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May 21, 2016 10:08 AM
#351
Somehow couldn't feel as much tension as I should for this episode. Otherwise.. 4/5 this week. |
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May 21, 2016 10:35 AM
#352
It seems not many people have commented on the first half of this episode which I think is thoughtfully analyzed in ANN's review, so I'll leave it here: When we last left Mumei and Ikoma, they had just gotten buried under twenty tons of rubble, after completely failing to clear a path for the Kotetsujyo train to escape. Geez, what a bunch of screw-ups. Can't those two get anything right? Well, that's the train gang's rationale for their new plan to just plow through the felled crane and leave their half-zombie bodyguards behind, marking about the 3,475th time that Kabaneri's peanut gallery has been comically eager to jump to savage conclusions. It's a common through line in most horror or disaster stories that people get a thousand times more stupid and hasty when they're scared, especially in large numbers. Both Attack on Titan and Kabaneri exist in the dead center of the gap between horror and disaster movies, so it's no surprise that both series feature mankind at its most herd-like and panicky, but Kabaneri adds another notable trait to its crowd's hivemind behavior. When its people are scared, they get a thousand times meaner too, latching onto the glaring flaws in their fellow man so they can excuse themselves for sacrificing "weak links" for the good of the group. The train's loudest voices don't just want to leave Ikoma and Mumei behind in a desperate bid for survival, they want to rationalize this decision with cruel, defensive rhetoric. "We should leave them behind because they failed their mission. In fact, they failed so hard that we all might die for their mistakes. They deserve to die, and we do not." I think this tendency of Kabaneri's mob to toss anyone who stands out too much under the train is the key reason they draw more anger from audiences than the slightly nicer mobs in Attack on Titan, but I also think their attitude is central to Kabaneri's strongest emerging theme. After five episodes of gruesome action and shameless histrionics, this is Kabaneri's first true slowdown episode, where the animation takes a noticeable hit. (There are still some great action sequences in this episode, but cutbacks are way more noticeable, especially when Ikoma gets swarmed by Kabane in the collapsed tunnel and sways back n' forth like a muppet between frequent fadeouts.) On the flip side, the story is given room to lay more track for its characters and ideas, giving our brains something to wrap around while our eyes take a rest. So now that everyone has time to breathe and speak their minds, we're getting a much stronger look into the heart of Kabaneri as a survival adventure. Who does this show deem "worthy" of survival and why? By the feudal system established in the first episode, the "strong" are most worthy of survival, whether that means being rich, high-borne, or physically powerful. That goes a long way to explaining why the show's mob often tries to blame victims for their physical or mental weakness as justification for their deaths. They're not just being mean, they're falling back on the rules of the world they've been taught to believe, in an effort to justify the deaths around them in some way and keep themselves sane. It's kinda weird to see harsh utilitarianism paired with religious beliefs (like stopping the train to pray for the dead and the belief that zombification is a supernatural curse) as self-destructive ways of thinking. One is extremely callous and objectivist, while the other is rooted in faith in a higher law. I guess the most obvious reason they're connected in Kabaneri is that Tetsuro Araki and/or Ichiro Okouchi dislikes both worldviews, but then again, religion and utilitarianism have gone hand in hand in societies ruled by class many times throughout history. Anyway, Mumei clearly doesn't share the mob's religious beliefs (although she eventually joined in episode 4's prayer ritual as a gesture of good faith), and she seems to have no place in civilized feudal society, but her life philosophy is basically the same. She believes that she deserves to live because she's strong enough to ensure her own survival, which leads her to panic first when Ikoma sacrifices the well-being of the train to save her, and then lapse into a frenzy when she finds herself pinned under rubble and helpless to escape the ensuing death-by-blood-starvation. When Ikoma asks whether they turn into kabane or die if they don't drink blood, Mumei doesn't have an answer for him, but she does say that her comrades died from being bitten, and she was never bitten because she's so strong. So if she was never bitten, how did she become a kabaneri in the first place? We get a few hints from her childhood flashback, as her beloved peasant village is being razed by zombies and one man turns his sword on baby Mumei as if she was the enemy. Her mother dies protecting her, but if Mumei was already kabaneri-fied as a child, I'm beginning to wonder if that was her biological mother or just a convenient red herring. Maybe Mumei was born from a kabane's corpse after all? Fortunately, before she can succumb to her terrible fate, Ikoma gives Mumei some of his own blood supply in a not-at-all-suggestive shot, before turning to hold off the kabane. Before he gets to chest-blasting zombies though, he leaves Mumei with one conviction-shattering question: "If the weak die and the strong survive, how does anyone ever get to be strong in the first place?" We all come into this world equally weak. Are we all just expected to get stronger by ourselves, from birth? Do mothers keep babies alive just because they're strong enough to do it? Mumei's mother almost certainly was