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Apr 10, 2019 6:11 AM
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Astronomers have taken the first ever image of a black hole, which is located in a distant galaxy. It measures 40 billion km across - three million times the size of the Earth - and has been described by scientists as "a monster". The black hole is 500 million trillion km away and was photographed by a network of eight telescopes across the world. Details have been published today in Astrophysical Journal Letters. Prof Heino Falcke, of Radboud University in the Netherlands, who proposed the experiment, told BBC News that the black hole was found in a galaxy called M87. "What we see is larger than the size of our entire Solar System," he said. "It has a mass 6.5 billion times that of the Sun. And it is one of the heaviest black holes that we think exist. It is an absolute monster, the heavyweight champion of black holes in the Universe." https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47873592 amazing |
Apr 10, 2019 6:35 AM
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Whoa! Just remember....Black Holes were part of the Theory of General Relativity, Albert Einstein could NOT see this image in his time...there was very little understanding about how Space and Time worked. This is the power of science, and the men who were able to use their intellect to further our understanding of the universe and how we got here. This is why I respect it so much, science bitches, it works! |
Apr 10, 2019 8:04 AM
#3
Watched the livestream, an absolutely amazing achievement for mankind. Surprisingly it was similar to computer generated models which means we're on the right track and till now there's nothing to contradict Einstein's theory of relativity which is absolutely insane. To be honest though I'm sure the scientist were hoping for the opposite so that they could learn more but anyways there's lots of data to study. Description of the picture For those wondering about the picture, the gravity of the black hole makes the light bend and move in circles. Matter nearby gets pulled in and also starts rotating at speeds near the speed of light and releases lots of energy (which makes it easier for our telescopes to detect). One might wonder how we can take a picture of a black hole when it absorbs everything even light, well I don't know the intricacies but they formed it with the help of the shadow of the black hole that was created due to the rotating matter and light. Things look a bit brighter at the bottom, the scientist said it's due to Doppler's effect if I'm not mistaken. Also the black hole is rotating in the clockwise direction it seems. They still have to analyze the other data to determine about it's magnetism. As for what's beyond the event horizon? Who knows? Maybe some day within our lifetime we'll get the answer to that. How the picture was processed I don't know too much but I remember them saying the data from the network of telescopes was combined and synchronized with the help of atomic clocks. They had individual teams doing the same tasks and various iterations and compared the results. This was done to avoid any human bias. |
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Apr 10, 2019 9:06 AM
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That's pretty impressive! deg said: It measures 40 billion km across - three million times the size of the Earth - and has been described by scientists as "a monster". The black hole is 500 million trillion km away and was photographed by a network of eight telescopes across the world. ... "What we see is larger than the size of our entire Solar System," he said. "It has a mass 6.5 billion times that of the Sun. And it is one of the heaviest black holes that we think exist. It is an absolute monster, the heavyweight champion of black holes in the Universe. Holy shit, that's huge and dimensions I can't imagine in any way, but really stunning. |
Apr 10, 2019 11:00 AM
#5
this decade has been great for physics they gotten hard evidence of the higgs boson, gravitational waves, and now first image of a black hole hopefully the next decade will bring the much awaited technologies base on physics and thats quantum computers and nuclear fusion |
Apr 10, 2019 11:32 AM
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Just noticed you posted it before me :( damn you guys so fast. I would like it to be a triangle so the astronomers would jump off their seats and cry. |
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Apr 10, 2019 11:52 AM
#8
how is that impressive or stunning exactly looks like a photoshopped donut with a black background not exactly what i was expecting |
Apr 10, 2019 12:41 PM
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Apr 10, 2019 12:43 PM
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zzzeally said: how is that impressive or stunning exactly looks like a photoshopped donut with a black background not exactly what i was expecting what were you expecting, a razor-sharp, 4K quality image of a black hole 10 ^20 miles away? |
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Apr 10, 2019 1:49 PM
