| It's the dialogue. Most of the time there isn't any real dialogue really. The characters are just talking about what's happening or what they're seeing. The dialogue feels like it's spoken between 2 robots. The most popular example of this is one piece. Fairy Tail, JoJo and many others do this too. I get that dialogue isn't the reason why people watch shounen anime but still it's really annoying. That being said I still enjoy them a lot. What about you? What do you think about the dialogue in shounen anime? |
| JoJo cult be damned after reading this thread. I'll agree about your argument about shounen dialogue. But i mainly hated shounen because how cliche it was or really easy to guess where the story goes. |
| My memory of other battle shounens about their, like their tutelage says so, battles are vague, because how forgettable their battles are in terms of how they are fought, so I look pass that aspect and see how everything else is, which is still flintful because how it's very much riddled with said fights. My altercation for JoJo is how beautifully crafted the battles are, emblazoned with creativeness, punctual deliveries, and the battles are different, wanting to explore much more than fistful barrages of what-named powers. And you say that yet you have HxH in your favourites, which is criminal to what you are saying, the most of its kind, specially if you've ever read the text-filled source material. God bless me for reading 10 paragraphs in one page of a 30+ pages chapter. |
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| I usually don't mind it that much unless they really overdo it, I'm watching Prince if Tennis now and they need to comment EVERYTHING, this is the first time it's getting on my nerves so much. |
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| Some people still don't make difference between simply shounen (which can be anything - adventure, SOL, mystery, school, romance, sports ect.) and battle shounen (with complex battle systems, choreographed fights full of monologues and motivational speeches, training arcs, tournament arcs ect.) They are not bad/subpar by default just when certain title is serialized the author tend to drag it a bit too long and fill it with unnecessary overexpositions, flashbacks for characters you don't care at that moment and asspool setbacks. Also some battle shounen tropes and formulas are excessively overused. Even a decent title can get hate because of the déjà-vu it gives to it's readers/viewers. PS Sport shounen can drag like battle shounen too. |
alshuNov 28, 2018 6:43 AM
Huntik said: I love the fact you're saying that Dialogues are really annoying while you like/Favorited HxH 2011. I'm not saying it's wrong since everyone can favorite whatever they want but HxH 2011 Dialogues happen way to much. Still HxH is goddammn awesome. As long i enjoy the anime, i dont mind Dialogues at all. It's a shounen battle anyway. It's made to be like that. LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO. W. TAKE THIS W. HAHAHA! DAMN! To be honest my initial thought to this guy post was childish. Like dialogue, seriously? |
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Huntik said: Pretty sure it's because he's a huge fan of shounen that he has this complaint, as it's one stemming from a love of the genre and not a hate of it. I would say, in that light, this thread is very justified as i hold the same stance and still love the genre.I love the fact you're saying that Dialogues are really annoying while you like/Favorited HxH 2011. I'm not saying it's wrong since everyone can favorite whatever they want but HxH 2011 Dialogues happen way to much. Still HxH is goddammn awesome. As long i enjoy the anime, i dont mind Dialogues at all. It's a shounen battle anyway. It's made to be like that. AnimeFanTalk said: Well yeah, being talked directly to by the anime and a lot of the time talked down to, it's pretty annoying. Unless you're into that sort of thing, it's a pretty horrible trope that treats the audience like idiots.LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO. W. TAKE THIS W. HAHAHA! DAMN! To be honest my initial thought to this guy post was childish. Like dialogue, seriously? |
 I don't believe in the Devil. You should. He believes in you. |
| its one of those things that makes more sense in manga and doesnt translate well in anime but they keep doing it because hey something has to fill those 22 minutes |
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Lunilah said: Huntik said: Pretty sure it's because he's a huge fan of shounen that he has this complaint, as it's one stemming from a love of the genre and not a hate of it. I would say, in that light, this thread is very justified as i hold the same stance and still love the genre.I love the fact you're saying that Dialogues are really annoying while you like/Favorited HxH 2011. I'm not saying it's wrong since everyone can favorite whatever they want but HxH 2011 Dialogues happen way to much. Still HxH is goddammn awesome. As long i enjoy the anime, i dont mind Dialogues at all. It's a shounen battle anyway. It's made to be like that. AnimeFanTalk said: Well yeah, being talked directly to by the anime and a lot of the time talked down to, it's pretty annoying. Unless you're into that sort of thing, it's a pretty horrible trope that treats the audience like idiots.LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO. W. TAKE THIS W. HAHAHA! DAMN! To be honest my initial thought to this guy post was childish. Like dialogue, seriously? You can find this trope in almost any anime. Not just Shonen. |