not stronger than her, but if she hadn't stepped in, Mumei still might not have survived. Even at its most brutal, human society is not all about survival of the fittest. Ikoma and Mumei don't "deserve" to be left behind just because they failed in a moment of weakness, and it's not necessarily even the smartest choice, as Ayame asserts to the turncoat train crew. Yes, they could be sacrificing themselves foolishly to rescue their weak links here, but they could also be weakening themselves by sacrificing two people who could be instrumental in keeping them alive later. While Mumei thinks back to her mother's sacrifice, we get a little extra time to process Ikoma's point of view. It's safe to say at this point that Ikoma and Ayame are being painted as the only righteous people in the show; whatever they believe at any given time is "right" from the perspective of Kabaneri's sadistic gods, Araki and Okouchi. But for being such a violent, sophomoric, and twisted story, Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress has a surprisingly tender perspective on the law of the jungle. Mumei's mental breakdown over not being strong enough is old hat for the tough girl lead in action-adventure stories, but it would usually be followed by the hero either reassuring her that she was strong and must believe in herself, or else he'd say she wasn't strong, but that's okay, because he could be strong for her when she reached her limit. Ikoma does neither of these things. He tells Mumei, "Yeah, you're weak. I'm weak. We're both weak. So what? You don't give up when you realize that you're weak. That's never an excuse to just accept it." Ikoma doesn't promise to keep her alive or protect her, although he'll certainly try. He just says they don't have to let their weakness keep them from fighting to their last breath, and I found that incredibly refreshing. Unlike Mumei, Ikoma's pursuit of strength (and knowledge) doesn't have a set goal. Mumei's always looking at the timer on her weapon, saying that she's strong enough to do this in a specific number of seconds and feeling either vindicated or disappointed when that doesn't happen. When she feels herself becoming too weak, she goes to sleep until she's recovered. She relies on the belief that she's "strong enough" to keep herself alive, but Ikoma's never considered an upper limit for the number of people he wants to protect. He burns himself out every single time he can and sometimes it's not enough, but at the same time, he never accepts that his strength and knowledge are "enough" even when he succeeds. You can't put an upper limit on what Ikoma's capable of, because he's going to keep bursting through every ceiling in front of him until one of them literally kills him. Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress believes that the secret to survival is never accepting your fate, no matter how strong or weak you are, and that a little firework that flies high shines brighter than a big sparkler that fizzles away. Of course, there's still a catch: Ikoma's belief system relies heavily on the support of other people to keep his indomitable little candle from burning itself out, and even though he has powerful protective instincts (the only time he ever "gave up" was when he was trying to protect the people on the train from himself as he kabane-fied), Ikoma has absolutely terrible people skills. I guess it'll be Ayame's job to help him with that. Anyway, once the Kotetsujyo crew decides to do the right thing, eventually fetching Ikoma and Mumei to lift the crane and defend the train, it's just one big boss fight until the credits. The giant CG Ghibli-monster is known as a "fused colony," and like any video game obstacle, it's got a great big "hit me" spot right in the middle, so all they need to do is blast away zombie bodies with a cannon (so they can rain down on the cars and give the rest of the cast something to do) until the heart is exposed and then KABLOOIE! The biggest zombie explosion of them all! So episode 6 ends by returning to the show's strengths: senseless, wanton, nerdy violence. But Kabaneri's refusal to take itself too seriously just makes its more thoughtful material all the more satisfying, and I'm glad we got such a solid balance of action and character writing at this midway point. My optimism for this blockbuster remains high. Full steam ahead to the second half! Rating: A |
May 21, 2016 11:15 AM
#353
kamisama751 said: Are you serious? :D The problem is that they do this non-sense pushing which affects nothing. I don't know what do you expect from dumb people who think becoming a Kabane is some kind of curse. It's a miracle that they can operate trains and use guns... |
May 21, 2016 11:17 AM
#354
LeviathanTheEsp said: kamisama751 said: Are you serious? :D The problem is that they do this non-sense pushing which affects nothing. I don't know what do you expect from dumb people who think becoming a Kabane is some kind of curse. It's a miracle that they can operate trains and use guns... That's just the engineers though. The general populace like the elders and peasants as well as the common bushi are dumb as bricks |
May 21, 2016 11:22 AM
#355
Yes! This part made me smile so much!!! When the music kicked in at the end battle I knew it was going to be good. This needs to get another 12 episodes or a movie at the end of it all. |
May 21, 2016 11:24 AM
#356
Darklight0303 said: LeviathanTheEsp said: kamisama751 said: Are you serious? :D The problem is that they do this non-sense pushing which affects nothing. I don't know what do you expect from dumb people who think becoming a Kabane is some kind of curse. It's a miracle that they can operate trains and use guns... That's just the engineers though. The general populace like the elders and peasants as well as the common bushi are dumb as bricks Of course. So I know what to expect from the general populace, and seeing them pushing is not the worst I expect from them :D. Well it was funny. |
