SpadesofAce said: Lelouch and Light are indeed manipulative military strategic geniuses. But so is Yoshino from Zetsuen no Tempest and the twins from NGNL Wooo *(^o^)/* Zetsuen no Tempest and NGNL I think the twins are slightly less since without each other they're not functional. mpjbjtod said: Hikigaya Hachiman is also smart in many ways of life. π Hachiman was very self-aware and philosophical. I wouldn't say he's the smartest since he inaccurately assumes others' emotions. |
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| Haven't seen that many in particular, genius protaganists, so I'll have to say Shirou from Log Horizon lol. |
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| Tatsuya probably, his intellect is basically super human. |
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Hana_Poko said: SpadesofAce said: Lelouch and Light are indeed manipulative military strategic geniuses. But so is Yoshino from Zetsuen no Tempest and the twins from NGNL Wooo *\(^o^)/* Zetsuen no Tempest and NGNL I think the twins are slightly less since without each other they're not functional. You have a good point lol Jersie said: Haven't seen that many in particular, genius protaganists, so I'll have to say Shirou from Log Horizon lol. That's a good one. |
| Eirin Yagokoro shes called the brain of the moon for a reason. she literally made a drug that permanently stops death. raised an entire civilization out of the dirt. oh wait protagonist >_> then Fran Madaraki wait... damn it shes only in a manga ;_; then i would go with Sora and shiro from no game no life or Tsunemori, Akane and Kougami, Shinya from psycho pass |
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Gintokikachi said: Kars isn't protagonist. nymi said: Remember when Kars was said to be 400 IQ? What happened to that?Obligatory death note and code geass main characters answer. If it's not limited to protagonist, then I can list many omniscient/nigh-omniscients (Akasha of Type-Moon, Mercurius, etc) |
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You said: I know, I was just mentioning Kars because nymi watch/read Jojo xD Gintokikachi said: Kars isn't protagonist. Remember when Kars was said to be 400 IQ? What happened to that? If it's not limited to protagonist, then I can list many omniscient/nigh-omniscients (Akasha of Type-Moon, Mercurius, etc) |
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| Natsuki Subaru Its kinda obvious Light Yagami is the smartest. |
i disagree i think he was foolish. literally chose to destroy his soul robbing himself of the afterlife just to kill people. not to mention his entire hypocritical ideals |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: I believe anyone who can outsmart L is a genius, I never liked Light but there's no denying he's just a pure geniusi disagree i think he was foolish. literally chose to destroy his soul robbing himself of the afterlife just to kill people. not to mention his entire hypocritical ideals |
Pyxus said: hazarddex said: I believe anyone who can outsmart L is a genius, I never liked Light but there's no denying he's just a pure geniusi disagree i think he was foolish. literally chose to destroy his soul robbing himself of the afterlife just to kill people. not to mention his entire hypocritical ideals personally i feel the only reason he out smarted L was because the plot need light alive. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| There's different kinds of smart, and smart reaches different levels in different universes, so one could be the smartest character in the world in one show, even if the average character in a super OP show is much "smarter". There's no way to compare. |
| None >Wasting time over a piece of cardboard Such a low IQ peasant like you won't even to compare of |
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| Sadly, not many people know Allison & Lillia, but I do and I should give a shout-out to Wilhelm Schultz. You don't think much of him at first, and he certainly doesn't have anything in the way of magical abilities, fancy moves, or anysuch, but it turns out he's very, very perceptive, and this ability shines brightly in some key moments in the story. |
| Avatar character is Gabriel from Gabriel DropOut. |
| Dude, obviously it's Keiichirou from Ghost Stories. Who the fuck else would it be? |
| Oreki Houtarou, in my opinion. Solving a mystery from the early 1960s and figuring out a writer's ideology is not something that many can do, and I doubt characters like Light, L, Lelouch and Hachiman can do that as skillfully as Oreki pulled off. When he touches his hair, you know something is about to go down... |
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| Everyone throws around some lightweights like Light and Lelouch. Ya'll need to expand your horizons more. Some main characters are omniscience or near omniscience, meaning they know all or nearly all about the entire universe which can include multiverses. You have characters like Homura and lain that is nigh omniscient You have Accelerator (was main character in Index II) who has almost infinite calculation prowess with his wings. Filthy Casuals. |
