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Nov 22, 2023 11:06 AM
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Every season, like 90% of the shows that release have awful directing, art, and animation.
this season, you have shows like Frieren and Shangri-La Frontier, next to $5 budget series like Berserk of Gluttony and Taught a Dumb girl about Naughtiness. and i just have no fucking clue how you can watch one of the former and then see the latter without wanting to vomit. some of these series are legit like 22 mins of characters staring into space with their mouths moving.
Nov 22, 2023 11:28 AM
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Probably they liked the source material.

And I've seen some fans who watches anime in bulk, like they watch most of anime airing at the moment, I guess watching weekly makes it easy to watch a low budget airing anime.
Nov 22, 2023 11:30 AM
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For me, the low budget isn't always a big issue. I can still enjoy the show if I like the story and characters.
Nov 22, 2023 11:34 AM
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I'm so sorry, i will stop watching anime with low budgets from now on and only watch anime with godly animation like the ones you mentioned. Please don't hurt me.
Nov 22, 2023 11:46 AM
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For me, the low budget isn't always a big issue. I can still enjoy the show if I like the story and characters.
@Serafos usually low production quality correlates to poor writing quality though
Nov 22, 2023 11:56 AM
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Some of these low budget stuff are also nice, [ain't checking them in this season so can't speak for current season]

That's the same for everything, some of great video games started as low budget projects ex. League of Legends, Minecraft and many more
Same for musicians
I think the same would go for movies and tv series, I think that's exactly what happened to Star Wars and Game of Thrones

So why would I have to not watch the low budget animes, especially that I am spending my private time not yours?
Nov 22, 2023 11:57 AM
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Surprisingly, there are "low budget" series, that you claim, that are better than your major big shot series.
It only depends on enjoyment, for me at least. Quality and art is the one you should care less about and focus on the story. But there are those series where I couldn't care less about the story and just watch it for the comedy. There's nothing wrong with Frieren or Shangri-La but just know that there are those smaller ones that can surprise you.
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Nov 22, 2023 11:58 AM
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I press the play button and the video plays. It's that easy.
Nov 22, 2023 12:10 PM
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With their eyes open? Idk i can always do that since i was a baby tho
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Nov 22, 2023 12:19 PM
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I would watch a show with no budget, if it was good.

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Nov 22, 2023 12:19 PM

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For me, the low budget isn't always a big issue. I can still enjoy the show if I like the story and characters.
Serafos said:
For me, the low budget isn't always a big issue. I can still enjoy the show if I like the story and characters.


Same here even if the story/plot and characters in general is mediocre, I simply try to enjoy it for what it is as long as I know what I'm generally getting into.
Nov 22, 2023 12:29 PM
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I would watch a show with no budget, if it was good.
@DreamWindow "i would breathe air with no oxygen, if it were breathable"
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Nov 22, 2023 12:54 PM

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I do end up dropping most of the low budget seasonals, but there are some exceptions: animation is important, but not the only thing that matters. For example, I enjoyed Hoshi no Samidare (5.64 anime adaptation of a 8.35 manga) more than Bleach, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen and most of AoT.
Nov 22, 2023 1:15 PM

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Ah yes, the classic "If it doesn't have a high budget, it's trash!" logic. This sounds like the same logic people use for games.
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Nov 22, 2023 1:31 PM

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By being more interested in the story, characters, and world building than in the animation. That being said, if an ACTION PACKED story has bad animation, this becomes tedious very quickly obviously; so shows with little action can pull that off relatively well, but don't go hoping that peoples will be able to enjoy a shounen battle with low budget animation. Detective story, SOL, romance, etc etc, there's lot of stories that do not really need good animation. Good animation is a plus, but its priority is fairly low compared to lots of other criteria.
Nov 22, 2023 1:32 PM

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If it resonates with you and you have fun then watch it, that's all there is to it.

Nov 22, 2023 1:38 PM

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If the show is actually funny or well written. Bad animation is mostly forgivable for me.

... Unless it exeeds the limit my eyes can handle.
Nov 22, 2023 1:50 PM
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Typically I find it recommended to me via some accolade, I select it for consumption, and I sit down to watch it.
As long as it's not complete directionless garbage I'm happy to find the point to it.
Nov 22, 2023 2:26 PM
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I do end up dropping most of the low budget seasonals, but there are some exceptions: animation is important, but not the only thing that matters. For example, I enjoyed Hoshi no Samidare (5.64 anime adaptation of a 8.35 manga) more than Bleach, Demon Slayer, Jujutsu Kaisen and most of AoT.
@Nirinbo honestly incomprehensible that someone could finish watching the Biscuit Hammer adaptation lmao. it's garzey's wing-tier bad
Nov 22, 2023 2:29 PM
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By being more interested in the story, characters, and world building than in the animation. That being said, if an ACTION PACKED story has bad animation, this becomes tedious very quickly obviously; so shows with little action can pull that off relatively well, but don't go hoping that peoples will be able to enjoy a shounen battle with low budget animation. Detective story, SOL, romance, etc etc, there's lot of stories that do not really need good animation. Good animation is a plus, but its priority is fairly low compared to lots of other criteria.
@Zefyris low budget shows generally don't have good worldbuilding, because designing costumes, locales and props costs money.

