Which do you think the General Public shuns more?
| Excluding Weeaboos, Otakus, Roleplay, and other parts of the culture others may enjoy, what rational reasons regarding Anime would you say makes the general public uneasy? Also if you are familiar with a lot of mainstream titles, what makes them appealing to the general public in many diverse countries? Is Anime too niche when it's only produced in Japan? Discuss. For more clarification Examples for Poll: This picture is SFW, it's fine. What a Non-Anime fan may say: In a nutshell. By general public, I mean non-fans who are either trying to watch anime for the first time or has never heard of it. Anyone who has watched multiple anime and is vocal about what is wrong with it doesn't count. |
LogicalInjusticeJun 28, 2016 2:21 PM
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| actually the general public thinks that anime is kids'cartoon and that's it. unless more seinen become mainstream that wont change |
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| I think it has lot to do with the echi and pervertedness anime is known for on the internet. And those who dont know that see it as simple cartoons. Mainstream stuff like attack on titan and DeathNote don't seem that humorous or perverted to first time viewers. A friend of mine only watched dragon ball z until he watched death note on my recommendation. Now he is watching fairy tale and seven deadly sins which he would not have watched six months ago. It takes on serious anime to get people into it. |
everynamestaken said: actually the general public thinks that anime is kids'cartoon and that's it. unless more seinen become mainstream that wont change I wouldn't necessarily call that really true. No one calls Attack on Titan, Death Note, Full Metal Alchemist, or some other titles "kids' cartoon". Also Dragonball is probably the most mainstream anime of all time and it is everywhere. Some people don't even call it anime or recognize it as such. |
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| Incest and sexualization of minors. |
| People are xenophobic, that's all. One day I was watching a French movie and one of my friends (who watches anime btw) barged into my room asked me wtf I was doing and why I was watching something that wasn't in English. |
| I'd like to add "Edgy shows" to the list please. Akame ga kill, Tokio Ghoul, you know, the usual suspects. They're teenager fodder and I think they hurt the image, as it makes anime look inmature, which is different than saying "is for kids". |
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| Errm... I thought it was everywhere in the West like in France: Basically, japanese animation wasn't noticed at first in our kids programs but then someone launched the subject on the table and politics and "specialists" made it even bigger: there were asian animations on our TV (each year had even more titles than the previous one) and our little kids were corrupted by their content. And this content was nothing more than SEX and VIOLENCE ! some of their favourite examples? Dragon Ball ! Saint Seiya ! Akira ! (Hokuto no Ken was also in our morning kids programs xD) Since then, japanese animation (japoniaiserie) is described as: violent, full of sexual imagery, stupid, not educating, ... You got the idea. |
| Definitely ecchi and similar types of shows. Nearly every non viewer I've spoken to automatically jumps to tentacle rape or pedophilia if I bring up the subject of anime. |
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| nothing because it doesn't it's just in your mind... |
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| Probably because of things like this. |
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| None of those. People see Ben 10 and Pokemon and think anime is like that, a kids thing. |
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| Ofcourse all those ecchi anime these days :3 and especially all those stupid weaboos who brag about it. |
| It's just the stigma that it's for losers. I used to feel this way too.. I played video games professionally and still looked at the anime community like it was just a bunch of neckbeards lmao. Now look at me... coming up hot on my 900th post on an anime forum Also I have a younger sibling who watches anime and my dad once said to me 'how does she even understand that stuff?' and I said 'because it has subtitles.....????' and he went 'oh that makes sense lol'... maybe many older people don't even realize it's more than just big boobed girls fighting robots or whatever they think it is lol |
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| Cartoons are for children. Unless it's comedy. Therefore adults who like anime are creepy, socially underdeveloped weirdos. Like bronies. This is the attitude. It has nothing to do with "lolis" or "ecchi" or whatever the fuck. If you said those words to a non-anime-fan, they'd have no clue what you just said. |
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| little girls with huge breasts, tentacle porn. Also I've noticed people think all anime is like Pokemon. So we are huge perverts wasting our time on kid cartoon. Pretty close to the truth, if you ask me. |
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| I rarely encounter anyone who thinks anime is for kids. Ever. And why would they? You could just show them Attack on Titan or something to convince them otherwise. |
