| 3 years in prison for having loli/shotacon doujins. SPRINGFIELD, Mo. - A Monett man pleaded guilty in federal court Monday to possessing cartoons that depicted child pornography. Christjan Bee, 36, of Monett, pleaded guilty before U.S. Magistrate Judge James C. England to possessing obscenity. That's according to David M. Ketchmark, Acting United States Attorney for the Western District of Missouri. He says on August 8, 2011, Bee's wife contacted the Monett Police Department and reported that she had found files she believed to be child pornography on a computer used by her husband. Police officers executed a search warrant at Bee's residence and seized his computer. During the forensic examination of Bee's computer, a collection of electronic comics, entitled "incest comics," were discovered on the computer. These comics contained multiple images of minors engaging in graphic sexual intercourse with adults and other minors. The depictions clearly lack any literary, artistic, political or scientific value. Under the terms of today's plea agreement, the government will recommend a sentence of three years in federal prison without parole. A sentencing hearing will be scheduled after the completion of a pre-sentence investigation by the United States Probation Office Also, who are they too decide those "comics" don't have any artistic value? The justice system shows it worth once once again(/sarcasm). This is so much bullshit I don't even know where to begin. |
AngelicTsundere said: All I have to say is, that's just hilarious. GG American Government for being so narrow-minded again. Meh, it's Missouri. I wouldn't expect this in either of our states. |
| Idk. I don't think he deserves prison time, but collecting incestuous comics that depict minors fucking adults and other minors is a little beyond acceptable. Perhaps some court ordered "help" may be a little more appropriate. At least they weren't real pictures, that'd be a different story. |
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Shiveron said: Idk. I don't think he deserves prison time, but collecting incestuous comics that depict minors fucking adults and other minors is a little beyond acceptable. Perhaps some court ordered "help" may be a little more appropriate. At least they weren't real pictures, that'd be a different story. But it hasen't been proven that those kind of comics are harmfull. |
| #1: It's happened before, it'll happen again. #2: Such laws exist around the world, not just America before another anti-US thread starts growing. (as much as I like them! :D ) #3: The wife's actions are surprising, and in my opinion are the actions most noteworthy in this particular case. #4: Don't go blaming the 'US Justice system', when it is the legislators at fault - the judges have to enforce the laws passed by the government. (a Supreme Court ruling, aside, I guess) |
Jack_RavOct 18, 2012 7:42 AM
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rederoin said: Shiveron said: Idk. I don't think he deserves prison time, but collecting incestuous comics that depict minors fucking adults and other minors is a little beyond acceptable. Perhaps some court ordered "help" may be a little more appropriate. At least they weren't real pictures, that'd be a different story. But it hasen't been proven that those kind of comics are harmfull. It doesn't matter. His specific collection was that of children having sex with other children (possibly incestuous even) and adults. This in itself is a problem, though locking the man in prison is not going to help him. Whether they're cartoons or not, it's the idea behind it that is troubling. |
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| Nothing new, but still frustrating... How long does one usually get for rape again? |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Shiveron said: rederoin said: Shiveron said: Idk. I don't think he deserves prison time, but collecting incestuous comics that depict minors fucking adults and other minors is a little beyond acceptable. Perhaps some court ordered "help" may be a little more appropriate. At least they weren't real pictures, that'd be a different story. But it hasen't been proven that those kind of comics are harmfull. It doesn't matter. His specific collection was that of children having sex with other children (possibly incestuous even) and adults. This in itself is a problem, though locking the man in prison is not going to help him. Whether they're cartoons or not, it's the idea behind it that is troubling. Help is not necessary if those pictures haven't been proven to be harmful. Should he get help if he wants it? yes. Should be forced to get help? No. Higashi_no_Kaze said: How long does one usually get for rape again? 5.4 is the average according to wiki. |
| His wife is a bitch. Also, 3 years is definitely too much. I'll blame the guy for not hiding his stash well enough in the first place. |
Necro-samaOct 18, 2012 7:50 AM
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AngelicTsundere said: Shiveron said: Idk. I don't think he deserves prison time, but collecting incestuous comics that depict minors fucking adults and other minors is a little beyond acceptable. Perhaps some court ordered "help" may be a little more appropriate. At least they weren't real pictures, that'd be a different story. If they were real pictures then yes, they're worthy of prison time indeed. As you said, "help" is necessary, but what exactly makes them illegal to you? I don't think anything makes them illegal. Troubling yes; illegal no. That's why I suggested maybe they find him some help instead of throwing him in prison. Locking someone behind bars for a personal issue that clearly hasn't harmed anyone is not in any way shape or form, a practical solution to this problem. |
