| this is backward development if anything... unversty must be neutral field which can devloping learning, teaching, and researching without any outsider intervention and restriction.. that's why academy field is a thing, from sience to sience... with this, professor who teaching marxisme or searching dark part of american history would consider criminal already... the fuck are happened with you first world? you are criticizing freedom of speech now? WTF? the fact that there is such a thing as "leftist professor that advancing propaganda" in acdemy field is seckening already, but the respond to it even more disgusting.. is there no such a thing as independent professor quality controler there who made by professor asotiation ? the place which can actually legally report people who violate academic ethics like this? |
KumaNov 27, 2016 3:46 AM
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Not gonna lie I also think that this is pretty crappy. I in no way support the political correctness and censorship performed by universities but this is just too far in the opposite direction. Professors who merely describe Marxism will be denounced as "anti-murrican pinko commie basterds'". Most university staff and students are liberals anyway, who contrary to popular belief are not leftists. |
| Politics shouldn't be a subject of discussion at universities anyway, unless the students are studying it specifically. |
Lelouch_Darsi said: Kuma said: this is backward development if anything... unversty must be neutral field which can devloping learning, teaching, and researching without any outsider intervention and restriction.. that's why academy field is a thing, from sience to sience... with this, professor who teaching marxisme or searching dark part of american history would consider criminal already... the fuck are happened with you first world? you are criticizing freedom of speech now? WTF? the fact that there is such a thing as "leftist professor that advancing propaganda" in acdemy field is seckening already, but the respond to it even more disgusting.. is there no such a thing as independent professor quality controler there who made by professor asotiation ? the place which can actually legally report people who violate academic ethics like this? Please read the article. These professors censor views that are against theirs. It is they who are violating freedom of speech. You're free to spread propaganda, and you're free to criticize different views as long as you don't silence them. there no indication on article... even the article stating it's about conservative feel "attacked" by professor who encouraging liberalism... and no indication those professor "cencoring" anything in the article... i don't defend them, i just smell irony here... CondemneDio said: Politics shouldn't be a subject of discussion at universities anyway, unless the students are studying it specifically. too bad thou, nowdays, if you learn about social studies, you have to learn politics you like it or not... |
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| So they are doing the very thing they claim to be against. |
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Lelouch_Darsi said: Lobinde said: Not gonna lie I also think that this is pretty crappy. I in no way support the political correctness and censorship performed by universities but this is just too far in the opposite direction. Professors who merely describe Marxism will be denounced as "anti-murrican pinko commie basterds'". Most university staff and students are liberals anyway, who contrary to popular belief are not leftists. All liberals are not lefties. But most lefties are liberals. Well, it's not targeting liberals anyways. And these college professors discriminate against conservative views. They are against free speech. Almost all lefties are NOT liberals. One of the foundations of liberalism is laissez-faire capitalism which most lefties are against. And is the counter to discriminating conservative views really to discriminate leftist views? That does nothing but discriminate both viewpoints. |
| Anything that can help these students not turn into "special snowflakes" is positive. |
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| I thought you guys were supposed to be against "censorship" and "political correctness"? lol |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| I'm not reading the article, mostly because they take out the ability to scroll if you use adblock, but what in it insinuates that they are censoring anything? From what I gather they're merely exposing those who are censoring the truth. It doesn't sound like they're getting them fired. |
Josh said: I thought you guys were supposed to be against "censorship" and "political correctness"? lol When you want the uni to be a learning institution, not an adult daycare centre, some measure is necessary. And also your statement is highly ironic that these professors that have been blacklisted in the website are the ones that are encouraging political correctness. Quit being smarmy, you aren't as witty as you think you are. |
| No way to recall What it was that you had said to me Like I care at all But it was so loud And you sure could yell You took a stand on every little thing And it was so loud |
Syndromic said: If anything I'm even more witty than I think I am. :3Josh said: When you want the uni to be a learning institution, not an adult daycare centre, some measure is necessary. And also your statement is highly ironic that these professors that have been blacklisted in the website are the ones that are encouraging political correctness. I thought you guys were supposed to be against "censorship" and "political correctness"? lol Quit being smarmy, you aren't as witty as you think you are. There's nothing "highly ironic" about noting that political correctness is not solely the domain of the left, as evidenced by this conservative call to shame professors for promoting "anti-American values" and "leftist propaganda" (aka. views I don't agree with). It's as if they wish to create an adult daycare centre for conservative snowflakes. xD :P |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| A professor "watch-list" . . . While I find those who are overly political annoying, the idea of a list being drawn up is actually pretty scary. If anything, all this will do is encourage trolls to get on and harass these professors, who will then take that as proof of the bigotry around the world and be able to use it to further push their cause. What is likely to come from this is a backlash in the wrong direction because idiots on the internet think that calling someone a "fucker for being an SJW" is somehow going to fix the problem. |
