| I am currently watching Love Live School Idol Project. IT has a great premise...but I am currently 6 episodes in and I think it's okay. But it got me thinking about these type of shows. Granted they have slowed do since the K-On but are still around and everytime I try to watch one. I am bored out of my mind and people just forget the show. It seems only Azumanga Daioh and Lucky Star are masters of the mundane.(Kick ass English Dubs too). So why do I think they're lazy? Well just like shouen anime the writers and creator just use tropes to make characters and stories. They don't do anything new. They just draw the cute girl in skirts and done. I mean it is a problem when you can line up every schoolgirl in anime from late 2000s to right now and describe them with one work and maybe another adjective. "She is a bitch but she is cute. "She is funny but she is also cute." So it seems they just can't get away with just saying the character is cute. They don't give these girls any meat(lol) and just come off as one dimensional characters. It seems to be the easy go to do anything. Motorcycle? Throw cute girls on it. Battles? Throw cute girls on it. Assassins? Throw cute girls who are slightly crazy on it. That's it and it's kind of annoying since I think the anime industry can make an amazing female characters. (Ryuko, Panty, Stocking. Mistao, Esdeath, and etc.). Them being cute isn't the problem if you ask me, but just how lazy the writers are to take the next step. Anyway what are your thoughts? |
| I got a Masters degree. I don't have to worry bout school anymore. |
| Cute Girls shows are not lazy dude... They're doing something cutely... How on Earth can that be lazy? |
_Ako_ said: Lazy as in construct of a narrative. Not base on the actions of a characters but I think you're joking. Though this reminds me of a scene from spongebob that can explain what I mean better.Cute Girls shows are not lazy dude... They're doing something cutely... How on Earth can that be lazy? |
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MasterHavik said: _Ako_ said: Lazy as in construct of a narrative. Not base on the actions of a characters but I think you're joking. Though this reminds me of a scene from spongebob that can explain what I mean better.Cute Girls shows are not lazy dude... They're doing something cutely... How on Earth can that be lazy? I mean it, CGDCT is not a lazy in terms of narrative or anything, at least that's what I feel... I don't really look at something and assume it's a symbolism of something that will relate to human nature. So, I think if you're looking at it in a subjective perspective, you could say that, not that I care in which area you look it from... |
| Cute girl shows are just like any other show but the character designs are intended to cause emotions of wanting to protect the characters. Aikatsu had 100 characters who all had some development and the main ones were all well written. Railgun is praised for being better than its original battle shounen counterpart not only because of cute girls but mostly because of the better writing (also apparently the adaption stayed closer to the novel than Index did). Cute girl shows aren't a genre any more than clamation or CGI could be considered "genres". It's a way of drawing the characters and nothing more. If you can't appreciate cute characters then your testosterone levels haven't dropped enough. If a show like Shirobako had boring gritty realistic looking characters it would be as enjoyable as it is with its cute characters. |
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_Ako_ said: Oh that is fine! Well with the shows I mention in the OP I'm not looking for super depth but moreso meat to the characters and a direction. If you just make them cute and that's it...it's gets boring fast. Even with the shows that do a little extra they are destined to be average.MasterHavik said: Lazy as in construct of a narrative. Not base on the actions of a characters but I think you're joking. Though this reminds me of a scene from spongebob that can explain what I mean better. I mean it, CGDCT is not a lazy in terms of narrative or anything, at least that's what I feel... I don't really look at something and assume it's a symbolism of something that will relate to human nature. So, I think if you're looking at it in a subjective perspective, you could say that, not that I care in which area you look it from... |
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MasterHavik said: _Ako_ said: Oh that is fine! Well with the shows I mention in the OP I'm not looking for super depth but moreso meat to the characters and a direction. If you just make them cute and that's it...it's gets boring fast. Even with the shows that do a little extra they are destined to be average.I mean it, CGDCT is not a lazy in terms of narrative or anything, at least that's what I feel... I don't really look at something and assume it's a symbolism of something that will relate to human nature. So, I think if you're looking at it in a subjective perspective, you could say that, not that I care in which area you look it from... In a situation wherein the setting of the series is "dark" and the creator/director will somehow push some cute girls in the show is, probably the thing you're talking about... Kinda like in S;G at first half, and the shit happened... Well, Cute characters, in a narrative perspective just adds to the light-hearted atmosphere or optimistic mood... So, I generally incorporate cute characters to either Ecchi/harem or CGDCT. |
| Guess Moe isn't your type then. What else is new? |
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kamisama751 said: Since when are these kind of shows not bland? When... I'm the viewer, probably? OppaiSugoi said: Guess Moe isn't your type then. What else is new? New? I'm gonna start Love Live! Sunshine!! so excited seeing waifus dancing kawaii again... |