That is untrue. Outside of Japan, there are some social stigmas regarding anime. The reason for this is because older than teens tend to watch anime, so it gets past the "anime is for kids" stigma, because it wasn't really meant for kids as a whole, even in Japan. There are a lot of people either turned-off or socially against parts of anime |
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| Not on your list, because it's viewed as childish cartoons. Without even watching a single episode of any anime, just by looking at the screen and seeing it is 2D animation will lead many people to view it as a cartoon which are usually made for children. |
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| The simple fact that its animated. They immediately go "durrr animated=cartoon=kids=I'll be judged if i watch kids stuff" Well at least this is the mindset of the "Weeb!" slinging people I come across |
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HecticLeo said: We have the Boondocks and Teen Titans Go! etc that many people have watched that are 2D, which all were mainstream 2D animation.Not on your list, because it's viewed as childish cartoons. Without even watching a single episode of any anime, just by looking at the screen and seeing it is 2D animation will lead many people to view it as a cartoon which are usually made for children. |
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| Teenage girls flashing their pantsu. It really is that simple. |
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| It has to do with the pathetic anime fans and Otaku material. People view the culture as utterly degenerate and with stuff like this it's hard to argue: Most anime are either intellectally deficient teenage shows or creepy Otaku pandering. I really like the medium but I also have no respect for most of the material produced. I can see why anime has negative connotations among many people. |
BoiiiiiiiiiiJun 28, 2016 12:50 PM
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| Honestly, op, the choices you have listed as a pole don't really seem like things that would make the majority negatively judge anime as a whole. Like, all those options listed can be things that fans find annoying in certain anime series, but I have never heard of "the general pub" shunning anime for those reasons at all. The only one that I could possibly say is ecchi, but films and TV shows have just as much or even more "fanservice" than most ecchi series have...so tbh I have never heard any non-anime fan complain about this even slightly. Also, people have to remember that just because non-anime fans make fun of anime series doesn't mean they are "shunning" them or feel uneasy by them... Disliking something, and even judging it without seeing it, doesn't always mean it's the worst thing that could anime or anime fans. BonerBender said: Incest and sexualization of minors. ^^this, and this is a huge turn off for me...but I know many anime series without either one of those, so it ain't so bad. However, most aren't aware that incest or ugly lolis/shotas are somewhat popular unless they are active anime fans who have watched quite a few different series. Red_Keys said: It has nothing to do with "lolis" or "ecchi" or whatever the fuck. If you said those words to a non-anime-fan, they'd have no clue what you just said. Exactly. ^^^^^^ Non-anime fans have no idea what any of those things are, so if they judge you for watching anime it is because it appears childish to them and nothing more. |
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merryfistmas said: Definitely ecchi and similar types of shows. Nearly every non viewer I've spoken to automatically jumps to tentacle rape or pedophilia if I bring up the subject of anime. Who are these people??? lol I never knew non-anime viewers like that, unless they have actually watched a few anime series but just realized they didn't like anime. Every single non-anime fan I have ever met didn't even know about the "pedo trope" in anime and the tentacle porn thing is definitely one I have never heard non-anime fans speak about. lol almost everyone I meet just thinks it's all DBZ, sailor moon, and naruto. Even then most of non-anime fans don't care enough to even think about actively criticizing it other than saying "I dislike it", "looks boring", "nerd shit", "weeb shit". Then I proceed to call them a normie and yell REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, and end up losing my friends. hooray |
KonaKoffeeJun 28, 2016 1:06 PM
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KonaKoffee said: Honestly, op, the choices you have listed as a pole don't really seem like things that would make the majority negatively judge anime as a whole. Like, all those options listed can be things that fans find annoying in certain anime series, but I have never heard of "the general pub" shunning anime for those reasons at all. The only one that I could possibly say is ecchi, but films and TV shows have just as much or even more "fanservice" than most ecchi series have...so tbh I have never heard any non-anime fan complain about this even slightly. BonerBender said: Incest and sexualization of minors. ^^this, and this is a huge turn off for me...but I know many anime series without either one of those, so it ain't so bad. However, most aren't aware that incest or ugly lolis/shotas are somewhat popular unless they are active anime fans who have watched quite a few different series. Time: In the west, almost all series are finished within 10-20 Episodes a season. Also, a lot of us are working or doing another things, so we can't commit to that long of a series. Also the access medium: the only anime-level animation is produced in Japan for Japan. Unless