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I'm here wondering about the metaphysical implications. I don't think there's anything in space more fascinating than a black whole. Maybe because I'm a guy. Also, deg with the scoop again. Damn man. You should get a press hat on your name. |
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Apr 10, 2019 2:24 PM
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Apr 10, 2019 2:58 PM
#14
I don’t get it. If it’s a black hole, why is it orange? |
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Apr 10, 2019 3:03 PM
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urmumsfatarse said: I don’t get it. If it’s a black hole, why is it orange? Material, such as gas, dust and other stellar debris that has come close to a black hole but not quite fallen into it, forms a flattened band of spinning matter around the event horizon called the accretion disk (or disc) https://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_blackholes_event.html note that the info is slightly outdated, since now scientists have now seen the event horizon and the black hole. |
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Apr 10, 2019 3:16 PM
#16
This is so dope! Imagine what we'll be able to discover in the coming years! |
Apr 10, 2019 9:50 PM
#17
its sad that the reason I was made aware of this in the first place was because someone posted porn of it |
Apr 10, 2019 10:12 PM
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This was the rage the entire day. I am just sad that people like Hawking and Einstein didn't live to see the day of this great discovery |
Apr 10, 2019 10:36 PM
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Call me whatever you want but I literally see a heterosexual couple having sex in a missionary position. You can see their heads on the left as well as a woman's bright body (bottom) as she's wrapping her hands and legs around the guy on the top. The actual "hole" is the space between their bellies. I mean it looks very romantic, I don't want to break rule 6 or anything but this is literally the image that is posted. |
Apr 10, 2019 10:44 PM
#20
zzzeally said: how is that impressive or stunning exactly looks like a photoshopped donut with a black background not exactly what i was expecting Because we've been able to convert something which only existed as a mathematical concept into something physical that can be observed. Once we've converted something into a physical object instead of just some mathematics on a whiteboard it opens up the possibility for performing experimentation to learn more. It also helps us to confirm whether our current theories/model of the universe is correct or not. The singularity (center) of a black hole is also something that could hold the key to further our understanding of gravity. It could be the puzzle that unifies Einstein's theory of relativity that's based on classical physics and quantum mechanics , basically the theory of everything. That in turn will help us to further understand about the creation of the Universe (Big Bang theory and all that). It's not about how stunning the photo looks, it's the implications that follow by making this first step. Higher resolution photos will be possible in the future. urmumsfatarse said: I don’t get it. If it’s a black hole, why is it orange? DreamingBeats said: note that the info is slightly outdated, since now scientists have now seen the event horizon and the black hole. It's not actually orange. Here's the answer given by one of the scientist on the team from the askreddit thread. Also the orange thing around it is the matter and light getting pulled and rotated by the black hole. Question Why is the color of the light around the black hole orange rather than greyish or white and why isn't there a beam of light in the middle of the black hole caused by lights behavior around a black hole because of the gravitational pull, like in every representative photo of a black hole? Answer Good question! We assign colors (blue,green,red,...) to light in the visible spectrum, i.e. light with a wavelength between 380 and 740 nanometers. This is the only part of the electromagnetic spectrum that our eyes can actually see. Telescopes can see at many different wavelengths, depending on their design (radio waves for example). With the EHT, we observe at a wavelength of 1.3mm and we have to color code the emission based on their intensity somehow. For this image representation we use orange-reddish 'false colors' to represent the intensities across the image. It depends on the orientation of the source if we can see some emission in front of the black hole. For the face-on accretion disk, we can clearly see the central shadow without any emission in front. So it's not actually orange, the emitted wavelengths that our telescopes detected are not actually visible to the human eye. |
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Apr 10, 2019 10:45 PM
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Nightmare21st said: This was the rage the entire day. I am just sad that people like Hawking and Einstein didn't live to see the day of this great discovery True. A year after Hawking had passed :( |
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Apr 10, 2019 11:07 PM