May 21, 2016 11:25 AM
#357
zal said: The issue is not that they were glued but that they actually tried to push. "Scene was tense and people like it" is not that convincing to say that it was done properly. Calm down a bit, almost everyone thinks that scene was weird but no one said that it was the worst show ever because of that. Can't we have some fun with the dumb scenes? kamisama751 said: The retarded push destroyed the tension and nope, people don't really like it as you can see from this thread. If no one cares then no one will mention it. Sorry but the reality says otherwise and glueing doesn't mean pushing. Get the point already. "He thinks different so he is a nitpicker." Look. ONE guy said "PUSH" and only 5 of showed peasants did it Seriously, calm down your OCD. |
May 21, 2016 11:47 AM
#358
Eyecandy the anime. The story isn't that great unfortunately but the animation, artwork and character design are top notch. |
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May 21, 2016 12:00 PM
#359
bastek66 said: I am calm, you didn't seem that calm in the last post because of the words you used. zal said: The issue is not that they were glued but that they actually tried to push. "Scene was tense and people like it" is not that convincing to say that it was done properly. Calm down a bit, almost everyone thinks that scene was weird but no one said that it was the worst show ever because of that. Can't we have some fun with the dumb scenes? kamisama751 said: The retarded push destroyed the tension and nope, people don't really like it as you can see from this thread. If no one cares then no one will mention it. Sorry but the reality says otherwise and glueing doesn't mean pushing. Get the point already. "He thinks different so he is a nitpicker." Look. ONE guy said "PUSH" and only 5 of showed peasants did it Seriously, calm down your OCD. You counted 4 twice so 6/15 are pushing which is a big proportion, the others weren't shown. Moreover you didn't count the kid in green (6+1), while kurusu, mumei and ikoma are pushing but they are justified because of the bed (15-3), the girl with the baby and the baby can't push (15-2). So it is 7/10 which is even bigger of a proportion. You don't even know what OCD means, please. |
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May 21, 2016 12:14 PM
#360
HalAnime said: When you realize she's only 15 :^) BTW, I took the age quiz of the characters and failed horrifically (50%). Never thought I'd fail an anime quiz lol http://goboiano.com/original/4401-can-you-guess-the-ages-of-the-cast-of-kabaneri-of-the-iron-fortress%253F Rule number one in anime, Never ever learn the character real age. Becuse if you only watch it then mumei will be around 15-16. And everybody else 18+. Hell Yukina and Ikoma both look like they are over 20 years old. |
May 21, 2016 12:17 PM
#361
It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. |
May 21, 2016 12:22 PM
#362
Fuck only 12 episodes, we better be getting a second season. This episode was one of the best so far, taking out that black smoke was insane, crazy how many kabane their actually was. Can't wait till the next one. :) |
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May 21, 2016 12:23 PM
#363
Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. |
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May 21, 2016 12:27 PM
#364
zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. |
May 21, 2016 12:28 PM
#365
Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. |
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May 21, 2016 12:31 PM
#366
zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Well, it is way more dumb and less meaningful, but there are some people complaining about the train being able to pass through the gate while the giant kabane coudn't. I also gave my opinions about this matter on post #303. |
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May 21, 2016 12:39 PM
#367
HyperL said: Really didn't see that post, sorry. zal said: Phoebe3315 said: zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Well, it is way more dumb and less meaningful, but there are some people complaining about the train being able to pass through the gate while the giant kabane coudn't. I also gave my opinions about this matter on post #303. Simple answer, the wall was of paper and the giant kabane couldn't penetrate because of plot armour. Seriously I don't think the train could've pierced a steel wall like that. Remember that steel is more flexible than you think, that's why it is used for construction. And if the train accelerated from the spot it had no chance to pierce it at all. |
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May 21, 2016 12:40 PM
#368
zal said: Mumei's past, the change in her way of thinking, the strengthening of relationships between the characters during the fight, etc. Any meaning in the pushing scene is already addressed in HyperL's post and considering how small a part of the episode it was, I don't think it needs to be constantly brought up again and again.Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. |
May 21, 2016 12:43 PM
#369
Highlight of the show right there .What was her name again ? |
May 21, 2016 12:56 PM
#370
Phoebe3315 said: I wasn't the one to bring it up. I was going to let it go after I said it was funny but people kept insisting on it.zal said: Mumei's past, the change in her way of thinking, the strengthening of relationships between the characters during the fight, etc. Any meaning in the pushing scene is already addressed in HyperL's post and considering how small a part of the episode it was, I don't think it needs to be constantly brought up again and again.Phoebe3315 said: zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Past? More like frames of it and of course the tragic frames because victimizations always works. "Strengthening of relationships between the characters" I wasn't expecting Mumei to be a tsundere but it seems it didn't last long. |