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| I'm surprised his wife ratted him out. You're supposed to stick by your man, woman! But who knows, he might have given her good reason to want send him to prison. WHAT IF SHE PLANTED THEM? |
Shiveron said: AngelicTsundere said: Shiveron said: Idk. I don't think he deserves prison time, but collecting incestuous comics that depict minors fucking adults and other minors is a little beyond acceptable. Perhaps some court ordered "help" may be a little more appropriate. At least they weren't real pictures, that'd be a different story. If they were real pictures then yes, they're worthy of prison time indeed. As you said, "help" is necessary, but what exactly makes them illegal to you? I don't think anything makes them illegal. Troubling yes; illegal no. That's why I suggested maybe they find him some help instead of throwing him in prison. Locking someone behind bars for a personal issue that clearly hasn't harmed anyone is not in any way shape or form, a practical solution to this problem. Where do you even get that ne needs 'help'? A look at your profile tells me you enjoy your fair share of (loli) fanservice/ecchi stuff yourself which panders to the same urges. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| One guy comes to mind. Madthad. |
| 3 years is way too harsh, I hate our legal system. |
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AngelicTsundere said: You may be right, but I added the point (a post above yours), that it seems as if the defendent couldn't testify from what it seems. But ofc, if this is just a small news story then they're not gonna have the details :S Well he has a constitutional right to speak at his own hearing, but that doesn't mean he wanted to. Shame is a very powerful emotion, and if this was something he wanted to keep in the deep dark recesses of his own secrecy, he may have just decided to concede. Trying to explain something this extreme to people who have no prior experience with the subject, and only see things through closed eyes, is nearly pointless; especially when you're already extremely embarrassed or shameful feeling. Either way, as you said, there's probably quite a bit lost in translation through the media. Higashi_no_Kaze said: Where do you even get that ne needs 'help'? A look at your profile tells me you enjoy your fair share of (loli) fanservice/ecchi stuff yourself which panders to the same urges. Indeed I do. My enjoyment of fanservice/ecchi is definitely my male hormones hard at work. I don't pretend to deny that; boobs and the general female figure rule. Loli's rule too, however i'm not seeking out and amassing collections of childlike characters having sex with each other and with adults. Honestly, the aggressive manner the question posed at me is phrased leaves me little room to explain my own tendencies without sounding like a hypocrite so i'm not even going to try further than what's here. Simply put, I like Loli's, but I don't wanna fuck em. If he indeed collects these because they fuel his sexual desires, then that's why I suggest some help. It's the fact his preferences lean towards minors, animated or not, that could prompt a little bit of worry. Also, please note, I have not yet once said he needs help. I've only suggested it as a better solution to incarceration. |
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| Now, when are they going to begin locking people up for getting a kick out of violent films and games now? The exact same argument could be applied. There's a reason shitty movies and generic games with nothing new sell well, people love the shock value. Only the criminally insane would get a kick out of death being depicted, and killing virtual characters. Right? If you oppose lolicon, you MUST oppose violence in the media as well. Double standards as per usual. |
| The three years in prison is only the tip of the iceberg. He'll probably have to register as a sex offender for life, which means he'll be subject to living restrictions, reduced employment opportunities, and all kinds of vigilante threats and harassment possibly including straight-up murder. A sex offender who has committed zero offenses against the life, liberty, or well-being of any other human being... all for the nonexistent thought crime of possessing drawn pictures. Of fictional minors! I thought child pornography laws were supposed to protect real, breathing, flesh-and-blood children from sexual assault and exploitation. But it seems the legal system is bored or malicious enough to use them to ruin men's lives, at least when they're not busy turning teens into literal child pornographers for sexting. |
