| First of all, I dislike labels....but I feel like it's unavoidable on this political climate. I believe the "Sane Left" are those that reject the nonsense from the radical Left (SJWs, Feminists, Antifa, and Marxists) but still hold core liberal principles and are also against the nonsense from the Right. Or maybe there should just be a union of sane individuals from BOTH sides who can come together and properly reject all of this garbage. Anyways, thoughts? |
| We're just the left. SJWs and liberals generally don't have leftist economic policies. |
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| Liberals...I believe the word you are looking for is Liberals. |
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| I like "shitlibs". It communicates the complete lack of conviction and willingness to just go along with the dominant ideology of the day. |
| A lot of SJWs call themselves "liberal"... And that's when people started using the "Classic Liberal" label to distinguish themselves from the OTHER "liberal"... But then I see people like Dave Ruben and Sargon of Akkad call themselves "Classic Liberal" and I start to laugh, because these motherfuckers have moved very much towards the Right and all they do is bash SJWs and don't ever say anything about the Bullshit the Right does... I don't know... Personally, I believe in Freedom of Speech, I believe in core Liberal Principles, but I reject the Right because of their authoritarian style. I reject BOTH fascism and Marxism. I literally hate feminazis. And the Alt-right are 100% racist pieces of shit. I don't know where I belong. |
Altairius said: Not having extremist views doesn't equate to a lack of convictionI like "shitlibs". It communicates the complete lack of conviction and willingness to just go along with the dominant ideology of the day. |
| You should call yourselves nazis. |
--ALEX-- said: A lot of SJWs call themselves "liberal"... And that's when people started using the "Classic Liberal" label to distinguish themselves from the OTHER "liberal"... But then I see people like Dave Ruben and Sargon of Akkad call themselves "Classic Liberal" and I start to laugh, because these motherfuckers have moved very much towards the Right and all they do is bash SJWs and don't ever say anything about the Bullshit the Right does... I don't know... Personally, I believe in Freedom of Speech, I believe in core Liberal Principles, but I reject the Right because of their authoritarian style. I reject BOTH fascism and Marxism. I literally hate feminazis. And the Alt-right are 100% racist pieces of shit. I don't know where I belong. Might I recommend "shitlib"? |
| What do you think SJW means? What do you think Marxism means? What do you think Feminism means? What do you think Antifa is? |
traed said: What do you think SJW means? What do you think Marxism means? What do you think Feminism means? What do you think Antifa is? SJW: An ideology drenched in political correctness, against freedom of speech, and ultimately uses "Social Justice" to right the supposed "wrongs" of society. For example: An SJW who believes white people have "privilege" will ironically be racist towards certain white people (most likely men) in an attempt to "even things out". Marxism: Textbook definition for this one....Basically a filthy commie! Feminist: Someone who SUPPOSEDLY wants equality between the genders....however more often than not, this person is a male-hater, and goes around espousing ridiculous shit like the "wage gap" and "rape culture". Antifa: An anarchist/commie terrorist organization. |
| Oh yeah...super surprised members of the Right-Wing came here just to shit talk and call us names. But yeah....they're the "good guys"! Rarusu_ said: The 'sane' pragmatic left is considered right-wing nowadays I'm afraid to say. Now the left consists of pacifists, multicultis, neolibs, and other loose folks, who also looks down on the working classes ironically. The old left was patriotic and populist, a creation of the people for the people. They wanted to empower the ordinaries, not just bribe them. On top of that they were virtues "do your duty claim your right". It wasn't "oh gib me everthing vecause I exist and I don't need do anything". It's so hilarious you're saying this and in this very thread you got people who are "Right-wingers" and here they are just to shit talk and use childish names. Sure man...you guys are the "Sane" ones. |
| I just read the title of this thread and I already knew that it must be your thread because you always want to show yourself superior to other leftists even tho most of your points align with rightists (but you still wanna be called a leftist). I believe that you still wanna be called as a leftist because you are a minority group (most probably a Mexican) living in USA. If Trump didn't say anything about deporting Mexicans, I am pretty sure you would have supported him. |
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--ALEX-- said: traed said: What do you think SJW means? What do you think Marxism means? What do you think Feminism means? What do you think Antifa is? SJW: An ideology drenched in political correctness, against freedom of speech, and ultimately uses "Social Justice" to right the supposed "wrongs" of society. For example: An SJW who believes white people have "privilege" will ironically be racist towards certain white people (most likely men) in an attempt to "even things out". Marxism: Textbook definition for this one....Basically a filthy commie! Feminist: Someone who SUPPOSEDLY wants equality between the genders....however more often than not, this person is a male-hater, and goes around espousing ridiculous shit like the "wage gap" and "rape culture". Antifa: An anarchist/commie terrorist organization. That literally could be anything from freeing slaves to outlawing looking at girls And what do you think is the textbook definition? And what about how there is more than one form of it and it differs by the conditions of a country? Not all divisions of it but various ones, yeah. |
