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Apr 15, 2017 5:25 PM
#101
Johnnyd3rp said: Daria, Rick and Morty, Steven Universe, Samurai Jack, Kubo and the two string ecc... western aimation doesn't lack good shows. Also there aren't 40+ new sequel/series every season like in Japan. You can see the weeb side of MAL on threads like this. Thinking Western animation is lacking in quality compared to anime doesn't make someone a weeb. It's all just preferences. |
Apr 15, 2017 5:43 PM
#102
Your thread might be just plain old bait, OP, but it was funny seeing how westaboos turned out to be as cancerous as weebs are, and on a weeb website to boot. Will the day come when we won't be able to appreciate anime on Myanimelist? |
Apr 15, 2017 5:51 PM
#103
Soriki said: In what way is RoryBurrows' view any different to how the TC expresses their own? RoryBurrows said: That's not an opinion lol.*deep breathe* in my opinion Gravity Falls is superior to every other form of media I mean it is but it sounds like you're trying to imply that it is a fact by saying superior. A "I prefer Gravity falls over any other sort of media" would've been more appropriate :p You're literally the only reply I will reply to till somebody replies to me, cuz you were the only other reply on this page, page 3 =u= I could've said, "In my opinion, Pepsi is superior to all other carbonated beverages." and it is still just an opinion. The problem with the topic is talk of "superiority". When you say anime is superior to western animation you have talk about in the collective but the scope of what you are judging comes down to how exposed you've been to both. For example: 1. Have you seen anime and/or cartoons from the 80s/90s/00s? 2. Do you look at all anime and/or cartoons you watch objectively? 3. How much do your own preferences or biases influence your perception on the anime and/or cartoons you watch? |
Apr 15, 2017 5:59 PM
#104
corwin_r said: Your thread might be just plain old bait, OP, but it was funny seeing how westaboos turned out to be as cancerous as weebs are, and on a weeb website to boot. Will the day come when we won't be able to appreciate anime on Myanimelist? I am still baffled by the amount of people who dont take this thread seriously and assume im either some troll or a teenager. This post was only half bait because Id assumed a lot of people on this site do in fact, prefer anime. Given the amount of people that think cartoons are at least equal to anime, I don't think its even bait anymore. |
VoivodianApr 15, 2017 6:05 PM
Apr 15, 2017 6:27 PM
#105
sukizo said: For example: 1. Have you seen anime and/or cartoons from the 80s/90s/00s? 2. Do you look at all anime and/or cartoons you watch objectively? 3. How much do your own preferences or biases influence your perception on the anime and/or cartoons you watch? 1. 80s anime: A good amount/ 80s cartoons: A fair amount but less than ten different shows 90s anime: A lot/ 90s cartoons: A fair amount but from less than 5 different shows 2000s anime: Not alot but I have a positive opinion of it/ 2000s Cartoons: Not many but from up to 12 different shows 2. I rate based on enjoyment but the highest scores go to those that I find objectively good as well. 3. My preferences easily makes retro anime my favorite out of the bunch. It also makes me completely uninterested in most pure comedy shows, most superhero shows, most fighting shounens and more teenager oriented shows (Steven Universe and Tokyo Ghoul for example. And by the way, I don't really care for CG animation. If more Western animation looked like this, I'd like cartoons just as much as anime. |
VoivodianApr 15, 2017 7:16 PM
Apr 15, 2017 6:37 PM
#106
corwin_r said: He made a thread saying one thing is vastly superior to another and I disagreed and gave a counter argument. Arguments are between two opposing opinions and if everyone has the same opinion then it's just a circle jerk. Also there are people that agreed with him. If I'm cancerous simply for not agreeing with him then so be it.Your thread might be just plain old bait, OP, but it was funny seeing how westaboos turned out to be as cancerous as weebs are, and on a weeb website to boot. Will the day come when we won't be able to appreciate anime on Myanimelist? |
Apr 15, 2017 6:48 PM
#107
Sorry, too busy watching Tom and Jerry and the Disney classics to give a damn. Bambi, the other day, was surprisingly good. I hadn't seen it in a lifetime. Tonight it's Pinocchio, which I've never fully seen for some reason. |
Apr 16, 2017 12:25 AM
#108
