| As the title above, have you ever considered a Doujinshi (both H and non- H content) as a part of orginal work ? If yes, what's kind of Doujinshi you would do that ? For me, i consider a Doujinshi as canon when it's also canon in anime/manga/game/novel. With waifu collecting-game such as Kancolle, AL, etc.... Should i consider any ships is canon lol ? |
| They're no different than fan fiction. |
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| No never. Actually once. Where they murder MF Kirito of SAO. |
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| I consider them canon if they're by the original author. "Authors don't do that!" you protest. Oh, yes. They do. xD |
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| i enjoy H-doujinshi as supplemental material for anime that don't provide, but i've never considered any of them canon some awful series are made bearable through dj, though |
milkb said: i enjoy H-doujinshi as supplemental material for anime that don't provide, but i've never considered any of them canon Ah yeah, i have almost never consider a H-Doujin as canon except for that 16.5 SAO which i read it many years ago |
| Personality or story made by a fan, automatically loses the sense of being canon. And less doujinshis H, with so many crazy yaoi out there. |
| You can think that way in your own little world, buuuuuuut if you seriously try to argue that it is canon, just know that you are factually wrong and will be laughed at. |
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| No, unless it's by CLAMP And it's has Jotaro and Kakyoin in them |
| More canon than Jorge Joestar, that's for sure. |
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| Any doujin of harem manga with harem ending is canon in my mind. |
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| I never read parody doujins in the first place. So, all of the original doujins would be considered canon/legit for their own sake, to me at the very least. |
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| Well do you consider fanfics canon? |
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| They are basically fan fiction. How is it canon if it's not from author? |
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| To me, consumers of entertainment are the authority on what's "canon." It's a meaningless word really. |
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| I don't really but I do enjoy a good one. |
Kakyoin can hold pretty well from Jotaro's fists by any stretch of the imagination. |
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| Depends on your perception of database theory. Look up "Otaku: Japan's Database Animals" by Hiroki Azuma, covers this topic. |
nep-nep said: Depends on your perception of database theory. Look up "Otaku: Japan's Database Animals" by Hiroki Azuma, covers this topic. Could you pls summarize the book or give me the link which summarizes it ? |
LuckEx said: I don't know if I can explain it very easily or correctly. Here's a very brief overview by Pause and Select.nep-nep said: Depends on your perception of database theory. Look up "Otaku: Japan's Database Animals" by Hiroki Azuma, covers this topic. Could you pls summarize the book or give me the link which summarizes it ? Around 2:00 - 4:15 he explains the general concept of databases, and onwards to around 7:00 he describes how Netoyome as a show is reflective of database structure. In essence, the idea of databases is how "traits" (or tropes) can be formatted into a structure, and rather than "consuming" a product (anime) as a whole, otaku will look for those associated traits when deciding, say, what what shows they want to watch or how much they like a character (as opposed to, say, watching Death Note because you think it has a compelling singular narrative). Like for example, say a female lead is: tsundere, brunette, childhood friend, etc... or that a series is: isekai, jrpg fantasy, harem, comedy, overpowered mc, etc... Because so many shows are built upon this fundamental database like structure where the combination of "traits" (or tropes) is what makes the show attractive rather than a grand narrative , there is less distinction between the original base work and derivate simulacra (like fan-made works). This is especially so when the works themselves are designed to allow more open ended "interpretation" of the work so there is insignificant distinction between the original and its copies. A prime example of this is touhou, where fanmade interpretation (artwork, character personality, memes, etc.) of the original can be "legitimized". This is in comparison to say, western copyright works where there is a strict interpretation provided by the author which explicitly distinguishes between the author's work and the interpretation of that work. Another way to think about it is the fact that under a database model, an anime series like say, Gundam, is thought about as a universe (or world) rather than a single grand narrative. Or how we think about the "Marvel Cinematic Universe" and not "Iron Man and Friends". Thus, doujinshi are "canon" as long as the people who consume the work see the doujinshi as meshing within the established "universe" of the work and accept it. If any of that was too convoluted and needs clarification, just ask. |
nep-nepOct 26, 2019 4:58 AM
nep-nep said: Thus, doujinshi are "canon" as long as the people who consume the work see the doujinshi as meshing within the established "universe" of the work and accept it. Well, i only can see some Doujin as canon because the characters in it is also a couple in original works. To think that every Doujin include Hentai could also be considered as canon, i don't think it works that way. Anyway, thank for you explanation. |
| Considering that I mainly read doujis where my favorite characters get raped, no. |
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| Doujinshi are just works of fans so by definition I don't think it should ever be canon |
| They're certainly not 'canon.' But fan culture has a way of shaping the way we look at characters that shouldn't be dismissed. |
| Doujinshis written by the original author of the series or the doujinshis that are original works, not based on an already existing series are canon, others are not canon no matter how close the writing is to the original work, it still counts as fan-made content. |
| How can anyone come to that conclusion, i mean its basicially fan fiction. |
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| Yes, they are. Don't let anyone convince you otherwise. It is canon and it will always be. Dab on them haters. |