another studio widens the audience or another country makes more animation like Anime, it isn't really that accessible. Netflix has the best shot at making a mainstream original anime outside of Japan, but i doubt they would do it. Feminine: You would be surprise by how many people are off-put by this. Does anime need to be uni-sex or omit women, no, but notice most of the mainstream anime that is successful is male-oriented. People are also annoyed by harem, slice of life, moe, and the latter, especially when men watch it. It also gets as bland/vanilla as a sitcom. Mainstream: Put it simple, Anime was meant for Japan the same way Star Wars was meant for Children. Yes, a different audience can like it, but that is why it is out of place with the general public. Unlike Indie movies/series, there is not much available for someone who doesn't watch anime to say "I don't feel like watching Attack on Tiitan etc" and goes to watch some Indie produced anime that still isn't specifically made for Japan. Look at British comedies; they are not so British to where someone who isn't British can't catch on or be interested. Anime differs way too much from this. |
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KonaKoffee said: The only one that I could possibly say is ecchi, but films and TV shows have just as much or even more "fanservice" than most ecchi series have...so tbh I have never heard any non-anime fan complain about this even slightly. My twin brother is a non anime fan that will tolerate a few things (Studio Ghibli, OPM, Baccano!) but he is put off by (and will relentlessly mock) anything that involves school girls in short skirts with multicoloured hair. So yeah, ecchi does put off non anime fans. |
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| i can guarantee if there is more anime like death note this industry will be so popular people are searching for something exciting and not some shitty boring Sol anime |
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LogicalInjustice said: HecticLeo said: We have the Boondocks and Teen Titans Go! etc that many people have watched that are 2D, which all were mainstream 2D animation.Not on your list, because it's viewed as childish cartoons. Without even watching a single episode of any anime, just by looking at the screen and seeing it is 2D animation will lead many people to view it as a cartoon which are usually made for children. Still does not change the fact that people view animation as an entertainment medium for children. Boondocks is a comedy targeted at late night adult viewers much like Family Guy, American Dad, etc. What makes it appealing? It caters to North American tastes, which is cultural referencing. I have not watched the Boondocks so I can't say anything about that but Family Guy, American Dad and to a lesser extent the Simpsons are very popular shows that references pop culture to get a comedic effect. *I hope for the love of God you're talking about the original Teen Titans because Teen Titans Go!, which is a spin-off?/sequal? looks absolutely atrocious. Teen Titans is a superhero show and who probably loves superheroes the most? Young children. I'm sure at one point every kid has wanted to be Superman or Spiderman or the ordinarily non-superhuman vigilante Batman. Unlike other superhero type shows that came out after it, I'm going to reference Ben 10 since it was the only one that I remember hearing anything about out of a quick list off Google, Teen Titans wasn't complete and utter shit. The show was made fairly well and that helped it get the attention of and slightly older audience. I remember myself as a young teen watching it on TV and I loved it. In short, superhero genres can be enjoyed by everyone. People of all ages nowadays go to watch the Avengers for example. With all that being said I still believe cartoons are viewed as childish and is the main reason why my friends don't watch cartoons, forget about anime. Do I think anime is too niche? Yes. Japan is known for being obsessed with cute things, that is why the moe genre is very popular in Japan but to a North American they may find the concept of cute girls doing cute things boring or feminine. NSWF will never be popular. It's common courtesy to not mention stuff like sex or body parts out loud when in public so shows like that would never get enough traction. I don't really know how to respond to the time option. Lack of mainstream titles can be reworded to lack of shows that cater to the main stream which I think is true. I have a friend who does not watch anime. He's only watched Death Note and that is all he knows about anime. He is not interested in anime, he didn't like Death Note enough to get into anime and to search out for other titles like AoT and FMA so I don't think it's because there's a lack of mainstream titles. This post was a bit longer than I thought it would be. :| |
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| I wouldn't say mainstream is an issue so much as the shows that are airing need to be in better time slots. Ie. Toonami currently airs between 11:30pm to 3am. As such it does give free range to air any kind of violent series as long as there's no significant sexual content. But it also limits the number of viewers who could even hear about the shows simply by chance. With the exception of Dragonball that airs at like 8pm. Feminine I don't think is an actual issue to the general public. Same for time, if they aren't watching it before hand neither of these things apply. As such I guess nsfw would be the option by process of elimination. It's something people can come across on non-anime sites, and it's probably one of the more controversial aspects. But really the best answer would be the hardcore fans but that was excluded from the poll. |