one of the only reasons i started watching anime is that western cartoons started to die out for me when i was 11 and in my opinion western cartoons are continuing to be a dying species today that isn't making any recovery. but in all blunt honesty these fucking american directors need to get their heads out of their asses and make better tv shows rather than shitting out a waterfall of macabre and asinine atrocities that shouldn't have even made it past the development line. |
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Apr 16, 2017 12:39 AM
#109
Well, I think if you look for it, you can find great western animation. Especially in 3D, western animation is definitely in the forefront of that. They are constantly upping their game and it's looking better and better. Their storytelling is top notch too. Pixar, Disney animation studios, Dreamworks, Laika, etc have always pushed the limits of what you can do in that medium. 2D animation, when it was popular, had some great shows and movies. I mean, come on, disney classics were awesome. There are still some around which are great(Rick and Morty, Adventure Time, Samurai Jack, and that new movie about the highschool sinking), but it's definitely on the verge of disappearing. But comparing western animation to japanese animation is like comparing apples to oranges. They are completely different and should, IMHO stay that way. This way we get the best of both worlds. |
Apr 16, 2017 2:00 AM
#110
Here's to hoping mah boi Jack ushers in a whole new era of western animation as an outlet for creative expression. |
Apr 16, 2017 2:14 AM
#111
Willow_Folk said: Saying anime is "Superior" without even quantifying a specific measure is Inferior logic, lol. -Economically, Western Cartoons make more money (Highest Box Office). -Market Penetration is larger, look at Cartoon Network & Adult Swim alone. -Western Cartoons are thereby (due to the reasoning above) more popular. Figures aside, the quality can't be quanified. I'd argue that there's very different cultural styles to story-telling between both countries and i'd even go as far as saying Japan today emphasizes far more on Art and creating something beautiful to look at while most American cartoons i've been raised with have mediocre (simplistic) Art but competes with Japan with Story. If you ask a general question - expect only generalisations which are such a waste of time. What makes you think quality of art can be quantified? If we can judge art by popularity then we don't need to experience art. |
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Apr 16, 2017 2:40 AM
#112
YDOULIE said: Well, I think if you look for it, you can find great western animation. Especially in 3D, western animation is definitely in the forefront of that. They are constantly upping their game and it's looking better and better. Their storytelling is top notch too. Pixar, Disney animation studios, Dreamworks, Laika, etc have always pushed the limits of what you can do in that medium. 2D animation, when it was popular, had some great shows and movies. I mean, come on, disney classics were awesome. There are still some around which are great(Rick and Morty, Adventure Time, Samurai Jack, and that new movie about the highschool sinking), but it's definitely on the verge of disappearing. But comparing western animation to japanese animation is like comparing apples to oranges. They are completely different and should, IMHO stay that way. This way we get the best of both worlds. Hell I think that even the Chinese are catching up to the West with regards to cg animation faster than Japan is. The Chinese stuff actually resembles Pixar stuff more. Anime cg is either worse than Japanese video game graphics or does the cell shaded thing. Frankly, the latter is the type of cg I prefer the most. I do feel like that if you took old anime, downgraded animation quality a little bit, drew the faces in comic book styles, made every dude buff and censored every swear and onscreen death, youd basically get old cartoons. The premises were often similar and sci fi aesthetics usually dominated. Superhero shows are quite analogus to anime fighting shounens. Aside from that, other genres seem to be unique to their respective mediums and its up to personal preferences to pick favourites. |
VoivodianApr 16, 2017 2:56 AM
Apr 16, 2017 2:42 AM
#113
CrimsonResonance said: Here's to hoping mah boi Jack ushers in a whole new era of western animation as an outlet for creative expression. As much as I hope otherwise, its more of a refreshing freak outlier than industry changer. |
Apr 16, 2017 3:34 AM
#114