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PeripheralVision said: Are we talking a well written, intelligent protagonist, whose show of intelligence are not merely plot conveniences and hearsay, but understandably ingenious tactics? ...Can't think of any, at the moment. There is quite a bunch of humanly intelligent protagonists who are well-written. From the video game nerd Kirito from SAO who is frequently brought down because he is an impulsive teenager, to the sly and worldly duo Wolf and Spice, to economics nerd Demon King from Maoyuu who spent hundreds of years studying before she could even begin her master plan to remake the world to her own liking. Personally, I think Shiroe from Log Horizon is the best of them. Whether it's thinking outside the box, making cunning scams or inspiring others to apply themselves, he is very well-rounded and believable. TheHonestThief said: nymi said: Obligatory death note and code geass main characters answer. Pretty much this. OP, there are a solid amount of reallyyyyyy smart anime protagonists, but just stick with Light as the answer. He lacks the "bull-shit" factor more than most. Light isn't all that smart, you know. He just has a huge advantage with that Death Note of his. But he keeps falling for L's provocations, and the only reason L didn't figure him out is because he was given an extra chance to live by that shinigami. PeripheralVision said: SanOro said: Yang wen-li Lohengramm Reinhard Oberstein ...........Basically every "legend of the galactic heroes" character ever That is my first thought, to be honest. I dislike Johan Liebert being considered "intelligent" because we never see what he does, but only the results of his actions. That is not intelligent writing to me, because the tactics aren't shown, and anyone can write this or that using that exact method. "Oh, he manipulated said woman into committing suicide* Yeah, but how? What did he say, what did he do? Manipulated a woman into committing suicide? Feh! Tgurneu from Rokka no Yuusha talked an entire village into becoming slaves for demons. In a single day. We have no idea how he did it, but it does seem within his ability from the other cases where he is shown. He is a villainous mastermind, not a protagonist, though. KuroudoAkabane said: that dumb bitch from haruhi asahina mikuru or that other rodo girl are inhumanly intelligent. are they the protag? is anyone in that show a protag? doesn god himself count as protag even if he is the main char and his actions are more like the Main reason everything's shit and is actually the villians and therefore the antagonist of the whole universe! Why do you think Asahina Mikuru is inhumanly intelligent? Even her older version doesn't seem that clever. Sure, Nagato Yuki is inhumanly intelligent (in the same way a computer is), and Suzumiya Haruhi gets perfect marks (but she is the main villain of the series). |
| Blank, Lelouch (tho' very predictable from viewer point), and Light/L depending on who you consider protagonist. Besides the most popular and well known ones: Onii-sama Nagain Kei 9 (and 12) and maybe Kusanagi sidenote: I heard that Ghost Stories has a guy who is like a know-all-do-all category |
| Probably Makise Kurisu, she is a prodigy |
| Hikaru Shindou from hikaru no Go @PeripheralVision monster: with |
SnufkinNov 5, 2017 5:57 AM
| Shikamaru Nara and lmao people say Light Yagami is the smartest. |
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neon-kun said: Light Yagami and Conan Edogawa, for sure. Lelouch? No. Everyone around him were just dumb, and writers wanted to make him look smart with a plethora of plot conveniences. You can say that with any anime or manga. It's all written or produced by someone who makes the character look smart. That logic is flawed and the same goes with Light during that awful 2nd half. As much as I like Detective Conan, he asspulls himself through a lot of cases too. |
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| If Lelouch is the smartest anime MC, anime is an even bigger mistake than I thought. |
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flannan said: Light isn't all that smart, you know. He just has a huge advantage with that Death Note of his. But he keeps falling for L's provocations, and the only reason L didn't figure him out is because he was given an extra chance to live by that shinigami. People always seem to forget that Light intentionally opted into the battle with L. L was great at working from behind, but Light wanted to kill L. Provocations are part of it, but it wasn't like Light was dancing to his tune the entire time. |
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Isterio said: None, because Anime&Manga characters are never written by actual genuises with exceptional IQ they are never authentic. I think this logic is flawed. Acording your statement characters cannot be an assassin because the writer was never one, same as a pirate or a hero in some fantasy land. OT: Blank, Lelouch, Light and L are the obvious answers. But Oreki was also pretty smart within his universe. But I was surprised that Index wasn't listed since she has 103,000 magical texts imlanted in her mind. Altough the anime doesn't shows her stated knowledge really. |
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flannan said: PeripheralVision said: Are we talking a well written, intelligent protagonist, whose show of intelligence are not merely plot conveniences and hearsay, but understandably ingenious tactics? ...Can't think of any, at the moment. There is quite a bunch of humanly intelligent protagonists who are well-written. From the video game nerd Kirito from SAO who is frequently brought down because he is an impulsive teenager, to the sly and worldly duo Wolf and Spice, to economics nerd Demon King from Maoyuu who spent hundreds of years studying before she could even begin her master plan to remake the world to her own liking. Personally, I think Shiroe from Log Horizon is the best of them. Whether it's thinking outside the box, making cunning scams or inspiring others to apply themselves, he is very well-rounded and believable. TheHonestThief said: Pretty much this. OP, there are a solid amount of reallyyyyyy smart anime protagonists, but just stick with Light as the answer. He lacks the "bull-shit" factor more than