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| Was the episode attempting to say that primal desires such as love and acceptance are a result of our innate fear of emptiness? So... everyone uniting into a single mind somehow causes this void to just disappear? This episode was quite confusing and so has the direction of the plot. |
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| ASUKA, STOP FREAKING CRYING ON YOUR KNEES SAYING MEAN THINGS ABOUT YOURSELF!!!!! |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. |
| I'm so confused lol. |
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| Introspective episode for sure. Interesting how the final scene with Shinji and the world he created had all of these characters speaking to him, even minor characters. Yet, Gendo didn't say one thing even though he did appear once. Funnily enough, Kaworu didn't appear in Shinji's introspection as well, I wonder if that was intentional? I don't know about this one, I'll probably have to rewatch it and analyze it again because there was a lot of information going on, especially in the 2nd part. Also were Misato and Ritsuko killed? It sure seemed to imply that. |
| I love the psychological stuff but....what? Didn't understand a fuck. |
| ...amazing. |
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| Is this some kind of New Wave film? They just put all the confusing and worthless elements in as if they were trying to explain something. What is this? What's happening? Is this Shinji's psychological struggle? Yeah yeah everyone's broken, so is it relevant to all the Angel stuffs and the destruction of the world? |
| (rewatching again) 5/5 It's really interesting watching this with prior knowledge. Instrumentality has begun. All of the feelings experienced by the characters are nothing that haven't been hinted at throughout the series already. I've loved this episode since I first saw the series. I can't help but wonder what the like/dislike age breakdown for this is... |
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| I hate when I'm losing track of what's happening. Looks like I'm not the only one tho. |
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| This is somehow confusing but it was a fun watch . |
| Mindless babling full of negativity. C'mon, as if I'm not negative enough IRL.. |
| bruh that was pretty confusing but interesting too. |
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| Ok that was quite confusing. I will have to do some researches after finishing Evangelion. I can llive with the idea of making a whole episode in one dark room and the MC's reflecting about their life and inner fears since this anime was all about the characters anyway. Now I'm asking myself if the whole story about the EVA's,ADAM, the angels etc. ever played a big role or was it just a buildup for something even bigger than this ? Obviously it has to be the Human Instrumentality Project. |
SilentSword114Jul 22, 2016 6:04 PM
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| This episode was even more confusing then the previous one, hope next episode will provide some answers. |
| ....wait. huh? what's happening |
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| 'You seek your value in the perception of others.' - Rei. The whole series explores this interdependence of human beings with regard to constructing am identity for themselves through interaction with other people. All the characters yearn for appreciation of some sort in order to preserve their sense of self. I loved this episode! It is my absolute favorite. Shinji, Misato, Asuka... all of their consciousness are revealed in depth and it just shows how we, all human beings, put on masks/an act for the appreciation of others. I also liked how they explored the subjectivity of truth/reality in a world where different forms of truths/realities exist. It was truly the deepest episode ever and I'm so glad that I didn't drop this series in the first half when I didn't enjoy it much. |
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| I'm sorry but did I miss something? I'm guessing the preview for episode 25 happens in the movie right? I'm so confused right now... |
KashKetchumDec 1, 2016 3:52 AM
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| @Kryptiq Sketches? It is the episode 25’ preview (first part of tge finale movie). Your DVDs must have edited it into the 24 instead of keeping the original. Sounds like the episode itself was not inspiring at all to you. XD edit: Nano1124 said: the End of Evangelion movie is the true canon ending This is (not) true. I know nobody outside of the stupid part of the "fan" crowd who was begging/threating for another end and their heirs here on the western Internet who stated that The End was "the true ending" to the detriment of the TV (glorious) finale. Maybe I'm wrong but I even recall Anno considering that the eps 25 and 26 were "fine". If the movie exists, it's partially for those angry guys (I suppose they were even angrier after it) and probably partially because of Gainax eternal financial problems (they had to capitalize on the show's success to get back on their feet before the next downfall) Anyway, at best 25' - 26' compliment the original 25 and 26. But they will never replace it. One could argue that they're even optional (the series bei g self-sufficient). This is what Gendo wanted? Where do the Evas fall in place? ADAM? The Lance of Longinus? What does the committee want? - Yes, this man has his own issues: he never went past her wife's death. The Complementarity Project should reunite them. - The EVA's making stqrted as Gehirn's attempt to recreate "God" (if you prefer, the deity-like giant being the expedition discovered) if I remember right. - ADAM is the oriigin of all Angels (Lillith being his equivalent for humans). Their reason to be is like inseminating planets with life. Now, going outside of the anime's boundaries: A problem arised when two "inseminators" fall on Earth. The Lance is a device "delivered" with them to "lock" the development of one of those giants in case something like that happens (in Earth case, it happened around the end of the dinosaurs era, the First Impact). From memory, humans foolishly relinquished Adam who was still in its embryonic form, leading to the series events and the Angels appearance... I invite