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| I think the meaning of doujin is lost in the translation lol Normally in my language, people don't use "fanart" or "fanfic" to describe works of fans. We normally use "doujin-art", "doujin-fic" or "doujin-anything" that isn't work of the original author.. or canon. Dou jin just means "same character" which mean the artist/author uses the same character from an anime/manga or movie/cartoon to write/draw something.. like what previous posts said.. wishful thinking of the fans Canon is what happens in the original plot/timeline of the original story.. In my opinion, I'd say "doujin" and "canon" are contradiction, unless the original author says the story of a doujin is going to appear in the original series' timeline/universe. Even if it's from the original author, if it's not in the original series, it's just supplementary work |
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| Some doujinshi are actually canon to an official manga or novel but most doujinshi are considered to be What ifs and even those are uncommon or completely non-canon. |
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monkeyDberzerk said: Chiibi said: I consider them canon if they're by the original author. "Authors don't do that!" you protest. Oh, yes. They do. xD Links please, or atleast the titles of the doujins. I medically need them. Off the top of my head; I can only give you two authors who do it...and they may not be familiar to you: Author of Full Moon Wo Sagashite, Kamikaze Kaitou Jeanne, and Shinshi Doumei Cross drew ones under the pen name; Meikoku Teikoku. Author of Gravitation drew ones titled 'Gravitation Remix' and they are...*cough* explicit yaoi. |
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| I mean there are plenty of doujins that ARE original works by their authors. Of course that makes everything in them canon. As for parody doujins using characters from pre-existing franchises, no. Why would anyone? |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| If it's a dj made by the same author who made the original story then yes, it's totally canon in my eyes. Otherwise, no. |
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| Only the ones with human cattle farms. |
| Never. Doujinshi is never canon, and I'll never read it. Chiibi said: I consider them canon if they're by the original author. "Authors don't do that!" you protest. Oh, yes. They do. xD An author of a Manga(can't remember which one) recently created a hentai doujinshi of one of his famous works. Do you consider that to be canon too? |
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Seiya said: Never. Doujinshi is never canon, and I'll never read it. Chiibi said: I consider them canon if they're by the original author. "Authors don't do that!" you protest. Oh, yes. They do. xD An author of a Manga(can't remember which one) recently created a hentai doujinshi of one of his famous works. Do you consider that to be canon too? Not sure...it could just be a service to the fans...but it's like...you'd have to ask him yourself. lol Unless you can read Japanese...because lots of times, they'll write an afterword on the last page explaining what inspired them to do it/why they did it etc. |
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| There is 99% change your favorite character (male or female) was raped by a fat old mob dude with smegma. But that Touhou dj that includes insects is especially canon. |
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| if the original mangaka makes it then yes |
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| I only consider doujinshi as canon if it involves full penetration. |
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LuckEx said: I don't mean "canon" in the sense that "this event actually happened", what's more important is plausibility. As long as the doujin conforms to the framework of the established universe, it becomes acceptable and thus a "canon" concept from the eyes of the community that consumes the works of said series. nep-nep said: Thus, doujinshi are "canon" as long as the people who consume the work see the doujinshi as meshing within the established "universe" of the work and accept it. Well, i only can see some Doujin as canon because the characters in it is also a couple in original works. To think that every Doujin include Hentai could also be considered as canon, i don't think it works that way. Anyway, thank for you explanation. For example, Koakuma in touhou 6 was literally just a pixellated fairy midboss fight, but through the collective efforts of the community essentially "constructing" her, she became canon in "official" works. Because the distinction of authorship is unimportant, conformity/plausibility of database elements to the universe's customs is most important. So, any OC that runs adverse to established principles is struck down and becomes unpopular/controversial/unknown, while OC that does becomes extremely popular and thus "canonized". A real life example of "doujinshi becoming canon" is the bible. Different sects of christianity handpick which writings they consider to be part of their "canon" bible, so this selection of works conforms to their established principles of what they believe Christianity should be. This is why an orthodox bible reads differently from a roman catholic bible which reads differently from the original Jewish writings. Thus, each sect purports the idea that "my cherrypicked selection is the canon version", not "I have various writings from different authors from different time periods talk about the same events differently that all happen to be organized into a single book". There is no "singular" author of the bible (so we cannot just say x writing is canon because that dude wrote it originally) thus consistency to "what our religion should be" is valued most highly. |
nep-nepOct 26, 2019 3:59 PM
| The only doujin/fanfiction I am willing to accept as canon is SAO 16.5. By far the best part of that series without a doubt. Adds so much needed layer to SAO and really expands the concepts that Kawahara introduced in the light novels. If it received an anime adaptation, I would buy the blu rays even though I didn’t have a blu day player and worship sao as an arthouse masterpiece rivaling that of Boku no Pico |
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| No. They're just fanservice, in every way imaginable. |
| mors certa hora incerta |
| Unless them´re made by the original authors (since there are some who make doujinshi of their own works) or are approved by them, of course not. For example, little gag spin-off and anthology manga are canon, but not in the same storyline as the original story. |
| "Could you not talk with me? I'm busy breathing." |
| If it isn't being published as a part of the canon then I wouldn't consider it to be canon. If it's written by the original author or someone working for the same publishing team and they consider it to be canon then I would as well, but if it's made by a fan then it's just fan fiction. There's always going to be doujins that conflict with each other or even with the original work (eg. going against the canon ship, sexual orientation, ect.), so they can't all even work as canon. |
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