Why do some people seem to think 'gore' can't be implemented in an anime without it feeling edgy/unnecessary?
| Unless if it's gratuitous violence that won't make much difference in the narrative if it's taken out then I don't see why anime can't ever use gore to show how dangerous or helpless the situation is in a scene without people saying how edgy it is. |
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| possibly because often anime with gore do have to just be edgy or for shock value but most of those people seem to be very narrow-minded when it comes to possibilities. one anime i thought was borderline edgy with gore was Psycho pass but when it was used it was mostly to show how much control a person had in a situation or how helpless it was for the people getting gored. |
| because it is just shock factor, and brings nothing to the anime except an edgy style. |
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| Gore doesn't show how dangerous or helpless a situation is at all lol. |
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| if you ask me, the word "gore" automatically implies excessive/gratuitous. Gore is NOT blood splatters. Gore is intestines and brain matter. |
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| ^ Yea gore isn't just blood splatters, it's intestines, organs, and inside the body parts. Only very few anime actually have "gore" and if an anime has blood scenes in it, they call it gore. For example, Tokyo Ghoul isn't gore, Corpse Party is gore. I know this forum chat isn't about this but I just wanted to point it out since someone mentioned it. |
| People just use edgy and gore in anime as a bad argument to how bad the show is just because they dont have a proper reason to hate on the show Little are the cases where an anime use blood and gore just for the heck of it. I think that if an anime wants to portray how twisted or brutal something is with blood im completely fine with it But unnecessary or excessive gore as the only way of making an anime "dark" is just laughable lmao |
TykenApr 27, 2020 9:00 PM
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Shanye_Glizzy said: possibly because often anime with gore do have to just be edgy or for shock value but most of those people seem to be very narrow-minded when it comes to possibilities. one anime i thought was borderline edgy with gore was Psycho pass but when it was used it was mostly to show how much control a person had in a situation or how helpless it was for the people getting gored. I mostly had Made in Abyss in mind when I made this thread because some people like to brand it as loli torture porn or something just because the mc gets into terrible situations in the abyss when the whole idea of the abyss is that it's very dangerous and a lot of people don't even make it back to the surface. |
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Tyken said: I hate when people use edgy and gore in anime as an argument to how bad the show is. Little are the cases where an anime use blood and gore just for the heck of it. I think that if an anime wants to portray how twisted or brutal something is im completely fine with it But unnecessary or excessive gore as the only way of making an anime "dark" is just laughable lmao I've never seen arguments saying gore makes a show bad. "Edgy" content, yes. Gore, no. Some people just like to know ahead of time if a show contains extreme gore so they can avoid it which is completely understandable. |
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epidemia78 said: its okay to point out in a review that an anime is gory, but a lot of times people just use that as the main reason to hate on the show even though there's plenty more to the anime than just goreTyken said: I hate when people use edgy and gore in anime as an argument to how bad the show is. Little are the cases where an anime use blood and gore just for the heck of it. I think that if an anime wants to portray how twisted or brutal something is im completely fine with it But unnecessary or excessive gore as the only way of making an anime "dark" is just laughable lmao I've never seen arguments saying gore makes a show bad. "Edgy" content, yes. Gore, no. Some people just like to know ahead of time if a show contains extreme gore so they can avoid it which is completely understandable. |
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| people also throw the word "gore" around almost as much as"simp" |
| bcuz gore = dark = "edgy" = show must be bad for whatever reason epidemia78 said: if you ask me, the word "gore" automatically implies excessive/gratuitous. Gore is NOT blood splatters. Gore is intestines and brain matter. guych said: ^ Yea gore isn't just blood splatters, it's intestines, organs, and inside the body parts. Only very few anime actually have "gore" and if an anime has blood scenes in it, they call it gore. For example, Tokyo Ghoul isn't gore, Corpse Party is gore. I know this forum chat isn't about this but I just wanted to point it out since someone mentioned it. That's just the extreme examples that we commonly use to classify it. Gore in itself is literally just blood that has been shed (usually due to violence). Kinda like how homophobia relates to any negative view towards homosexuals even if it's really subtle like being slightly annoyed just by looking at them, yet we mostly use the term towards the more extreme cases like homophobic attacks and whatnot and idk bout you but Tokyo Ghoul definitely has gore lmao it also kinda depends on how detailed the action is. Something like Higurashi with its fingernail scene is far more gore than some random character getting their brains splattered in the far background |
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Shanye_Glizzy said: people also throw the word "gore" around almost as much as"simp" yes "gore" is very overused. I avoided watching Higurashi for the longest time because so many people who apparently have very low tolerance for that sort of thing was saying it was full of horrific scenes of gore. I was thinking Elfen Lied or the ending to Blood-C levels of gore... In reality, the violence in Higurashi is fairly tame, the worst stuff only happens in silhouette or off-screen and is unlikely to give anyone nightmares. |