LogicalInjustice said: This is untrue. Most people don't give a shit about anime. The most you'll get is some "cartoons is for kids. anime is cartoons. anime is for kids." reasoning, i don't think there are as many people particularly opposed to anime as you do. Though i know i can't change your mind... maybe the social stigma meme actually exists in your circle, but it doesn't in mine.That is untrue. Outside of Japan, there are some social stigmas regarding anime. The reason for this is because older than teens tend to watch anime, so it gets past the "anime is for kids" stigma, because it wasn't really meant for kids as a whole, even in Japan. There are a lot of people either turned-off or socially against parts of anime |
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GamerDLM said: But really the best answer would be the hardcore fans but that was excluded from the poll. Because this is about the anime content itself, not the fans. If a good available mainstream anime existed, people wouldn't give a shit about the fans and could get straight to the topic of whether or not they like the anime. Same for critics etc. Outspoken fans don't matter for the mainstream: it's about the majority paying to watch it and those critiquing it to set the bar for new releases. Same reason you have "Comic book nerds" who go to "rant on forums, go to Comicon, and are social outcasts" stereotypes that would be on-par with Otakus/Weeaboos. No one cares about them because they are a small minority and would shrink if we had a boarder range of mainstream anime/animation. |
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Bobby2Hands said: but he is put off by (and will relentlessly mock) anything that involves school girls in short skirts with multicoloured hair. He and I may get along :) But tbh, I have these similar feelings in regards to ANY entertainment media such as films, books, tv shows, or anything else. Idk, but I don't think these criticisms from non-anime fans are the most harmful thing ever. People judge you no matter what entertainment media it is, and anime is not excluded from being made fun of even from people who don't even watch it. I just feel lke fans of other things get more shit than anime fans do. Sure, it sucks that you have friends who tell you it's kid shit and laugh when you wear your magical girl shirt, but has nobody here ever seen people get picked on worse for other harmless interests they have? LogicalInjustice said: Time: In the west, almost all series are finished within 10-20 Episodes a season. Also, a lot of us are working or doing another things, so we can't commit to that long of a series. Also the access medium: the only anime-level animation is produced in Japan for Japan. Unless another studio widens the audience or another country makes more animation like Anime, it isn't really that accessible. Netflix has the best shot at making a mainstream original anime outside of Japan, but i doubt they would do it. Feminine: You would be surprise by how many people are off-put by this. Does anime need to be uni-sex or omit women, no, but notice most of the mainstream anime that is successful is male-oriented. People are also annoyed by harem, slice of life, moe, and the latter, especially when men watch it. It also gets as bland/vanilla as a sitcom. Mainstream: Put it simple, Anime was meant for Japan the same way Star Wars was meant for Children. Yes, a different audience can like it, but that is why it is out of place with the general public. Unlike Indie movies/series, there is not much available for someone who doesn't watch anime to say "I don't feel like watching Attack on Tiitan etc" and goes to watch some Indie produced anime that still isn't specifically made for Japan. Look at British comedies; they are not so British to where someone who isn't British can't catch on or be interested. Anime differs way too much from this. I'm not saying you are wrong with those things, but I don't understand how these things equal non-anime viewers completely shunning or being disgusted by anime entirely? There is nothing wrong with them having any of these criticisms or disliking anime for these reasons or others. Also, people who NEVER watch anime, and I mean NEVER watch it, don't even think about any of this shit. But I am pretty sure that people who harshly criticize anime do not only do it to anime and no other forms of entertainment. And tbh, many of the points you made, as Red_keys said, are not well known among majority of non-anime fans unless they have seen a few different anime series. So if we want to talk about anime getting a bad rep from the general public (if you mean non-anime viewers mostly) then I think their actual criticisms differ from the points you made and probably have to do with other shit... romagia said: This is untrue. Most people don't give a shit about anime. The most you'll get is some "cartoons is for kids. anime is cartoons. anime is for kids." reasoning, i don't think there are as many people particularly opposed to anime as you do. Though i know i can't change your mind... maybe the social stigma meme actually exists in your circle, but it doesn't in mine. same, same, and same. None of my close friends like anime, but they say they hate it because of the art style and exaggerated faces. I don't make a fuss though, because there is more to people, and life in general, than trying to only befriend anime fans. I only ever hear the criticisms other people in this thread have made when those "non-anime viewers" have actually seen a few series or movies. |
