The situation of anime:
| How do you see the industry is headed? Please tell me why you think so in the comments :D I'm just curious.. |
| It's getting more popular from what I hear. Quality is subjective, though. |
| Though more popular, anime viewing clubs are less popular... :'-( |
The anime community in a nutshell.  |
DateYutaka said: Why do you think so? What makes today's anime less quality?up in popularity down in quilty there you go |
| Unless they start producing more fujoshit anime, no, it probably won't gain more popularity and quality |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| It's getting a lot more popular, though some might argue it is losing quality I would say it doesn't. Even if there's almost always your typical harem show in almost every season most seasons have many popular anime with good quality in them. |
| nothing. |
| Visual quality is successively improving. The last four seasons haven't been very good though imo. |
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Comic_Sans said: Unless they start producing more fujoshit anime, no, it probably won't gain more popularity and quality Bruh das gay as shit. Now lemme go jerk off to muh lolis. I'm no pedo, btw. |
| Popularity is drastically increasing but the quality is decreasing in the same terms. |
| Is it even possible for anime to lose popularity? Most people who try anime will sooner or later love it. Anime is always gaining popularity! |
| Cross-country >>>>>>>>>>>> Every other sport |
| Obviously gaining popularity. As for quality, in the production department, yes. Some studios these days make fantastic animation and art. In terms of narrative and story, well that's entirely opinionated, but there is a rather large increase of shows directly made to pander to a certain demographic and are basically using them to generate income (which is expected as a company ofc). There's very few innovative anime these days or ones that are afraid to to take a genre one step further in my opinion. |
| I would say it's gaining popularity (as should be expected) but generally remaining the same in quality. |
| Ah, I still remember the gool old days when battle shounen were still good. |
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AltoRoark said: I'm sorry to inform you but you are wrongComic_Sans said: Unless they start producing more fujoshit anime, no, it probably won't gain more popularity and quality Bruh das gay as shit. Now lemme go jerk off to muh lolis. I'm no pedo, btw. Yaoi is the best and purest form of love and that's just a fact |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| It's gaining popularity. As for quality, that's debatable. Due to the increase in the number of anime airing per season we have more mindless cashgrabs but the number of good, genuine shows remain the same.. |
| I remember Anime popularity, in the US, being pretty damn high in the late 90s/early 2000s. I'm pretty sure it was more popular then than now. Maybe there are more core fans now but it was getting mainstream then. Toonami and Adult Swim were going strong, Pokemon was a global phenomenon, Dragon Ball was brining in new fans from all over the world, Sailor Moon was very popular with girls, and of course there was Yugioh/Digimon. I could be wrong. I'd like to see some numbers on this. I know that Shonen Jump was in its prime during Dragon Ball, even reaching heights of selling 6 million copies of an issue. I'd say its increasing from the late 2000s and early 2010s but its not as popular as it used to be overall. |
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| You all seem to be fairly optimistic... |
| It's definitely getting more popular, but idk about it losing quality since 2016 so far has been a pretty great year for anime :D |
| "It's dropping in quality but getting more popular - 22" These are the people that need to stop. Also why is there no option: "It's Getting more popular but quality is the same"??? |
| visual quality increasing, popularity increasing, plot decreasing |
| The popularity is going up that is a fact. The quality is a different story. There are some factors that needs to be considered. As the anime industry settled into a "standard length" system it affects the quality, because it is a factor they have to work with. I really don't wanna break into the "good ol' elitist wars" and start rambling about old staff (pre 2000), not so old staff (2000-2010) and new staff (2010-). In my eyes: good ol' days has good animes, exceptional ideas, the 2000-2010 era has it's masterpieces, and nowadays great animes are made, some great announcements happened, and the community waits for a great deal of second/third seasons so good thing are coming, and the ever growing community is ready for it. |
| Big rise because of popular mainstream shows like SAO, Attack on Titan, Tokyo Ghoul and One Punch Man. |
| Id say the quality isn't dropping, there is just more anime coming out, but the number of good shows is still pretty much the same. |