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DreamingBeats said: zzzeally said: how is that impressive or stunning exactly looks like a photoshopped donut with a black background not exactly what i was expecting what were you expecting, a razor-sharp, 4K quality image of a black hole 10 ^20 miles away? There actually is a 4K resolution tif image that they posted. I downloaded it but maybe due to high loads they removed it and replaced it with a low resolution jpg image. Someone hosted a mirror of the full image here. File size is 183 MB. Also even with a 4K resolution it's obviously still not clear considering the size of the object. We'd need a much much higher resolution photo. The scientist gathered 4.5 petabytes of data in total so I guess they have an even higher resolution photo than the 4K that they released to the public. |
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Apr 11, 2019 6:39 AM
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@-InfiniteLoop- nice that you are giving good reasons for this especially about how big of a deal this is since it just physically confirm something that was only speculated through math |
Apr 11, 2019 8:01 AM
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I'm not sure if this is actually proof or not since there are several competing theories against black holes and I am not familiar enough to know if any of them would look like that. Yeah it looks like how black holes had been imagined but it's hard to interpret this image. |
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Apr 11, 2019 1:49 PM
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I'm glad that they somehow proved what was once just a theory, so it was really exciting news. It was almost everywhere on reddit. Also, there are some disgusting comments in this thread. |
Apr 11, 2019 3:22 PM
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Emerald_Winter said: I'm glad that they somehow proved what was once just a theory, so it was really exciting news. It was almost everywhere on reddit. Also, there are some disgusting comments in this thread. Remember, a Scientific “theory” is not the same as any ordinary theory. Scientific Theories have a great deal of Facts in order to even be proposed. For example, the “theory” of Evolution is one with a lot of facts and peer-reviewed research, observation, and testing. General Relativity will continue to be a Scientific Theory, science doesn’t really label things as “scientific fact” because it is ever changing. But yeah, black holes were something NO ONE had ever seen, no one truly knows how they fully function, and yet, thanks to the countless research of great men like Einstein and Hawkings among many others of course, this image is validation in many ways. It’s actually a pretty big accomplishment. |
Apr 11, 2019 3:41 PM
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I feel like I'm the only one who finds the image absolutely terrifying. |
Apr 11, 2019 3:52 PM
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--ALEX-- said: Emerald_Winter said: I'm glad that they somehow proved what was once just a theory, so it was really exciting news. It was almost everywhere on reddit. Also, there are some disgusting comments in this thread. Remember, a Scientific “theory” is not the same as any ordinary theory. Scientific Theories have a great deal of Facts in order to even be proposed. For example, the “theory” of Evolution is one with a lot of facts and peer-reviewed research, observation, and testing. General Relativity will continue to be a Scientific Theory, science doesn’t really label things as “scientific fact” because it is ever changing. But yeah, black holes were something NO ONE had ever seen, no one truly knows how they fully function, and yet, thanks to the countless research of great men like Einstein and Hawkings among many others of course, this image is validation in many ways. It’s actually a pretty big accomplishment. Yeah that's exactly what I implied; confirming something that could not be seen and which was predicted through Enstein's general relativity. it is indeed a big accomplishment. |
Apr 11, 2019 4:42 PM
#29
yes yes you are. its time |
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Apr 11, 2019 4:46 PM
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foscor70 said: looks tasty,I want to fuck it. What they said ^ Now I'm hungry. |
Apr 11, 2019 4:54 PM
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urmumsfatarse said: I don’t get it. If it’s a black hole, why is it orange? Top ten questions science still cannot answer. |
Apr 11, 2019 5:10 PM
#33
Optigisa said: urmumsfatarse said: I don’t get it. If it’s a black hole, why is it orange? Top ten questions science still cannot answer. black holes are the remains of dead stars so the outer ring is probably the gas and heat being pulled into the black hole. |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Apr 11, 2019 5:13 PM
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hazarddex said: Optigisa said: urmumsfatarse said: I don’t get it. If it’s a black hole, why is it orange? Top ten questions science still cannot answer. black holes are the remains of dead stars so the outer ring is probably the gas and heat being pulled into the black hole. It was just a meme, calm down -_- |
