Made in Abyss Movie 3: Fukaki Tamashii no Reimei Episode 1 Discussion

nejino21 said:
I'm in mixed feelings about movie. The first season of anime was a great improvement over manga, a lot of people hated slow pacing, but I liked it. More exploration of the layers, a lot of original material helped to flesh out world, which was barebones in manga, more time to feel emotional moments and just think about beuaty and horrors of the Abyss.

I expected the same treatment for Bondrewd's arc, but movie feels even more rushed than manga. A lot of emotional scenes lost their weight because everything is happening too fast. It jumps from one scene to another without a break, some scenes are molded together and you have awkward switches from cute girls doing cute things to Bondrewd being Bondrewd, than cute girls and their hamster are cute again, but minute later it goes full horror. I checked manga and as much as it was fast paced, it wasn't like this.

If I was anime only I don't think I would like Bondrewd half as much as manga reader. In manga he was creepy, insane, merciless lovecraftian monster, but also passionate and caring. He could look like a nightmare fuel, but also like a total goofball. In movie he is static, he barely moves in non-fight scenes, animated version of him feels way less lively than black and white silent bunch of pictures from manga. Morikawa has a great voice, but he often sounds too lazy and monotonous. And what kind of genius decided to cut his backstory from movie?

Movie is good for fight scenes and might be a great cryporn, all thanks to Penkin's OST. Green Mitty was handled a bit better than manga's counterpart, at least she doesn't move her giant bare tits right in your face during emotional moments. I still don't care about her, mainly because I got fed up with abuse of break the cutie trope.
There is your grain of salt from manga reader.

HotPocketChris said:


read manga and was confused about that as well. how did riko and prushka find reg and nanachi? by going up the staircase?

however, meinya isnt affected since it isnt human. idk if that was said in the movie but this was stated in the manga

mijnster said:
I loved the animation (especially the dark reg fight scene), I loved the music, I think I liked the story(?), but wtf. The pacing is horrible. I read the manga up until season 1, so I could be surprised by the movie. Because of the pacing, a lot of 'emotional' or 'shocking' moments fell flat. First thing Reg's being 'tormented', 30 sec. later we're already on to the next action-packed scene. The 'success' of luring your enemy in a trap falls flat when there is no upbuild to that trap. Reg, who was totally fucked up from having his arm cut off 2 seconds before, was totally capable of taking part in the action the next. Now, I get that he "didn't feel any (artificially constructed) pain anymore", but everything all together just didn't impact me. Bondrewd explaining the white whistles: did not understand at all what was happening at that moment because of how fast it was explained. I did not feel sad by Prushka's death; her flashback was just jammed in there when she died.

This morning I read the manga up until the end of the movie to see if they changed anything, but it is a very faithful adaptation. So that's something the movie really delivers on. The only thing is: when reading a manga you can set your own pace. I think they should've taken that into account when making the movie, instead of just pasting all the scenes of the manga one after the other animation style. It is a different medium after all; sometimes that calls for a different approach. Maybe splitting the movie in two could've helped. Maybe making season 1 into a 24 episode season, instead of a 13 episode season would've been better.

Made in Abyss season 1 is one of my favorite series of all time, and I'm just kind of sad that I don't feel the same about this sequel movie. The awe of exploring the abyss and the world building that comes with it was just nowhere to be found in this movie.

I give it a 7, just because of the animation & soundtrack and my bias for Made in Abyss.



So yes, I totally agree with you. Except for the cryporn part maybe haha

Franck_Nicolas said:


I m not a manga reader but it was still very easy to follow the plot. Maybe you watched a bad fansub and that didn t help to understand everything? There are a few things that are not really explained though, but i think it s supposed to be explained later

shayed__ said:


idk subs seemed fine "Subs from [Doshigata]" The uploader said to probably wait for a different release so it might have been the subs but I think it was just my lack of comprehension. I went back to the scene where Nanachi and Riko where in the "processing area" and the explanation about the cartridges is easier to understand on my 2nd read, still a bit confused about the "what little's left after all that's been cleanly scraped off is wrapped in skin and flesh again then stuffed into one of these bone-substitue containers" All I saw were some organs and fluid leaking out of these boxes so not sure what they meant with skin and flesh

shayed__ said:
Hmmm. I feel like 80% of the people that absolutely loved this movie were manga readers.