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AnimeFanTalk said: That still doesn't change what i said.Lunilah said: Pretty sure it's because he's a huge fan of shounen that he has this complaint, as it's one stemming from a love of the genre and not a hate of it. I would say, in that light, this thread is very justified as i hold the same stance and still love the genre. Well yeah, being talked directly to by the anime and a lot of the time talked down to, it's pretty annoying. Unless you're into that sort of thing, it's a pretty horrible trope that treats the audience like idiots. You can find this trope in almost any anime. Not just Shonen. |
I don't believe in the Devil. You should. He believes in you. |
Lunilah said: Huntik said: Pretty sure it's because he's a huge fan of shounen that he has this complaint, as it's one stemming from a love of the genre and not a hate of it. I would say, in that light, this thread is very justified as i hold the same stance and still love the genre.I love the fact you're saying that Dialogues are really annoying while you like/Favorited HxH 2011. I'm not saying it's wrong since everyone can favorite whatever they want but HxH 2011 Dialogues happen way to much. Still HxH is goddammn awesome. As long i enjoy the anime, i dont mind Dialogues at all. It's a shounen battle anyway. It's made to be like that. Couldn't of said it any better. I still love the genre, it's just the thing that bothers me about the genre. |
| I don't know what are you talking about... The real thing is the stereotype of the characters. |
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| True, it's annoying, but I guess I got numb to that over time. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| Well, as you said, I don't really watch battle shounen for the dialogue. I watch it for the characters, plot, action, tropes, worldbuilding and tons of other stuff. That being said I don't find it annoying either, it's just kinda there. Far from being one of the main appealy, but I also don't really see it as a downside since I don't need it from a battle shounen. If I'm seeking out great dialogue I'm gonna go watch a show like LOGH or Tatami Galaxy. You can't have all the stuff you like in one series because usually some of it will be mutually exclusive or not really fit into the genre of the show. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| I'd argue that this is one if the things that makes Jojo great. It's so odd and over the too it ends up being enjoyable. But yeah, in most battle shounen this gets annoying, since most of them doesnt have the style or self-awareness of Jojo to back it up. |
Satyr_iconNov 27, 2018 8:29 AM
| This is a thing that happens in all of anime, not just shounen. Anyway, I'm used to it, and don't mind it too much. How it is delivered matters more to me. |
| Watching battle shounen for the dialogue is like watching Ghost in the Shell for action. That said, there are some occasions where One Piece strikes with some great quotes, rarely complex, but still awesome. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| That's part of the game of battle shounens, take it or leave it.... nobody starts watching these shows expecting very rich and deep conversations.... |
| *shrugs* Now I'm not gonna say dialogue isn't important to the overall story but I guess it's all the moving parts of the whole thing. I guess you should also provide examples of what you mean I guess? I sorta have an idea but they can't mind read info off each other. |
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| it depends from genre to genre battle shounen are always the same now, only a few series can be rescued. If we don't talk about battle shounen then i'm ok, i don't hate anything. |
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| I find this stuff boring but I got used to it. Talk no jutsu ftw |
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| im usually too high to remember any dialogue anyway |
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| I hate shounen anime because they never have sex. |
| being descriptive sometimes can be annoying and mundane but its usually necessary for building up the atmosphere or explaining things in details to the audience who has no direct awareness of them |
| Probably that most shonen characters have a sexist male chauvinist pig attitude toward women. |
| Life Is Short But Intense. |
| It's worse when characters shout the name of their attack for no reason other than to look cool. |
| I completely disagree on JoJo. I think the dialogues and monologues are quite brilliant for the most part. |
AnimeFanTalk said: Lunilah said: Pretty sure it's because he's a huge fan of shounen that he has this complaint, as it's one stemming from a love of the genre and not a hate of it. I would say, in that light, this thread is very justified as i hold the same stance and still love the genre. Well yeah, being talked directly to by the anime and a lot of the time talked down to, it's pretty annoying. Unless you're into that sort of thing, it's a pretty horrible trope that treats the audience like idiots. You can find this trope in almost any anime. Not just Shonen. It's a problem in storytelling in general, yes, though it happens a lot in Shounen, likely because (as @Abominable already said) the target audience is often held to be child-minded and inattentive by nature. I wouldn't be surprised if it was common in Shoujo as well, though I haven't seen nearly enough of it to be able to say. |
| I guess this is not really a problem since you have hxh 2011 in your favorite, because that is a prime example of what you are complaining about. So I guess this thread is a waste. |
keragamming said: Posts like this bother me. Just because he has HxH on his favorites doesn't detract from what he's talking about, in fact it does the opposite. Insinuating loving a genre absolves one from being allowed to criticize it is the dumbest thing one can say in the face of actual criticism. You don't know what you're talking about.I guess this is not really a problem since you have hxh 2011 in your favorite, because that is a prime example of what you are complaining about. So I guess this thread is a waste. |