most. Light isn't all that smart, you know. He just has a huge advantage with that Death Note of his. But he keeps falling for L's provocations, and the only reason L didn't figure him out is because he was given an extra chance to live by that shinigami. PeripheralVision said: That is my first thought, to be honest. I dislike Johan Liebert being considered "intelligent" because we never see what he does, but only the results of his actions. That is not intelligent writing to me, because the tactics aren't shown, and anyone can write this or that using that exact method. "Oh, he manipulated said woman into committing suicide* Yeah, but how? What did he say, what did he do? Manipulated a woman into committing suicide? Feh! Tgurneu from Rokka no Yuusha talked an entire village into becoming slaves for demons. In a single day. We have no idea how he did it, but it does seem within his ability from the other cases where he is shown. He is a villainous mastermind, not a protagonist, though. KuroudoAkabane said: that dumb bitch from haruhi asahina mikuru or that other rodo girl are inhumanly intelligent. are they the protag? is anyone in that show a protag? doesn god himself count as protag even if he is the main char and his actions are more like the Main reason everything's shit and is actually the villians and therefore the antagonist of the whole universe! Why do you think Asahina Mikuru is inhumanly intelligent? Even her older version doesn't seem that clever. Sure, Nagato Yuki is inhumanly intelligent (in the same way a computer is), and Suzumiya Haruhi gets perfect marks (but she is the main villain of the series). Literally anyone can write the aftermath of an event that would require cunning and intelligence to cause, it is making a believable method in the first place. Keeping it offscreen is a way for the author to write it without actually putting any thought in it, and I generally call this lazy if the anime truly wants to focus on it. It is no different than stating a character has an IQ of 1000. It is all inferred ability, not actually shown. Ah, I see. I was more or less referring to the library arson incident with the female pouring the gasoline, but Richard Braun is a great example now that I remember, I suppose. I suppose the corrupt detective earlier may have gotten a retrospective one (The one who help kill Nina's adopted parents), but not quite sure. |
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aliquae said: Isterio said: None, because Anime&Manga characters are never written by actual genuises with exceptional IQ they are never authentic. I think this logic is flawed. Acording your statement characters cannot be an assassin because the writer was never one, same as a pirate or a hero in some fantasy land. OT: Blank, Lelouch, Light and L are the obvious answers. But Oreki was also pretty smart within his universe. But I was surprised that Index wasn't listed since she has 103,000 magical texts imlanted in her mind. Altough the anime doesn't shows her stated knowledge really. I think he stated something along what I have stated, depending on the interpretation of the thread. I abide by the adage "A writer cannot write a character smarter than himself". By that, I would argue that any show of intelligence of a fictional character have to be thought of by the author in the first place, seeing as how said character doesn't exist. Essentially, one has to understand the intricacies of their intelligence in whatever situation, similar to how an engineer can write an incredibly in-depth look into engineering in his work. As an engineer, he would have to be sufficiently knowledgeable in whatever field he works in. One can state a character has an IQ of 200, comes from MIT, and builds interstellar transportation. It is another to show that intelligence in work. No, I am not referring to the scientific discovery of a transporter, but things such as deductive reasoning based on both assumptions and incredible observation, gamblers who don't depend on luck, but rather make do, characters who can make great decisions in battle tactics instead of using a super prototype to destroy whole fleets. A great thing for me is to limit the assumptions an intelligent character will act on in some cases. |
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| The protagonists of the Legend of The Galactic Heroes are the smartest in a real definition of smart. There is the bookworm smart (Yang) The prideful smart (Reinhard) The behind-the-scenes smart (Rubinsky) and many others... heck, even Truhnit is a very smart guy for the job he does They plan their things beforehand, they scheme and they blew up a lot of times due to consequences they couldn't predict. Everyone has strengths and weakness on their way of thinking. The protagonists have one of the weakest plot shields of anime. |
AdrianRubinskyNov 6, 2017 5:53 AM
PeripheralVision said: flannan said: There is quite a bunch of humanly intelligent protagonists who are well-written. From the video game nerd Kirito from SAO who is frequently brought down because he is an impulsive teenager, to the sly and worldly duo Wolf and Spice, to economics nerd Demon King from Maoyuu who spent hundreds of years studying before she could even begin her master plan to remake the world to her own liking. Personally, I think Shiroe from Log Horizon is the best of them. Whether it's thinking outside the box, making cunning scams or inspiring others to apply themselves, he is very well-rounded and believable. Manipulated a woman into committing suicide? Feh! Tgurneu from Rokka no Yuusha talked an entire village into becoming slaves for demons. In a single day. We have no idea how he did it, but it does seem within his ability from the other cases where