Although many countries hire japanese animators to animate their films and many do not call it anime since they do not appear in MAL, some western animators working on western cartoons actually learned from japanese animators so it depends which aspect you are looking at this subject from... |
HyukchovySep 4, 2017 7:35 AM
Apr 16, 2017 5:39 AM
#115
DrGeroCreation said: corwin_r said: He made a thread saying one thing is vastly superior to another and I disagreed and gave a counter argument. Arguments are between two opposing opinions and if everyone has the same opinion then it's just a circle jerk. Also there are people that agreed with him. If I'm cancerous simply for not agreeing with him then so be it.Your thread might be just plain old bait, OP, but it was funny seeing how westaboos turned out to be as cancerous as weebs are, and on a weeb website to boot. Will the day come when we won't be able to appreciate anime on Myanimelist? Snafu! I misread the Westaboo part as plain ol weeaboo. I admit I am surprised at how defensive people are of cartoons on an anime website but I welcome any counter arguments! Many people dont agree with my thread and its been a great educational experience to know why! The people who do agree with the thread or at least, prefer anime are a lot less vocal for some reason. Its like they feel that the reasons anime is better/ they prefer anime should be quite self explanatory; given the fact that the users of this site are mostly anime watchers. |
VoivodianApr 16, 2017 5:45 AM
Apr 16, 2017 5:58 AM
#116
Voivodian said: I do feel like that if you took old anime, downgraded animation quality a little bit, drew the faces in comic book styles, made every dude buff and censored every swear and onscreen death, youd basically get old cartoons. The premises were often similar and sci fi aesthetics usually dominated. How old anime are we talking about? I'm just guessing 80's because that seems to be the period that people like the most. Also that's the time period when American TV produced tons of cartoons, it's said to be the best time for kids in USA because they were the biggest marketing group. That really was the point with creating so many cartoons, to sell merchandises to kids, many movies got their own animated TV shows just to sell merchandise even if the movie wasn't for kids. Now if we compare it to 80's animes there's the big difference, during the 60's-70's anime/manga already got their older audience so they didn't need to sell anymore to kids. Series were shorter and creating merchandises wasn't always the main point. Western animations still hasn't been able to do that. But here's the fun part. Many 80's cartoons are actually animated in japan or partly (tbh Transformers g1 is one of the worst animated series, thanks Toei). And if we take 80's anime that also has as many episodes like 80's cartoons the animation quality is close to same, like Captain Tsubasa and Alvin & Chipmunks both started in 1983 and have over 100 episodes and imo Chipmunks has better animation quality. As for the actual content of the show and art style, it's really no different from anime on that part. Same tropes and elements are used over and over because it sells just like in West. But one I give to western animations is the different art styles, we have something like Lucky Luke, Barbapapa, X-men, David the gnome, Duck Tales, He-Man and the masters of the universe, The New adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Garbage pail kids etc. While when I think about anime the only shows that come to my mind that had their unique style are shows that are older and got 80's reboot, Dragonball, Taa-chan, Patalliro, Laughing Salesman, Sherlock Hound and Queen Millenia. I can't remember anything special style wise from that era. But hey when we combine western and japanese cartoons we get some nice stuff like Tao Tao (really unique animation style), Alfred J. Kwak (kids show where literally Hitler is the enemy) and Cybersix (woman crossdressing and beating bad quys? Yes please). So I'm probably on the boat that both East and West have their own qualities and bad parts. |
Apr 16, 2017 7:04 AM
#117
urpoutta said: How old anime are we talking about? I'm just guessing 80's because that seems to be the period that people like the most. I wouldnt know enough about pre 80s western tv animations to make any comparisons there. Generally 80/90s tv anime appeals more to my adult (though hardly a mature adult) sensibilities than contemporary cartoons do. |
Apr 16, 2017 10:21 AM
#118
"Everything I like is objectively better than everything else." grow the fuck up, you elitist faggot. Art comes in different forms. |
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Apr 16, 2017 10:42 AM
