| a rare trope i'd certainly love to see more of goes well hand in hand with "the hero dies" tv tropes pages for reference http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DecoyProtagonist http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHeroDies |
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| Only one anime comes to mind... I won't say it because spoiler Well, as much as I prefer, I like tragedies, so it's fun to see dead mcs. However, if you do some story like A is introduced B is introduced in middle A dies at 3/4 B is considered the MC and finishes the story then that story is overall shit and the time wasted for A |
| I like it, although I like Decoy Damsel in Distress more.. |
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| If the new protagonists it's fine, then I don't mind that the previous supossedly main characters dies or retires from the story. Not that I have seen that example in animes many times. |
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| It's a very rare trope. In fact the only anime that I've seen that utilized this trope is Ga Rei: Zero although it used it mostly for shock factor but it worked quite well. Personally, I find it interesting and would be delighted to see more of it used well other than for shock factor. I believe Claymore would've worked better if they used this trope in the manga. |
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| with a really complicated plot twist, story, characterization and character development, yeah, sure it would be awsome imo. |
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| Just like anything else, if it's used well. Idc. |
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| That happens more for antagonists then anything,it would be pretty weird for an mc to just die at the middle and say fuck it he wasn't important anyway. |
| I like the idea of a witness protagonist, like that book Demian did. My hopes is that Violet Evergarden does that shit. Other than that, as long as the fake MC that passes the flag is remembered for more than "he looked like the MC but he died", I'm okay. |
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| So you mean like with Nichibros, Yuru Yuri, and Nanatsu no Taizai? All three of them have group casts so it doesn't really make too much of a difference to me that the character who is introduced to us as the protagonist is actually more of a supporting character. The only protagonists I've seen die don't die until the end of their respective series. |
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| I guess TTGL did a good job with that, I´d like to see more |
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| Personally, I wish that this was done more often. Not all the time, but a little more than the rare occurrences where it happens. When it's done right, it really leaves a lasting impression. Sometimes I wished it happened in some anime... But if it's done poorly, then that's going to hurt the anime a lot... I'm looking at you, Gundam Seed Destiny... |
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| Sometimes this trope can help to save a manga/anime, by making a shitty protagonist vanish from a good story, and come up with something better. |
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| Pretty awesome when done right! ^.^ |
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| It's lit imo, I love a good plot twist I wish there was more anime with fake protags |
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| if the protagonists are not relevant to the story anymore, why do not kill them off? |
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| Yuru Yuri was great, I don't see what the problem is! |
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| I was just saying I don't have an issue with them. So basically it doesn't matter, as long as it's done properly it's fine. |
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| It's rather interesting to say the least. |
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Seidou_Takizawa said: The number of anime I've seen that have either a death shown on screen or a death that is mentioned that happens chronologically after the series starts (ie. not just that some characters have dead parents) is quite low compared to the total number of anime I've seen. My chances of seeing an anime with a rare trope to do with death would be very low.zombie_pegasus said: So you mean like with Nichibros, Yuru Yuri, and Nanatsu no Taizai? All three of them have group casts so it doesn't really make too much of a difference to me that the character who is introduced to us as the protagonist is actually more of a supporting character. The only protagonists I've seen die don't die until the end of their respective series. Was mostly referring to shows that have one supposed main character but that character end up either dieing or being discarded as the main lead, being then replaced by another character (the "real" protagonist). Sorry if i confused you >.< There are very few animes that use this trope so i can understand why you might have not seen a show that as a false protagonist. |
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| I do like the idea, but it's one I'd want to be extremely careful with if I was writing the script. You'd really have to make sure that 1st MC's replacement is both solidly developed and well received by the audience otherwise it might just kill off the show too. The thing I like the most about the concept is that it means the MC wouldn't have plot armour just for being the MC (not that there aren't other ways to do this). As it stands right now though it's rare enough to where most people seem to assume that the MC always wins in the end, and it carries more meaning because of that widespread notion. |
| Uh do you mean like with ? If so then I think it worked well in this case cuz it was necessary for character development. |
