle shounen. The most enthralled genres in America.
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I don't care, the internet is so vast, I once went to an anime pirate site and it was such a beautiful scenery
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from the time eu funded co-productions with Japan, now they got rid of Anime alltogether.

Jun 9, 2022 12:59 AM
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Anime almost don't exist (in legal way) at Poland so lmao, it will most likely have no effect as we're the black sheep of Union and very often says No and almost get hit with serious consequences for being stubborn like polish (just type "free lgbt zone" in google so you'll know how far extreme my lovely country is), the only bad news for us are in the east since decades so we don't focus that much on the other stuff coming from West.
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"Tech companies would be compelled to set up new policies and procedures to remove flagged hate speech, terrorist propaganda and other material defined as illegal by countries within the European Union."

Oh nooo, they will ban Masha And The Bear for indoctrinating hatred against little girls, wolfs, rabbits...and practically all living things except bears.
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In the first place, that's not even what the law is about...secondly, as always, every EU country can decide themselves how exactly they want to implement EU law into their national laws, so just because something is illegal in France doesn't mean it's illegal anywhere else (and UK isn't part of the EU anymore btw).

Literally nothing will change, and if it did, people would just do what 95% of anime fans already do anyways and watch stuff on sites that don't give a damn about laws in general. I don't necessarily condone that, but I've always been in a tiny minority regarding that.

That said, I'd personally be very happy if ecchi ceased to exist. It has always been a blight upon anime and I'd enjoy it so much more if it was gone :P
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That said, I'd personally be very happy if ecchi ceased to exist. It has always been a blight upon anime and I'd enjoy it so much more if it was gone :P

Here's a solution since it's so hard for people here to understand: Don't click on or watch ecchi anime, problem solved. Just because you don't like, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. K thanks bye.
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Tropisch said:
SleepySera said:


That said, I'd personally be very happy if ecchi ceased to exist. It has always been a blight upon anime and I'd enjoy it so much more if it was gone :P

Here's a solution since it's so hard for people here to understand: Don't click on or watch ecchi anime, problem solved. Just because you don't like, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. K thanks bye.


You're right about 'Just because you don't like, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist.'
However, it's not as easy as you say, sometimes you will get ecchied in an anime without ecchi tag.

Now we know that Kitagawa-san's anime has ecchi, but it doesn't have the tag
If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time.

Watch more movies, please.

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Tropisch said:

Here's a solution since it's so hard for people here to understand: Don't click on or watch ecchi anime, problem solved. Just because you don't like, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. K thanks bye.

Oh the world would be such a beautiful place if ecchi was limited to ecchi anime 🤭
Sadly that's not the case. It leaks into all other genres, all the time. The only way to avoid it is pretty much to just not watch any anime at all, which I'm not gonna do, because I like a lot of other stuff about the medium in general 🤷‍♀️
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SleepySera said:
Tropisch said:

Here's a solution since it's so hard for people here to understand: Don't click on or watch ecchi anime, problem solved. Just because you don't like, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. K thanks bye.

Oh the world would be such a beautiful place if ecchi was limited to ecchi anime 🤭
Sadly that's not the case. It leaks into all other genres, all the time. The only way to avoid it is pretty much to just not watch any anime at all, which I'm not gonna do, because I like a lot of other stuff about the medium in general 🤷‍♀️

Wtf. Who says it leaks into anything? Most anime, since the dawn of anime don't have fan service.
Anyways, can you tell me where this is from?
https://image.myanimelist.net/ui/Nq_IhBqcr9n1UomfhiV4DwYbReiyN84XkIYbB1NS1U7eCG8a44CfwubURY71WllLpmc46OYJ3DSFzg8XVbK1e3Sr38cgSKhcDz4U3i41SmU
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Yes i really love that scene from haganai and high school dxd so getting them banned in EU wouldn't bother me since I'm asian and censorship is almost none and in my country anime isn't even considered a thing to implement laws about.
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Alphonae said:
SleepySera said:

Oh the world would be such a beautiful place if ecchi was limited to ecchi anime 🤭
Sadly that's not the case. It leaks into all other genres, all the time. The only way to avoid it is pretty much to just not watch any anime at all, which I'm not gonna do, because I like a lot of other stuff about the medium in general 🤷‍♀️

Wtf. Who says it leaks into anything? Most anime, since the dawn of anime don't have fan service.
Anyways, can you tell me where this is from?
https://image.myanimelist.net/ui/Nq_IhBqcr9n1UomfhiV4DwYbReiyN84XkIYbB1NS1U7eCG8a44CfwubURY71WllLpmc46OYJ3DSFzg8XVbK1e3Sr38cgSKhcDz4U3i41SmU
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Alphonae said:
deg said:
go back to piracy then so no problem?