#119
Tonysol67 said: Avatar the last air bender>>> 90% of anime I couldnt agree more. But then again, avatar the last airbender is anime inspired |
Apr 16, 2017 10:51 AM
#120
Petryca said: Tonysol67 said: Avatar the last air bender>>> 90% of anime I couldnt agree more. But then again, avatar the last airbender is anime inspired Some Ghibli's movies are based on western novel and Moebius's Arzach inspired Miyazaki for Nausicaa, it doesn't make them less japanese. |
Apr 16, 2017 12:13 PM
#121
Nothing is superior. Each art form and medium has its own ups and downs. I like both western and eastern animation. It's only depends whether you like it or not. |
Apr 16, 2017 12:15 PM
#122
Ezekiel said: Sorry, too busy watching Tom and Jerry and the Disney classics to give a damn. Bambi, the other day, was surprisingly good. I hadn't seen it in a lifetime. Tonight it's Pinocchio, which I've never fully seen for some reason. The Disney Golden Age doesn't even compare to the Renaissance. Bambi is mediocre; so is Pinocchio and everything released while Walt Disney himself was alive. |
Apr 16, 2017 12:19 PM
#123
On_the_Lam said: So far, the only great Disney Renaissance movie I've seen is Beauty and the Beast. Ezekiel said: Sorry, too busy watching Tom and Jerry and the Disney classics to give a damn. Bambi, the other day, was surprisingly good. I hadn't seen it in a lifetime. Tonight it's Pinocchio, which I've never fully seen for some reason. The Disney Golden Age doesn't even compare to the Renaissance. Bambi is mediocre; so is Pinocchio and everything released while Walt Disney himself was alive. |
Apr 16, 2017 12:54 PM
#124
Well yes, in terms of draftsmanship, there's no comparison. Then again, westerners don't even animate for cinematic animation anymore. |
Apr 16, 2017 1:00 PM
#125
Fui said: I have barely any interest in CG animation. I don't get the huge attraction. I rented Wall E (Haven't seen it since it was in theaters.), but as I'm looking at it now, I just think, "This would look better in 2D." The people look so artificial. Then again, westerners don't even animate for cinematic animation anymore. |
Apr 16, 2017 1:23 PM
#126
Ezekiel said: On_the_Lam said: So far, the only great Disney Renaissance movie I've seen is Beauty and the Beast. Ezekiel said: Sorry, too busy watching Tom and Jerry and the Disney classics to give a damn. Bambi, the other day, was surprisingly good. I hadn't seen it in a lifetime. Tonight it's Pinocchio, which I've never fully seen for some reason. The Disney Golden Age doesn't even compare to the Renaissance. Bambi is mediocre; so is Pinocchio and everything released while Walt Disney himself was alive. It wasn't nominated for Best Picture for nothing, and it deserved to win over Silence of the Lambs. I do believe The Little Mermaid and The Lion King are just as great, though. |
Apr 16, 2017 2:41 PM
#127
I agree, it is superior to western animation. Tatami Galaxy for example is more creative, more artistic and more important and more thematic rich than any western animation will ever be. |
Apr 16, 2017 3:00 PM
#128
Vlad4o said: Noesnecesario said: Isn't a bit ironic that all these people committed to be Anime fans diminish it so lightly at the sight of mere "Cartoons"? Personally, I'm in the philosophy of "Why no both?". I was thinking the exact same thing. At this point, why are these people even here ? And why can't we just choose both instead of arguing ? In the end they all are just animations Why we can't just say we love animation? They all end up been just different animation styles made by different countries |
Apr 16, 2017 3:03 PM
#129
TheBrainintheJar said: What makes you think quality of art can be quantified? If we can judge art by popularity then we don't need to experience art. Spend more time reading, dear friend. You're arguing a point i never made. |
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Apr 16, 2017 4:09 PM
#130
Feels loaded asking on an anime board if anime is better than other forms of media. It's mixed for me and depends on the anime. Zootopia is my favorite western animated movie, but Norm of the North was a thing. I love Death Parade, but Puta was also created. I do feel like people are being selective in what they deem good or bad in terms of anime while also ignoring the social elements between the two. Bojack Horseman I really can't think of an anime equivalent outside of Perfect Blue, nothing being made these days really compares to that netflix show. Simplier art style but that's not a bad thing since art shouldn't be limited like that to fit one mold. There are plenty of things I do think western cartoons do much better than what japanese shows do but we would also need to ask what are we comparing? Because it feels loaded to use the worst and bests I listed above as comparison pieces. |
