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| Great episode again. Sadly there's only three more episodes left. |
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Serafos said: Great episode again. Sadly there's only three more episodes left. At least there's another season coming |
| Nice episode, the Embryo Eve, with those teeth, looks very nasty when it ate the train. I hope Kuroe will be safe. The Walpurgis is coming... |
何それ？意味分かんない  |
Eve Teeth gonna give me nightmares. Kyouko being Kyouyo, stealing stuff and being called for it. Next Episodes are gonna be interesting. |
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| Aside from some awkwardly placed scenes and dialogue, this was a really good and interesting episode imho. Fun to see Kyouko still being a thief like she was in the original story lmfao. So basically the Magius are fighting fire with fire: they produced an artificial "super" Witch named "Eve" to oppose Walpurgisnacht, by feeding it loads of "homegrown" Witches to it. I wonder if the Doppel System and Doppel Syndrome played a part in their plans, whether directly or indirectly. |
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Ryuseishun said: So basically the Magius are fighting fire with fire: they produced an artificial "super" Witch named "Eve" to oppose Walpurgisnacht, by feeding it loads of "homegrown" Witches to it. I wonder if the Doppel System and Doppel Syndrome played a part in their plans, whether directly or indirectly. Doppel System is more like the result. The 'Eve of Awakening' refers both to the evening and 'Embryo Eve', and since releasing the 'Embryo Eve' will help them go Global with Doppel System, Iroha's guess is right. |
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| Great Episode, so they want to fuse arc 7-8-9 into one? Tsuruno finally became a uwasa of Ferris Wheel. It's nice to see Kyoko again, she is just herself this episode. Kuroe using doppel for Iroha sake is kinda sad and touching, i don't want her to die or be comatose in doppel state, she is great character and i want her to enter a KMU. Drunk Mifuyu was something unexpected,but interesting, now Sana and Felecia knows that Iroha was missing after museum battle. Yachiyo being super strong this ep defeating all witches and uwasa that Amane sisters throw to her and didn't even break a sweat plus get one of they maguis radio transmitter. There is nice cameo of Arc 2 characters which is quite surprise to see (Hagumu,Shigure) |
Doomsday770Aug 28, 2021 1:11 PM
| haha based Kyouko robbing Magius of their Grief Seeds. No~ Iroha don't believe Kuroe's lies, don't leave her behind with her dropping a line like "I'll catch up, it's a promise" ah damn Iroha left, too late rip. Hope they just ignore this cliche Deathflag Kuroe's Doppel looks cool like a like a Black Raven, even the Transformation looks cool with the Black Energy/Flames Kuroe is emitting. In episode 4 it was even better when she wanted to use her Doppel and they showed a close up shot of Kuroe's Face with her Expression and her Eyes glowing Purple/Blackish but Iroha stopping her mid transformation Also Kuroe's Doppel matches with Iroha's Doppel being Bird-like. Iroha didn't even know of this when she told Kuroe they would make great partners. Hope to see some nice action shots with Kuroe using her Doppel next episode, but they probably won't do me the favor.  |
DelusionalUzumeAug 28, 2021 1:05 PM
| just because I’ve gotten weaker, doesn’t mean that you got stronger, does it? |
| Walpurgis is coming... Kyoko being Kyoko. Nice to see her as well. It's time for Kuroe to have the spotlight for the next ep. That witch with that god creepy looking smile, creeped me out. My only complaint was the character designs that were dodgy in a few minutes during the ep. |
| Damm Tsuruno looks like she's gone off. Its quite amusing seeing Sana and Felicia just casually prepare food though. Its nice to see Kyoko again though. As suspected the Magius's plan was to spread their power worldwide. Their artificial witch though was huge. The manner of how Hotel faint hope can teleport at will sure was rather curious. Kuroe's doppel form sure was a unique one. Hopefully she's able to fight herself clear and reunite with Iroha. Overall an excellent ep that did an excellent job at showcasing the final plan that Magius had planned as well as showing the reactions of each of the girls to it in a most unique way. Curious to see what will happen next. |
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| So Embryo Eve was Annoying Orange all along. God damn I didn't expect those teeth. By the way, for anyone interested, the poem on the top left side at about 23:00 is the "Magic Formula" from Goethe's Faust, that describes a way to complete a magic square (purposefully ambiguous?).  Here's the English translation: I mean, Madoka Magica has Faust references/thematics all over it, but it's interesting to see it thrown in so openly every now and then. It's been some time since I'd read Faust, so I tried looking up what it originally meant in the drama: "Goethe’s famous drama Faust includes a witches’ scene where a witch is reciting a spell for minimizing Faust’s danger of death from a rejuvenating elixir." In that regard, I think it can be interpreted as a sort of allusion/metaphor to the Doppel Sytem, something about "overusing the Doppels possibly turning you into a witch"? Well, not sure if anything of what I just wrote is really correct, just thought I might share it. |
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| Pretty good build up to another epic battle next week? Kuroe looks ready to kick some ass and I am hoping that the Animation will be incredibly enjoyable again. You better return to Iroha Kuroe!! |
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| That real mouth was pretty lame. And really going with black wings again like Homura in Rebellion <_< Anyway, anyone know what this symbol on Iroha's fingernail is?  |
 Glad I'm not the only one |