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| Gore is good is some anime, some it just is for shock factor so i guess that's why people think its just unnecessary, in my opinion if someone doesn't like gore then they don't like it, but i think there needs to be an indication to people before they start the series just in case they prefer it not to have gore. |
| "Anime shouldn't have X or Y", just a big fuck off to those people, don't want it, don't watch it. |
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| gore is one of those things that people will never agree on. the most gruesome and still justified gore possible I can think of is Devilman Crybaby, and people still crap on it saying it's unnecessary. But it's still very overused and poorly used, so the anti gore people have a point. |
| why do some people seem huh that's a lot of buffer there |
| Made in Abyss is the greatest example of gore for a purpose in my opinion. Most of the time it does seem edgy, like in Elfen Lied for example. |
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| People just don't know how to argue or convey their thoughts properly. Instead of processing the fact that certain shows don't use violence properly, they instead think the gore itself is bad, even when classics like Berserk get a pass. The only people that actually use edgy as the core of their argument are the people who don't know how to properly critique something and rely on buzzwords. |
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| Because more often than not, it used to increase shock factor. Can't really argue with their logic, as shock factor can be used to mask the flaw of a series. Gore just so happens to be one the easier ways to induce shock, especially considering how a lot of anime tend to stay away from blood to satisfy TV guidelines. That being said, blood alone does not make for gore, which is something many studios many studios thrive on proving wrong. Mainly a result of true gore not being fit for TV, so not really their fault. This is probably the reason as to why manga and old OVAs are where the usage of gore is somewhat better. Manga have specified age ratings and as such, can get away with it by using that as an excuse, while OVAs do not air on TV. |
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| I'm not entirely sure why people would hold that opinion, but then again, there's a lot of black and white thinking in general, so I don't give much of a fuck regarding the perception of gore in particular. To their defense, there are quite a few anime, especially the popular ones who try to hard to make violence seem cool. Akame ga Kill, Mirai Nikki and Deadman Wonderland come to mind. However, some anime on the other hand handle it rather well and are able to convey the dread of violence properly. Attack on Titan(admittedly some Levi scenes are there for the rule of cool, but still not edgy imo) Parasyte Vinland Saga Inuyashiki (episode 2) And then there are also some series which combine violence with comedy. I haven't seen Hellsing Ultimate, but from what I know it might be the case there. Also have to mention Another, lol. The deaths are so funny that I refuse to think that you're not supposed to laugh at them :P |
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FMmatron said: And then there are also some series which combine violence with comedy. I haven't seen Hellsing Ultimate, but from what I know it might be the case there. Also have to mention Another, lol. The deaths are so funny that I refuse to think that you're not supposed to laugh at them :P How can you laugh at such majestic beauties like the umbrella of doom or Light killing one of the kids? |
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yhunata said: FMmatron said: And then there are also some series which combine violence with comedy. I haven't seen Hellsing Ultimate, but from what I know it might be the case there. Also have to mention Another, lol. The deaths are so funny that I refuse to think that you're not supposed to laugh at them :P How can you laugh at such majestic beauties like the umbrella of doom or Light killing one of the kids? Either I'm really sick in the head or because I have a good sense of humor. That's for you to decide. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
FMmatron said: yhunata said: How can you laugh at such majestic beauties like the umbrella of doom or Light killing one of the kids? Either I'm really sick in the head or because I have a good sense of humor. That's for you to decide. Mate, I...... was being sarcastic. |
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yhunata said: FMmatron said: Either I'm really sick in the head or because I have a good sense of humor. That's for you to decide. Mate, I...... was being sarcastic. Imagine being sarcastic but not being able to perceive sarcasm 🙃 |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
Oh fuck me. Yeah, it doesn't translate all that well to text. |
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>sick in the head for laughing at silly anime deaths common brah xD neither would it be an indicator for good sense of humor tbqh |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
FMmatron said: >sick in the head for laughing at silly anime deaths common brah xD neither would it be an indicator for good sense of humor tbqh I've been around for a while. All the shit I've seen, you could tell me sky is green and I could easily believe that you truly believe that. |
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yhunata said: FMmatron said: >sick in the head for laughing at silly anime deaths common brah xD neither would it be an indicator for good sense of humor tbqh I've been around for a while. All the shit I've seen, you could tell me sky is green and I could easily believe that you truly believe that. Depends on the context, but yeah, there's the time we all fall for it online(people with a social disability in particular) |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