I might be in the minority here but I kind of lost track later on in the movie. Things got a little crazy with "cartridges" "your worth" forbidden relics that lets you transfer your consciousness to another body, how exactly bondrewd was able to achieve immortality by forcing the curse of the abyss on the childrens organs etc.

All that left me kind of confused at the end of the movie. Maybe it was due to a lack of intelligence that I didn't immediately understood everything or maybe the pacing was just super fast, or the directing could have been a tad better, I don't know. Either way that kind of deminished my enjoyment for the movie.

Art, animation, soundtrack etc were all very good though, but that is expected from a movie. Soundtrack didn't hit as much as the season 1 one.

Besides my lack of understanding for some plot points. I'd have to agree with other fellows here in this discussion that the sense of exploring and world building was missing in this movie. I'm sure season 2 will continue the greatness that season 1 was, and I guess that it was the right decision to make this arc a standalone movie instead of mixing this arc and the next one in season 2.

Edward2003 said:
OK ! The movie is very cool, but there is something I did not understand, which is the white whistle ... is it made after the experiments are done?
Please, I want to understand this scene

yungthoticus said:

Stop attributing people liking things to them reading the manga. A lot of anime only's love this movie too ffs

javonnefavio said:
I gave it 3 for the only 3 things this movie did right: ost, background art and Bondrewd's VA
If I didn't know that it follows manga, I would've thought it's a filler. A lot of things doesn't make any sense. Ozen told the main characters that Bondrewd is a bad guy, Nanachi knew it better than everyone else, but three idiots headed to his base with no attempts to avoid it, nor protect themselves

Nanachi: bondrewd bad, he lies, uses kids for experimentation
the rest of the crew: anyways, let's go to wasp nest
Bondrewd: *experiments on Reg*
Nanachi: *surprised Pikachu face*

Riko: oh no, this guy bad
Nanachi: I knew that he is even worse, but I wouldn't tell anyone, who needs a coherent plot
Prushka: guess I'll die

So many conflicts, deaths and drama could never happen if mc used at least two brain cells. But they didn't. If Bondrewd wasn't a child murdering psycho, I would have rooted for him. Still, three little shits deserve to die, they are poorly written mess. In one scene, Nanachi tells Bondrewd that the party is going to destroy all his relics and refuses to take his arm, seconds later she almost cries over his body. Reg promises to avenge the blobs in the pit, 10 minutes after this promise he goes "yes honey" when Nanachi told him to fuck off from Bon. Riko's reaction to Prushka's fate is literally

I lowkey hated Prushka. Mitty wasn't a pinnacle of writing, but I was able to relate to Nanachi's loss. Even prior their backstory author estabilished that Nanachi cares deeply for her deformed friend. Prushka is a polar opposite, no one tries to save her or cares about her until the author decided to use her as a plot device to raise the tension and few minutes before ending he finally gave her motivation and a damn backstory. So, you have Prushka blabbering about her love for Papa only to end this over pretentious monologue from a 12 years old to end with a nonsense, Prushka loves her Papa, but she also loves those three random ass kids that she met a hour ago, kids that tried to kill her beloved dad and told her to shut up when she cried. And somehow that was enough to form special deep bonding. Wow. GoT S8 now doesn't look that bad.

Finally, can we move on from killing off moeblobs to something less cheap and more meaningful? If the author likes loli angst so much, ha can I don't know... give Riko an arc where she tries to do something with her broken arm? Her injury from the first season was forgotten as if it never happened. On top of this, she is a third wheel in party with no purpose.