_Ako_ said: kamisama751 said: Since when are these kind of shows not bland? When... I'm the viewer, probably? OppaiSugoi said: Guess Moe isn't your type then. What else is new? New? I'm gonna start Love Live! Sunshine!! so excited seeing waifus dancing kawaii again... asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdf |
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They are not! OP is just a big baka >:T I haven't watch any shows that focus on cute girls, but have seen plenty with them :) It many just be a type of show that is not for you, such as complaining about a fan service show when the whole point of the show is fan service. |
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OppaiSugoi said: _Ako_ said: When... I'm the viewer, probably? New? I'm gonna start Love Live! Sunshine!! so excited seeing waifus dancing kawaii again... asdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdfasdf Don't worry dude... I understand that.... |
Shoegum said: Well it gives me the meat I want. I like Lucky Star, but what does Lucky Star do that Love Live or Bakuon doesn't? I mean... it's characters are based on tropes as well. Well moe anime not being my thing? Well....I am down or anything. I mean I like Strike Witches for fucks sake. Not all these shows are bad. I mean gunslinger girl is cute little girls with guns...and actually kicks ass. I don't hate a genre but the majority I see is just lazyyyyyyyy. |
| I got a Masters degree. I don't have to worry bout school anymore. |
| Cute girls for people who like cute girls. Simple as that. Not every anime has to be Madoka Magica levels of deep. Some anime are simply made to have us watchers have a good time. I don't primarily watch Symphogear for the girls or the story. I just want to see how crazy it can get. XD |
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Tarotist said: Well there is a way to do simple without being boring. Look at Azumanga Daioh for example.Cute girls for people who like cute girls. Simple as that. Not every anime has to be Madoka Magica levels of deep. Some anime are simply made to have us watchers have a good time. I don't primarily watch Symphogear for the girls or the story. I just want to see how crazy it can get. XD |
| I got a Masters degree. I don't have to worry bout school anymore. |
Tarotist said: Cute girls for people who like cute girls. Simple as that. Not every anime has to be Madoka Magica levels of deep But those who have just finished watching Madoka will grab a SoL, and then rants about it because its not like Madoka... MasterHavik said: Tarotist said: Well there is a way to do simple without being boring. Look at Azumanga Daioh for example.Cute girls for people who like cute girls. Simple as that. Not every anime has to be Madoka Magica levels of deep. Some anime are simply made to have us watchers have a good time. I don't primarily watch Symphogear for the girls or the story. I just want to see how crazy it can get. XD Well, you can also say the same like Minami-ke or Ichigo Mashiro... And so on and so forth... |
| I hear you OP. Moe is mostly bland thoughtless shit. |
| They don't really need to work harder to make more money out of it. So yep :s |
Lol... I'd agree on that one.. I mean I just.. You know... enjoy it... |
_Ako_ said: MasterHavik said: Oh that is fine! Well with the shows I mention in the OP I'm not looking for super depth but moreso meat to the characters and a direction. If you just make them cute and that's it...it's gets boring fast. Even with the shows that do a little extra they are destined to be average. In a situation wherein the setting of the series is "dark" and the creator/director will somehow push some cute girls in the show is, probably the thing you're talking about... Kinda like in S;G at first half, and the shit happened... Well, Cute characters, in a narrative perspective just adds to the light-hearted atmosphere or optimistic mood... So, I generally incorporate cute characters to either Ecchi/harem or CGDCT. He's talking about CGDCT type shows, and yeah. They're generally lazy. Like you can have CGDCT and still have a point and direction like Love Lab but most of them are snoozefests. I tried watching Girlfriend Beta, Sore Ga Seiyuu, Kiniro Mosaic, Nagato Yuuki Chan, Re-Kan and shows like that but hot damn, I can't see how people goble them up like they do. It's like you can feel the production team's non-comittal disinterest in their own work when you watch them, and I hate seeing that. Like... how am I supposed to like a show when it seems the people making it hate it. |
 She's moe as fuck and she comes from an anime known for having the best writing and a very inventive plot. If you say that the gender ratio is a problem then would you consider Hyouka and Kamisama no Memochou to not be moe just because they also have some male characters? There are even anime like Shounen Maid which are pretty much moe shows with only males. |
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| Have you ever seen Non Non Biyori? Let me tell why I like those shows: they relax me and make me feel good. And they are not all the same. A good CGDCT has to have characters that have chemistry and are fun to watch together, and also provide heartwarming moments among them. There are few things that make me smile more than seeing a group of friends having fun together, especially cute girls. When I watch NNB, for example, I just feel like I'm in my dream. I forget about all the bad things in the world and in my life, and I pretend I'm there with them. I pretend I'm just an innocent child with a world to explore and with friends that really like me and I really like their company. Some episodes even get me close to crying of joy. It's just that amazing imo. As for LL!, it's not a pure CGDCT, but I also enjoy the girls interactions a lot. LL! focuses more on the bond among the girls. How they grow to share the same goal, how they develop throughout the story, and how deeply they care about each other (that is especially evident in Sunshine). S1 is the weakest imo. S2 and S3 are better. In the beginning, I admit I had a little prejudice towards Sunshine. But upon seeing all the character development and what they went through, I've grown really fond of Aqours. P.S.: Nice you like Steven Universe. I'm also a fan. |
