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shubh_jain_2 said: Well this was interesting, but I can't figure out the logic, why is she so sure?? Maybe the subs missed on some of the conversation's subtelity!! @adbeaver @Beichuuka I was sure she was involved in some way in this because how she reacted to Hondomachi's head wound and bleeding, it was clear it wasn't her first time. And maybe it was just my imagination but I think Hondomachi also started connecting dots after this moment because how her question became more "personal". |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.96/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.161/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.84/? - weekly) | Mama Yuuyu (Ch.29 - Finished) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.63/? - biweekly) - You and I Are Polar Opposites (Ch.52/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
| Hondomachi best girl. It's surprising how this show is getting better with each new episode. |
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| Wow, I'm impressed with myself for actually saying last episode that Kazuto wasn't the graver but he was helping someone with it. It isn't true at all, since he is the one that puts the people in the boxes but since he has braindamage and the girl is probably controlling him and choosing the victims she is most likely the one that wins the title the graver. |
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| Such interesting turn of events at the end with that Inami girl being the "actual" Gravedigger... or the mastermind behind the deaths, at least. Hondoumachi really showed some nice investigation skills with her deductions. She's more competent than I thought, which is nice. OK so leaving the incompetent SWAT team aside, this was another entertaining episode. And though there wasn't much Sakaido this time, I really enjoyed the focus Hondoumachi received. |
| Babylon was such a disappointment thank god for this, dark horse of the season, still won't be aots coz duh Ishuzoku is auto aots Hondomachi is hawwwwt |
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| I rewatched the interrogation scene a couple times to try to pick up on the things that our hole-y detective picked up on to determine the real gravedigger, but beyond her general unsettling demeanour and her apparent interest in the hole in her head I didn’t pick up on much. I mean, I personally would probably avoid looking at a wound like that since I’m a bit jittery with blood, but some people I’m sure might find it hard not to look at the big hole in her head. I mean, it’s a big hole in someone’s head. The deduction feels like a stretch, but this show has clarified one or two things after-the-fact before, so maybe we’ll hear more of the reasoning behind the accusation next week (though it’d be nice to have all the needed info now). That said, this show hasn’t been afraid of letting our heroes make incorrect deductions, so she might be correct to suspect her, but wrong on the details. My theory? She literally saw the guy hiding in the hallway and let on that she hadn’t in order to press the woman to find out how she might be involved, if at all. A wilder theory I have is that drilling the hole in the head allows people to sort of “sense” the intent to kill from those particle-whatevers passing directly into the brain. The crazy hole-drilling guy talked about needing that cool breeze in the head or there could be trouble, perhaps without that breeze, the particles get trapped in the brain and effect the person mentally. If so, I’d fear a bit for our favourite 23-year-old detective. |
FuyuMinatoJan 28, 2020 1:30 AM
| *confused quacking* |
FuyuMinato said: I rewatched the interrogation scene a couple times to try to pick up on the things that our hole-y detective picked up on to determine the real gravedigger, but beyond her general unsettling demeanour and her apparent interest in the hole in her head I didn’t pick up on much. I mean, I personally would probably avoid looking at a wound like that since I’m a bit jittery with blood, but some people I’m sure might find it hard not to look at the big hole in her head. I mean, it’s a big hole in someone’s head. Looking at someone wound isn't completely strange but she basically immediately wanted to clean Hondomachi wound after seeing blood and this is really strange. |
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.96/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.161/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.84/? - weekly) | Mama Yuuyu (Ch.29 - Finished) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.63/? - biweekly) - You and I Are Polar Opposites (Ch.52/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