Apr 16, 2017 4:32 PM
#131
Apr 16, 2017 4:33 PM
#132
Cartoons are not comparable with anime imho. Cartoons like South Park/Family Guy/Simpsons try to achieve a diffrent goal and are usually comedy heavy episodic shows. Anime on the other hand is like... everything you can imagine. |
Apr 16, 2017 4:36 PM
#133
Most of the time. There are some exceptions. If we are talking just the animation and not the shows as a whole I agree. I think many may have already pointed out Avatar The Last Airbender. I also think Samurai Jack is pretty good. |
Apr 16, 2017 5:15 PM
#134
Voivodian said: By comic book styles do you mean realistic facial character design where female characters can actually have lips and noses instead of just line for a mouth? It's funny how you can only really get that type of female character design in certain 90's OVAs while it was common in old action cartoons and currently in DC superhero cartoons with character designs by Phil Bourassa.I do feel like that if you took old anime, downgraded animation quality a little bit, drew the faces in comic book styles, made every dude buff and censored every swear and onscreen death, youd basically get old cartoons. The premises were often similar and sci fi aesthetics usually dominated. Damn how can a human being not even have a nose? Meanwhile in old cartoons (even as far back as the 70's) that are tv series not OVAs and movies we have lips and noses. How exactly are Fred , Jonny, Shaggy, Ace Ventura , Archie buff? You don't actually need to see a body covered in blood to know if someone has been killed. In 60's Jonny Quest characters got blown up and shot all the time and I knew they are dead since they make no future appearances , their bodies were lifeless or other characters said they were dead. No sci fi didn't dominate, sword and sorcery cartoons dominated in the 80's, mystery cartoons similar to Scooby Doo dominated in the 70's, action adventure dominated in the 60's with Jonny Quest, Herculoids, Space Ghost etc and also slice of life like Flintstones, Top Cat, Archie. |
Apr 16, 2017 5:17 PM
#135
in some cases this is true, but we still have south park, futurama, venture bros, etc... |
Apr 16, 2017 5:23 PM
#136
Fui said: It's okay if you like 2d hand drawn animation over 3d animation and stop motion animation but that doesn't stop them from being animation. Also there are French animated movies that use 2d animation like The Rabbi's cat, Ernest and Celestine, Zarafa.Well yes, in terms of draftsmanship, there's no comparison. Then again, westerners don't even animate for cinematic animation anymore. Ezekiel said: Sometimes 3d is more fitting though. Like the French animated movie Miniscule Valley of Ants wouldn't look good if 2d hand drawn animation was used for the insect characters instead of 3D. The 3D blends seamlessly with the live action background.I have barely any interest in CG animation. I don't get the huge attraction. I rented Wall E (Haven't seen it since it was in theaters.), but as I'm looking at it now, I just think, "This would look better in 2D." The people look so artificial. |
DrGeroCreationApr 16, 2017 5:35 PM
Apr 16, 2017 5:31 PM
#137
There are 6 or less good western animations and the only people that could dare to say those six are better that every anime can only be from the US a lot of them are biased towards them because is national As an example a lot people started saying that this new samurai jack season was better that every anime when it was just the same shit but with blood For me the only good western animation has been avatar needless to say avatar shares a lot of similarities with anime but I won't say it's better than all anime just because is good. Please start being objective get your facts together. |
Apr 16, 2017 5:31 PM
#138