on Shiveron said: AngelicTsundere said: You may be right, but I added the point (a post above yours), that it seems as if the defendent couldn't testify from what it seems. But ofc, if this is just a small news story then they're not gonna have the details :S Well he has a constitutional right to speak at his own hearing, but that doesn't mean he wanted to. Shame is a very powerful emotion, and if this was something he wanted to keep in the deep dark recesses of his own secrecy, he may have just decided to concede. Trying to explain something this extreme to people who have no prior experience with the subject, and only see things through closed eyes, is nearly pointless; especially when you're already extremely embarrassed or shameful feeling. Either way, as you said, there's probably quite a bit lost in translation through the media. Higashi_no_Kaze said: Where do you even get that ne needs 'help'? A look at your profile tells me you enjoy your fair share of (loli) fanservice/ecchi stuff yourself which panders to the same urges. Indeed I do. My enjoyment of fanservice/ecchi is definitely my male hormones hard at work. I don't pretend to deny that; boobs and the general female figure rule. Loli's rule too, however i'm not seeking out and amassing collections of childlike characters having sex with each other and with adults. Honestly, the aggressive manner the question posed at me is phrased leaves me little room to explain my own tendencies without sounding like a hypocrite so i'm not even going to try further than what's here. Simply put, I like Loli's, but I don't wanna fuck em. If he indeed collects these because they fuel his sexual desires, then that's why I suggest some help. It's the fact his preferences lean towards minors, animated or not, that could prompt a little bit of worry. Also, please note, I have not yet once said he needs help. I've only suggested it as a better solution to incarceration. I don't know, is it normal to obviously be sexually attracted to something (Enjoying watching it being depicted in a sexualized manner, panty shots, shower scenes, wearing maid outfits and swimsuits etc...) but then saying you have no inner desire whatsoever to do anything beyond that? Who only likes to look at women/girls but no further? I'm really trying to understand you here. But setting my puzzled curiosity aside, my point was that both are the same - sexual attraction to lolis. To what degree you follow that attraction does not maky any difference (legally or morally) as long as in both cases it happens in the 2D Realm. Would it really make a difference if he didn't collect them (for convenience or whatever reason) and instead just browsed them online while fapping to it? I don't see how it would morally or psychologically. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Shiveron said: rederoin said: Shiveron said: Idk. I don't think he deserves prison time, but collecting incestuous comics that depict minors fucking adults and other minors is a little beyond acceptable. Perhaps some court ordered "help" may be a little more appropriate. At least they weren't real pictures, that'd be a different story. But it hasen't been proven that those kind of comics are harmfull. It doesn't matter. His specific collection was that of children having sex with other children (possibly incestuous even) and adults. This in itself is a problem, though locking the man in prison is not going to help him. Whether they're cartoons or not, it's the idea behind it that is troubling. You are crazy. He needs no help at all. Just because hentai-manga isn't your thing it means the guy needs help? So anyone with a doujin-hentai manga collection needs help? As you know the majority of those ether have 14-16 year old schoolgirls or 12-13 year old lolis and both those ages are considered minors and children in the eye of the law. Even if isn't your preferred doujin theme if you have many doujins/hentai-manga is almost impossible to not have at least a dozen or more of them in there and read a few stories with such girls in. So by you all the millions reading hentai-manga are sick and need help? Actually seeing your profile pic then maybe you are sick too. Did you saw High-school of DxD? Do you realize that those girls are in school and therefore are minors? Doesn't that show depict them in sexual ways or show them naked? Shame on you, you sick twisted person! You need help immediately! See how easy it is? |
| Even if we accept the lunacy behind all this, it's still a grossly retarded and draconian punishment for a negligible "offence". Everyone knows that regular prison doesn't help anyone, and American prisons are pure shit in that regard. The only remotely acceptable response to cases like these would be some psychiatry sessions or fines. But apparently the US justice system is a stupid, blunt tool in this area at least. Oh and I hope he gave that bitchass wife of his a good cuntpunt for her betrayal. |
| Well, he did have a folder called "incest comics". |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| In Finland average sentence for rape or forcing to sexual act is less than one year. Most of the time rapers get just a warning and fines. And get under this for a half a year or a year depending the case, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_discharge Info from 2002. And then someone gets 3 years for having drawings. Okay. I just few days ago watched news where some swede said child abuse on internet forums is as bad as the real thing. So basically talking about rape is as bad as rape. Not sure if the world is insane or fucking insane. |
| I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls. |