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Josh said: It's as if they wish to create an adult daycare centre for conservative snowflakes. xD :P There is already a place like that, it's called church but we don't call it daycare centre because there are already places like that for the REAL pre-school kids, not some neurotic college liberals. At least we conservatives don't try to invade other places to force our ideology onto your throats like 32 gender pronouns and rape culture. And political correctness is firmly in the domain of you sensitive liberals now, your kinds are credited with creating most of the buzzwords like islamophobic, transphobic and gender dismorphism, etc. Please don't try to push that burden to us. It was very important to create some practical measures in the uni to prevent slippery slopes like legalising pedo which the liberal outlets are fond of pushing nowadays. Liberals don't seem to know where to draw the line what is extreme whereas we right-wingers can. So certain legislation is necessary. |
| No way to recall What it was that you had said to me Like I care at all But it was so loud And you sure could yell You took a stand on every little thing And it was so loud |
Syndromic said: 0_0 At least we conservatives don't try to invade other places to force our ideology onto your throats Really? Are you sure about that? You sure that's what you want to go with? |
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shotz_ said: In college, I took 4 English classes from 3 different schools. 3 were "taught" by deep-end left-wing extremists. 2 had literally every paper required to be left-wing propaganda. These were either generic English courses or specialized ones where they actually threw out the expected content to skew it their way. the objectivity of this project is already compromised since it's being conducted by a partisan group. i'll be the first to admit there are biased political science professors here and there. however the cultural marxism/leftist indoctrination epidemic in universities is grossly exaggerated. it is largely a myth long played out by conservatives because sometimes, certain things that students learn in subjects such as science, history, political science, sociology, etc. aren't very flattering to conservative narratives. In history and social sciences, it was 3 flaming liberals out of 6 (ironically, the Arab-Islamic History course was one of the neutral ones). I'll forgive one because only an idiot takes a course on minority groups without expecting it, but that's still pretty bad. All told, thinking back, about 20% of the courses I took involved significant preaching and/or indoctrination by clearly biased professors. It could have been worse, but my major (Business) was one of the hardest ones to inject excessive bias into. I had exactly one unabashedly conservative professor. Total. Of course, the truth is that the professors aren't the real issue - it's the administrators. Even a politically biased professor can only manage so much in a STEM course. But the administrators are the ones that keep coming up with these absurd rules and ideas, and implementing them without a second thought or even the illusion of even-handedness. The professors are just the icing on the cake. |
clandestine said: @Syndromic you again? Seriously? What about all the people who stand outside abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood establishments to bombard visitors (which as a resident of the southern US I've seen quite a bit)? You can claim that's in the name of religion instead of conservatism, but the two mediums often intersect. Farther right conservatives who're obnoxious enough will flaunt themselves to people's faces and browbeat them for disagreeing. Just as the farther left does. Don't try acting all high and mighty here. Your statements are very arrogant. At least have acknowledgement that the right side of political extremism is as bad as the left in their own ways. Definitely agree. The Westboro Baptist Chuch, for example, sure as hell aren't passive. |
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clandestine said: What about all the people who stand outside abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood establishments to bombard visitors (which as a resident of the southern US I've seen quite a bit)? You can claim that's in the name of religion instead of conservatism, but the two mediums often intersect. Farther right conservatives who're obnoxious enough will flaunt themselves to people's faces and browbeat them for disagreeing. Just as the farther left does. If they really wanted to invade, they would have replaced all the staffs with conservatives and destroy them from inside. If they were fully insane, they would have paid Westboro church to harass the abortion clinics staff and actually destroy them until there are none left. If there were real harassment, all the media outlets would have jumped on it like attack dogs admonishing those "big bad republicans'. clandestine said: Don't try acting all high and mighty here. Your statements are very arrogant. At least have acknowledgement that the right side of political extremism is as bad as the left in their own ways. I don't claim to be smart nor articulate in my opinion. I don't even deny extreme right is also bad. I'm not religious, pro-marijuana, even pro-abortion but when I say the left doesn't seem to know where to draw the line, the proof is in the pudding with the misplaced sympathy for people with gender pronouns, Islamic immigrants and black lives matter. Sure there are some people on the left criticising these movements, but the most of them would rather attack Trump constantly (and before that cis white male and nice guys). And you are the one acting