So many things are wrong with the story and direction, too bad this movie is going to be praised like next coming of Jesus because people are easily mistaking loli murderfest for an amazing story telling with lots of depth.

shayed__ said:


chill bro. I just went based off of the discussion. I scrolled through the comments and a ton of people were talking about the manga what they did different etc.

yungthoticus said:

Pointless thing to base an opinion off of. People can enjoy things without reading the source material.

javonnefavio said:
I gave it 3 for the only 3 things this movie did right: ost, background art and Bondrewd's VA
If I didn't know that it follows manga, I would've thought it's a filler. A lot of things doesn't make any sense. Ozen told the main characters that Bondrewd is a bad guy, Nanachi knew it better than everyone else, but three idiots headed to his base with no attempts to avoid it, nor protect themselves

Nanachi: bondrewd bad, he lies, uses kids for experimentation
the rest of the crew: anyways, let's go to wasp nest
Bondrewd: *experiments on Reg*
Nanachi: *surprised Pikachu face*

Riko: oh no, this guy bad
Nanachi: I knew that he is even worse, but I wouldn't tell anyone, who needs a coherent plot
Prushka: guess I'll die

So many conflicts, deaths and drama could never happen if mc used at least two brain cells. But they didn't. If Bondrewd wasn't a child murdering psycho, I would have rooted for him. Still, three little shits deserve to die, they are poorly written mess. In one scene, Nanachi tells Bondrewd that the party is going to destroy all his relics and refuses to take his arm, seconds later she almost cries over his body. Reg promises to avenge the blobs in the pit, 10 minutes after this promise he goes "yes honey" when Nanachi told him to fuck off from Bon. Riko's reaction to Prushka's fate is literally

I lowkey hated Prushka. Mitty wasn't a pinnacle of writing, but I was able to relate to Nanachi's loss. Even prior their backstory author estabilished that Nanachi cares deeply for her deformed friend. Prushka is a polar opposite, no one tries to save her or cares about her until the author decided to use her as a plot device to raise the tension and few minutes before ending he finally gave her motivation and a damn backstory. So, you have Prushka blabbering about her love for Papa only to end this over pretentious monologue from a 12 years old to end with a nonsense, Prushka loves her Papa, but she also loves those three random ass kids that she met a hour ago, kids that tried to kill her beloved dad and told her to shut up when she cried. And somehow that was enough to form special deep bonding. Wow. GoT S8 now doesn't look that bad.

Finally, can we move on from killing off moeblobs to something less cheap and more meaningful? If the author likes loli angst so much, ha can I don't know... give Riko an arc where she tries to do something with her broken arm? Her injury from the first season was forgotten as if it never happened. On top of this, she is a third wheel in party with no purpose.

So many things are wrong with the story and direction, too bad this movie is going to be praised like next coming of Jesus because people are easily mistaking loli murderfest for an amazing story telling with lots of depth.

javonnefavio said:
I gave it 3 for the only 3 things this movie did right: ost, background art and Bondrewd's VA
If I didn't know that it follows manga, I would've thought it's a filler. A lot of things doesn't make any sense. Ozen told the main characters that Bondrewd is a bad guy, Nanachi knew it better than everyone else, but three idiots headed to his base with no attempts to avoid it, nor protect themselves

Nanachi: bondrewd bad, he lies, uses kids for experimentation
the rest of the crew: anyways, let's go to wasp nest
Bondrewd: *experiments on Reg*
Nanachi: *surprised Pikachu face*

Riko: oh no, this guy bad
Nanachi: I knew that he is even worse, but I wouldn't tell anyone, who needs a coherent plot
Prushka: guess I'll die

So many conflicts, deaths and drama could never happen if mc used at least two brain cells. But they didn't. If Bondrewd wasn't a child murdering psycho, I would have rooted for him. Still, three little shits deserve to die, they are poorly written mess. In one scene, Nanachi tells Bondrewd that the party is going to destroy all his relics and refuses to take his arm, seconds later she almost cries over his body. Reg promises to avenge the blobs in the pit, 10 minutes after this promise he goes "yes honey" when Nanachi told him to fuck off from Bon. Riko's reaction to Prushka's fate is literally