| Liking small children, whether depicted as cartoons or not, is by no means a 'harmless fetish'. Is 3 years too much? Of course it is. Time in prison won't really do any good for this guy and might turn him into an ACTUAL rapist since he is very likely to be raped/ abused himself, as often happens of anyone accused of any crimes relating to children. They are the bottom of the food chain because even prisoners have SOME sense of morality- or just want an excuse to make someone the 'b*@ch". Many anime fans are starting to become a bit too lax about the lolicon thing- Whether they are cartoons or not, you are still enjoying and getting off on small children being violated. And please don't give me the 'well it's usually the kid coming onto the adult' excuse- You know very well that that is there just so they can say "SEE IT'S OKAY". I believe lolicon should be, technically, a safe release for REAL pedophiles who unfortunately cannot help their sexual attraction to children as they were either born with it or it developed early in life. Random people who are not actually pedophiles enjoying these OVAs or doujins or whatever makes a mockery of the people who live with this illness and do not act on it . |
Amberleh said: a safe release for REAL pedophiles And potential murderers release their tension from killing people in games, right? People need to stop comparing fiction to real life. It really is no better than these insane politicians who try pass laws against games, by trying to claim there's any correlation between games and violence. It's completely unfounded. |
TrapaliciousOct 18, 2012 9:20 AM
Trapalicious said: Amberleh said: a safe release for REAL pedophiles And murderers release their tension from killing people in games, right? That is not the same thing as people are not born murderers. There are sociopaths, but that is an entirely different thing. Pedophiles are born with or have developed this attraction early in life- similar, unfortunately (although I HATE to make this comparison) to the way homosexuality developes. They CANNOT help their attraction. In the case of SOME pedophiles, child porn/lolicon would only increase their desires. In other cases, it may help them at least sate their desires. I think you may be running under the false assumption that pedophilia is a fetish- It is not. It is a sexual orientation. |
I believe lolicon should be, technically, a safe release for REAL pedophiles who unfortunately cannot help their sexual attraction to children as they were either born with it or it developed early in life. Random people who are not actually pedophiles enjoying these stories makes a mockery of the people who live with this illness and do not act on it . What makes a 'real' pedophile? I don't get it. Either you're sexually attracted to lolis or not. If you are you either fap to loli doujinshi or you go out and rape a child. The first response is the sane one the second one the insane one. The first one can't be judged, the second one can. The urge itself has no morality whatsoever. It's that easy. e: Pedophilia i doesn't have to be as 'extreme' as you describe it. ANY kind of attraction that gets to a level where you would physically and mentally harm somebody to satisfy it is dangerous and needs treatment. But that does NOT have to have anything to do with the the nature or the attraction/orientation/fetish/whatever itself. |
AlcoholicideOct 18, 2012 9:25 AM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Higashi_no_Kaze said: I don't know, is it normal to obviously be sexually attracted to something (Enjoying watching it being depicted in a sexualized manner, panty shots, shower scenes, wearing maid outfits and swimsuits etc...) but then saying you have no inner desire whatsoever to do anything beyond that? Who only likes to look at women/girls but no further? I'm really trying to understand you here. But setting my puzzled curiosity aside, my point was that both are the same - sexual attraction to lolis. To what degree you follow that attraction does not maky any difference (legally or morally) as long as in both cases it happens in the 2D Realm. Would it really make a difference if he didn't collect them (for convenience or whatever reason) and instead just browsed them online while fapping to it? I don't see how it would morally or psychologically. Once again, I can't really explain my thoughts without sounding like a hypocrite. If i'm watching an ecchi, i'm not specifically looking for little girls, whether the occasional loli is in there or not. This person was. Monad said: Shiveron said: rederoin said: Shiveron said: Idk. I don't think he deserves prison time, but collecting incestuous comics that depict minors fucking adults and other minors is a little beyond acceptable. Perhaps some court ordered "help" may be a little more appropriate. At least they weren't real pictures, that'd be a different story. But it hasen't been proven that those kind of comics are harmfull. It doesn't matter. His specific collection was that of children having sex with other children (possibly incestuous even) and adults. This in itself is a problem, though locking the man in prison is not going to help him. Whether they're cartoons or not, it's the idea behind it that is troubling. You are crazy. He needs no help at all. Just because hentai-manga isn't your thing it means the guy needs help? So anyone with a doujin-hentai manga collection needs help? As you know the majority of those ether have 14-16 year old schoolgirls or 12-13 year old lolis and both those ages are considered minors and children in the eye of the law. Even if isn't your preferred doujin theme if you have many doujins/hentai-manga is almost impossible to not have at least a dozen or more of them in there and read a few stories with such girls in. So by you all the millions reading hentai-manga are sick and need help? Actually seeing your profile pic then maybe you are sick too. Did you saw High-school of DxD? Do you realize that those girls are in school and therefore are minors? Doesn't that