high and mighty with snarky one-liners and being condescending in another threads calling someone 'honey' with ever so frequent sarcastic tone calling every contents cancerous. Do you honestly think I didn't notice the post you deleted? I only took very aggressive and reactionary stance recently since the polite exchange hardly works neither here or anywhere. I have been arguing with left-leaning people almost 10 years, 90% of the time, it never came to compromise. I may identify myself as conservative but I agree on the social issue with libertarian stance but I could see the confirmation bias from mile away like most netizens have personal hangups against every conservatives with frequent throwaway insults hurled without even listening to their arguments. I'd rather be rooting for underdogs than know-it-all college graduates. Also creationists may be dumb people but harmless dumb people whom you can drive away with ease but extreme left are not without your reputation on the stake. |
| No way to recall What it was that you had said to me Like I care at all But it was so loud And you sure could yell You took a stand on every little thing And it was so loud |
clandestine said: I'm not trying to pseudointellectually flaunt myself. Unknowingly to many CE regulars, they do have a very pompous and haughty manner about them. Acting as if their opinions truly are superior. Me, I know what I know, and I don't claim to be better. I merely add condescending and bitchy tonality to assure that a couple of jimmies are rustled and that's that. Clearly it's worked though. This has to be one of my favorite posts that I've read on here /salute |
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shotz_ said: i could counter your anecdotal evidence with my own anecdotal evidence as a 5 year poly sci student whose vast majority of professors have been stringently objective (some of them were conservative leaning personally also). at the end of the day all of it means jack shit. at the end of the day a lot of it comes down to opinionated people going into college and falsely perceiving bias when some of the learning material challenges their worldview. personally i lean more to the left and i've studied things that weren't flattering to my political views too. that does not necessarily make it biased. no political worldview is immune to being challenged by historical trends/objective information. not to mention some people having very warped understandings of what liberalism and leftism are, which can often lead to false interpretations of bias. I said I chose to take courses on minority groups and Arab Islamic History. Obviously, me being too conservative wasn't the issue there. The issue is things like a basic English course where every paper was about racial prejudice or discrimination towards a handful of select minorities. In many cases, the subject and required conclusions were such that the paper had to be patently false to get a passing grade - in other words, requiring students to write propaganda. That's not appropriate. Anywhere. Under any circumstances. One or two papers, sure, but only with something coming from the other direction too AND a possibility of arguing the other side and still passing. This is also no exaggeration. I actually know multiple people who were failed for refusing to tow the party line on such assignments, both with this professor and others who were similarly biased. Anecdotal, yes. But the fact that all of these people appealed this treatment and all but one of the professors were upheld suggests a major problem - one that cannot be explained away by students being repelled by challenges to their world view. After all, the same people would be screaming bloody murder if a black student was required to write pro-white or anti-black propaganda, and deservedly so. |
ErwinJANov 28, 2016 7:14 PM
| @ErwinJA Where did you go to college? I mean I hear this kind of stuff all the time when you see random college kids being encouraged to protest this or that, but I have been to 3 colleges in California (1 of them was community), and while most of the teachers were likely liberal, most also left their political views completely out of the class (although too be fair, most of my classes had been chemistry / biology so ...) I certainly don't remember having to write all my papers on social justice issues, and I never had to choose which way to argue for my writing classes either. The closest I had to social justice issues was a paper centered around a book I had to read about a kid who came to America from Honduras illegally by riding on top of trains in Mexico (messed up shit ensued). However the prompt I chose allowed for one to either argue for more strict, or less strict, border policies and the book itself was relatively neutral in that it definitely hilighted many of the problems that crop up when impoverished illegal immigrants reach America (such as joining gangs, burdening the education system, etc.) Since many of the students wrote in favor of more lax regulations, I wrote in favor of more strict conditions, and despite the teacher being pretty liberal I got a really high grade and he liked it. I guess what I am saying is, if you are going to colleges where political agendas are being pushed, perhaps you should reconsider the quality of education being offered at said college. |
Pirating_NinjaNov 28, 2016 7:48 PM