| Welp, Hondomachi may be one step closer to figuring out the Perforator (or the Gravedigger RATHER) after that kiss from Haruka Kazuta, whom she believes that he's the Gravedigger. The pursuit for the culprit endangers on the urge to kill for love, and to love people is to kill them. "When Wires Cross" is the best way to put it. With that in mind, Sakaido dives into Haruka Kazuta's psyche of his Id-Well, and finding Kaeru once again in the same (but different) dead, bloodied state indicates the victims and warrants arrest (in the outside world). However, the mystery within takes a turn when the mysterious John Walker comes up and savages Haruka in pieces, the mystery Perforator in action. In the real world, Haruka's home rigged with gasoline DEFINITELY gives off the fact that Haruka is NOT the Gravedigger, BUT somebody close to him...and when Hondomachi was interrogating Nahoshi Inami, she certainly gives off the vibe that she is the mastermind behind it all, and yet Hondomachi by sheer wit, managed to pry her out while Haruka hides in the vicinity, waiting to kill for the pleasure of "loving her to death". The "click-and-bait" switch this episode was well done, left me speechless and watching all the bantering going around with both Sakaido's "ID-Well" world and fusing together with the real world's crimes to solve using the minds/psyche of killers' intentions. Not a masterpiece, but what a handiwork. The many puzzle pieces that were once disconnected, became a picture. Still very intrigued about this world and it's universe, which shows that this show's doing some fabulous work. |
KANLen09Jan 30, 2020 9:21 AM
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| I suspected that woman was complicit with the criminal from the Beginning ~ _ ~ but I am very excited about the next episode |
| This episode was better than the last episode But there were some dumb scenes like swat team scene which was horrible and the whole cute shit they waste 3 min say Kauai but in all good episode and ohh woooow John Walker |
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| The episode was really good, John Walker is becoming an infamous and enigmatic entity. I don’t know what to think about the trap, the squad was exploring but something like that is kind of a probability, they could be barely prepared for something like that, but I don’t really know. What I was surprised about was Hondomachi stopping Matsuoka’s action letting her finish with Inami, like she has higher rank or something, the thing with the squad was an emergency, I know that Hondomachi solved the case, but Matsuoka didn’t know she’d solve it there. Also, they’re in trouble with Kazuta hidden holding a knife. |
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SenpaiMars-Barz said: There is no logic, nothing Hondomachi asked her yielded any kind of answer that even subtly hinted to her being a killer. 0% of the interactions or conversations would have led a sane person to the conclusion that she was the killer. Anybody would have a hard time ignoring a giant fucking hole in somebody's head. You don't have to be a fucking sadist to have a hard time ignoring that. Most normal people have to fight the urge to give attention to people in public they see who have obvious injures or disabilities because we all have a biological inkling to give attention to things that are outside the norm. That whole interrogation was just more lazy writing where the writers don't know how to write a good mystery so they just throw some random deductions like stares at injury-->sadist-->serial killer which don't represent ANY kind of logical deduction. Like even if it wasn't what I mentioned earlier, how do they not know that she doesn't have a kink or something??? Just because she's a sadist she has to be the killer? And why would Hondomachi even make such a jump when they have such an obviously guilt suspect already being pursued? Makes literally no fucking sense. The writers just pulled that scene out of their asses to create an unnecessary twist to make the arc longer and make Hondomachi seem smart for catching the real killer by just pulling a conviction out of her ass based on negligible details. You´re right. This episode was a mess. And on top of that nonsense conversation (where I wholeheartedly agree with you), the SWAT part makes no sense at all. For starters, you can know if a barrel is full of liquid just by hitting it with your hand and listening to the noise it makes. Second, any SWAT team would have some drill and make a tiny hole to check things. Third, when you have fuckton of gasoline filled WOODEN barrels, the gasoline odor could be smelled from 100m away. Is like the writers IQ dropped 20 points when they wrote this episode. |
| Hondoumachi's two stream-of-consciousness 'deductions' were lowkey laughable. |
| Hey sry if I ask for something that was possibly brought up a lot of times but does anybody know any research as to how well you can survive a drill to the head and how well this sort of injury heals ? I know there are cases where people survived pretty big drills and functioned pretty normally till randomly dying of a complication years later but I can't really find good records on how well something like this heals Good anime so far btw |
