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tsubasaloverSep 4, 2021 10:55 AM
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False_Mirror said: This episode really looks unfinished. Weird cuts and transitions, overall quality, at some point even the voice acting did not coincide with the animation. It seems that this is the episode when a bad schedule caught up with the quality of production. I think their main forces are thrown at the two final episodes. But I still hope they will fix all the errors on BD. I mean this is nothing new for Studio Shaft. Same thing happened when the original Madoka aired in Japan. It will most likely be fixed for the BD release based on track record. |
| Nice buildup episode for the upcoming battle. That place looks pretty cool.  Cute teru teru bōzu. :3 |
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| that was really bad, they could show a recap today and fix this episode |
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| Thie episode had Monogatari level cuts. Anyways, the drop in quality was very visible, with some dialogues missing (maybe it was intentional?) I won't complain though, since it is likely to be fixed in bluray, and also, they need the budget for season finale, which would be Sakuga intensive. This episode was a set up for finale, and nothing much happens other than Mifuyu being a failure, and Magia Record cast meeting PMMM cast. We'll definitely see Iroha Madoka Connect, and It'll be interesting to see what kind of weapon they create together, since their powers are almost identical. |
salarxSep 4, 2021 10:43 AM
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| I liked the episode, but this was definitely a big dropoff in quality compared to the previous 5 episodes, which is quite a bummer. I think the staff was quite burnt out this time around making this one, which I think will be made up for with the final two episodes for this season. This isn't something unusual for Shaft and all their other shows (3 Gatsu no Lion being perhaps the lone exception). I remember the OG Madoka Magica TV version having a lot of awkward editing and cuts that had to be cleaned up in the BD and movie versions. |
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| I really disliked this episode. There were multiple good moments, but overall, it felt absolutely rushed. I mean, if you're going to end the previous episode on a "cliffhanger" on whether or not Kuroe was going to die, you can't just "skip" the fight like that. I like Season 2 a lot, but this episode was the weakest of all episodes, including S1. |
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| Kuroe went a bit overboard though but at least she brought Iroha time. Its good that Sana and Felicia manage to bring Mifuyu to her senses. Its nice to see Madoka's team finally arrive on scene as well. Outside though looks like the remaining magical girls are in a tough fight with the large numbers of hostiles about. As magical girls go Alina has to be the most laid back one. Funny how Magius HQ ended up turning into a fortress though. The meetup between Iroha with Madoka and her team though was a nice moment. But looks like both teams will have against their own friends in the upcoming fights. Overall a pretty action focused ep that did well to showcase the desperate attempt by Iroha and the remaining magical girls within the city to try and breach Magius HQ and stop the madness. Looks like things will get more intense in the last two ep's of this season judging from what we seen here. Though on a side note i did feel that some parts of the ep were kinda rushed especially the lack of Kuroe's fight scene and some odd scenes here and there. |
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| This was oof. They really should have delayed this episode. |
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| its the worst episodes of this season for sure, it wasn't terrible. but it had a good amount of problems. although it was also the least important episode story wise, so if they had to have lower production on a single episode, i'm glad it was this one. |
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| Quality was definitely a downgrade compared to the first five episodes, let's hope that they will have an amazing of a climax in the last two episodes. I am happy to see that Madoka and Iroha met face to face for the first time. Even Kyouko rejoined her former comrades. Mami feels like the end-boss here. |
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| The animation was terrible this episode! There were some mistakes we simply couldn't avoid looking x_x Other than that, it was good. Glad to see Madoka, Sayaka, Kyoko and Homura join the battle together with our Kamihama girls. The next episode is going to be though and I'm wondering how they will save both Mami and Tsuruno >_>; |
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| The episode was fine and all (it wasn't), leading up to the season's climax, but the sound and the editing department were all over the place. I know Shaft usually fixes these meduca meguca things for the BD release, but damn, it went beyond just meduca meguca. This was... a rough ride. |
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| Yeah this episode had some serious quality Issues, hope this was rock bottom and the final two episodes will be alright. Kuroe is already suffering from the Side effects of using her Doppel, which gave her an unpleasent experience to say the least Here i hoped to see Kuroe's Doppel in action but Kuroe just Off-screened the Magius Underlings Lmao. That is the fate of many mob enemies. Kinda expected them to handle the fight like this. Well, Kuroe fulfilled that part of her Promise to Iroha, now for the remainder and reunite with Iroha. Poor Homura knows it all with Walpurgisnacht and has Flashbacks of a previous timeline with Madoka dying. Iroha does another powerful Connect with Kyouko. Iroha is just universally very compatible with other Magical Girls. Some cute Moments when Homura stopped time to catch Madoka and Sayaka or when Kyouko raised her Hand to do a High Five with Iroha while being to embarrassed to look at Iroha  Finally the Gang is reunited... minus Mami... nevermind Mami shows up too. |