| Liberals are just centrists. They hold ideas from the left, like freedom to abortion and opposition to capital punishment, and ideas from the right, like freedom of speech and the importance of a free market-driven economy. I used to be in this group until about a year ago when I got fed up with how stupid people are. Now I'm just a straight-up conservative minus the whole religious mumbo-jumbo. |
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swirlydragon said: I just read the title of this thread and I already knew that it must be your thread because you always want to show yourself superior to other leftists even tho most of your points align with rightists (but you still wanna be called a leftist). I believe that you still wanna be called as a leftist because you are a minority group (most probably a Mexican) living in USA. If Trump didn't say anything about deporting Mexicans, I am pretty sure you would have supported him. What the fuck? Literally everything you said is completely off... Dude, I don't call myself a "Leftist" because when I hear that term, I regard it as being "Far Left", and I don't hold the political views of the Far left. And are you crazy? Me, right wing? I criticize the Right Wing on a daily basis around here. Mexican? Are you fucking high? I'm not fucking Mexican. And Trump....I disagree with him on almost every fucking thing! Immigration is not even THAT important to me. Go ahead and deport Mexicans, I don't give a fuck. |
Rarusu_ said: --ALEX-- said: Oh yeah...super surprised members of the Right-Wing came here just to shit talk and call us names. But yeah....they're the "good guys"! It's so hilarious you're saying this and in this very thread you got people who are "Right-wingers" and here they are just to shit talk and use childish names. Sure man...you guys are the "Sane" ones. Well, it's you who are asking what to call the sane left. I say that the sane left died decades ago. Of course there are individual cases with lefties of good character, but they are not front figures. The political elites of both the right and the left have more in common with one another than with their roots. At least there is a populist awakening among the roots within the right. Fair enough. I agree that there aren't many "Sane Leftists" as front figures. I'd say Bill Maher has been a good Liberal in the sense that he's challenged other SJW Libs and has been very open to talking to every side of the political spectrum. He constantly invites many Right-wingers to his show. |
Veronin said: Liberals are just centrists. They hold ideas from the left, like freedom to abortion and opposition to capital punishment, and ideas from the right, like freedom of speech and the importance of a free market-driven economy. Freedom of speech is not an exclusively right wing idea. Freedom of speech is valued and defended by both sides of the political spectrum. And at times freedom of speech is also threatened by people on both sides of the political spectrum. |
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| Suddenly Freedom of Speech is a Right-wing thing because SJW shit heads don't like it? It's so ridiculous. I'll remind people on here that for YEARS in the United States, the biggest Right-wingers (Evangelical Christians and NeoCons) have been very much AGAINST freedom of speech. Evangelical Christians, who are almost exclusively Right-Wing only care about GOD...your silly Freedom of Speech comes second to Jesus Christ. And NeoCons...for fucks sake, did everyone suddenly forget about Bush and his administration and all the Bullshit they did? Before Anita Sarkeesian....there was Jack Thompson...a Right-wing Conservative! Did people forget about him too? Hell, he was far worse than Anita! |
swirlydragon said: If Trump didn't say anything about deporting Mexicans, I am pretty sure you would have supported him. >meme pic< What saddens me about those dumb pics, is that they actually have an effect on the simple-minded individuals like you. Nice attempt at trashing Alex BTW, but oh boy did you fail. |
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Clebardman said: What saddens me about those dumb pics, is that they actually have an effect on the simple-minded individuals like you. Nice attempt at trashing Alex BTW, but oh boy did you fail. Yeah, thnx for your valuable input. Now then, why should I care about what you think of me? |
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| Just call yourself "the sane left". The regressives are never going to start using that label because that would be ableist against retarded people |
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| "The Sane Left" huh? :D Just start a youtube channel with that name. You'll probably become a millionaire in just few months. All you need for people to like you in 2017 is a beard, microphone and the inability to pick a side. Thank me later. |
| SJWs and Antifa are collectivists same with the Alt-Right and Nazis. Collectivism is not the American way, so basically anyone that isn't an SJW, Antifa, Nazi, etc. are sane. |
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| the Not Alt Left is a good a name as any I suppose |
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| I just wish we could stop giving so much importance to labeling people left or right. It produces so much stupidity. I know it's impossible though. |