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Pirating_Ninja said: I've gone to three schools in Michigan (one mostly boarding university, a larger, mostly commuter university, and one community college as well), as well as taking a non-degree program at a local college in North Carolina. All were medium-end - low cost, but highly rated in certain areas. To be honest, the problems I saw were more department related, rather than the school.@ErwinJA Where did you go to college? I mean I hear this kind of stuff all the time when you see random college kids being encouraged to protest this or that, but I have been to 3 colleges in California (1 of them was community), and while most of the teachers were likely liberal, most also left their political views completely out of the class (although too be fair, most of my classes had been chemistry / biology so ...) I certainly don't remember having to write all my papers on social justice issues, and I never had to choose which way to argue for my writing classes either. The closest I had to social justice issues was a paper centered around a book I had to read about a kid who came to America from Honduras illegally by riding on top of trains in Mexico (messed up shit ensued). However the prompt I chose allowed for one to either argue for more strict, or less strict, border policies and the book itself was relatively neutral in that it definitely hilighted many of the problems that crop up when impoverished illegal immigrants reach America (such as joining gangs, burdening the education system, etc.) Since many of the students wrote in favor of more lax regulations, I wrote in favor of more strict conditions, and despite the teacher being pretty liberal I got a really high grade and he liked it. I guess what I am saying is, if you are going to colleges where political agendas are being pushed, perhaps you should reconsider the quality of education being offered at said college. For example, I took at least one English course in each of the three Michigan ones, and the only course that was well and truly doing actual English was at the one school where I took two (and had the worst offender). I'll also admit that I only experienced 4 or 5 courses that were really bad myself, and all but one of the places I saw issues in were those general "liberal arts" courses that are required for graduation. In the exception, the course was even handed, but the teacher, who had been doing work for the union, was notably lacking in presenting the other side of a then-current (and relevant to the course) labor dispute. Disappointing, but not unexpected. Ironically, the most impressive case of a teacher discussing politics was in the community college. The Political Science professor was open about his opinions and biases, but just as quick to admit them as such and happy to engage in civil debate. As such, even those he openly (and often jokingly) disagreed with were under minimal pressure to conform. However, a large numbers of egregious offenses have been relayed to me through friends and family, and include a range of mid- to high-end schools throughout Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, and North Carolina, along with some others scattered around the country. These include high schools and prep schools as well as colleges and universities. While the general liberal leaning of most "victims" should be noted, I'll also admit that, in some of those cases, both sides were clearly biased. This can be illustrated in an incident I heard about where a devout Jewish student was required, by an Arab teacher, to write an anti-Israeli paper. I'm sure you can figure out where that one went. But my problem remains not the professors so much as the administrations that not only allow, but actively encourage such things. Professors can only do as much as the administration allows after all, and I've actually seen what can happen when they have nobody to answer to. I've seen teachers rebuked for safety violations, racial and religious discrimination, and not even pretending to do their job (yes, that previous sentence), but every time an indoctrination case got to an appeal, the board sided with the teacher. In fact, multiple schools failed to even provide anonymity to complainants. And when you see the list of administrative positions, it's hard to deny the result is what the school wants. |
Syndromic said: clandestine said: What about all the people who stand outside abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood establishments to bombard visitors (which as a resident of the southern US I've seen quite a bit)? You can claim that's in the name of religion instead of conservatism, but the two mediums often intersect. Farther right conservatives who're obnoxious enough will flaunt themselves to people's faces and browbeat them for disagreeing. Just as the farther left does. If they really wanted to invade, they would have replaced all the staffs with conservatives and destroy them from inside. If they were fully insane, they would have paid Westboro church to harass the abortion clinics staff and actually destroy them until there are none left. If there were real harassment, all the media outlets would have jumped on it like attack dogs admonishing those "big bad republicans'. They do that with bombs and bullets. |
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| These right wingers want to attack education and anyone who disagrees with them. They hate education. Many dictatorships attacked academics (eg Mao). Because the academics won't fall for their propaganda. Just wait as these far righties take away your civil liberties. And the uneducated will fall for it. |
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sleeplesstown said: you have to get these cultural marxist reptilians out of education these university students should be taught about property rights and jesus What the heck is a cultural marxist? |
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| Now what do we have here, a bunch of censorship opposing right wingers who suddenly don't think censorship seems like such a bad idea anymore because this time, it's affecting their political opponents! traed said: And with the help from bible thumping crackhead politiciansThey do that with bombs and bullets. |
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| The more and more I want places like colleges to be a politically 'neutral' ground, the more and more violently the pendulum swings. So glad I didn't go to college. |
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Thebigofan said: sleeplesstown said: you have to get these cultural marxist reptilians out of education these university students should be taught about property rights and jesus What the heck is a cultural marxist? It refers to "leftists" - usually liberals who champion identity politics and oppose western culture, usually supporting closure of international borders and such However the way right wingers use it is buzzwordish as fuck and it actually has nothing to do with Marxism. |
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