In terms of 2D animated ahows, I tend to prefer anime to western animation. While western animation in general is better animated than anime due to more budget, better working conditions and art styles that lend themselves to better movement (and even then this is being contested by the rise of flash animation that just doesn't move as well and the ever-improving digital effects and sakuga in anime), I just can't connect to most western animation art styles the way I do to most anime art styles. My favorite western art styles that spring to mind are Star Vs. The Forces of Evil and Wander Over Yonder, the former of which draws a lot of inspiration from shoujo art and the latter of which is classic Disney art (which in turn influenced anime). On a storytelling front, I find anime has a broader scope. Most western animation I'm familiar with either limits itself too much due to avoiding a rating higher than PG or reveling in the fact that it's PG-13 or R and going full shock value. The biggest exception I've come across is Rick and Morty, which exploits the free reign its R rating gives it without ever feeling as though it's resorting to shock value. It helps that the writing is tight and it always has something interesting to say. The famous adult cartoon trio also succeeds, albeit to a lesser extent than Rick and Morty and without being quite as bold and impressive in terms of visuals. A lot of anime sticks its head up its own arse but the gems out there unrestricted in terms of content due to their timeslot are plentiful. Of course, more anime is produced than western animation so that is influential; but western animation is also limited to specific channels that very much dictate the content. That said, I'm not dissing family friendly cartoons. Gravity Falls was one of the greatest television shows of the decade in my opinion and it was run on Disney Channel and later Disney XD, and ran under their broadcast regulations (even if it stretched its rating quite a bit). Even then, there's things that you just don't see in western animation that are fairly widespread in anime. A lot of anime is adapted from some original source material, whereas most cartoons that come out are original. As such, they tend to adopt the structure of the work they are adapting, which a lot of times tell serialized or arc-based stories. Western animation tends to lean towards episodic storytelling, even if an overarching story is present. That's not to say most anime are serialized; far from it due to the advent of slice of life, but the ratio is still greater than with cartoons. When it comes to 2D animated movies, I'd say the west had it until the rise of 3D animation. Where there's a lot more anime TV series than there are western animated TV series, the inverse used to be true for movies. Disney alone probably produced more 2D animated movies than there are anime movies that don't form part of a franchise. The biggest name for anime movies was Studio Ghibli. It wasn't until the death of 2D animated movies in the west and the rise of names like Shinkai in Japan that they started catching up. Now, while quantity was a losing proposition, quality is another manner altogether and highly debatable. I'd argue anime movies received more polish due to being far and few in between, but I digress. That said, the west handily wins out with 3D. Outside of examples of usage for backgrounds like ufotable's spectacular 3DCG in their Type-Moon adaptations, CG in Japan needs a lot of work. Full 3DCG anime needs a LOT of work. While full 3DCG cartoons aren't that common, in general they look rather decent (save for butt ugly kids' cartoons on Disney Junior and such). That said, the quality of CG in movies is astounding. Pixar easily leads the game but Disney's in-house studio among others are catching up. Japan may have a couple of features that look nice in CG but as long as they keep sticking to cel-shaded, low-poly CG, there will be trouble. |
Apr 16, 2017 5:35 PM
#139
Says the little boy with barely any experience in cartoons. You're not the only one, though. |
Apr 16, 2017 5:42 PM
#140
ztdz800 said: That's BS. So anyone that thinks anime is better is Japanese then? I'm NOT from the US and western cartoons aren't only American cartoons.the only people that could dare to say those six are better that every anime can only be from the US a lot of them are biased towards them because is national |
Apr 16, 2017 5:48 PM
#141
DrGeroCreation said: Voivodian said: By comic book styles do you mean realistic facial character design where female characters can actually have lips and noses instead of just line for a mouth? It's funny how you can only really get that type of female character design in certain 90's OVAs while it was common in old action cartoons and currently in DC superhero cartoons with character designs by Phil Bourassa.I do feel like that if you took old anime, downgraded animation quality a little bit, drew the faces in comic book styles, made every dude buff and censored every swear and onscreen death, youd basically get old cartoons. The premises were often similar and sci fi aesthetics usually dominated. Damn how can a human being not even have a nose? Meanwhile in old cartoons (even as far back as the 70's) that are tv series not OVAs