show depict them in sexual ways or show them naked? Shame on you, you sick twisted person! You need help immediately! See how easy it is? You're putting words in my mouth. Once again, I have yet to say he needs help. I'm suggesting it as an alternative. Whether you like my opinions on the topic or not, he's on American soil, subjected to American law, and under that law, he appears to be viewing child pornography, therefore he is fucked. End of story. No discussion needed. Do you think the law knows or cares about the term's Loli, ecchi, or fanservice? No. They don't. They see a man looking at depictions of children, and under American law, he is in the wrong. I also never once said hentai was wrong. If you like hentai, cool, fap til it falls off for all I care. Porn is awesome. Porn is win. If you like yours animated, power to you. It's when you're throwing children into the mix that it becomes wrong. I'm also very well aware of my profile picture. Hardly relevant, seeing as the character isn't depicted as being a young child. I'm trying to look at this article without bias, perhaps you should too. Some of you see it as ridiculous, which honestly it is, he doesn't need to be in prison for this. No real children were sexually exploited. But look at it this way. Investigators found a folder, that was (supposedly) titled "incest comics." Inside said folder, they find animated porn (hentai) that features children having sex with children, as well as with adults. Children. That is the key word here. A 36 year old male, had a folder called incest comics, that was full of animated child porn. That's EXACTLY how it looks. That's EXACTLY how it's being treated. |
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Higashi_no_Kaze said: I believe lolicon should be, technically, a safe release for REAL pedophiles who unfortunately cannot help their sexual attraction to children as they were either born with it or it developed early in life. Random people who are not actually pedophiles enjoying these stories makes a mockery of the people who live with this illness and do not act on it . What makes a 'real' pedophile? I don't get it. Either you're sexually attracted to lolis or not. If you are you either fap to loli doujinshi or you go out and rape a child. The first response is the sane one the second one the insane one. The first one can't be judged, the second one can. The urge itself has no morality whatsoever. It's that easy. Pedophile is a sexual orientation. A Child Molester is one who goes out and rapes children and is often also a pedophile, just as I am a heterosexual or someone is a homosexual. |
Amberleh said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I believe lolicon should be, technically, a safe release for REAL pedophiles who unfortunately cannot help their sexual attraction to children as they were either born with it or it developed early in life. Random people who are not actually pedophiles enjoying these stories makes a mockery of the people who live with this illness and do not act on it . What makes a 'real' pedophile? I don't get it. Either you're sexually attracted to lolis or not. If you are you either fap to loli doujinshi or you go out and rape a child. The first response is the sane one the second one the insane one. The first one can't be judged, the second one can. The urge itself has no morality whatsoever. It's that easy. Pedophile is a sexual orientation. A Child Molester is one who goes out and rapes children and is often also a pedophile, just as I am a heterosexual or someone is a homosexual. So pedophilia is like Homosexuality. And it is an illness. It doesn't matter if you say you hate the comparison, if you still use it. Let's agree to disagree. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Amberleh, what are you even trying to argue? |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Moe said: Amberleh, what are you even trying to argue? That people have started thinking loli is okay just because it's cartoons. It's not. And perhaps I shouldn't have even bothered mentioning that other thing, it was just sort of a related aside. |
Otaking87 said: Who cares about gun control though. The crimes are almost always committed with illegal guns anyways, so whether or not people can have legal guns doesn't matter.demonize a gyu for linking loil art but no new gun contral laws well that another wiin of the us law system wait no its not Amberleh said: Well, that's like, your opinion.That people have started thinking loli is okay just because it's cartoons. It's not. |
Amberleh said: Pedophiles are born with or have developed this attraction early in life- similar, unfortunately (although I HATE to make this comparison) to the way homosexuality developes. They CANNOT help their attraction. In the case of SOME pedophiles, child porn/lolicon would only increase their desires. In other cases, it may help them at least sate their desires. I think you may be running under the false assumption that pedophilia is a fetish- It is not. It is a sexual orientation. I'm aware of what pedophilia, don't assume that I'm making assumptions with nothing to back it up. I'm not going to even bother acknowledging your incredibly ignorant comparison to homosexuality. I'm just going to link to my first post to properly get what I was trying to say across. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=505943&show=20#msg17811199 |