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Anopey said: How do you see the industry is headed? Please tell me why you think so in the comments :D Depends on which industry we are talking about. The Japanese? The Western? The Japanese industry seems to be doing well if you ask me. Its currently in a "bubble" so we get lots more shows in recent years than previously. I get the feeling that when it bursts it won't be violent. More like we will get less shows as seasons pass by. In general, the quality of writing will probably stay the same as it always has and follow the trends of the time (popular tropes, settings, character archetypes, etc...). The popularity among the Japanese public that watch anime probably won't change at all as there will always be casuals, shippers, and otaku. Isekai-type set-ups and idol series are whats selling right now. Give it 5 years and it'll be something different (though I doubt idol series will disappear as they are a cultural thing). This is just me guessing but I can see shows that are mainly aimed at fujoshi branching out and hitting more demographics (kind of like how shows with yuri-shiptease are watched by both girls and guys and also have a focus besides that). Free! and Osomatsu-san are good examples of this. Compared to male oriented shows, female oriented shows are still quite a new thing and have yet to evolve enough to hit more than just their intended audience. Its kind of like an unexplored and uncultivated land so-to-say. We are also seeing more passion projects these days as more and more industry people are getting ambitious and the younger generation (who are more connected to the fans) is taking over. However I doubt any of that will make anime more or less popular though it might change the writing to fit less otaku-ish tastes. If we are talking about the western industry its a bit different. Most anime fans for the most part only watch things that have high action and whatnot (AoT and One Punch Man are good examples) so as long as japan keeps pumping out media of that sort every once and a while then its safe to say anime is popular. I personally can't say where the industry is heading. |
MikiyaJul 26, 2016 1:16 PM
| I'm not sure what to make of this. I didn't even get involved in the poll because it's subjective to me, and I don't even have enough information to say if it's gaining popularity or not. But I'll say this: anime is not even mainstream in the US nor in Japan, so how can it get more audiences outside of Japan. My other issues is that usually when people like anime they would branch out to other aspect of Japanese pop culture like J-pop, J-dramas, and other stuff. But those other media from Japan don't get a big fanbases and still remain niche (unlike their Korean counterpart). It's kinda true it's been acknowledged that Japanese pop culture are losing their cool and appeal outside of Asia. I mean back in 2008, CSmonitor wrote this article about how Japan can compete with US on pop cultural export. Now a few years later, this same company release an article saying that Japan has been losing it's cool. Other articles has also reported on this similar trend regarding Japan: Rocketnews24 article CNBC article The Atlantic article Nikkei Asian review article One thing I do notice is that Japanese language enrollment in US colleges/universities has face a decline for the last few years:  Sources: ICEF Monitor, Inside higher Ed If anime was still popular, then there wouldn't be a decline in Japanese language enrollment in US college/universities. I don't have the data for worldwide. You might have noticed on the same chart that Korean language jumped up. That's because K-pop and K-drama did that: Voice of America article LA Times article NPR article KEIA article I talked to some anime bloggers and experts online and they agree that anime is losing it's appeal to international audiences due to the pandering to otaku (moe and fanservice). Also it doesn't help that I was told that anime industry don't care about the international audiences outside of Japan. |
mdo7Aug 11, 2016 8:33 AM
| ↑ Spanish has dropped as well. Paella is getting less popular in the US |
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| And I'd like to know, since it's universally accepted here, by what metric anime is gaining popularity. Any increase is meaningless if there isn't a concomitant increase in sales. |
| I think anime is still recovering from the popularity's downfall in the West from the middle 2000s, despite thanks to nostalgia from 90s shows and sites like tumblr is gaining popularity gaining. About quality, well, the new unpopular with critics trends like moe, ecchi, harem, light novel adaptations and mmorpg games' settings get called the cancer in anime industry. But anime industry has always got trends that made tons of awful titles, like the gore obssession on OVAs from the late 80s-90s, or popular shows that became snark baits to more veteran shows, like the Big 3 (Naruto, Bleach, One Piece) in the early 2000s. But we still had great shows this decade, despite some people saying the opposite. |