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romagia said: LogicalInjustice said: This is untrue. Most people don't give a shit about anime. The most you'll get is some "cartoons is for kids. anime is cartoons. anime is for kids." reasoning, i don't think there are as many people particularly opposed to anime as you do. Though i know i can't change your mind... maybe the social stigma meme actually exists in your circle, but it doesn't in mine.That is untrue. Outside of Japan, there are some social stigmas regarding anime. The reason for this is because older than teens tend to watch anime, so it gets past the "anime is for kids" stigma, because it wasn't really meant for kids as a whole, even in Japan. There are a lot of people either turned-off or socially against parts of anime You are talking about the immature haters who can't come up with a good argument and default to that. Actual people do have controversy with the above said, including sexualizing minors/fanservice, lack of options, and trying to convert 1 culture to another. But if you want to generalize from your experiences, you need to get into the real world and think on their level. This is how you be objective. |
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| Most anime haters are hypocrites. Some ridicule anime because they feel like it is too sexualized and at the same time eat up western TV shows and movies which have sex as one of their USP like GoT, Spartacus,etc. Some ridicule anime because they feel like it is for children and then go ahead and eat up western animated movies and TV shows targeted at children or the general audience. Some say it is generic and badly written and then eat up badly written western shows like TBBT, Two and a half men,etc. I've seen this in a lot of forums, where anime posts get a lot of hate and something else with the same theme/topic or the exact same thing gets praised. |
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LogicalInjustice said: Actual people do have, but you missed the "i don't think there are as many people particularly opposed to anime as you do" partromagia said: This is untrue. Most people don't give a shit about anime. The most you'll get is some "cartoons is for kids. anime is cartoons. anime is for kids." reasoning, i don't think there are as many people particularly opposed to anime as you do. Though i know i can't change your mind... maybe the social stigma meme actually exists in your circle, but it doesn't in mine. You are talking about the immature haters who can't come up with a good argument and default to that. Actual people do have controversy with the above said, including sexualizing minors/fanservice, lack of options, and trying to convert 1 culture to another. But if you want to generalize from your experiences, you need to get into the real world and think on their level. This is how you be objective. |
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| @KonaKoffee you are probably right, the people who act like me watching anime means I want to fuck children, also make fun of everyone who doesn't think exactly the way they do and like the things I like. Hell, I've been insulted for enjoying Mad Max by people who think fast and furious is legitimately good. |
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LogicalInjustice said: GamerDLM said: But really the best answer would be the hardcore fans but that was excluded from the poll. Because this is about the anime content itself, not the fans. If a good available mainstream anime existed, people wouldn't give a shit about the fans and could get straight to the topic of whether or not they like the anime. Same for critics etc. Outspoken fans don't matter for the mainstream: it's about the majority paying to watch it and those critiquing it to set the bar for new releases. Same reason you have "Comic book nerds" who go to "rant on forums, go to Comicon, and are social outcasts" stereotypes that would be on-par with Otakus/Weeaboos. No one cares about them because they are a small minority and would shrink if we had a boarder range of mainstream anime/animation. Availability is a non-issue. You have anime on mainstream platforms such as hulu, netflix, amazon prime now, tv, as well as many other locations to find shows. But having it available doesn't mean people will seek it out. I mean you have the free streaming sites option if they really weren't a fan of the idea of paying for a subscription which is simply a google search away. Saying the fans don't matter to the general public as such is a bit of a leap. I mean the fans are the ones who advertise the shows because the anime industry isn't going to advertise to non-native audiences. As such in this specific case casual fans are the best kind, if somebody casually recommends say SNK or FMA it's a largely more beneficial word of mouth advertising when compared to any die hard fan. |
bikers123 said: badly written western shows like TBBT, Two and a half men,etc. I'm not saying TBBT or Two and a Half Men are good shows, in fact in many ways they are terrible. But Chuck Lorre is actually a surprisingly talented writer. |