MenchiK1 said: That real mouth was pretty lame. And really going with black wings again like Homura in Rebellion <_< Anyway, anyone know what this symbol on Iroha's fingernail is? It looks more like a black swan, if you get that she has an acrobat aesthetic. Iroha's mark is a ring |
| Man, those teeth from Embryo Eve is going to give me some nightmares for a while... >_< Aside from one or two weirdly paced scenes and transitions, this episode was a solid build-up towards the return of Walpurgisnacht. We see Tsuruno losing all hope very early on, which was a little sad. However, we do get to see Kyouko once more and she's as awesome as ever, with the way she dragged Felicia and Sana with her along with the bag of grief seeds that she stole. Typical Kyouko, but that's why I like her! =D Kuroe's determination on making sure that Iroha goes on ahead was admirable, even though she's throwing her own death flag too easily. Still, we got to see a small amount of lovely fluid animation from her as she transformed into her doppel form. I'm expecting the next episode to be pretty chaotic with the way the whole Magius plan is going. I hope for some wonderfully animated battles next time if it happens! |
Snowbodyknows said: MenchiK1 said: That real mouth was pretty lame. And really going with black wings again like Homura in Rebellion <_< Anyway, anyone know what this symbol on Iroha's fingernail is? It looks more like a black swan, if you get that she has an acrobat aesthetic. Iroha's mark is a ring Hmm must have missed this bit of lore along the way The rings here are their soul gems/ sign they are magical girls...they also have a mark on the nail of that finger, that mark is in the shape and color of their soul gem and it is true to lore, every magical girl has a similar mark of the same nature on the finger they wear their soul gem ring, that mark also disappears while the girl is transformed, since the soul gem is elsewhere in those times. |
Some weird Jon Snow energy :V |
| looks like Touka plans to feed Walpurgis Night to the Embryo Eve witch that Magius created. Things are becoming intense.. also hoping Kuroe surives. Her doppel with the black wings look like it can do some damage. looking forward to next week! :) |
Haha, really feeling this. I'm interested, but I don't think the explanations have hit in a way that you can reasonably logic through. Each revelation gets at best an "uhuh, sure, why not" reaction. It's an unfortunate contrast to the original where a lot of the big twists were there in plain sight. A soul gem has your soul. A magical girl is a young witch. Those had an impact that's lost in how convoluted this has gotten. |
MenchiK1 said: Snowbodyknows said: It looks more like a black swan, if you get that she has an acrobat aesthetic. Iroha's mark is a ring Hmm must have missed this bit of lore along the way The rings here are their soul gems/ sign they are magical girls...they also have a mark on the nail of that finger, that mark is in the shape and color of their soul gem and it is true to lore, every magical girl has a similar mark of the same nature on the finger they wear their soul gem ring, that mark also disappears while the girl is transformed, since the soul gem is elsewhere in those times. MenchiK1 said: Snowbodyknows said: It looks more like a black swan, if you get that she has an acrobat aesthetic. Iroha's mark is a ring Hmm must have missed this bit of lore along the way The rings here are their soul gems/ sign they are magical girls...they also have a mark on the nail of that finger, that mark is in the shape and color of their soul gem and it is true to lore, every magical girl has a similar mark of the same nature on the finger they wear their soul gem ring, that mark also disappears while the girl is transformed, since the soul gem is elsewhere in those times. The mark on her fingernail is shaped like a ring, just like the top emblem of her SG. |
Bio said: Haha, really feeling this. I'm interested, but I don't think the explanations have hit in a way that you can reasonably logic through. Each revelation gets at best an "uhuh, sure, why not" reaction. It's an unfortunate contrast to the original where a lot of the big twists were there in plain sight. A soul gem has your soul. A magical girl is a young witch. Those had an impact that's lost in how convoluted this has gotten. This episode was a real mess of information. The anime doesn't give a shit if the audience understands what the hell is going on or not. |
| "If someone says it's wrong to hope, I'll tell them they're wrong every single time." |
| 5 episodes in and I still don't know what the fuck is happening but it was a great episode. That damn Majo the Magius are making is creepy, especially with that big mouth. |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
| I'm starting to like Kuroe, but the death flag has been raised high. I'm not sure why she stayed behind though. They could've escaped together. The only reason I see is... well, her gem was tainted and they were out of grief seed? Or was she trying to prove something? If a "good friend" of Iroha dies due to Magius, I wonder how she's going to react. Will she forgive her "little sisters"? |
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metalmonstar said: Eve’s reveal I feel could have been better if we saw Eve before hearing about her from Touka. She probably wants to to find a solution so that no other girl ends up in the bottle. |
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| omg Walpurgis is coming! i wonder if that entity is related from the original? lolz! 5/5. |
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Ryoketsu said: Bio said: Haha, really feeling this. I'm interested, but I don't think the explanations have hit in a way that you can reasonably logic through. Each revelation gets at best an "uhuh, sure, why not" reaction. It's an unfortunate contrast to the original where a lot of the big twists were there in plain sight. A soul gem has your soul. A magical girl is a young witch. Those had an impact that's lost in how convoluted this has gotten. This episode was a real mess of information. The anime doesn't give a shit if the audience understands what the hell is going on or not. Yuu_Kanzaki said: 5 episodes in and I still don't know what the fuck is happening but it was a great episode. I see I'm not crazy for having no clue what the hell has been going on this entire time lmao. I'm definitely enjoying this season (a step up from the first) but good lord if I'm not completely lost as far as the plot is concerned. Heck even basic stuff like why Doppels exist in the first place I'm still unsure about, and that's carryover confusion from the first season. |