I lowkey hated Prushka. Mitty wasn't a pinnacle of writing, but I was able to relate to Nanachi's loss. Even prior their backstory author estabilished that Nanachi cares deeply for her deformed friend. Prushka is a polar opposite, no one tries to save her or cares about her until the author decided to use her as a plot device to raise the tension and few minutes before ending he finally gave her motivation and a damn backstory. So, you have Prushka blabbering about her love for Papa only to end this over pretentious monologue from a 12 years old to end with a nonsense, Prushka loves her Papa, but she also loves those three random ass kids that she met a hour ago, kids that tried to kill her beloved dad and told her to shut up when she cried. And somehow that was enough to form special deep bonding. Wow. GoT S8 now doesn't look that bad.

Finally, can we move on from killing off moeblobs to something less cheap and more meaningful? If the author likes loli angst so much, ha can I don't know... give Riko an arc where she tries to do something with her broken arm? Her injury from the first season was forgotten as if it never happened. On top of this, she is a third wheel in party with no purpose.

So many things are wrong with the story and direction, too bad this movie is going to be praised like next coming of Jesus because people are easily mistaking loli murderfest for an amazing story telling with lots of depth.

BlasashiiVT said:

Afaiac, Bondrewd was planning since the very beginning to obtain a white whistle for Riko, Reg and Nanachi, and that's why she slaughtered his daughter (After all, he had 4 cartridges in that moment, he didn't need a new one). But Indeed, apart from a human, the material they mentioned is required to craft a white whistle, so Bondrewd definitely made it during the experiment.

Kangchenjunga said:


Best comment in this thread //thumbs up// I totally agree~
The manga is the same way. Dumb plot and no emotional impact at all.

Unoriginality said:
This is darker than i expected, is there even more "Darker" than this Movie later in the Manga? The writers totally don't give sht about side character Plot-Armour, dying is die!

Laplace_kun said:
Seen the movie last night; not as emotionally jarring and captivating as the series that preceded it, but still contains elements of a masterpiece. This movie contains stuff that are the most unsettling and disturbing in the series so far.

Things I liked:
-> Excellent fight animation and choreography
-> Minimal use of CGI
-> Great background music by Penkin ( "The Rumble of Scientific Triumph" intensifies)
-> One of the best antagonists (and complex characters) in Bondrewd
-> Apparently this was a very faithful adaptation and manga readers are happy

Things I didn't like:
-> Child sex jokes that felt awkward rather than funny
-> Background art is cool but everything looks artificial. Those water pillars are too smooth
-> Prushka is just a plot point. Didn't feel emotional attachment to her remotely close to Mitty
-> Lots of stuff doesn't get satisfying exposition - Nanachi's feelings of guilt just got a monologue, it didn't hit like it should
-> Lack of adventure, so they are at Idofront only. but not much interior to show, so boring; also lacked the claustrophobic psychological impact it was probably intending
-> Riko is just bland and I want her to die, probably by her mother's hands
-> Reg is a mystery McGuffin generating convenient plot devices in a non-subtle manner
-> Tonal inconsistency; people just move on from one scene to another too quickly like a change of chapter, hence nothing leaves a lasting impression. Things just keep happening for the sake of happening (and explanation of stuff to support those things are told just beforehand). This seems to be a style of the author to make some rules and lore as he proceeds and play with them to extract cruel outcomes. Let's hope he has other cards in play.

So that's it. I'll give it a 8/10 (and 8.5 in my own brain) as a solid saga in the MiA series which neatly makes us move on to the next level (literally). Bondaddy (this name seems popular) is truly the central figure in this movie and his mere presence is monstrous and inhuman enough to give one shivers. Till next time!