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mdo7 said: I'm not sure what to make of this. I didn't even get involved in the poll because it's subjective to me, and I don't even have enough information to say if it's gaining popularity or not. But I'll say this: anime is not even mainstream in the US nor in Japan, so how can it get more audiences outside of Japan. My other issues is that usually when people like anime they would branch out to other aspect of Japanese pop culture like J-pop, J-dramas, and other stuff. But those other media from Japan don't get a big fanbases and still remain niche (unlike their Korean counterpart). It's kinda true it's been acknowledged that Japanese pop culture are losing their cool and appeal outside of Asia. I mean back in 2008, CSmonitor wrote this article about how Japan can compete with US on pop cultural export. Now a few years later, this same company release an article saying that Japan has been losing it's cool. Other articles has also reported on this similar trend regarding Japan: Rocketnews24 article CNBC article The Atlantic article Nikkei Asian review article One thing I do notice is that Japanese language enrollment in US colleges/universities has face a decline for the last few years: Sources: ICEF Monitor, Inside higher Ed If anime was still popular, then there wouldn't be a decline in Japanese language enrollment in US college/universities. I don't have the data for worldwide. You might have noticed on the same chart that Korean language jumped up. That's because K-pop and K-drama did that: Voice of America article LA Times article NPR article KEIA article I talked to some anime bloggers and experts online and they agree that anime is losing it's appeal to international audiences due to the pandering to otaku (moe and fanservice). Also it doesn't help that I was told that anime industry don't care about the international audiences outside of Japan. But the thing is, almost every language dropped based on that and from what I can see only 4 of them didn't drop. I also don't think it's fair to judge anime appeal on learning a language. Not everyone here wants to know Japanese that's for sure. |
| Hmm......there are more original series so that is a plus...but when you look at manga sells and look at what is popular it is very top heavy and everything is ran by the big names of animes. Also original series are still a risk. Anime hasn't gotten popular or decline in popularity but it has decided to just be mediocre while the outside of anime is looking promising. I have seen more animation studios make English social media accounts and interact with fans. So that is a plus. There is also this initiative from the Japanese government paying young animators to do animation projects. So I would say the outside of anime shows a lot of promise. |
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Jorenzo_Jovannie said: Same here....what many people seem to ignore is that bullshit usually gets popular.Lots of people around me watched SAO and simple shows like that, and claim it to be the best they have seen (yeah, apart from the other 4 they have seen which include frikkin deat note -.-). Als the seasonal shows seem to have a crapload of sol/moe stuff, the occasional legendary anime like JoJo, OPM etc. keep me from turning my back on anime. |
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Personally I don't think university enrollment is a good measure for popularity. I mean there are a lot of factors you're ignoring in that scenario like how every foreign language aside from Chinese, sign language, Korean, and Portuguese had a significant decline. Which would lead me to believe that less people in general are taking foreign languages and I would wager it's a lot of other factors that are left out. Ie. the massive cost of universities and the lack of options to pay for it people are probably less willing to pursue something that might not directly translate to career goals. In reference to Korean though korean was one of the smallest enrollments in terms of totals so it would make sense that the % jump is much greater even with a small increase in enrollments. But anyway OT: I would say it's branching out/increasing in popularity. It's still niche but over the past few years there has been a large push into more wide spread localization to various countries. In general I would say the quality is increasing as well, there's always been a popular trend mentality no matter what decade you're looking at. The thing now is with much shorter series it allows for a lot more variety and reduces the risk on hit or miss series. Allowing for more branching into separate trends, controlled experimentation, and I'm fairly optimistic that there will eventually be a change in the payment model that will hopefully improve all aspects of the industry. So to me quality is improving because there's something for everybody but that's entirely subjective as has been stated prior. |