| Did they really need this intense dialogue with a suspicious lesbian atmosphere to uncover the true motivation of the villain? But in any case, I must admit that in this episode this show finally became interesting to me. Shame that this is already the 5th episode. |
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| why does a lover become a killer? |
“You can always die. It's living that takes real courage." - Himura Kenshin” . |
Nieznajomy43 said: Looking at someone wound isn't completely strange but she basically immediately wanted to clean Hondomachi wound after seeing blood and this is really strange. You've never met someone that suddenly has a nose bleed or perhaps an open or recent wound and it starts to bleed, and you don't feel the urge to even tell this person that he/she is bleeding? more caring people would immediately pull out a handkerchief or a disposable tissue and would try to stop the bleeding wound. I'm glad other people also found out how BS Hondomachi's "fishing" led to unmask the real gravidgger as Kazuto's chick. Nothing of her behaviour during the interview revealed that she was some sort of sadist that enjoys tortuiring others or that she would get off by watching blood run, her face was most of the time was unfazed and even when she cleaned Honomachi's forehead, she was still calm. Some people alligate that she kept the bloody tissue, ut there was no actual footage of this happening, the tissue just magically disappeared due to a cheap storyboard. Her questions regarding Kazuto felt pretty much telegraphed, and given that they didn't know she was actually the real love interest of Kazuto felt completely out of the left field. the only moment that truly feels Hondomachi was into something was when she pointed out she kissed Kazuto and this chick finally had a real reaction, but prior to that nothing feels right to lead to Hondomachi's suspicions. I still wonder how did they actually managed to she visited Kazuto's house 3 times during their junior high years. |
KimurahFeb 24, 2020 10:36 PM
Kimurah said: Nieznajomy43 said: Looking at someone wound isn't completely strange but she basically immediately wanted to clean Hondomachi wound after seeing blood and this is really strange. You've never met someone that suddenly has a nose bleed or perhaps an open or recent wound and it starts to bleed, and you don't feel the urge to even tell this person that he/she is bleeding? more caring people would immediately pull out a handkerchief or a disposable tissue and would try to stop the bleeding wound. but I'm not saying anything about telling someone about nose bleeding etc. I am talking about touching someone's wound. And believe me, I work in hospital and if patient is conscious and can move, and wound doesn't look dangerous (eg wound from syringe) then patient would take care of own wound. also this is natural behavior for not trained people to not touch someone's wound. It is imprinted to a certain degree in our subconscious/DNA to not touch someone's blood/wound as survival skill (protection against infections) and by touching you can worsen condition of it. I needed a few months before I was able to touch the patient without hesitation/fear. And it was clear that this woman had experience in dealing with these kinds of wounds. So even if she was innocent then still this behavior was suspicious enough that it was worth further investigation. |
Nieznajomy43Feb 25, 2020 5:30 AM
| Manga recommendation: - Spy x Family (Ch.96/? - biweekly) | Sakamoto Days (Ch.161/? - weekly) - MARRIAGETOXIN (Ch.84/? - weekly) | Mama Yuuyu (Ch.29 - Finished) - Make the Exorcist Fall in Love (Ch.63/? - biweekly) - You and I Are Polar Opposites (Ch.52/? - biweekly) Anime recommendation: - Deca-Dence (Finished) | Wave, Listen to Me! (Finished) - If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die (Finished) - Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater (Finished) |
| Fantastic episode! |
| it seems Hondomachi is super perceptive in the romantic aspect because of her head injury luckily my question about her age is answered right from the start lol, she looks like a middle schooler in a suit |
| Based Certified. I love anime armpits. |
| SO FUCKING GOOD!! |
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| Lol Hondomachi sure doesn't look 23. I thought she'd be somewhere around 19 or 20. Damn Hondomachi solved the case all on her own! Impressive stuff. |
SenpaiMars-Barz said: I will not deny that they are legitimate investigation methods, but they serve to highlight red flags if anything, not to serve as evidence suitable to convict a random person of murder and pull a gun on them. Arresting a person isn't the same as indicting or convicting them in a legal court though. Much less justification is required by comparison. So a uniformed police officer just pulling a gun on someone and handcuffing or tying their wrists and bringing them back to the police station would constitute an arrest, not a conviction, and much less evidence is needed. If they don't have sufficient legal grounds to hold her for much longer after that and can't go to trial, then she will be released. This happens all the time. |