This is bad news for the industry on a whole, because licencing these series in these regions bring in a lot of money to the producers, so this move might discourage the higher ups from making ecchi anime all together or if they do, it'll be toned down like The Greatest Demon Lord (Murabito A), from this season.

So no more ecchi, are you that big of a pervert and shut in to cry about it?
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Alphonae said:

I say this because sexual depictions of minors is illegal in countries like France and UK, and this includes fictional and animated depictions.
Depiction of human children is illegal of course. However the EU has binding legislation that no cartoon image can be considered child porn, because a sane adult is able to tell between a cartoon and real life.So this is a false alert. Anime is explicitly excepted.

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Tendo_GM said:
Alphonae said:

This is bad news for the industry on a whole, because licencing these series in these regions bring in a lot of money to the producers, so this move might discourage the higher ups from making ecchi anime all together or if they do, it'll be toned down like The Greatest Demon Lord (Murabito A), from this season.

So no more ecchi, are you that big of a pervert and shut in to cry about it?

Sheesh, just let people enjoy their things.
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Alphonae said:

I say this because sexual depictions of minors is illegal in countries like France and UK, and this includes fictional and animated depictions.
Depiction of human children is illegal of course. However the EU has binding legislation that no cartoon image can be considered child porn, because a sane adult is able to tell between a cartoon and real life.So this is a false alert. Anime is explicitly excepted.

afaik in france, even cartoon porn is considered illegal. Though i sincerely hope you are right about this being a false alert.
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SleepySera said:
Tropisch said:

Here's a solution since it's so hard for people here to understand: Don't click on or watch ecchi anime, problem solved. Just because you don't like, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. K thanks bye.

Oh the world would be such a beautiful place if ecchi was limited to ecchi anime 🤭
Sadly that's not the case. It leaks into all other genres, all the time. The only way to avoid it is pretty much to just not watch any anime at all, which I'm not gonna do, because I like a lot of other stuff about the medium in general 🤷‍♀️

Yeah, just like shows that aren't predominantly comedies have comedic pauses here or there.

You're never going to limit types of content into rigid little boxes like this. It's just not feasible or realistic. If you want to get irritated about it that's your right, but just do it with the understanding you're living in a fantasy land. This doesn't just happen with ecchi.

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sure but its not as profitable as other genre like battle shonen is though the ecchi genre is getting more into niche market or small market territory

Ooooh, a rare deg. Late stage capitalist deg - destroy all small, niche markets and make content exclusive to the largest, most profitable markets possible.

Glad to see you advocating this sort of stuff, deg. You might feel like a nobody from time to time now, but if you keep this sort of mindset and start applying it to all walks of life, you might just become a modern day hero in the same vein as Jeff Bezos or Martin Shkreli!
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That sounds like baseless panicmongering to me. I don't believe for one second that any platform will remove random shows like DxD or Haganai because of a bill aimed at hate speech, fake news and propaganda. It's ridiculous to speculate about these things before they happen.
I probably regret this post by now.
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That said, I'd personally be very happy if ecchi ceased to exist. It has always been a blight upon anime and I'd enjoy it so much more if it was gone :P
Says the person who likes BL, how ironic!
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"Tech companies would be compelled to set up new policies and procedures to remove flagged hate speech, terrorist propaganda and other material defined as illegal by countries within the European Union."

Oh nooo, they will ban Masha And The Bear for indoctrinating hatred against little girls, wolfs, rabbits...and practically all living things except bears.


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Manaban said:

You're never going to limit types of content into rigid little boxes like this. It's just not feasible or realistic. If you want to get irritated about it that's your right, but just do it with the understanding you're living in a fantasy land. This doesn't just happen with ecchi.