Nov 22, 2023 2:39 PM

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It's because animation (and even the adjacent categories like art style) is just a low tier priority on my list when it comes to concerns and what I care about in anime. Obviously some level of animation needs to be present for it to even exist as a thing, but beyond that? It simply doesn't bother me much.

I care a lot more about, in this order:

1.) Writing
2.) Voice acting
3.) Music/OST
4.) Direction

Maybe even sound design I'd place higher. And only then after all those caring about the art and animation, and the latter even less so than the former.
Nov 22, 2023 2:41 PM
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force of will? What does low budget even mean? Even a low budget animation could be made well if they have good technique.

Nov 22, 2023 2:46 PM

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is there actually a reason i should care about the budget of a show before any other aspect?
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Nov 22, 2023 3:01 PM

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@Nirinbo honestly incomprehensible that someone could finish watching the Biscuit Hammer adaptation lmao. it's garzey's wing-tier bad
@Nyron It was so goddamn ugly that it cost it 5 or 6 points on my rating scale, but at least it wasn't boring and the writing was solid.
Nov 22, 2023 3:17 PM

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first of all its important to realize that anime is fundamentally low budget, by comparison to live action, the cost is but a fraction. Secondly, it might surprise you but most anime on that list have probably a similar sized budget. Budget is not the quality of its animation much more then it is scheduling, passion and talent in the studio. If you got a studio who uses its talents well, produces on a decent schedule, the product will be good. If it doesnt, then yea. Then lastly, yeah there is a bunch of shit shows coming out, just stop watching seasonally. The endless hypetrain of seasonal debates is so tiresome each year in and year out. What you can better do is just watch what you enjoy, Its not like Live action tv works the same right? its not like we go off the shitty shows that season? No we watch good shit like the Wire or Sopranos, we pick from the past because that has gone through the test of time and survived because of its excellence.
Nov 22, 2023 3:22 PM

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Because story and characters are more important than animation or art. Story and characters are the sole criteria for me for whether I watch something or not. Animation and art is a potential cherry on top, making it feel nicer but never ultimately the deciding factor. I'm not saying the other series I watch all have amazing story, but they may have an enjoyable one. And that is enough.
Nov 22, 2023 3:57 PM

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It's because animation (and even the adjacent categories like art style) is just a low tier priority on my list when it comes to concerns and what I care about in anime. Obviously some level of animation needs to be present for it to even exist as a thing, but beyond that? It simply doesn't bother me much.

I care a lot more about, in this order:

1.) Writing
2.) Voice acting
3.) Music/OST
4.) Direction

Maybe even sound design I'd place higher. And only then after all those caring about the art and animation, and the latter even less so than the former.
@WatchTillTandava hard agree. production value is largely separate from the other components of any given show. folks swear by things like battle for dream island, south park and various older anime despite how simple and janky their visuals are. if a writer really believes in their vision, they can get it across with any size budget, even if it's presentation suffers as a result. there'll always be people who disregard technical shortcomings so they can appreciate the thing for what it does well. shows that look bad but are great in other areas are often considered "hidden gems" because of this. my personal favorite example is undertale; toby fox cant draw for crap TO THIS DAY, but he still sat his butt down and put in the work to tell that game's story anyway, and now he's brushing elbows with nintendo. crazy!
Nov 22, 2023 4:04 PM

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@Zefyris low budget shows generally don't have good worldbuilding, because designing costumes, locales and props costs money.

@Nyron that.. Is not what world building means. Most low budget shows are adaptation too, so the anime budget is generally literally irrelevant to the world building quality...
Nov 22, 2023 4:17 PM

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Because animation is not the priority for all people personally I care more for the characters and the story animation is just a plus most of the time.Also low badget doesn't mean bad animation its how you use this budget and animation that matters the most
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Nov 22, 2023 4:21 PM
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Cheap doesn't always equate to poor writing, of course.

However, with that said: most studios putting in for low quality work are probably not putting in for decent talent as a whole.