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| 1. it's a cartoon 2. hentai and ecchi done, there's your two most obvious examples. it's probably not a coincidence that shonen, and pokemon/digimon, are overwhelming the most popular anime overseas, while it's obviously increasingly viewed by older audiences, it still seems pretty overwhelming for kids/teens both overseas, even in japan to a slightly lesser extent(or so it seems). hentai is hentai, ecchi is ecchi. edit: also, it's foreign, that's a pretty obvious one too. edit: and obviously, there's nothing wrong with not liking anime, but that's besides the point. the pokemon/dbz anime might not be the behemoth it use to be, but i think this forum and many more clearly show it's a growing trend. not sure how much it's really going to grow though. |
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LogicalInjustice said: You are talking about the immature haters who can't come up with a good argument and default to that. Actual people do have controversy with the above said, including sexualizing minors/fanservice, lack of options, and trying to convert 1 culture to another. But if you want to generalize from your experiences, you need to get into the real world and think on their level. This is how you be objective. Okay, just so I am clear. when you speak of "the general public" who exactly are you talking about? Because applying these things doesn't garner up any controversy among people who have never seen and never cared to watch any anime. These criticisms mainly come from people who have seen some shows, even if they are not active fans. But this is completely different from someone who has never watched anime and doesn't have the desire to (but says it's childish and doesn't care to say anything more than that). Because OTHER anime fans may have negative ideas when it comes to certain anime tropes, genres, type of characters, etc. But a non-anime fan who dismisses it already? Very rarely does it have to do with the points listed and it's usually because of other factors that make them dislike anime or view it negatively. Tbh, I think this thread better applies to the very casual anime fans (like ones who have seen a only few series and think that is the entirety of anime) rather than those who have never cared to watch it. merryfistmas said: I've been insulted for enjoying Mad Max by people who think fast and furious is legitimately good. top kek, fast and furious sucks. merryfistmas said: @KonaKoffee you are probably right, the people who act like me watching anime means I want to fuck children, also make fun of everyone who doesn't think exactly the way they do and like the things I like.. yea. Like the people who would make fun of me liking certain anime (or anime stereotypes) were "casual" fans, but they watched enough shows to understand some of those concepts at least. PLUS, they were hyper critical bitches already, especially when it came to music (their taste in music sucked btw, but that's another story) lol. Like, one of my friends who dislikes anime (because of the way it looks, she said) asked me "isn't it all like that one show sailor moon? she's kinda cool, but I don't wanna watch it because it looks ugly". lol I didn't get mad and I actually laughed. It would have been weird to hear her say "yea, I don't like anime because they have pedo scenes and tentacle rape". lmao I'd probably look at her like "BITCH, what the fuck have you been watching?!" haha. |
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KonaKoffee said: i can agree with thatOkay, just so I am clear. when you speak of "the general public" who exactly are you talking about? Because applying these things doesn't garner up any controversy among people who have never seen and never care to watch any anime. These criticisms mainly come from people who have seen some shows, even if they are not active fans. But this is completely different than someone who has never watched anime and doesn't have the desire too (but says it's childish and doesn't care to say anything more than that). Because OTHER anime fans may have negative ideas when it comes to certain anime tropes, genres, type of characters, etc. But a non-anime fan who dismisses it already? Very rarely does it have to do with the points listed and it's usually because of other factors that make them dislike anime or view it negatively. Tbh, I think this thread better applies to the very casual anime fans (like ones who have seen a few series and think that is the entirety of anime) rather than those who have never cared to watch it. now threads like this make a little more sense.. |
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| @bikers123 Some ridicule anime because they feel like it is too sexualized and at the same time eat up western TV shows and movies which have sex as one of their USP like GoT, Spartacus,etc. However, there are distinct differences. GoT, Spartacus,etc. are actually adult rated. Anime is normally multi-age range and includes sex tones with characters who have suspicious age ranges. Except Anime isn't normally sexual like sex, but by perversion such as fan service and ecchi. Rarely do you see sexual likes like depicted in the above series in a mature manner. I've seen this in a lot of forums, where anime posts get a lot of hate and something else with the same theme/topic or the exact same thing gets praised.[/quote] Some ridicule anime because they feel like it is for children and then go ahead and eat up western animated movies and TV shows targeted at children or the general audience. Culture differences mess this up. We haven't done a conversion of the Japanese age range audience to the western audience. Japan is normally more mature culturally wise, so extremes can start from an earlier age. But when you westernize it, that target demographic narrows from Teen to Young Adult. Teen can be also be classified as "for kids" in the west. Some say it is generic and badly written and then eat up badly written western shows like TBBT, Two and a half men,etc. Except Animation is held to a higher standard. We never except TBBT or Two and a half-men to be brilliant or amazing series, same with cartoons, but we tear apart ALL Animation on that level. Look at the DC/Marvel Animated series. You even have critics, not the generic public, de-constructing it. |