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| Do you find it necessary to define yourself by determining which people you are not? You're not the dirty and filthy X and Y, however you still don't have any idea as to what you are. If you're looking to do what rational people do, then you should be looking at all of the individual laws and determining what you personally feel about them. Forget "this is what smart people think". Take those "smart people", find out what legitimate facts they have to contribute, and form your own total understanding. Rinse and repeat for everything. After that, look at the political climate, see what "party" holds what particular views. Do their views align with yours? Check all of the parties out and see what most closely resembles yours. Perhaps you're not Democrat at all, and instead Repuiblican, Socialist, Communist, Green, Libertarian, or something else. If you don't fall into any of these, then likely you're an independent. If you're an independent, then you can determine which group at any particular time most closely furthers your own desires, and vote with them, and next time around you can decide to do something else. |
--ALEX-- said: traed said: What do you think SJW means? What do you think Marxism means? What do you think Feminism means? What do you think Antifa is? SJW: An ideology drenched in political correctness, against freedom of speech, and ultimately uses "Social Justice" to right the supposed "wrongs" of society. For example: An SJW who believes white people have "privilege" will ironically be racist towards certain white people (most likely men) in an attempt to "even things out". Marxism: Textbook definition for this one....Basically a filthy commie! Feminist: Someone who SUPPOSEDLY wants equality between the genders....however more often than not, this person is a male-hater, and goes around espousing ridiculous shit like the "wage gap" and "rape culture". Antifa: An anarchist/commie terrorist organization. I'm laughing so hard at this definitions, i'm 99% convinced you're just a troll. In fact, your definitions are pretty much those a ring-wing supporter thinks of all of these topics, so what's the actual difference? 8D I mean "filthy" commie, "male-hater", downplaying things like rape and the existent wage gap, "an anarchist/commie TERRORIST organization"... That's why i've always thought liberals are just very much attracted to the right-wing ideology but too concerned by what the rest of the "moral" society will think of them. I'm an antifascist and i'm not a terrorist. I'm a feminist. But i certainly don't hate men. I don't downplay rape, whether the victim is a male or female or trans or you name it. I don't downplay the wage gap, whether it is between male/female or CEOs/working class people. I mean what is a "left" without class struggle and equality -respecting the differences- between the different genders? What is a left without antifascism? Oh right, it's just plain liberalism. |
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Rarusu_ said: oh no, not the pacifists! They're the worst!!!Now the left consists of pacifists. |
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| Idk, shitlords? Because that's what you are to the tumblr generation. |
Thrashinuva said: Do you find it necessary to define yourself by determining which people you are not? You're not the dirty and filthy X and Y, however you still don't have any idea as to what you are. Well...like I said in the OP....I don't like labels, but at this point, everyone is labeled something. If it's "The Sane Left"....then fine, I'll go to that camp. I know one thing for sure....I definitely do NOT like the Right, they are everything I've always disliked about politics. But I loathe the Far Left with all their PC bullshit. But I'm not sure I can truly call myself a "Centrist" because I KNOW for sure I have core liberal principles. Thrashinuva said: If you're looking to do what rational people do, then you should be looking at all of the individual laws and determining what you personally feel about them. Forget "this is what smart people think". Take those "smart people", find out what legitimate facts they have to contribute, and form your own total understanding. I genuinely try to look at things on a case to case basis. You'd be surprised at how many things I might agree with when it comes to the Right... For example: I agree with Personal Responsibility....none of this entitlement shit. You gotta WORK for the things you want. HOWEVER....I also believe the Government has a responsibility to look out for it's citizens in their most desperate times. Another example: I'm VERY Capitalistic in my worldview. Basically.....I like money.....because money makes life easier. BUT....I also think in the grand scale, certain social constructs are important, and Money isn't everything to everyone. Some people are happier with the simple things in life... I'm not a Black and White type of person....everything is gray to me.... Thrashinuva said: Rinse and repeat for everything. After that, look at the political climate, see what "party" holds what particular views. Do their views align with yours? Check all of the parties out and see what most closely resembles yours. Perhaps you're not Democrat at all, and instead Repuiblican, Socialist, Communist, Green, Libertarian, or something else. If you don't fall into any of these, then likely you're an independent. If you're an independent, then you can determine which group at any particular time most closely furthers your own desires, and vote with them, and next time around you can decide to do something else. Both the Republicans and Democrats are terrible. NO...."terrible" is too polite. They're dog shit. I would NEVER align with either of them. |
| How about "Blue Dogs"? They're what "sane leftists" were called 30-40 years ago; pro-union Jim Webb/JFK democrats. |