Amberleh said: That people have started thinking loli is okay just because it's cartoons. It's not. And how did you defend the practically indefensible video game/murderer analogy? By saying only real pedophiles watch loli porn, but any innocent dude can enjoy killing cartoons? Surely you can see how weak that is. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
Post-Moe said: Amberleh said: That people have started thinking loli is okay just because it's cartoons. It's not. And how did you defend the practically indefensible video game/murderer analogy? By saying only real pedophiles watch loli porn, but any innocent dude can enjoy killing cartoons? Surely you can see how weak that is. Exactly this, also pedophilia is not an illness, you're born with it just like with homosexuality. Double standards are awesome, indeed. Like child pornography is worse than killing people... |
Play League of Legends here! Autocrat said: Hitler was good, objectively. |
Trapalicious said: Amberleh said: Pedophiles are born with or have developed this attraction early in life- similar, unfortunately (although I HATE to make this comparison) to the way homosexuality developes. They CANNOT help their attraction. In the case of SOME pedophiles, child porn/lolicon would only increase their desires. In other cases, it may help them at least sate their desires. I think you may be running under the false assumption that pedophilia is a fetish- It is not. It is a sexual orientation. I'm aware of what pedophilia, don't assume that I'm making assumptions with nothing to back it up. I'm not going to even bother acknowledging your incredibly ignorant comparison to homosexuality. I'm just going to link to my first post to properly get what I was trying to say across. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=505943&show=20#msg17811199 I can make the comparison to heterosexuality if you like. It doesn't matter. It is still a sexual orientation- I have no idea why or how biology evolved to create such a thing, but it did. And stop assuming I'm hating on homosexuals, that would be absurd. I have, throughout my young life, done what I can to defend homosexuality with all my heart. It is a very important topic to me as it is something that I am very much entangled with. I have run off anti-gay bullies many a time. And I'm not arguing that society's view on violence being okay as opposed to sex being evil makes any sense at all and I didn't bring up violence. In fact there are probably far more cases of people basing kills on video games than there are people basing sexual act towards children on child porn or loli. I personally think games such as Mortal Combat and Grand Theft Auto, while entertaining on a base level, are really unneccessarily violent to a ridiculous degree. |
AmberlehOct 18, 2012 9:57 AM
Necro-sama said: His wife is a bitch. Also, 3 years is definitely too much. I'll blame the guy for not hiding his stash well enough in the first place. My thoughts exactly. More evidence why 3D is shit. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| This is why you stream while incognito and don't download.. |
| Oh hey America. Any luck finding the real sex offenders yet? |
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Amberleh said: That is not the same thing as people are not born murderers. There are sociopaths, but that is an entirely different thing. Pedophiles are born with or have developed this attraction early in life- similar, unfortunately (although I HATE to make this comparison) to the way homosexuality developes. They CANNOT help their attraction. In the case of SOME pedophiles, child porn/lolicon would only increase their desires. In other cases, it may help them at least sate their desires. I think you may be running under the false assumption that pedophilia is a fetish- It is not. It is a sexual orientation. So is this all speculation, or do you have something that backs up your claims? First of all, real children and drawings can't be compared. Children aren't harmed when someone draws a loli, so there are no victims involved as there are with molestation or cp. Second of all, a point which you seem to be avoiding, is that it's okay to kill people in video games or watch murder/death in movies even though that would be illegal in real life. That's because video games and movies are not real, same as manga. If you want to start punishing or judging people just because you don't agree with their tastes, then you're the one who needs help. |
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Shiveron said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: I don't know, is it normal to obviously be sexually attracted to something (Enjoying watching it being depicted in a sexualized manner, panty shots, shower scenes, wearing maid outfits and swimsuits etc...) but then saying you have no inner desire whatsoever to do anything beyond that? Who only likes to look at women/girls but no further? I'm really trying to understand you here. But setting my puzzled curiosity aside, my point was that both are the same - sexual attraction to lolis. To what degree you follow that attraction does not maky any difference (legally or morally) as long as in both cases it happens in the 2D Realm. Would it really make a difference if he didn't collect them (for convenience or whatever reason) and instead just browsed them online while fapping to it? I don't see how it would morally or psychologically. Once again, I can't really explain my thoughts without sounding like a hypocrite. If i'm watching an ecchi, i'm not specifically looking for little girls, whether the occasional loli is in there or not. This person