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May 21, 2016 12:57 PM
#371
zal said: You have a problem where you look at the show from a very realistic point of view and don't consider what's shown very well. At first they weren't going to, but then they decided to fall back to get speed since the Black Smoke was scattered. The train is probably made of the same material as the wall (NOT SAID TO BE STEEL, let alone steel that behaves exactly as it does in our world), so it would be possible to bust through it.HyperL said: Really didn't see that post, sorry. zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Well, it is way more dumb and less meaningful, but there are some people complaining about the train being able to pass through the gate while the giant kabane coudn't. I also gave my opinions about this matter on post #303. Simple answer, the wall was of paper and the giant kabane couldn't penetrate because of plot armour. Seriously I don't think the train could've pierced a steel wall like that. Remember that steel is more flexible than you think, that's why it is used for construction. And if the train accelerated from the spot it had no chance to pierce it at all. |
May 21, 2016 1:01 PM
#372
Man I'm not usually one to fall for fanservice but that Yukina scene was hot. |
May 21, 2016 1:06 PM
#373
zal said: We didn't get much of her past, but we know now that Mumei's family wasn't killed by Kabane and the "young master" is (very likely) not actually her brother. I would consider that more significant information than what we get from the pushing scene.Phoebe3315 said: I wasn't the one to bring it up. I was going to let it go after I said it was funny but people kept insisting on it.zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Past? More like frames of it and of course the tragic frames because victimizations always works. "Strengthening of relationships between the characters" I wasn't expecting Mumei to be a tsundere but it seems it didn't last long. At first Yukina seemed like she hated Sakuri (she said he disgusts her), but in this episode she asks for his help and thanks him for it. Also Kurusu and Ikoma are actually fighting beside each other now. |
May 21, 2016 1:17 PM
#374
Phoebe3315 said: Hyper wanted to discuss it and if you don't care about realism at all than there's no point in discussing anything.zal said: You have a problem where you look at the show from a very realistic point of view and don't consider what's shown very well. At first they weren't going to, but then they decided to fall back to get speed since the Black Smoke was scattered. The train is probably made of the same material as the wall (NOT SAID TO BE STEEL, let alone steel that behaves exactly as it does in our world), so it would be possible to bust through it.HyperL said: zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Well, it is way more dumb and less meaningful, but there are some people complaining about the train being able to pass through the gate while the giant kabane coudn't. I also gave my opinions about this matter on post #303. Simple answer, the wall was of paper and the giant kabane couldn't penetrate because of plot armour. Seriously I don't think the train could've pierced a steel wall like that. Remember that steel is more flexible than you think, that's why it is used for construction. And if the train accelerated from the spot it had no chance to pierce it at all. I said it wouldn't pierce the wall only if it accelerated from where we saw him stop last time. If it took some space to get velocity then there is the possibility it can pierce the wall however not like that, that's not glass. Not steel? What then? There are the exhibition pictures is it written there the materials used? Phoebe3315 said: The fact that her parents were killed by Kabane is not really a big deal, Ikoma said it is common. Unless it doesn't add depth to her character in the next episodes that was just victimization + encounter with aniki. It was already quite clear that the brother wasn't really a brother since aniki is used even just for respect towards someone that isn't old (or so it seems in the anime I've seen).zal said: We didn't get much of her past, but we know now that Mumei's family wasn't killed by Kabane and the "young master" is (very likely) not actually her brother. I would consider that more significant information than what we get from the pushing scene.Phoebe3315 said: zal said: Mumei's past, the change in her way of thinking, the strengthening of relationships between the characters during the fight, etc. Any meaning in the pushing scene is already addressed in HyperL's post and considering how small a part of the episode it was, I don't think it needs to be constantly brought up again and again.Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Past? More like frames of it and of course the tragic frames because victimizations always works. "Strengthening of relationships between the characters" I wasn't expecting Mumei to be a tsundere but it seems it didn't last long. At first Yukina seemed like she hated Sakuri (she said he disgusts her), but in this episode she asks for his help and thanks him for it. Also Kurusu and Ikoma are actually fighting beside each other now. That interaction isn't noteworthy on its own. Thanking someone for taking a risk to save your life is not exceptional. |
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May 21, 2016 1:31 PM
#375