| Oh, she's at least useful. I really thought she will be that damsel that you will have to rescue each time. |
 「 To other people, I might not have changed at all, but I feel like I was able to change... 」 |
| Not bad for the girl who went from being insane, stupid, to not a fucking genius. She is smarter than she lets on. |
| I haven't updated in years but now I have changed that. I'll be free soon. |
| Hondomachi is pretty impressive figuring out almost singehandedly who all the culprits are, no wonder ms. Inami was beating around the bush with the questions instead of directly answering things what you would normally expect in an investigation case. |
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| Wow, talk about quite the development. Definitely thought Hondomachi was going to get herself into more trouble, but instead she almost singlehandedly figured out this case. I'm guessing she didn't choose Inami randomly either, but through some sort of deduction. The part where that staff member shouted that Saikido solving the case was too fast was funny. That entire conversation with Inami was freaky. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I had no idea what Hondomachi was aiming at, but Inami gave off a very disturbing vibe. Looks like we're getting some action next episode. I hope nothing happens to the team. Sad for all those police officers though... |
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| Ngl I like Hondomachi and her character, she also smart too. The moment she started grilling Inami with questions the more suspicious she became. Damn, so she a sadist and she was taking advantage of her brain damaged lover to do her bidding. Let's go Hondomachi shoot them hoes. |
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| Wth am i just wrote in the previous episode? Those Hondomachi actually had a 23 years old? Goddamned, i got tricked there by her appearance! Lmao. What an actual shit i am today! Lol Okay. So, this episode just turned off Narihisago as the secondary MC, by knewing the fact that Hondomachi actually became a true detective, thanks to her hole in the head. By revealing the real intentions of that serial killer, that incidentally kissed her, it may be easy for Hondomachi to solved it. But, was that actually right? Because that sadist girl might turned into a monster that ready to eat your mind! These episode explanations seems to be completely out of my mind. The twist was a mind-blowing. But, its okay, since the thrilling moments in the end served quite nicely done. Together with Narihisago action in the Mizuhanome system. Although, i may feel some hinted and foreshadow in the floating house connected with the girl, in the end i just completely lost my initial thought. Oh, well, whatever. An okay episode afterall! |
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| Hondoumachi: *gets kissed* Also Hondoumachi: "There's no way an actual guy would kiss me if his drive to kiss and drive to kill weren't switched, he has to be the gravedigger!" |
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| Hondomachi was the central character in this episode as she tries to uncover the true identity of the Gravedigger, especially after being kissed out of nowhere by Kazuta. I felt like it was nice to actually see a character like her get her time to show me what she can do and while she does have some brains to her and the end with her exposing Inami was cool by revealing that Kazuta kissed her, the questions beforehand and everything else didn't really answer anything that could lead a lot to the eventual outcome she had pieced together in full detail with random deductions featured. This clearly was written backwards with the writers having the idea of how to pull of the twist first and just lazily stuck some random questions beforehand to show that she's actually putting some effort into the interrogation, which is not the sign of a good mystery show by any means necessary. Plus the police and SWAT teams in general in this show are just so damn incompetent and dumb, Jesus Christ. This show is just stupid really behind the good music and the interesting first couple minutes of the entire show. I love mystery shows and novels but the show's way of trying to force twists and deductions and haphazardly stick telegraphed and random questions beforehand lazily only makes it more deplorable. |
| Officer Hondomachi she was on point the build up of the conversation to the end conclusion it was well done |
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| Well the Inami girl was giving me the creeps. Apparently she is the culprit and Kazuta is the accomplice. |
| Woah Koharu is an incredible detective, pretty much single handedly figuring out the grave digger |
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