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Lost_Viking said: How about "Blue Dogs"? They're what "sane leftists" were called 30-40 years ago; pro-union Jim Webb/JFK democrats. Blue Dogs are right wing Democrats. They ain't pro-union lol. |
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| There is no sane left, nor any sane right, nor any sane centrism. If you're sane, you will remain aloof and avoid affiliating yourself with any political wing or placing yourself on the political compass. The only way you can maintain a constant clear and fresh picture of the world is by remaining fluid and adapting to changing circumstances, to new observations and revelations. Don't confine yourself to a framework of thought designed by someone else. Or you'll get sucked into it, your ability for independent thought will be sabotaged without you even consciously noticing it. (because humans are social animals after all, emphasis on "animals") ^ an advice from someone who finished a degree in international relations and politics. |
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omfgplzstop said: well done The nature of the left is to go ever leftwards and you guys were left behind by the leftists zeitgeist and are now wondering what to call yourselves, it's pretty funny, and that's why I said to call yourselves nazis because to your former fellows you might as well be. |
| just continue to call themselves liberals or left wingers and continue to call the far left as SJWs or even the new word made by Trump the Alt-Left the reason i consider myself liberal/leftist is because i believe in progress of technology will bring social change (be it good or bad but usually good) and economic security for all |
omfgplzstop said: JonyJC said: I'm a right-winger, actually. I got what you were trying to say and thought it was a pretty clever way to go about it, the "well done" wasn't sarcastic. Lol.The nature of the left is to go ever leftwards and you guys were left behind by the leftists zeitgeist and are now wondering what to call yourselves, it's pretty funny, and that's why I said to call yourselves nazis because to your former fellows you might as well be. Hard to tell on the internet, might as well make it clear. |
| Do you oppose economic freedom? Congratulations, you're NOT a Liberal! People still don't know what Right-wing and Left-Wing means. --ALEX-- said: Yet you refuse to make Political Spectrum Tests.First of all, I dislike labels....but I feel like it's unavoidable on this political climate. |
| Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
| I call it "nonexistent." |
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| Sane left is an oxymoron. "Socialists" covers the whole rabble nicely -- it's just a matter of degree. |
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spuukiebuugi said: Unions are bad. Unions are also good.Unions fuck everything up anyway, though I live in a right to work state but my (now former) job was one of the only unionized companies. Thats why our pay was shit compared to everyone else's in pretty much the entire state, fuckin' union dues took 20% out of my overall paycheck. They promise "well we'll get you paid 12 an hour eventually", and the pay grade never goes above 9/hr except with maybe a few years employment at the company, which is unbelievably shitty to work for. Needless to say even if I'm not "protected" in the case of an incident (and the union didn't protect me anyway, numerous complaints about store management later and corporate's threatening to boot me as an employee instead of the faggots who can't manage the store, which is essentially why i quit and why I'm unemployed now) I'd rather have more money than be under a union. The core idea of a union is overall a good thing to have. The fact is that employers will try to skirt the law if they can, and get rid of employees they don't like, even if they otherwise do an excellent job. I've seen this happen personally when I lived in a right to work state. On the other hand, employees in unions and unions themselves will abuse their power. People will outright not even show up to work multiple times, refuse to give an explanation, and miraculously have a job still with literally no punishment of any kind. I have also seen this happen now that I work in a union state. Additionally, working in a union state while in a job that doesn't have a union in it still provides me an environment where the standards for treatment towards employees are much higher, and so I have indirectly benefited from it and don't have to worry about the bullshit sorts of excuses that employers like to give. It's a scale with both good and bad. It's just that at the moment the scale is very much tipped towards bad. |
8oomer said: Sane left is an oxymoron. "Socialists" covers the whole rabble nicely -- it's just a matter of degree. There's plenty of people who have core liberal principles and are not socialists... How do you explain someone like myself? I'm a huge capitalist, but I still lean towards the left. |
--ALEX-- said: Why is it up to me to try to explain what looks like an anomaly? It seems to me that the burden of proof of the claim "I'm a huge capitalist, but I still lean towards the left" is on you. Yours is the extraordinary position, not mine.How do you explain someone like myself? I'm a huge capitalist, but I still lean towards the left. |
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--ALEX-- said: Socially libertarian but fiscally conservative?There's plenty of people who have core liberal principles and are not socialists... How do you explain someone like myself? I'm a huge capitalist, but I still lean towards the left. |
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