was. Monad said: Shiveron said: rederoin said: Shiveron said: Idk. I don't think he deserves prison time, but collecting incestuous comics that depict minors fucking adults and other minors is a little beyond acceptable. Perhaps some court ordered "help" may be a little more appropriate. At least they weren't real pictures, that'd be a different story. But it hasen't been proven that those kind of comics are harmfull. It doesn't matter. His specific collection was that of children having sex with other children (possibly incestuous even) and adults. This in itself is a problem, though locking the man in prison is not going to help him. Whether they're cartoons or not, it's the idea behind it that is troubling. You are crazy. He needs no help at all. Just because hentai-manga isn't your thing it means the guy needs help? So anyone with a doujin-hentai manga collection needs help? As you know the majority of those ether have 14-16 year old schoolgirls or 12-13 year old lolis and both those ages are considered minors and children in the eye of the law. Even if isn't your preferred doujin theme if you have many doujins/hentai-manga is almost impossible to not have at least a dozen or more of them in there and read a few stories with such girls in. So by you all the millions reading hentai-manga are sick and need help? Actually seeing your profile pic then maybe you are sick too. Did you saw High-school of DxD? Do you realize that those girls are in school and therefore are minors? Doesn't that show depict them in sexual ways or show them naked? Shame on you, you sick twisted person! You need help immediately! See how easy it is? You're putting words in my mouth. Once again, I have yet to say he needs help. I'm suggesting it as an alternative. Whether you like my opinions on the topic or not, he's on American soil, subjected to American law, and under that law, he appears to be viewing child pornography, therefore he is fucked. End of story. No discussion needed. Do you think the law knows or cares about the term's Loli, ecchi, or fanservice? No. They don't. They see a man looking at depictions of children, and under American law, he is in the wrong. I also never once said hentai was wrong. If you like hentai, cool, fap til it falls off for all I care. Porn is awesome. Porn is win. If you like yours animated, power to you. It's when you're throwing children into the mix that it becomes wrong. I'm also very well aware of my profile picture. Hardly relevant, seeing as the character isn't depicted as being a young child. I'm trying to look at this article without bias, perhaps you should too. Some of you see it as ridiculous, which honestly it is, he doesn't need to be in prison for this. No real children were sexually exploited. But look at it this way. Investigators found a folder, that was (supposedly) titled "incest comics." Inside said folder, they find animated porn (hentai) that features children having sex with children, as well as with adults. Children. That is the key word here. A 36 year old male, had a folder called incest comics, that was full of animated child porn. That's EXACTLY how it looks. That's EXACTLY how it's being treated. First when they say "Children" you can bet your ass they mean anything that seems under 18. That includes even the girls like the one in your profile pic. If the law suddenly decides that drawings are considered "children" then whether you like an anime school girl that isn't depicted very child like or not is irrelevant since the law doesn't discriminate any difference in punishment on whether a minor has grown boobs or not. Whether she's 15 or 12 plays no difference to the law. They only look that it is a minor. Also why the hell the file being called "incest comics" is a problem? First incest has nothing to do with children. Is a completely different fetish and reference. And last the law doesn't say that drawings are children but now judges decided to make it so. They decided they suddenly know what art is and that they know on whether loli manga is child pornography or that they are a pedophile interest while in truth they know shit or just act on a sense of false and fake moralism. I read hentai manga in the same way that i read normal manga too and there are times that some of them had lolis in them and a lot of them have schoolgirls. Sure i prefer my boobs but some loli stories where fun or have good art and i might decide to keep them in a file and also i have quite a few with schoolgirls, them having boobs doesn't change the fact they are minors. Will that suddenly make me a pedophile? This is ridiculous shit. I never had any interest on fucking a real child nether to i ever tried or had any interest to see any real pornographic child material. Infarct children get on my nerves most of the times and i like to avoid them. I am sexually quite happy with fucking grown women and some stupid judge will suddenly decide am a pedophile and a danger to society for a few stupid drawings? That is just bullshit. The idea that a pedophile will let of steam with loli manga is also stupid. Those stuff ain't for pedophiles to replace their affliction to real child porn nether will stop any of them from raping a child if they can't control themselves. To normal straight guys not wish to see normal porn and have sex with real women because they can read hentai-manga? All this shit are stupid. Hentai loli manga ain't for pedophiles and pedo-rapist, and having a few of them isn't evidence you are one at all. |
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