you to read further on that if you're curious. - The Commitee wanted the stagnant humanity to reach another evolutionary step. Sadly for the old men, Gendô hijacked their plans: he always worked in their backs to appropriate the Instrumentality for his personal goal. @Raizel At that time, the show had already been moved to an evening/night broadcast slot because of (stupidly over-protective) parents complains. Can't remember when the change was made though, sorry. @ShadowZ_AnimeZ Indeed, there will be no "explanation" about an Impact or another one. You will be given the Instrumentality through Shinji's case exclusively. There is no particular "system", it's just that all spirits / lifes were merged into one "bowl of life". ^^ Anyway, have a good time with the great TV finale. Mai 3rd, 2019 Kajo_Senpai69 said: how despicable Asuka's mother was for disowning her early on and giving all the emotions her daughter longed for to a doll instead before she took her own life. In the other hand, as the person working on EVA-02, was it really her entire fault if she had lost part of her mind/soul in the process? (at the very least, she was still living among humans unlike Yui, I know. But still...) |
Rei_IIIMay 3, 2019 7:17 AM
Rei366 said: @Kryptiq Sketches? It is the episode 25’ preview (first part of tge finale movie). Your DVDs must have edited it into the 24 instead of keeping the original. Sounds like the episode itself was not inspiring at all to you. XD Sorry, I meant the preview for episode 25. Lol yeah. The episode wasn't bad by any means, it just wasn't what I expected... |
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| Jeez, is EVERYONE breaking down mentally? Asuka, Misato, Rei, and Shinji all go broken down. So the Intrumentality Project is basically a infinite tsukuyomi or at least something similar. It wants to make everyone feelse whole or complete or something like that. A whole lot of dark secrets are coming out. This is what Gendo wanted? Where do the Evas fall in place? ADAM? The Lance of Longinus? What does the committee want? 1 last episode and it's over! Well, there's still the End of Evangelion movie and that's the true canon ending so who knows what'll happen. Almost done... What will you do Shinji? |
| This second to last episode is super disappointing.. I just hope the last episode is gonna be somewhat good. |
| I was really shocked to see that Ritsuko had been shot and lying dead, and I was even more shocked to see that Misato was shot and dead too... was this the doing of commander ikari?? I'm confused on all of the psychological babble, not that I wasn't able to comprehend it, but I'm confused on what is actually happening? Are they all dead, and somehow each of their consciousness' are merging together, somehow because of commander ikari?? And also, commander ikari was talking to the eva that contained her consciousness or the will of her soul, is this what shinji's mother wanted? I do hope things are wrapped up nicely and we find the answers to our questions |
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| and this episode (and some other things) most likely took away the chance of me giving the anime more than 7... |
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| It seems that there are only acephalic people in world of animes! You guys can't understand and accept anything too complex for yours little heads. This episode is fantastic and with several interesting insights. |
| I don't understand how people were confused by this episode. It was so on-the-nose and repetitive. It literally hammered down the same message over and over. The only thing I was confused about was why they spent a full episode on this, when all it did was blatantly spell out stuff that it has either alluded to or downright established in previous episodes. And it's not about "wanting action" or anything like that. I just wanted decent writing, considering this is the penultimate episode (yes...I know there's the movie, but my point still stands). With the exception of some episodes, the show has done a decent job of "show, don't tell" but occasionally it has episodes/scenes like this were it's "tell, tell, tell." Or rather "tell, repeat, repeat." It doesn't respect your intelligence as a viewer. Or your time, for that matter... How people can praise an episode like this as intelligent writing/direction baffles me. That all said, i've enjoyed the show so far. In fact, i've enjoyed it a lot, which is why I feel so strongly when crap like this comes along. Either way, i'm looking forward to the movie as well as the rebuilds. I'm imagining they'll address some of the issues I have with the show (hopefully). |
TheGenkiGuyAug 31, 2017 10:50 AM
| I can see why people are confused, I had a bit trouble of getting every detail too, but if you've paid attention to everything that happened before you should've at least an idea what the message of this episode meant to be. |
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| A truly dark episode, no wonder there were issues in Japan streaming this, just imagine showing this to a child it will have a lot of negativity on their minds. Rei366 said: Yeah I heard about that like 2 months ago before I even considered watching NGE and I heard it effected other shows as well, that's the reason why It peaked my interest to watch.At that time, the show had already been moved to an evening/night broadcast slot because of (stupidly over-protective) parents complains. Can't remember when the change was made though, sorry. |
RaizelOct 7, 2017 11:29 PM
I'm so proud that I discovered that you have "not really" written in white :') |
BurntJelly said: (rewatching again) 5/5 It's really interesting watching this with prior knowledge. Instrumentality has begun. All of the feelings experienced by the characters are nothing that haven't been hinted at throughout the series already. I've loved this episode since I first saw the series. I can't help but wonder what the like/dislike age breakdown for this is... Also rewatching. This is indeed confusing for the people that are watching for the first time. After seing End Of Evangelion imo is much clear what is happing under the hood. As you said (and the show also said) the instrumentality project has begun, now it is time for Shinji to choose its conclusion. P.S. Interesting to see Gendo telling Rei that "the day" was arrived, it is exactly like in the Movie, you know what comes next (Gendo uses Rei to start his instrumentality project). |