Apr 12, 2019 5:05 AM
#35
149597871 said: Call me whatever you want but I literally see a heterosexual couple having sex in a missionary position. You can see their heads on the left as well as a woman's bright body (bottom) as she's wrapping her hands and legs around the guy on the top. The actual "hole" is the space between their bellies. I mean it looks very romantic, I don't want to break rule 6 or anything but this is literally the image that is posted. W-What? Unless your eating shrooms right now I don't see how you saw that. I mean I kinda see what you mean but I don't fully see the details you described. |
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Apr 12, 2019 6:02 AM
#36
traed said: 149597871 said: Call me whatever you want but I literally see a heterosexual couple having sex in a missionary position. You can see their heads on the left as well as a woman's bright body (bottom) as she's wrapping her hands and legs around the guy on the top. The actual "hole" is the space between their bellies. I mean it looks very romantic, I don't want to break rule 6 or anything but this is literally the image that is posted. W-What? Unless your eating shrooms right now I don't see how you saw that. I mean I kinda see what you mean but I don't fully see the details you described. It looks like a censored pornography image. Similar technique was used in some music videos that featured sexual images in order to make them suitable for major platforms such as youtube. Ask the average person what this is and I'm sure you get more answers leading to a sexual activity than an actual black hole in space. I'm not saying that the image is fake or anything just pointing out the fact that it looks like what I've described. Also inbox. |
149597871Apr 12, 2019 6:12 AM
Apr 12, 2019 6:32 AM
#37
bit rude of those scientists to call it a 'monster'. it'll get all insecure now. |
AnimeFreak-San said: is this a male gender issure...human issue...mental illness perhaps? |
Apr 12, 2019 4:42 PM
#38
Some editor of CNN gonna see that and it'll blow his mind. |
Apr 12, 2019 8:33 PM
#39
i thought we alredy had photographs of Sagittarius A you know Milky Ways own supermasive Black Hole (even though its a thousand times smaller than the one from the new photo) |
silversaintApr 12, 2019 8:36 PM
Apr 13, 2019 4:43 AM
#40
youtube recommended me this video the computer scientist that made the algorithm (or machine learning or AI) that made it possible to capture the black hole image |
Apr 13, 2019 5:32 AM
#41
deg said: youtube recommended me this video the computer scientist that made the algorithm (or machine learning or AI) that made it possible to capture the black hole image she was one in a team of like 200 ppls from 40 countries wasn't the leading author of the publication, was responsible for like only 2.4k lines of code in the program that was about 68k lines of code long and most importantly, she just applied an algorithm that was invented 2 years earlier by a japanese person; Mareki Honma https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/04/13/national/science-health/japanese-scientists-play-role-capturing-first-photo-black-hole/ https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190411/p2g/00m/0fe/083000c While this is a cool achievement that definitely deserves credit. Got to give credit to whole team rather than the single person the mainstream media & social media arbitrarily decided to focus on. "No one algorithm or person made this image" - Katie Bouman |
Apr 13, 2019 5:43 AM
#42
Salvatia said: deg said: youtube recommended me this video the computer scientist that made the algorithm (or machine learning or AI) that made it possible to capture the black hole image she was one in a team of like 200 ppls from 40 countries wasn't the leading author of the publication, was responsible for like only 2.4k lines of code in the program that was about 68k lines of code long and most importantly, she just applied an algorithm that was invented 2 years earlier by a japanese person; Mareki Honma https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/04/13/national/science-health/japanese-scientists-play-role-capturing-first-photo-black-hole/ https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20190411/p2g/00m/0fe/083000c While this is a cool achievement that definitely deserves credit. Got to give credit to whole team rather than the single person the mainstream media & social media arbitrarily decided to focus on. "No one algorithm or person made this image" - Katie Bouman ok good point, and i did not know about her until youtube recommended that video to me EDIT: lol ok im aware of whats happening now https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/13/18308652/katie-bouman-black-hole-science-internet |
degApr 13, 2019 6:09 AM
Apr 13, 2019 6:38 PM
#43
its beautiful, i want to throw myself down it |
Apr 15, 2019 2:25 PM
#45
Now that's really terrifying. |
Apr 18, 2019 3:43 PM
#46
The term "black hole" is an oxymoron in a way. Think about it. |
Life Is Short But Intense. |
Apr 18, 2019 8:34 PM
#47
zrdb said: The term "black hole" is an oxymoron in a way. Think about it. Suck Hole is more correct term, but you know... |
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