| I think it's a good trick. Makes it more thrilling. Also gives you satisfaction if you picked up some hints about the false MC dying. |
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| It's a cool idea, but what is the purpose? If all it does is to suckerpunch the viewer with "Haha! You thought X but really Y!" then what's the point? |
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| You literally just created a trope. And I don't see the point in it either. I mean I guess it could be used pretty well to set a base for the story of help its development in some way.. |
| This needs to appear more often, but not too often please, I don't want to see this becomes cliched |
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| Honestly I'd like to see more of this, its not common from what I've seen and just adds another layer... Rather than being all cliche 'n' shit |
Seidou_Takizawa said: TheBrainintheJar said: It's a cool idea, but what is the purpose? If all it does is to suckerpunch the viewer with "Haha! You thought X but really Y!" then what's the point? Is mostly used to surprise the viewer yes, but it can be an interesting concept if used correctly. For once it can give us multiple point of views (character X and character Y view point), it breaks the mold of our standard plot armoured MC like @TKB928 pointed out and can also be used as a interesting plot device and set up for a story. Ofc i'm not saying this trope doesn't have its down sides, but is one that i personally am interesting to see used more often. Gesu- said: You literally just created a trope. And I don't see the point in it either. I mean I guess it could be used pretty well to set a base for the story of help its development in some way.. Oh cool, i feel important :^) XD I don't believe breaking a necessary element of storytelling - the protagonist - for the sake of being different is good. It's not meaningful, but only exists for the surprise effect. Once it wears off you're left with nothing. I can imagine this technique being used cleverly, of course. Character death can be emotionally engrossing and meaningful. I'm mainly talking about what the purpose of this technique should be in order for it to contribute. |
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| I hope Eren Yeager is a false protagonist. It's not a trope that's used very often but if done well it can be quite good |
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Seidou_Takizawa said: TheBrainintheJar said: I don't believe breaking a necessary element of storytelling - the protagonist - for the sake of being different is good. It's not meaningful, but only exists for the surprise effect. Once it wears off you're left with nothing. I can imagine this technique being used cleverly, of course. Character death can be emotionally engrossing and meaningful. I'm mainly talking about what the purpose of this technique should be in order for it to contribute. In most shows you know the MC will only die at the end, no matter how scary/danger a situation may be he/she will not die which breaks a little the tension the show is trying to portray. So i dont think having this kinda of characters being used is not necessary bad. Like i state it before the primary objective of a false protagonist is to surprise the viewer yes, but if it is used correctly it can be quite good. It realy depends on the writting yes and i undestand your point of view, i just personaly liked to see this trope used more often ^^ I actually just finished a trilogy of novels that killed its main character. It wasn't for the sake of surprise, though. We saw the effect of death on the other characters and how they react to it. By the way, the Tragedy genre often ends in character deaths. |
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| It seems like most people here assume the false protagonist needs to die. The false protagonist can actually end up being a secondary character or antagonist in the story. One of my favorite novels did this, and I thought that this method of storytelling really made the introduction memorable. I would also like to note that in this case, the false protagonist setup did not rely on shock value at all. Not only that, but using it actually improved the narrative, since it made the introduction very nerve-wracking and both the false protagonist and the plot points introduced at the start were very important later in the story. |
| It can be done well. Most of the time it isn't. Most of the time it's done for edge points. |
| A pretty rare trope! I would say the decoy protag doesn't have to necessarily die in order to reveal the true protag, something as simple as a switch in POV could work. Higurashi pulls this off pretty well, with the Decoy being oblivious to what's going on, thus setting up the mystery, and then switching to the True Protag to help solve the mysteries. |
romagia said: a rare trope i'd certainly love to see more of goes well hand in hand with "the hero dies" tv tropes pages for reference http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DecoyProtagonist http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheHeroDies omg, tvtropes are so lame how dare you post a link to them... |
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| Althought it quickly stops (after around 35 manga pages I think, while the manga is 17 volumes long), it's very well done in I really liked the way that beginning was done. |
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| Didn't Magi do this? At first I thought Alibaba was the main but it ends up Aladdin. |
| Soooooo....We're all thinking about Kamina but no one wants to say it? People....its been 10 years. At this point it's not a spoiler anymore. It's like "L" (Death Note)....sorry....not a spoiler anymore. Too much time has gone by. BTW......Bruce Willis was actually a ghost in the 6th Sense! And Snape killed Dumbledore. |
| I can recall literally nothing that I've seen which does this except for maybe so I don't think that's the right trope. |
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