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| @KonaKoffee Let me dumb it down how the "Non-fan" may view the above. 1: "It's boring/For tweens" 2: "It's perverted" 3: "I don't have time to watch that crap" 4: "There isn't anything good to watch" In a nutshell. Saying it's for kids is a general statement. The Moe, Slice of Life, Relationship drama, and so on fit the Audience who watches series like The Secret Life of an American Teenage, Degrassi, and so on. |
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LogicalInjustice said: @KonaKoffee Let me dumb it down how the "Non-fan" may view the above. 1: "It's boring/For tweens" 2: "It's perverted" 3: "I don't have time to watch that crap" 4: "There isn't anything good to watch" In a nutshell. Not sure if your bothered by something that has been stated, so you're trying to come off as condescending as an attempt to prove a point, or if you view "dumbing down things" as a legit and mature response. Either way, I'll ignore it right now. First off, ALL of these things you just said apply to literally every entertainment media. I have seen these statements for family guy, spongebob, my little pony (even more than anime, at least in the west), comic books, video games, reality shows, oscar worthy films, songs, musical artists, novels, etc. So I am not saying these issues do not exist, but trying to pretend as if these are stated in your poll are not adding anything to the point of the thread as stated in the op. (because your options for your poll are COMPLETELY different from the points you make here). If something has changed, or you have new points to make, then edit your post and put them in. Do not act as if you made these clear to everyone, because if these are important factors in your eyes, that contribute to your first statement, then idk why you didn't decide to edit it and add that. Like I said before though, ofc we can say non-anime fans say these things, but it's difficult to try and defend anime when these points are made because they are completely subjective and really are not a bother to the people who already enjoy it. But going back to your opening post about things in anime that make the general public uneasy, or the points in your poll being reasons why people shun them, mainly come from the very very casual anime fans who like anime but haven't watched a lot of it. Yes, sometimes trolls like to shitpost other anime fans and bait them by calling them weebs and shit, but even those dudes who claim they dislike anime (like i see some people on these forums say) still have watched enough to know what to make fun of. |
KonaKoffeeJun 28, 2016 2:03 PM
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GamerDLM said: LogicalInjustice said: Because this is about the anime content itself, not the fans. If a good available mainstream anime existed, people wouldn't give a shit about the fans and could get straight to the topic of whether or not they like the anime. Same for critics etc. Outspoken fans don't matter for the mainstream: it's about the majority paying to watch it and those critiquing it to set the bar for new releases. Same reason you have "Comic book nerds" who go to "rant on forums, go to Comicon, and are social outcasts" stereotypes that would be on-par with Otakus/Weeaboos. No one cares about them because they are a small minority and would shrink if we had a boarder range of mainstream anime/animation. Availability is a non-issue. You have anime on mainstream platforms such as hulu, netflix, amazon prime now, tv, as well as many other locations to find shows. But having it available doesn't mean people will seek it out. I mean you have the free streaming sites option if they really weren't a fan of the idea of paying for a subscription which is simply a google search away. Saying the fans don't matter to the general public as such is a bit of a leap. I mean the fans are the ones who advertise the shows because the anime industry isn't going to advertise to non-native audiences. As such in this specific case casual fans are the best kind, if somebody casually recommends say SNK or FMA it's a largely more beneficial word of mouth advertising when compared to any die hard fan. Accessibility also includes marketing. Western culture is ALL about marketing and promotion. You cannot market something that a majority are not interested/can be interested in. This is why anime is kind of niche: it's very hard to promote a foreign media to a non-foreign audience. Until a fan pulls some Deadpool-level marketing or highlights why the general public can watch said anime without it looking "weebish" or "for kids", most people are not going to hear about it or care. This is what happens with Indie films/series until someone actually pushes hard for them. Part of that falls on the available content and available resolution quality [almost everyone wants 1080p as an option by default in the west]. |
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Yeah, it is pretty obvious what gives it bad rep |
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