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| I'm not sure if I have watched enough of those kinds of shows (I'm not sure if series like Oreimo counts since they doesn't have a main cast consisting of cute girls living their daily lifes), but Toaru Kagaku no Railgun's SoL fillers were one of the most painfully boring things I have the disgrace to watch. If the moe SoL shows are like that, then I can say those are definetely not for me. |
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Trolling isn't any more mature either. |
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You know you're talking about yourself, right? You're the one who labels yourself as a troll, not me. ;) |
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| you can earn a lot money by one of the following methods: -> spending your entire life suffering -> quickly putting together a show with cute girls I'd also pick the second choice |
| @kamisama751, I don't get it. On one hand, you say CGDCT shows are killing the industry and you call them lazy, but on the other hand you call NNB(a CGDCT) the only watchable show of summer 2015. That's quite nonsensical. |
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| Lazily written probably. The animators certainly aren't lazy. Cute girls anime seem to be where a lot of the money and effort is spent to create genuinely pretty looking works with considerable revenue so who am I to criticize a working formula |
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MasterHavik said: kill me baby was pretty good/funny thoSo it seems they just can't get away with just saying the character is cute. They don't give these girls any meat(lol) and just come off as one dimensional characters. It seems to be the easy go to do anything. Motorcycle? Throw cute girls on it. Battles? Throw cute girls on it. Assassins? Throw cute girls who are slightly crazy on it. |
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| Don't watch them. These anime aren't created to be super smart or super deep..... Its just made to make us smile and its just a fun concept. |
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DeplorableNico said: demonskul777 said: you can earn a lot money by one of the following methods: -> spending your entire life suffering -> quickly putting together a show with cute girls I'd also pick the second choice You would have to be autistic if you picked Choice 1 unironically. What's lazy is not creating anime but spending every day of your entire life criticizing it only because it makes you feel better. They need to get a job or do something productive with their lives. Are you talking about me or OP because I feel like this is adressed at me, while I wasn't even critisising anything, but just using OP's words. |
| Oh hell no, someone just talked shit about my Rabu Raibu... *Mom, get me my AK, some schlik just talked shit about my waifu on the internet* |
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kamisama751 said: Where have I said CGDCT is killing the industry? Quotation needed. Also NNB is more than just another bland CGDCT (surprised me). However, a few exception don't set the rules. CGDCT in general are still very boring and bland. You seem to suffer from a severe form of amnesia. Check your profile. Also, about the auto-labelling as troll, I'm not going to bother searching it just to show you. If you get the right meds, you'll remember it just fine. Don't worry. |
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kamisama751 said: Since when are these kind of shows not bland? Subjective and depends on the show and what the trope does for the viewer. Lucky Star may not be as deep as Aria the Origination or contains good story telling like Romeo no aoi sora, but I think it depends on how the trope is executed. Also, they're pretty fun and helps us smile. Its fine if people dislike them, but I'm happy they exist. |
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| way to bait all the moeblob fans man... nice try though.... |
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kamisama751 said: Yet you try to insult me before instead of actually arguing or backing up your statement. Jesus christ, for somebody who tries to put up the front of a shitposter, it sure seems like you're really quick to get defensive and start blowing smoke out of your ass. I mean, if you can't handle people getting mad at you, maybe it's not your calling. |
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| in kamisama's defense, a lot CGDCT have one-dimensional characters and pointless plotlines, that solely depend on "being cute" to get viewers. There is a lack of solid jokes, and character developement, while the show is fully based around characters, and never mind a decent setting, since they can just pick any nameless town to let the events take place in. Which, as a critic, I cannot label as a good story, nor good story-telling. However, neither is he saying that you can't enjoy it, as empathic beings humans get a warm feeling from people being happy and cute, and as lonely otaku you feel attracted to cute girls. it's understandable, however kamisama watches shows because he's interested in good characters and world-building, combined with good directing and a good narrative, which CGDCT just doesn't manage most of the time. So out of his point of view, they are bland and boring. |
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