zal said: ...I said her parents (or at least her mom) WAS NOT killed by Kabane, but rather by a person. And then she was saved from getting shot by a person acting out of irrational fear. This adds depth to her character regardless of what is shown next. Remember the conversation she had with Ikoma in episode 1? The way Mumei acts and what she says (even her initial interest in Ikoma) makes more sense now. Also, even if you understood last episode Mumei's "brother" wasn't her brother, not everyone did. This episode makes that more clear as well as showing a glimpse of what he looks like.Phoebe3315 said: The fact that her parents were killed by Kabane is not really a big deal, Ikoma said it is common. Unless it doesn't add depth to her character in the next episodes that was just victimization + encounter with aniki. It was already quite clear that the brother wasn't really a brother since aniki is used even just for respect towards someone that isn't old (or so it seems in the anime I've seen).zal said: Phoebe3315 said: I wasn't the one to bring it up. I was going to let it go after I said it was funny but people kept insisting on it.zal said: Mumei's past, the change in her way of thinking, the strengthening of relationships between the characters during the fight, etc. Any meaning in the pushing scene is already addressed in HyperL's post and considering how small a part of the episode it was, I don't think it needs to be constantly brought up again and again.Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Past? More like frames of it and of course the tragic frames because victimizations always works. "Strengthening of relationships between the characters" I wasn't expecting Mumei to be a tsundere but it seems it didn't last long. At first Yukina seemed like she hated Sakuri (she said he disgusts her), but in this episode she asks for his help and thanks him for it. Also Kurusu and Ikoma are actually fighting beside each other now. That interaction isn't noteworthy on its own. Thanking someone for taking a risk to save your life is not exceptional. Whatever. If you don't think any of those interactions were significant I won't argue with you, but I'm sure the writers intended them to be. |
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May 21, 2016 1:37 PM
#376
Phoebe3315 said: Yes, you are right. It justifies her not trusting others and adds some depth, lets see if they do something noteworthy with it.zal said: ...I said her parents (or at least her mom) WAS NOT killed by Kabane, but rather by a person. And then she was saved from getting shot by a person out of irrational fear by the young master. This adds depth to her character regardless of what is shown next. Remember the conversation she had with Ikoma in episode 1? The way Mumei acts and what she says (even her initial interest in Ikoma) makes more sense now. Also, even if you understood last episode Mumei's "brother" wasn't her brother, not everyone did. This episode makes that more clear as well as showing a glimpse of what he looks like.Phoebe3315 said: zal said: We didn't get much of her past, but we know now that Mumei's family wasn't killed by Kabane and the "young master" is (very likely) not actually her brother. I would consider that more significant information than what we get from the pushing scene.Phoebe3315 said: I wasn't the one to bring it up. I was going to let it go after I said it was funny but people kept insisting on it.zal said: Mumei's past, the change in her way of thinking, the strengthening of relationships between the characters during the fight, etc. Any meaning in the pushing scene is already addressed in HyperL's post and considering how small a part of the episode it was, I don't think it needs to be constantly brought up again and again.Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Past? More like frames of it and of course the tragic frames because victimizations always works. "Strengthening of relationships between the characters" I wasn't expecting Mumei to be a tsundere but it seems it didn't last long. At first Yukina seemed like she hated Sakuri (she said he disgusts her), but in this episode she asks for his help and thanks him for it. Also Kurusu and Ikoma are actually fighting beside each other now. That interaction isn't noteworthy on its own. Thanking someone for taking a risk to save your life is not exceptional. Whatever. If you don't think any of those interactions were significant I won't argue with you, but I'm sure the writers intended them to be. That interaction on its own is not significant but could mean something if it is just a part of their relationship in case it gets developed next episodes.. |
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May 21, 2016 1:45 PM
#377
Darklight0303 said: ZoroZoldyck said: Darklight0303 said: ZoroZoldyck said: I loved this episode and especially the OST. The ending still slays. Oh and we finally get the name of the guy I've been adoring, his design and voice are manly <3 Which one? Sukari or Suzuki? Actually.. It's Kibito. I like his design the most. We've heard his name in episode 5 tho... @@ Yeah.. I watched both 5 and 6 at the same time and thought it was this episode, lel. |
May 21, 2016 2:16 PM
#378
Darklight0303 said: GD1551 said: Darklight0303 said: Zalmox1s said: Darklight0303 said: Zalmox1s said: The first half was quite boring sadly, the clichee back story did not help either. Can we not get something a bit more original? The second half however, was better, the action sequence was well done, the suspense was missing even though they tried to make it seem like it was an actual threat, since it was clear that everything will work well in the end. I really wish the'll get rid of that train in the next episode and move to a more interesting setting. You are aware the show is called Kabaneri of the IRON FORTRESS, right? And the Iron Fortress IS the train. That does not mean that all the has to take place on that damned train tho. No but it means the train will continue to play a big part of it. The train also fleshes out the world since they constantly have to move. Next episode seems to be a cooldown one. I wonder how that safe haven will get wrecked forcing the gang to leave again I don't think it will honestly, but if it does I'm sure it will be another titan thing. Isn't the place they are going essentially the most fortified area, i.e. where the shogun/emperor or w/e lives? |