he is shown. He is a villainous mastermind, not a protagonist, though. Literally anyone can write the aftermath of an event that would require cunning and intelligence to cause, it is making a believable method in the first place. Keeping it offscreen is a way for the author to write it without actually putting any thought in it, and I generally call this lazy if the anime truly wants to focus on it. It is no different than stating a character has an IQ of 1000. It is all inferred ability, not actually shown. Indeed. That's why I compared one off-screen feat of manipulation with another. The people in my answer to your first post did clever things where we were able to see them, though. PeripheralVision said: aliquae said: I think this logic is flawed. Acording your statement characters cannot be an assassin because the writer was never one, same as a pirate or a hero in some fantasy land. OT: Blank, Lelouch, Light and L are the obvious answers. But Oreki was also pretty smart within his universe. But I was surprised that Index wasn't listed since she has 103,000 magical texts imlanted in her mind. Altough the anime doesn't shows her stated knowledge really. I think he stated something along what I have stated, depending on the interpretation of the thread. I abide by the adage "A writer cannot write a character smarter than himself". By that, I would argue that any show of intelligence of a fictional character have to be thought of by the author in the first place, seeing as how said character doesn't exist. Essentially, one has to understand the intricacies of their intelligence in whatever situation, similar to how an engineer can write an incredibly in-depth look into engineering in his work. As an engineer, he would have to be sufficiently knowledgeable in whatever field he works in. One can state a character has an IQ of 200, comes from MIT, and builds interstellar transportation. It is another to show that intelligence in work. No, I am not referring to the scientific discovery of a transporter, but things such as deductive reasoning based on both assumptions and incredible observation, gamblers who don't depend on luck, but rather make do, characters who can make great decisions in battle tactics instead of using a super prototype to destroy whole fleets. A great thing for me is to limit the assumptions an intelligent character will act on in some cases. I disagree that the author has to be as clever as his characters. An author can think comfortably in his chair while drinking coffee in a timespan of a week, while his characters are fighting for their lives with a mind-numbing horror in a timespan of a few minutes. With sufficient research, borrowing the knowledge and wisdom of people who thought about the things before, and glossing over minor details that boggle down real life, the author can achieve a lot. Whether it's inventing gunpowder or building a Dyson Sphere, you can just look it up on the net nowadays. |
flannanNov 6, 2017 6:00 AM
| Maybe he's not the smartest of all, but Yang-Wenli is probably the greatest military mind I have seen in anime. |
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PeripheralVision said: flannan said: There is quite a bunch of humanly intelligent protagonists who are well-written. From the video game nerd Kirito from SAO who is frequently brought down because he is an impulsive teenager, to the sly and worldly duo Wolf and Spice, to economics nerd Demon King from Maoyuu who spent hundreds of years studying before she could even begin her master plan to remake the world to her own liking. Personally, I think Shiroe from Log Horizon is the best of them. Whether it's thinking outside the box, making cunning scams or inspiring others to apply themselves, he is very well-rounded and believable. Light isn't all that smart, you know. He just has a huge advantage with that Death Note of his. But he keeps falling for L's provocations, and the only reason L didn't figure him out is because he was given an extra chance to live by that shinigami. Manipulated a woman into committing suicide? Feh! Tgurneu from Rokka no Yuusha talked an entire village into becoming slaves for demons. In a single day. We have no idea how he did it, but it does seem within his ability from the other cases where he is shown. He is a villainous mastermind, not a protagonist, though. Why do you think Asahina Mikuru is inhumanly intelligent? Even her older version doesn't seem that clever. Sure, Nagato Yuki is inhumanly intelligent (in the same way a computer is), and Suzumiya Haruhi gets perfect marks (but she is the main villain of the series). Literally anyone can write the aftermath of an event that would require cunning and intelligence to cause, it is making a believable method in the first place. Keeping it offscreen is a way for the author to write it without actually putting any thought in it, and I generally call this lazy if the anime truly wants to focus on it. It is no different than stating a character has an IQ of 1000. It is all inferred ability, not actually shown. Ah, I see. I was more or less referring to the library arson incident with the female pouring the gasoline, but Richard Braun is a great example now that I remember, I suppose. I suppose the corrupt detective earlier may have gotten a retrospective one (The one who help kill Nina's adopted parents), but not quite sure. Hikaru no Go is an exception to this since the way they show inteligence in that show is through a board game, and to create the matches a lot of old games were referenced and several (semi-)pro go players looked at/helped create the matches. And all matches in that show can be actually played (there's videos of it on YT). |
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