and movies we have lips and noses. How exactly are Fred , Jonny, Shaggy, Ace Ventura , Archie buff? You don't actually need to see a body covered in blood to know if someone has been killed. In 60's Jonny Quest characters got blown up and shot all the time and I knew they are dead since they make no future appearances , their bodies were lifeless or other characters said they were dead. No sci fi didn't dominate, sword and sorcery cartoons dominated in the 80's, mystery cartoons similar to Scooby Doo dominated in the 70's, action adventure dominated in the 60's with Jonny Quest, Herculoids, Space Ghost etc and also slice of life like Flintstones, Top Cat, Archie. Thanks for clearing alot of things up regarding pre 80s cartoons. Not many on this thread have talked in depth about that period yet. I was mostly talking about 80/90s anime vs cartoons. Im pretty sure thats where 90% of male characters were buff. Now that you do mention it, fantasy tropes seemed to be dominant in old cartoons as sci fi was in old anime. Just as how fantasy in old anime played close second while sci fi was the close second in old cartoons. In the end, I wish they didnt censor cartoons so much. Its the same reason why i cant enjoy hentai as much as i potentially could. Thanks for reminding me of The Mask. Theres a rare cartoon I would watch nowdays despite my strong anime sensibilities. I swear, I got into anime still preferring the realistic facial proportions of old cartoons and comic books. Nowdays, Id pick a spunky redheaded dollface anime girl or generic broad shouldered 80s pseudo bishounen hero over western character designs anyday. |
Apr 16, 2017 5:50 PM
#142
DrGeroCreation said: Well Canada has a couple of them, that reminds me that most of the western animations I kinda liked were Canadianztdz800 said: That's BS. So anyone that thinks anime is better is Japanese then? I'm NOT from the US and western cartoons aren't only American cartoons.the only people that could dare to say those six are better that every anime can only be from the US a lot of them are biased towards them because is national |
Apr 16, 2017 5:51 PM
#143
Well to say that one is superior to the other is something I would never do tbh, why not both? Although The western Animation front has it better figured out when it comes to industry. As far as I know, there is no Shortage of animators and harsh working conditions in the Western animation industry. And @DrGeroCreation yes some lips would be appreciated. Although the no lips no nose rule probably came from the old days where they had to compromise style and animation to save the costs (hence why Mechas were big in the 70's because it was easier to animate mechs than to animate humans). |
Apr 16, 2017 5:55 PM
#144
ztdz800 said: There are 6 or less good western animations I'm sure the amount is just a tad more than a mere six. |
Apr 16, 2017 5:59 PM
#145
cruisin1600 said: ztdz800 said: There are 6 or less good western animations I'm sure the amount is just a tad more than a mere six. Though there is definately much more good, mature anime than there are good mature cartoons. |
Apr 16, 2017 6:01 PM
#146
Kurt_Irving said: Says the little boy with barely any experience in cartoons. You're not the only one, though. If you read my other posts it should become quite clear that I generally know what im talking about. Implying someone is immature for not liking cartoons is a bit ironic isnt it? At least its a lot easier for an adult to justify watching anime. |
VoivodianApr 16, 2017 6:05 PM
Apr 16, 2017 6:08 PM
#147
Toa_of_Gallifrey said: In terms of 2D animated ahows, I tend to prefer anime to western animation. While western animation in general is better animated than anime due to more budget, better working conditions and art styles that lend themselves to better movement (and even then this is being contested by the rise of flash animation that just doesn't move as well and the ever-improving digital effects and sakuga in anime), I just can't connect to most western animation art styles the way I do to most anime art styles. My favorite western art styles that spring to mind are Star Vs. The Forces of Evil and Wander Over Yonder, the former of which draws a lot of inspiration from shoujo art and the latter of which is classic Disney art (which in turn influenced anime). On a storytelling front, I find anime has a broader scope. Most western animation I'm familiar with either limits itself too much due to avoiding a rating higher than PG or reveling in the fact that it's PG-13 or R and going full shock value. The biggest exception I've come across is Rick and Morty, which