May 21, 2016 2:21 PM
#379
GD1551 said: Darklight0303 said: GD1551 said: Darklight0303 said: Zalmox1s said: Darklight0303 said: Zalmox1s said: The first half was quite boring sadly, the clichee back story did not help either. Can we not get something a bit more original? The second half however, was better, the action sequence was well done, the suspense was missing even though they tried to make it seem like it was an actual threat, since it was clear that everything will work well in the end. I really wish the'll get rid of that train in the next episode and move to a more interesting setting. You are aware the show is called Kabaneri of the IRON FORTRESS, right? And the Iron Fortress IS the train. That does not mean that all the has to take place on that damned train tho. No but it means the train will continue to play a big part of it. The train also fleshes out the world since they constantly have to move. Next episode seems to be a cooldown one. I wonder how that safe haven will get wrecked forcing the gang to leave again I don't think it will honestly, but if it does I'm sure it will be another titan thing. Isn't the place they are going essentially the most fortified area, i.e. where the shogun/emperor or w/e lives? I don't think that's kongokaku. Since the preview narration speaks of Ayame negotiation for supplies with the lord of the station. |
May 21, 2016 2:28 PM
#380
zal said: HyperL said: Really didn't see that post, sorry. zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Well, it is way more dumb and less meaningful, but there are some people complaining about the train being able to pass through the gate while the giant kabane coudn't. I also gave my opinions about this matter on post #303. Simple answer, the wall was of paper and the giant kabane couldn't penetrate because of plot armour. Seriously I don't think the train could've pierced a steel wall like that. Remember that steel is more flexible than you think, that's why it is used for construction. And if the train accelerated from the spot it had no chance to pierce it at all. Sorry for the wait. Well, everytime i rewatch that scene, i notice that the train was already going quite fast when it passed through. Now, do you know of any metals weaker than steel that a speedy Iron train would be able to destroy? |
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May 21, 2016 2:42 PM
#381
HyperL said: I think the train at that speed might be able to destroy a steel gate but the way the gate is destroyed seems off (has no resistance or effect on the train), I think an explosion would have that effect on the gate not an impact from the train.zal said: HyperL said: zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Well, it is way more dumb and less meaningful, but there are some people complaining about the train being able to pass through the gate while the giant kabane coudn't. I also gave my opinions about this matter on post #303. Simple answer, the wall was of paper and the giant kabane couldn't penetrate because of plot armour. Seriously I don't think the train could've pierced a steel wall like that. Remember that steel is more flexible than you think, that's why it is used for construction. And if the train accelerated from the spot it had no chance to pierce it at all. Sorry for the wait. Well, everytime i rewatch that scene, i notice that the train was already going quite fast when it passed through. Now, do you know of any metals weaker than steel that a speedy Iron train would be able to destroy? No idea about other metals, that seems steel to me. |
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May 21, 2016 2:48 PM
#382
zal said: HyperL said: I think the train at that speed might be able to destroy a steel gate but the way the gate is destroyed seems off (has no resistance or effect on the train), I think an explosion would have that effect on the gate not an impact from the train.zal said: HyperL said: Really didn't see that post, sorry. zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Well, it is way more dumb and less meaningful, but there are some people complaining about the train being able to pass through the gate while the giant kabane coudn't. I also gave my opinions about this matter on post #303. Simple answer, the wall was of paper and the giant kabane couldn't penetrate because of plot armour. Seriously I don't think the train could've pierced a steel wall like that. Remember that steel is more flexible than you think, that's why it is used for construction. And if the train accelerated from the spot it had no chance to pierce it at all. Sorry for the wait. Well, everytime i rewatch that scene, i notice that the train was already going quite fast when it passed through. Now, do you know of any metals weaker than steel that a speedy Iron train would be able to destroy? No idea about other metals, that seems steel to me. It seems that the ones behind this anime doesn't know much about breaking metals. First kurusu's sword and now the gate, quite the lack of knowledge for someone who's is dealing with a steampunk setup. Or they just straight ignoring physics for the sake of the story, but is funny how the two times they did it had to do with metals. |
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May 21, 2016 2:51 PM
#383