Like, enjoyment, etc. are subjective, but I legit think some people will watch anything just because it's a genre they like so they don't really care what they are getting either way.
Nov 22, 2023 4:27 PM
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@Nyron that.. Is not what world building means. Most low budget shows are adaptation too, so the anime budget is generally literally irrelevant to the world building quality...
@Zefyris all the shows with your faves that feature good or complex worldbuilding (Planetes, Moribito, Mushishi, Made in Abyss) distinctly would've had a much harder time selling and exploring their worlds if they had the budget of Berserk of Gluttony, where all the monsters are generic goblins and all the locations are "AI generated castle or field". Even being adaptations, it's hard to show off a world without talented artists and animators
Nov 22, 2023 4:34 PM

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@Zefyris all the shows with your faves that feature good or complex worldbuilding (Planetes, Moribito, Mushishi, Made in Abyss) distinctly would've had a much harder time selling and exploring their worlds if they had the budget of Berserk of Gluttony, where all the monsters are generic goblins and all the locations are "AI generated castle or field". Even being adaptations, it's hard to show off a world without talented artists and animators
@Nyron Never saw that one but hearing you, that sounds like that's a problem with the source material rather than anything else... Besides, the anime serieswith the best world building among the 500+ I've seen are Kyoukaisenjou no Horizon, Spice & Wolf, and Bookworm. Out of them two aren't especially stellar in animation and the last one has pretty low budget for animation so...
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Nyron said:
Every season, like 90% of the shows that release have awful directing, art, and animation.
this season, you have shows like Frieren and Shangri-La Frontier, next to $5 budget series like Berserk of Gluttony and Taught a Dumb girl about Naughtiness. and i just have no fucking clue how you can watch one of the former and then see the latter without wanting to vomit. some of these series are legit like 22 mins of characters staring into space with their mouths moving.


Seems your issue is more with the production rather than the actual budget. Almost all Anime have around the same budgets to begin with if you actually get into breaking down how the money is distributed towards the staff who actually work on any given project.

You are throwing out names of franchises you seem to be disappointed with (each to their own) and don't really give examples of Franchises you can tolerate based on your premise. I can almost guarantee any Franchise you could name drop will have just about the same budget as any of the Anime titles you have listed above claiming to have $5 budgets.


Nov 22, 2023 5:07 PM
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Nyron said:
Every season, like 90% of the shows that release have awful directing, art, and animation.
this season, you have shows like Frieren and Shangri-La Frontier, next to $5 budget series like Berserk of Gluttony and Taught a Dumb girl about Naughtiness. and i just have no fucking clue how you can watch one of the former and then see the latter without wanting to vomit. some of these series are legit like 22 mins of characters staring into space with their mouths moving.


Seems your issue is more with the production rather than the actual budget. Almost all Anime have around the same budgets to begin with if you actually get into breaking down how the money is distributed towards the staff who actually work on any given project.

You are throwing out names of franchises you seem to be disappointed with (each to their own) and don't really give examples of Franchises you can tolerate based on your premise. I can almost guarantee any Franchise you could name drop will have just about the same budget as any of the Anime titles you have listed above claiming to have $5 budgets.
@ColourWheel tbh it's common terminology to use "budget" as interchangeable shorthand for "staff with talent, experience, and vision"
Nov 23, 2023 12:42 AM

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"How do people watch shows with really low budgets?"

Well, the high budget shows are (with very few exceptions like Undead Girl Murder Farce) usually some stupid battle shounen trash like Kimetsu no Yaiba and Jujutsu Kaisen. Those are almost unwatchable to me
Which leaves me hoping to find some decent mid budget shows, but occasionally there could be even some fine low budget titles if the artists working on those can handle minimalist styles.
Nov 23, 2023 12:43 AM
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It is better than it was 20 years ago.
Nov 23, 2023 1:03 AM

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It really depends, some might have good writing/be based on a manga/light novel which people liked but don't have a big budget anime adaptation.

For ones with bad writing, sometimes people just want to watch something silly/trashy and turn their brains off. I often watch one anime per season that doesn't necessarily have a deep plot or stellar art, but is just fun and silly.

And finally, occasionally you get something that is so god awful and terrible it actually becomes hilarious and is a blast to watch, those are pretty rare though.

The ones I don't really get are the whole slews of terrible looking Chinese "anime" that either look like a mid 2000's MMO or have about as much animation as a visual novel. But I do have a friend who reads manhua and says some of those are really good but then get these terrible adaptations. So I guess it's mostly fans of said manhua that watch those.
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I'm sure it helps having an active imagination when watching badly animated shows to fill in the gaps.
People definitely process watching anime differently. For me it's easy to just focus on the dialog and the audio while having the visuals only as an extra to highlight what's going on. But I also prefer reading novels over manga, maybe there's some overlap.
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Consider the “high budget” as a plus, then you can watch low budget ones. Even though, budget doesn't always equate with good quality of animation or direction, and specially writing.
Nov 23, 2023 6:29 AM

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Most of your favourite animes are technically low budget by today's standards. Were they not watchable for you?
Nov 23, 2023 10:51 AM

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If a show's well directed, cheap and/or limited animation is barely noticeable. There's a reason why, despite having been made on a shoestring budget, Revolutionary Girl Utena is still cited as being one of the best anime of all time to this day.
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Dec 1, 2023 1:58 PM
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Well, sometimes a good story just pulls you in. Like I enjoyed Sidonia no Kishi and the weird look made it stand out and fit the tone.

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