exploits the free reign its R rating gives it without ever feeling as though it's resorting to shock value. It helps that the writing is tight and it always has something interesting to say. The famous adult cartoon trio also succeeds, albeit to a lesser extent than Rick and Morty and without being quite as bold and impressive in terms of visuals. A lot of anime sticks its head up its own arse but the gems out there unrestricted in terms of content due to their timeslot are plentiful. Of course, more anime is produced than western animation so that is influential; but western animation is also limited to specific channels that very much dictate the content. That said, I'm not dissing family friendly cartoons. Gravity Falls was one of the greatest television shows of the decade in my opinion and it was run on Disney Channel and later Disney XD, and ran under their broadcast regulations (even if it stretched its rating quite a bit). Even then, there's things that you just don't see in western animation that are fairly widespread in anime. A lot of anime is adapted from some original source material, whereas most cartoons that come out are original. As such, they tend to adopt the structure of the work they are adapting, which a lot of times tell serialized or arc-based stories. Western animation tends to lean towards episodic storytelling, even if an overarching story is present. That's not to say most anime are serialized; far from it due to the advent of slice of life, but the ratio is still greater than with cartoons. When it comes to 2D animated movies, I'd say the west had it until the rise of 3D animation. Where there's a lot more anime TV series than there are western animated TV series, the inverse used to be true for movies. Disney alone probably produced more 2D animated movies than there are anime movies that don't form part of a franchise. The biggest name for anime movies was Studio Ghibli. It wasn't until the death of 2D animated movies in the west and the rise of names like Shinkai in Japan that they started catching up. Now, while quantity was a losing proposition, quality is another manner altogether and highly debatable. I'd argue anime movies received more polish due to being far and few in between, but I digress. That said, the west handily wins out with 3D. Outside of examples of usage for backgrounds like ufotable's spectacular 3DCG in their Type-Moon adaptations, CG in Japan needs a lot of work. Full 3DCG anime needs a LOT of work. While full 3DCG cartoons aren't that common, in general they look rather decent (save for butt ugly kids' cartoons on Disney Junior and such). That said, the quality of CG in movies is astounding. Pixar easily leads the game but Disney's in-house studio among others are catching up. Japan may have a couple of features that look nice in CG but as long as they keep sticking to cel-shaded, low-poly CG, there will be trouble. This is perhaps the single fucking best comment that this thread will ever have. |
Apr 16, 2017 6:09 PM
#148
Voivodian said: cruisin1600 said: ztdz800 said: There are 6 or less good western animations I'm sure the amount is just a tad more than a mere six. Though there is definately much more good, mature anime than there are good mature cartoons. Yes, that is definitely true, but when it comes to how well the animation is created - whether it be CGI or 2D - I find Western animation to be much better. Some other posters have said that too. I still (almost exclusively) prefer anime since I find the characters, plot, premise, etc. to be more enjoyable than Western animations, however. |
Apr 16, 2017 6:10 PM
#149
Go watch Bambi. Lol. Anime is still trying to catch up to that. |
The anime community in a nutshell. |
Apr 16, 2017 6:14 PM
#150
cruisin1600 said: Well, I mean this kind of threads started just a few years ago, before it would have been an easy choice for most people, but because there was an explosion of good western series (haven't watched them so I don't know their quality) so people started mentioning adventure time, over the garden wall, Steven universe, gravity falls and I added the ones I knew like avatar and rick and Morty maybe now I could add samurai jack.ztdz800 said: There are 6 or less good western animations I'm sure the amount is just a tad more than a mere six. Obviously there's a lot more, but it's those 6 the ones that started this daily kind of thread. Don't get me wrong, I like a couple of them and have nothing against them, the thing is you can't say one is better than the others just because 6 or more good series recently |
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