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| My reaction summary to this episode wow, did Kuroe just kill bunch of people? WTF is going on? Madoka cute wait, Mifuyu now hates Magius? WTF is going on? Kyouko cute WTF is going on? Also, the cuts/animation was terrible this episode. I guess they used all of their strength n the first 5 episodes. |
| Kuroe worked herself really hard at the start of her episode after using her doppel and the way it showed the side effects messing with her was rather disturbing. With help from Kyouko (her costume she was wearing was cute on her), Iroha was able to reunite with Yachiyo, along with Madoka, Sayaka and Homura. Now they'll have to deal with the arrival of Mami, as well as Tsuruno. While the story development here in this episode was good, the production values, sadly, was very underwhelming, even by Shaft's standards. A few sequences where the characters were talking and no voices were heard and we had a lot of still shots where a lot of action was heard. Even the subtitles was a bit buggy on two occasions as well. Minus the subtitles, I'm sure that Shaft will fix this episode for the Blu-Ray release, although if it was possible, delaying this episode by a week could've helped to fix some issues. What's done is done, so I hope the next 2 episodes make up for their sloppiness here. =( |
| things are getting intense. I wonder what Alina Gray is planning? Seems to be not really a bad person, because she saved Mifuyu. Iroha opening the door for Yachiyo. And I'm surprised Yachiyo has a driver's license. lol looking forward to next week! :) |
| The difference in production was something I noticed but it's always nice seeing the og cast in here. It's a bad sad that mami isn't able to be with the other four though |
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| haha! the main characters can easily steal the spotlight of this show! damn! of course Mami Tomoe sided with Magius! did we just saw Homura's flashback against Walpurgis ep11 of PMMM???!?!?!? damn just that scene was phenomenal! haha sorry i always mention the original! 5/5. |
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| I thought it would take longer for the production to break. I remember in the first season the first really bizarre episode in terms of editing and finishing was episode 10. In this second season, we got to the sixth and we already have a bug fest, with at least three scenes where the characters talk and the voices don't come out, abrupt cuts in the middle of the action to summarize events, moments where something should have been shown but was replaced by another random take, not to mention the buggy frames. This episode is a treat for the meme makers on duty. As for the story, that mess continues. For some reason, it seems that the Magius plan to save the magical girls involves using the witches to destroy the world and create a new world. Which makes it weird that the black and white feathers in the castle and park area are fighting the witches, but they're the ones who understand the plan, right? Then for some reason there's that Kanagi, who seems to lead a bunch of normal magical girls in the fight against witches, and the anime doesn't even bother to show more of her people at least trying to thwart the Magius plan, the action is all centered on the Yachiyo's group with the girls from Mitakihara. This episode has a lot of weird stuff. First, Kuroe defeating everyone behind the gate Iroha passed through. Looks like all the black and white feathers have suddenly turned into a bunch of wimps. How many magical girls were there? About ten? And none of them knew how to use the doppel, although that is the key to the Magius' "salvation" plan? By the way, this episode is full of black and white feathers being easily defeated. There are several of them in the sequence of the park and the resistance they offer to the protagonists is negligible. Another very strange thing is the gate itself. Those black and white feathers appeared to protect it as if there was something really important on the other side, as the path after it actually led to the open air. Iroha passed it, went up some stairs, out in the park and... it was still far away from Touka and Nemu. There's also Mifuyu's conversation with Sana and Felicia. Not even Yachiyo, her best friend, was able to convince her to go back and give up the Magius plan, which even resulted in them confronting each other more than once, but all it took was listening to two strangers for her to realize what a mess she was doing and switch sides. But the weirdest thing of all is without a doubt the witches' party that happened in this episode. It seems that the concept of labyrinths has finally been forgotten and now all witches manifest in the real world, just because. So what if the original series established that the only witch capable of manifesting itself outside a labyrinth is Walpurgis Night, because of its power? If we've already made so many concessions, it's not now that we're going to remember the rules of the original series. Magia Record is a real mess, in many ways. I'll keep watching just to see where this goes, because any optimistic expectations are gone. |