FMmatron said: yhunata said: I've been around for a while. All the shit I've seen, you could tell me sky is green and I could easily believe that you truly believe that. Depends on the context, but yeah, there's the time we all fall for it online(people with a social disability in particular) I'm honestly not kidding. I once talked to a dude who truly believed that Kill la Kill was absolute garbage because there was no killing in a 5 minute Youtube clip he watched of it. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: Dull_Lull said: Unless if it's gratuitous violence that won't make much difference in the narrative. You have successfully described 90% of violent content with excessive graphic depiction in the Japanese animation industry. Mark the thread as solved and be proud of it. Pixel_Vapour said: Made in Abyss is the greatest example of gore for a purpose in my opinion. Most of the time it does seem edgy, like in Elfen Lied for example. Care to elaborate what purpose it serves? Before, try comparing to the aforementioned series. Because it shows how dangerous the Abyss is and we never really see it at full pelt until . If gore wasn't there to show the danger then it wouldn't have had the same impact. Also Elfen Lied didn't really need gore. |
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| OK so I searched definitions because it seems I was wrong about it, and Google says: "blood that has been shed, especially as a result of violence." It might seem weird to say so, because I'm pretty sure most are accustomed to see blood in whatever medium, but it still is shock factor. Now a little blood is fine, if people get shot/stabbed or whatever, I expect blood to leak. But at first, I thought gore meant the usual organs splatter/corpse opening and stuff like that and really that is gratuitous violence. Blood leaking too, but to a smaller degree. It doesn't help to show dangerous or helpless a situation is, establishing a danger and making characters react with good presentation is enough, it probably is just the viewer that gets more hooked when he sees horrible stuff happen on screen. "OMG he is so much in danger! The situation is helpess!" No it already was, you simply weren't shocked yet. |
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| It really only comes off as 'edgy' if it feels out of place. In a series about war or vampires...or war with vampires, it feels totally natural to me. I'll probably get hate for this but JJBA's uses it WAY too much to shock you. Some of those scenes are unnecessarily f*cked up o____O |
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| Because it usually does feel out of place and serves no other purpose than shock value. I don't think anyone thinks it can't be implemented well, and probably everyone can mention a couple of shows which did, but still when most shows use it like Attack on Shitan and Tokyo Fail. |
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| I just don't like gore, it's pretty simples to be honest. Not a question of not being able to handle it, I just think it's silly when a show uses it, I can't point to an exact reason why but it is attached to my personal preferences |
| Wait a minute, how did this happen? We're smarter than this! |
| a) gore is indeed often used for shock factor b) if not done right, it can look out of place c) not a lotta people get the appeal of more extreme gore, hence making it seem even more out of place |
AnimeFreak-San said: is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps? |
| Anyway what is actual definition of edgy ? Is that something like "hey I love evil and dark badass things and I am depressed"? |
| Хайде, хайде, хайде, това е първата зона, брато, първа зона, първа зона, добре, добре, добре, това става тук горе, отива тук горе, само спокойно, само спокойно... Ха, отдясно е, навсякъде отдясно отдясно къде е дясното ти о да добре добре добре тихо мълчаливо не успях да се съсредоточа върху това ЕХ ТЪПАК КОГАТО СИ БАВНО БАВНО ... ой е путката на моето момиче прасе куче, аз Чувствам се добре, о, мамо, *шамар*, какво е това госпожице татко- |
| I guess the argument is that even if violence is plot relevant, making it especially gory is always a conscious decision and you can have plot-relevant violence and injuries that aren't gory without a problem (just look at battle shounen for example), so that is rarely an excuse to justify why gore was necessary. Gore does not equal violence, gore is more of a visual style that can be, but doesn't have to be used to depict violence and, in all honesty, more often than not is used for fanservice purposes rather than making a significant contribution to the anime as a whole. And where you draw the line, where any given gore scene falls, is subjective. You can always argue about whether a scene or show benefits from the graphic, visual depictions or not, but in the end it's just that - arguments. And alot of it just depends on personal preference. Even if it 'fits' a scene, is it 'necessary'? Do you need a bunch of gore to show how violent violence is or can you also convey that in a more accessible way? Most viewers probably already know violence is violent since it's in the name, so is it really necessary to rub it in like that? The point is that what's 'gratuitous' and what's 'necessary' in terms of gore varies from person to person and it's not so much a matter of who's right and who's wrong as it is a matter of people caring about different things in an anime and I can understand both sides. Personally I'm never bothered by it, but I also never really miss it when there's censorship or it's just toned down to 'normal' levels of anime violence. I do think it's gratuitous/fanservice more often than not, but there's definitely some cases where I can see the argument that the scene/anime benefits from it in some way. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| because some anime like akame ga kill make it there defining characteristic and kill of character every fucking episode |
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| Personally I associate edgyness more with anime that try too hard to be in your face and dark, not with gore it's self. There are plenty of older OVAs and films that use gore without being "edgy", maybe dumb and over the top and unnecessary, but not edgy. The only older anime that was gorey and "edgy" in the way I think of edgy is Akira. (Yah, I thought Akira was "edgy", woop woop, wanna fite about it) |
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| I’d argue that it’s thematically appropriate in a handful of cases. War stories are the easiest example. Generally, though, it’s straight fanservice for those who enjoy gratuitous violence. Finding it distasteful most of the time is a viewpoint I can sympathize with. |
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