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| The budget's clearly run dry, considering how much of this episode was on a black background. Misato being afraid of sleeping alone/wanting to be defiled/being shamed by the voices in her head for being a slut...doesn't make much sense if she's only had sex with Kaji. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Ths episode is definitely underfunded. There are barely any new animation. Besides that, this episode explained the main character(s) desire and their views since they're all in the human instrumentality system right? So if they're in the human instrumentality system, does their real body have to be killed and their soul transferred to the system? I just realized it... There's no way a perfectly CLEAR explanation will be revealed in the next episode. The closest thing to an explanation about the impact and other things are probably by showing compilations of short information... |
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| Lots of psychological stuff going on here. Now I understand why Kaworu's reason in the last episode, and a little about his love with Shinji. And, the Human Instrumentality project consists of binding all souls together. But the plot line is at least smoothed out now. The 24th episode doesn't feel so much out of whack now. Let's see how the last episode proceeds. And man, I really need to recollect all the stuff that happened in all the episodes. It's like reading an encyclopedia the first time around. But there are some plot threads to be connected. Let's see where this will end. But it was great doing the shrink stuff with Rei, Asuka and Misato. They really needed it. And some nice ASMR here. I could listen to this episode with my eyes closed and get the ultimate ASMR. |
JeremiahOrangeMar 8, 2018 1:53 PM
 Without change,we end up becoming the very person we hate. I was dead until the moment I met you. I was a powerless corpse pretending to be alive. Living without power, without the ability to change my course, was bound to lead me to a slow death. |
| Ah yes, the infamous episode 25. It was nothing short of brilliant, all the buildup of the characters, their personalities, wishes, everything lead here. Characters are stripped bare in front of themselves, the charade that they have been putting on has been torn down, and they are forced to be honest with themselves, even though it is so painful. You can feel that the director has gone through the same thought process himself, the emotions are so sincere. Simply genius, on to the last episode. |
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| Incredibly dense and heavy episode. Difficult to arrive at a conclusion or understanding after that series of abstract interrogations. It's even hard to distinguish what was "reality" or what was mental exploration. I have a sinking feeling that the Human Instrumentality Project isn't going to be very well explained in the last episode if this was the introduction to it in action. Like others have mentioned, it's obviously clear and sadly disappointing to see that Gainax had drained its budget to the limit towards the end of the show. Lots of still frames in these final episodes. |
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| It is still brilliant. The way they managed to turn the low budget around into their favor was amazing. It's a hard episode to digest if you are not ready for it, but if you are - you can realize it is a masterpiece. I remember hating it the first time I was watching the show, it does take a while to start to appreciate. |
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| Quite the confusing episode. |
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| Quite possibly the worst episode of any anime ever It sounds like the sloppy stream of consciousness of a 15 year old emo kid who suddenly fancies themselves some kind of philosopher or edgy writer. It feels like this episode lasted hours, and by the end I was just praying for mercy, for it (and the writers career) to end. I can not express my frustration any more than that; a further, more precise description escapes me. |
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A_Haiku_Unloose said: It is still brilliant. The way they managed to turn the low budget around into their favor was amazing. It's a hard episode to digest if you are not ready for it, but if you are - you can realize it is a masterpiece. I remember hating it the first time I was watching the show, it does take a while to start to appreciate. It's a bunch of pseudo-intellectual absolute fucking nonsense. It's like some freshman that took their first philosophy class, got super high, and decided to armchair philosophize. Thoughts and subjects jump around inconsistently and frantically, with no real common thread or theme, just "I am so deep, notice me senpai". It makes me want to hit the writer with a brick. |
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| Stupid episode. This was so horrible that I'm dropping my rating for the series from a 7 all the way to a 5. |
| After the threat the Angels had brought upon the world was decimated, it looks like the Pilots now have to face the mess that is their minds that had festered within them after all that time they kept it unchecked while fighting those monsters. Now that they have nothing to fight for anymore, they all started looking back to search for their reason to exist and it only made them more and more despaired. If there's one thing I can say, it's about how despicable Asuka's mother was for disowning her early on and giving all the emotions her daughter longed for to a doll instead before she took her own life. It's become so surreal that's it's difficult to determine what's real or not since most of it is apparently from Shinji's perspective of everyone. It looks like he had shut himself into that studio to stop being interacted with by others but retaining the ability to understand the thoughts of his comrades without having to get attached at them even more. |
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| i'm even more confused honestly..... |
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