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Ryoketsu said: As for the story, that mess continues. For some reason, it seems that the Magius plan to save the magical girls involves using the witches to destroy the world and create a new world. Which makes it weird that the black and white feathers in the castle and park area are fighting the witches, but they're the ones who understand the plan, right? Then for some reason there's that Kanagi, who seems to lead a bunch of normal magical girls in the fight against witches, and the anime doesn't even bother to show more of her people at least trying to thwart the Magius plan, the action is all centered on the Yachiyo's group with the girls from Mitakihara. You're right, the animation was the worst in this episode. But there are some obvious misconceptions which I should point out. Yes the feathers are fighting witches, but not the way you see it. The witches are fodder for the bigger witch, and they are just restraining them. We don't know how much grasp Kanagi has of the situation, and we don't see these magical girls being aware of Magius' plan, so why do you think they should be involved in thwarting Magius' Plan? You tackle the problem you see, and all they see is many many witches. And we have seen enough witch fights and they aren't even major villains anymore. Girls from Mitakihara infiltrate HQ because they want to save Mami, and that's a setup from Season 1. Yachiyo wants to help Iroha, and that's a setup from 4th Episode. Ryoketsu said: This episode has a lot of weird stuff. First, Kuroe defeating everyone behind the gate Iroha passed through. Looks like all the black and white feathers have suddenly turned into a bunch of wimps. How many magical girls were there? About ten? And none of them knew how to use the doppel, although that is the key to the Magius' "salvation" plan? By the way, this episode is full of black and white feathers being easily defeated. Now this is interesting. The Doppel is not common skill, and yes not even among the Feathers. Doppels are completely unstable, and not a key to salvation (as pointed out by Mitama, the current Doppel system is temporary fix). Certain girls seems to be able to activate it (If you remember in last season when Kaede activates her Doppel for the first time, Momoko and Rena are knocked out too, but they didn't turn into Doppels). There could be two reason; either the girls Kuroe fought already had activated Doppels many times and they didn't want to risk getting Doppel Syndrome, or they couldn't call Doppels at all, or both of them. What Kuroe did was a suicide mission, and she did enough to make them unconscious. Ryoketsu said: Another very strange thing is the gate itself. Those black and white feathers appeared to protect it as if there was something really important on the other side, as the path after it actually led to the open air. Iroha passed it, went up some stairs, out in the park and... it was still far away from Touka and Nemu. You're forgetting something. The security was increased, and they needed to show their Magius Symbol for leaving. Since Kuroe's symbol was blacklisted, the alarm activated and a bunch of feathers came to stop them, there was nothing to protect outside, so feathers weren't protecting anything but stopping the traitors. Ryoketsu said: There's also Mifuyu's conversation with Sana and Felicia. Not even Yachiyo, her best friend, was able to convince her to go back and give up the Magius plan, which even resulted in them confronting each other more than once, but all it took was listening to two strangers for her to realize what a mess she was doing and switch sides. Sana and Felicia only gave the necessary push. Mifuyu, when she saw Tsuruno realized she's being deceived. And it wasn't only that. Earlier Iroha was also attacked and went missing, and Mifuyu was kept in the dark. Now Mifuyu doesn't care much about Iroha, but she cares about Tsuruno. So instead of being sad and drunk, she finally decided to save Tsuruno from this mess. Yachiyo's words have less weight anyway since she's Veteran and powerful. But Sana and Felicia are low tier magical girls and if they can show hope, it surely will motivate anyone to reconsider. Ryoketsu said: But the weirdest thing of all is without a doubt the witches' party that happened in this episode. It seems that the concept of labyrinths has finally been forgotten and now all witches manifest in the real world, just because. So what if the original series established that the only witch capable of manifesting itself outside a labyrinth is Walpurgis Night, because of its power? If we've already made so many concessions, it's not now that we're going to remember the rules of the original series. Someone is able to capture Witches in cubes, and the other is able to create Rumours which can do absolutely anything. And you're wondering Witches are roaming outside the labyrinth. Anyway, PMMM never says Witches cannot exist outside Labyrinths. They only do it so to trap the prey, so that it cannot leave. Walpurgisnacht is so powerful and affects such a large area, that it doesn't need a Labyrinth since people cannot run away. Other Witches can exist outside Labyrinths too, the only thing is they won't be able to survive that way (preys running away, magical girls seeing them easily, etc). |
salarxSep 6, 2021 9:53 AM
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houlouk said: What is said in the post credit scene of 5th episode is really similar to that however Besides, I didn't pay attention but in the same scene they said that walpurgisnight (if this is what they called the worst witch) will be attracted by rumors. what does that mean ? Maybe it's attracted by witch potential. Since the rumour is calling so many witches, it will end up attracting Walpurgisnacht. |
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It's the power of Nemu. She can say whatever and it will happen. She just has to say, "All the Witches shall gather in Chelation Land" and it'll happen. Maybe she doesn't have enough life force to do this so that why it's bound to Tsuruno to do the same. |
salarxSep 6, 2021 12:26 PM
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