HyperL said: zal said: HyperL said: zal said: HyperL said: Really didn't see that post, sorry. zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Well, it is way more dumb and less meaningful, but there are some people complaining about the train being able to pass through the gate while the giant kabane coudn't. I also gave my opinions about this matter on post #303. Simple answer, the wall was of paper and the giant kabane couldn't penetrate because of plot armour. Seriously I don't think the train could've pierced a steel wall like that. Remember that steel is more flexible than you think, that's why it is used for construction. And if the train accelerated from the spot it had no chance to pierce it at all. Sorry for the wait. Well, everytime i rewatch that scene, i notice that the train was already going quite fast when it passed through. Now, do you know of any metals weaker than steel that a speedy Iron train would be able to destroy? No idea about other metals, that seems steel to me. It seems that the ones behind this anime doesn't know much about breaking metals. First kurusu's sword and now the gate, quite the lack of knowledge for someone who's is dealing with a steampunk setup. Or they just straight ignoring metal physics for the sake of the story, but is funny how the two times they did it had metals involved. Actually the train having the power by design to break through a gate does make sense. Say a station gets overrun while its gate is closed. The track can't afford to end there so they have to have the power to break through by force so they can get to their destination anyway |
May 21, 2016 2:53 PM
#384
HyperL said: These are things that in the heat of the moment you don't really question and are more for the sake of impact than coherence and not only with metal probably with the infection of Ikoma too.zal said: HyperL said: zal said: HyperL said: Really didn't see that post, sorry. zal said: Phoebe3315 said: Well, why don't you propose what to discuss that you retain more meaningful?zal said: Yes. If you don't agree you really shouldn't be watching this.Phoebe3315 said: Are there more meaningful parts in this episode?It would be pretty nice if people could stop complaining about the pushing scene, which HyperL already provided a good explanation for in post #259 (not to mention the idiot who took them to the mountains is the one who yelled push), and discuss more meaningful parts of the episode. Well, it is way more dumb and less meaningful, but there are some people complaining about the train being able to pass through the gate while the giant kabane coudn't. I also gave my opinions about this matter on post #303. Simple answer, the wall was of paper and the giant kabane couldn't penetrate because of plot armour. Seriously I don't think the train could've pierced a steel wall like that. Remember that steel is more flexible than you think, that's why it is used for construction. And if the train accelerated from the spot it had no chance to pierce it at all. Sorry for the wait. Well, everytime i rewatch that scene, i notice that the train was already going quite fast when it passed through. Now, do you know of any metals weaker than steel that a speedy Iron train would be able to destroy? No idea about other metals, that seems steel to me. It seems that the ones behind this anime doesn't know much about breaking metals. First kurusu's sword and now the gate, quite the lack of knowledge for someone who's is dealing with a steampunk setup. Or they just straight ignoring physics for the sake of the story, but is funny how the two times they did it had to do with metals. |
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May 21, 2016 3:08 PM
#385
Still really appreciating the fact that we got an MC that has got his shit together. It's just something I must emphasize. HyperL said: It seems that the ones behind this anime doesn't know much about breaking metals. First kurusu's sword and now the gate, quite the lack of knowledge for someone who's is dealing with a steampunk setup. Or they just straight ignoring physics for the sake of the story, but is funny how the two times they did it had to do with metals. It can't have been actual steel. Historically the Japanese didn't even have proper steel for their weapons, which is precisely why they came up with such a sublime way of working it. In any case, building structures of that size, on that scale, out of steel, even with some limited access to imported raw materials, would have been out of the question, at least untill well into the 20th century, let alone before that. By the way, judging by Suzuki's hairstyle, we're in the end of the 18th, early 19th century at the very latest. I wonder if we'll ever get an explanation as to how the American ended up there, and was called Suzuki. I always suspected we had a hidden gem right there. That's what you call a true hardbody, damn! Girl of the season. |
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May 21, 2016 3:19 PM
#386
Laionidas said: Still really appreciating the fact that we got an MC that has got his shit together. It's just something I must emphasize. HyperL said: It seems that the ones behind this anime doesn't know much about breaking metals. First kurusu's sword and now the gate, quite the lack of knowledge for someone who's is dealing with a steampunk setup. Or they just straight ignoring physics for the sake of the story, but is funny how the two times they did it had to do with metals. It can't have been actual steel. Historically the Japanese didn't even have proper steel for their weapons, which is precisely why they came up with such a sublime way of working it. In any case, building structures of that size, on that scale, out of steel, even with some limited access to imported raw materials, would have been out of the question, at least untill well into the 20th century, let alone before that. By the way, judging by Suzuki's hairstyle, we're in the end of the 18th, early 19th century at the very latest. I wonder if we'll ever get an explanation as to how the American ended up there, and was called Suzuki. I always suspected we had a hidden gem right there. That's what you call a true hardbody, damn! Girl of the season. So there ya go @zal, according to Laionidas, a steel gate of that size was not possible at their current century. |