Yeah, I know? Which is exactly why I'm saying that I'll continue watching anime even if it contains some parts that I dislike and would rather not see. My response was to someone saying I should just not watch ecchi anime if I don't like ecchi, which makes about as much as sense as to tell someone to just not watch comedy anime if they want to not see comedy. It doesn't work that way, because genres bleed into each other.

I simply said that I, personally, would be happy if ecchi got truly banned. Like, for real, in a proper way, like how Japan banned uncensored depictions of genitals in both their fiction and porn.
I also said that that desire ultimately has nothing to do with this because that's not what the law is even about, so the whole panic is pointless. I just like to dream about a world in which fiction caters to my tastes and not someone else's, why is that such an upsetting concept for everyone to be replying to that bit, lol.
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That said, I'd personally be very happy if ecchi ceased to exist. It has always been a blight upon anime and I'd enjoy it so much more if it was gone :P
Says the person who likes BL, how ironic!

Yes, I also watch hentai, your point is?
I'm not some prude who has an issue with sexual themes in general, I just hate ecchi and fanservice because they detract from proper storytelling in shows that decidedly DON'T go all the way. Ecchi is the worst of both worlds.

Besides, there's plenty of completely innocent BL romances, I could be specifically only interested in those (not the case, but just making a point that your 'argument' makes no sense).
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Says the person who likes BL, how ironic!

Yes, I also watch hentai, your point is?
I'm not some prude who has an issue with sexual themes in general, I just hate ecchi and fanservice because they detract from proper storytelling in shows that decidedly DON'T go all the way. Ecchi is the worst of both worlds.

Besides, there's plenty of completely innocent BL romances, I could be specifically only interested in those (not the case, but just making a point that your 'argument' makes no sense).
Yeah, fanservice with girls should be made illegal but fanservice with them gays is welcome, right? You literally have a stack for fujo-bait, is that not detracting from the main theme? Also BL aren't innocent, it's always about harassing/abusing someone until they develop feelings for their perpetrator.
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Says the person who likes BL, how ironic!

Yes, I also watch hentai, your point is?
I'm not some prude who has an issue with sexual themes in general, I just hate ecchi and fanservice because they detract from proper storytelling in shows that decidedly DON'T go all the way. Ecchi is the worst of both worlds.

Besides, there's plenty of completely innocent BL romances, I could be specifically only interested in those (not the case, but just making a point that your 'argument' makes no sense).

I like it more when an anime doesn't go all the way. There's the novelity that comes with it. It's plain boring when they simply sit and fuck, instead of leaving no room for imagination.
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Yeah, fanservice with girls should be made illegal but fanservice with them gays is welcome, right? You literally have a stack for fujo-bait, is that not detracting from the main theme? Also BL aren't innocent, it's always about harassing/abusing someone until they develop feelings for their perpetrator.

Two people being in a romantic relationship and having sex isn't fanservice, it's literally the content of the story. Which is specifically why I brought up hentai, since romance and consumating the relationship also is specifically the point of it. I enjoy that regardless of gender, but good job projecting your prejudices on others :)

I have a stack for shipping, which is not the same as fujo bait. Shipping is specifically about what ISN'T there, so you can have fun with your own creativity in completely unrelated series. I'm not qualified to attest the intent mangaka/anime directors had and if some wanted to specifically attract fujoshis to their works (personally, I'd think so for a few of them) but the majority have no such background whatsoever.

Not even gonna reply to the last line in your comment, considering the level of willful ignorance it displays.
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I like it more when an anime doesn't go all the way. There's the novelity that comes with it. It's plain boring when they simply sit and fuck, instead of leaving no room for imagination.

And that's okay. You like what you like and I like what I like. You can watch ecchi series and I can avoid them. What I can't avoid is the ecchi that ruins "officially" non-ecchi series, so I'll continue to dream of a world in which that isn't a thing.
Again. This is merely what I wish the world would be like. I'm not actually the president of Japan, or of your favourite animation studio or whatever. My dream is not gonna take your precious ecchi away. It's just that - me saying I'd like it if the world was different from how it is.
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