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Tabemonogatari said: Ryoketsu said: This episode was a real mess of information. The anime doesn't give a shit if the audience understands what the hell is going on or not. Yuu_Kanzaki said: 5 episodes in and I still don't know what the fuck is happening but it was a great episode. I see I'm not crazy for having no clue what the hell has been going on this entire time lmao. I'm definitely enjoying this season (a step up from the first) but good lord if I'm not completely lost as far as the plot is concerned. Heck even basic stuff like why Doppels exist in the first place I'm still unsure about, and that's carryover confusion from the first season. Right there with ya bud. |
Tabemonogatari said: Ryoketsu said: This episode was a real mess of information. The anime doesn't give a shit if the audience understands what the hell is going on or not. Yuu_Kanzaki said: 5 episodes in and I still don't know what the fuck is happening but it was a great episode. I see I'm not crazy for having no clue what the hell has been going on this entire time lmao. I'm definitely enjoying this season (a step up from the first) but good lord if I'm not completely lost as far as the plot is concerned. Heck even basic stuff like why Doppels exist in the first place I'm still unsure about, and that's carryover confusion from the first season. What questions do you have? Doppels exist as a means to prevent Magical Girls from turning into a witch should their soul gems turn black. |
| At this point it's getting really hard to follow what is going on tbh. Bye bye Kuroe-san though |
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metalmonstar said: Tabemonogatari said: I see I'm not crazy for having no clue what the hell has been going on this entire time lmao. I'm definitely enjoying this season (a step up from the first) but good lord if I'm not completely lost as far as the plot is concerned. Heck even basic stuff like why Doppels exist in the first place I'm still unsure about, and that's carryover confusion from the first season. What questions do you have? Doppels exist as a means to prevent Magical Girls from turning into a witch should their soul gems turn black. I get why they exist and their purpose, I just more so meant I don't get how they exist in the first place, along with why Kamihama City is special with concepts like that and Uwasa etc. seeing as a lot wasn't in the original series/Rebellion. Unless it's meant to be a mystery, but I've not gotten that impression at all, as it feels like it was just thrown at us as a concept that just is. |
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Tabemonogatari said: metalmonstar said: What questions do you have? Doppels exist as a means to prevent Magical Girls from turning into a witch should their soul gems turn black. I get why they exist and their purpose, I just more so meant I don't get how they exist in the first place, along with why Kamihama City is special with concepts like that and Uwasa etc. seeing as a lot wasn't in the original series/Rebellion. Unless it's meant to be a mystery, but I've not gotten that impression at all, as it feels like it was just thrown at us as a concept that just is. I think it is really a mystery But it is true that the show does not give this impression Maybe they need to explain other things before explain how doppels and rumors are created (or they did not see another way to tell their stories) For now, the explanations are with a lot of holes I see that the script was written by another person, maybe it is because of that that the pacing is worse than in previous episodes But imho, the scenes with characters saying that they don't understand show that the animators know perfectly what they are doing and they are keeping the confusion until the very end voluntary |
houloukSep 1, 2021 11:45 AM
Tabemonogatari said: metalmonstar said: What questions do you have? Doppels exist as a means to prevent Magical Girls from turning into a witch should their soul gems turn black. I get why they exist and their purpose, I just more so meant I don't get how they exist in the first place, along with why Kamihama City is special with concepts like that and Uwasa etc. seeing as a lot wasn't in the original series/Rebellion. Unless it's meant to be a mystery, but I've not gotten that impression at all, as it feels like it was just thrown at us as a concept that just is. As the other person stated it a lot of it is still a mystery as displayed by all the characters saying they don't know this episode. What we do know is 1. Touka created the doppel system. This has been stated this season and was stated at the end of last season. 2. It has something to do with Embryo Eve. That was stated this episode. As for the details it was left intentionally vague at least for now. 3. It only exists in Kamihama. This was inferred last season but outright stated this season. Touka mentions that the ultimate goal is to expand it worldwide. 4. This is likely due to the same reason Kyubey isn't able to enter Kamihama. This was seen in last season. As to the reason why one can only speculate. That is all the info so far. I think everyone can admit that this episode was incredibly dense with information but as far as the Doppel system goes itself it is mostly been small reveals each episode. |
| Pelo amor de tudo que é mais sagrado, parem de produzir animes de Madoka, já deu. |
| I don't understand anything :'(((( I at least prefer when we see the characters from the original anime like during episode 1 |
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