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May 21, 2016 3:34 PM
#387
Amazing episode! I really loved it but i was wondering if that shadow of kabanes was control by something else :S Blue heart o.o |
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May 21, 2016 3:59 PM
#388
How the hell did a heart conveniently get in the way of the train engines? How come the rocks were extremely tight when they were crushing Mumei but he somehow managed to wrap ropes around said rocks? This is a whole hell of a "convenient plot device at convenient time" of a show, but at least it's fun and the art is pretty. PS- More Yukina wearing very little, thanks. |
May 21, 2016 4:13 PM
#389
Mizusi said: How the hell did a heart conveniently get in the way of the train engines? How come the rocks were extremely tight when they were crushing Mumei but he somehow managed to wrap ropes around said rocks? This is a whole hell of a "convenient plot device at convenient time" of a show, but at least it's fun and the art is pretty. PS- More Yukina wearing very little, thanks. Considering how many Kabane were run over before they even retrieved Ikoma and Mumei it's not that unlikely. |
May 21, 2016 4:18 PM
#390
Darklight0303 said: Mizusi said: How the hell did a heart conveniently get in the way of the train engines? How come the rocks were extremely tight when they were crushing Mumei but he somehow managed to wrap ropes around said rocks? This is a whole hell of a "convenient plot device at convenient time" of a show, but at least it's fun and the art is pretty. PS- More Yukina wearing very little, thanks. Considering how many Kabane were run over before they even retrieved Ikoma and Mumei it's not that unlikely. And it doesn't matter much how Ikoma was able to wrap the ropes because that was not what saved her, it was a useless effort, so having that scene or not doesn't have any more purpose than to show Ikoma was giving his all to save her. |
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May 21, 2016 4:59 PM
#391
Aight, good luck explaining why the devices for Ikoma's "hanging" engine to prevent the curse from spreading were on the exact same place he was firstly attacked by the kabane, too. |
May 21, 2016 5:04 PM
#392
Mizusi said: Aight, good luck explaining why the devices for Ikoma's "hanging" engine to prevent the curse from spreading were on the exact same place he was firstly attacked by the kabane, too. That has nothing to do with this episode you know? not to mention I can't even understand what you're trying to say |
May 21, 2016 5:16 PM
#393
Darklight0303 said: That has nothing to do with this episode you know? not to mention I can't even understand what you're trying to say Convenience in both episodes, everything convenient is there at the right place and time. |
May 21, 2016 5:19 PM
#394
Mizusi said: Darklight0303 said: That has nothing to do with this episode you know? not to mention I can't even understand what you're trying to say Convenience in both episodes, everything convenient is there at the right place and time. How is it convenience when both him and Takumi were blatantly researching Kabane countermeasures? And again when you run over a field of Kabane in one charge, stuff will break and get under the wheels and maybe gets stuck in something. It's not impossible. =_= You're being ridiculous. |
May 21, 2016 5:24 PM
#395
Mizusi said: The place Ikoma was attacked, if you didn't notice, was HIS OWN WORKSHOP.Aight, good luck explaining why the devices for Ikoma's "hanging" engine to prevent the curse from spreading were on the exact same place he was firstly attacked by the kabane, too. |
May 21, 2016 5:50 PM
#396
May 21, 2016 5:59 PM
#397
It's hard to see Mumei feeling helpless and not in action! Ikoma really pushed himself on annihilating all those Kabaneri inside the tunnel! cool Type-48 Cannon! what the heck CGI again!?!? 5/5! |
May 21, 2016 8:41 PM
#398
May 21, 2016 9:15 PM
#400
Laionidas said: Still really appreciating the fact that we got an MC that has got his shit together. It's just something I must emphasize. HyperL said: It seems that the ones behind this anime doesn't know much about breaking metals. First kurusu's sword and now the gate, quite the lack of knowledge for someone who's is dealing with a steampunk setup. Or they just straight ignoring physics for the sake of the story, but is funny how the two times they did it had to do with metals. It can't have been actual steel. Historically the Japanese didn't even have proper steel for their weapons, which is precisely why they came up with such a sublime way of working it. In any case, building structures of that size, on that scale, out of steel, even with some limited access to imported raw materials, would have been out of the question, at least untill well into the 20th century, let alone before that. By the way, judging by Suzuki's hairstyle, we're in the end of the 18th, early 19th century at the very latest. I wonder if we'll ever get an explanation as to how the American ended up there, and was called Suzuki. I always suspected we had a hidden gem right there. That's what you call a true hardbody, damn! Girl of the season. Looking at the size of the building the train was inside of there was nowhere near enough space to gain any speed let alone to gain enough to break down the door and for the train to come out of it undamaged. I won't mention the way they managed to find and dig out the MC's while putting the cannon on the train and how the zombies conveniently disappeared when the plot deemed it necessary. |
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