I don't believe in the Devil. You should. He believes in you. |
Huntik said: I love the fact you're saying that Dialogues are really annoying while you like/Favorited HxH 2011. I'm not saying it's wrong since everyone can favorite whatever they want but HxH 2011 Dialogues happen way to much. Still HxH is goddammn awesome. As long i enjoy the anime, i dont mind Dialogues at all. It's a shounen battle anyway. It's made to be like that. It wasn't dialogue, it was the narrator |
| Because that's not the action you were looking for. Go watch Michael Bay movies if you want over the top action that doesn't get interrupted by pointless exposition. |
| Anime sucks, all of them are bad and that's a fact! |
romagia said: its one of those things that makes more sense in manga and doesnt translate well in anime but they keep doing it because hey something has to fill those 22 minutes this. if action scenes were without words and characters were throwing techniques or big moves around, the reader would soon lose what’s going on. i get where OP is coming from tho |
| I agree with you, but I think we have to consider the fact that shounen is a genre usually target a very young audience. Kid gets excitement from cheap, cheesy, over-the-top dialogue. You do get tired of that sooner or later as you grow up but you can't take that away from kids. |
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Lunilah said: keragamming said: Posts like this bother me. Just because he has HxH on his favorites doesn't detract from what he's talking about, in fact it does the opposite. Insinuating loving a genre absolves one from being allowed to criticize it is the dumbest thing one can say in the face of actual criticism. You don't know what you're talking about.I guess this is not really a problem since you have hxh 2011 in your favorite, because that is a prime example of what you are complaining about. So I guess this thread is a waste. I think yo Lunilah said: keragamming said: Posts like this bother me. Just because he has HxH on his favorites doesn't detract from what he's talking about, in fact it does the opposite. Insinuating loving a genre absolves one from being allowed to criticize it is the dumbest thing one can say in the face of actual criticism. You don't know what you're talking about.I guess this is not really a problem since you have hxh 2011 in your favorite, because that is a prime example of what you are complaining about. So I guess this thread is a waste. I think you misunderstand me, it was more of a sarcasm comment, assuming op doesn't think hxh does the same as one piece, Fairy Tail, JoJo. I really don't have a problem with his criticism overall, just found it ironic that he name all those shounen series and conveniently leave out his favorite series that is basically the king when it comes to it. That was my personal gripe with hxh 2011, felt like it overdid it compare to most shounen series. |
CHC said: I agree with you, but I think we have to consider the fact that shounen is a genre usually target a very young audience. Kid gets excitement from cheap, cheesy, over-the-top dialogue. You do get tired of that sooner or later as you grow up but you can't take that away from kids. Who said only kids can (or should) get excitement from that? The fact that they are targeter towards kids and early teens doesn't mean an adult can't enjoy them.... |
Arkab said: Because i don't need exposition for what i'm already looking at.CHC said: I agree with you, but I think we have to consider the fact that shounen is a genre usually target a very young audience. Kid gets excitement from cheap, cheesy, over-the-top dialogue. You do get tired of that sooner or later as you grow up but you can't take that away from kids. Who said only kids can (or should) get excitement from that? The fact that they are targeter towards kids and early teens doesn't mean an adult can't enjoy them.... |
I don't believe in the Devil. You should. He believes in you. |
Arkab said: CHC said: I agree with you, but I think we have to consider the fact that shounen is a genre usually target a very young audience. Kid gets excitement from cheap, cheesy, over-the-top dialogue. You do get tired of that sooner or later as you grow up but you can't take that away from kids. Who said only kids can (or should) get excitement from that? The fact that they are targeter towards kids and early teens doesn't mean an adult can't enjoy them.... Did I say only kids can or should get excitement from that? |
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Kids don't need it either. Maybe not "should", but when you said: CHC said: You do get tired of that sooner or later as you grow up.... You are implying that it's hard for adults to get enjoyment from these type of dialogues... so you are including the "can".... |
| -Most of them are totally focused on fights and superpowers (u get bored eventually) -Mc beats his enemy and then they become friends -Mc almost never kills his enemies Anyway most of shounen animes are directed for younger audience so I don't want to hate it too much ofc there are exceptions |
 "I want to show that woman the true Yoshikage Kira. I want her to hear how I feel deep inside. That I want to take your slender neck into these hands and strangle you to death." |
| If you're watching shounen, particularly battle types and expecting a great dialogues from it, I think you're setting your great expectations or putting an importance at the wrong place. Battle shounen strengths in expostion are action, battle concepts and world building. |
Huntik said: Well that's true, but even they talk before fighting. I'm mostly talking about Netero vs. Meruem ^^ True. I personally would make an exception for it though. I love that fight and the moral conflict and ambiguity of it |
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