MasterHavik said: Jorenzo_Jovannie said: Same here....what many people seem to ignore is that bullshit usually gets popular.Lots of people around me watched SAO and simple shows like that, and claim it to be the best they have seen (yeah, apart from the other 4 they have seen which include frikkin deat note -.-). Als the seasonal shows seem to have a crapload of sol/moe stuff, the occasional legendary anime like JoJo, OPM etc. keep me from turning my back on anime. popular anime appeal to the majority maybe they are shit for you , but not for others |
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| Some interesting data above, but I don't see any correlation with popularity. As a Chinese major (for a while), I can say with confidence that you'd have to be one crazy mofo to endure learning Chinese/Japanese writing systems because... "anime". |
Yes Spanish has dropped as well. Just to let you know, Korean language has also increase worldwide which may include Latin/South America. Nagitoxhxc said: But the thing is, almost every language dropped based on that and from what I can see only 4 of them didn't drop. I also don't think it's fair to judge anime appeal on learning a language. Well if you look at the chart and you see that Japanese classes drop but Korean language increase at the same time then it should've raise some red flag within the anime companies. To me it means that from my point of view that anime may have lost it's global appeal it once had long time ago. Nagitoxhxc said: Not everyone here wants to know Japanese that's for sure. I don't understand this mentality. A lot of K-pop fans that become deep in the fandom do end up learning Korean language. Why won't anime fans express that same type of passion learning the Japanese language. When Korean stuff got more popular, the Korean language just became more popular. If anime is more popular, then Japanese language shouldn't have decline. But I need more data to reach that conclusion. GamerDLM said: Personally I don't think university enrollment is a good measure for popularity. I mean there are a lot of factors you're ignoring in that scenario like how every foreign language aside from Chinese, sign language, Korean, and Portuguese had a significant decline. Which would lead me to believe that less people in general are taking foreign languages and I would wager it's a lot of other factors that are left out. Ie. the massive cost of universities and the lack of options to pay for it people are probably less willing to pursue something that might not directly translate to career goals. In reference to Korean though korean was one of the smallest enrollments in terms of totals so it would make sense that the % jump is much greater even with a small increase in enrollments. The data is from 2009-2013, so if I see anymore data that Korean language classes enrollment continue to rise and Japanese language continue to decrease. Then it means to me that anime is not getting people into Japanese culture. You're right a lot of foreign language has decline, but only Korean stood out the most and seen a major increase in the US which does indicate K-pop and K-drama has already done it's job. On the other hand, Japanese language just decline even though we have a lot of anime coming out for the last few years. |
mdo7Aug 9, 2016 10:54 AM
mdo7 said: I'm not sure what to make of this. I didn't even get involved in the poll because it's subjective to me, and I don't even have enough information to say if it's gaining popularity or not. But I'll say this: anime is not even mainstream in the US nor in Japan, so how can it get more audiences outside of Japan. My other issues is that usually when people like anime they would branch out to other aspect of Japanese pop culture like J-pop, J-dramas, and other stuff. But those other media from Japan don't get a big fanbases and still remain niche (unlike their Korean counterpart). It's kinda true it's been acknowledged that Japanese pop culture are losing their cool and appeal outside of Asia. I mean back in 2008, CSmonitor wrote this article about how Japan can compete with US on pop cultural export. Now a few years later, this same company release an article saying that Japan has been losing it's cool. Other articles has also reported on this similar trend regarding Japan: Rocketnews24 article CNBC article The Atlantic article Nikkei Asian review article One thing I do notice is that Japanese language enrollment in US colleges/universities has face a decline for the last few years: Sources: ICEF Monitor, Inside higher Ed If anime was still popular, then there wouldn't be a decline in Japanese language enrollment in US college/universities. I don't have the data for worldwide. You might have noticed on the same chart that Korean language jumped up. That's because K-pop and K-drama did that: Voice of America article LA Times article NPR article KEIA article I talked to some anime bloggers and experts online and they agree that anime is losing it's appeal to international audiences due to the pandering to otaku (moe and fanservice). Also it doesn't help that I was told that anime industry don't care about the international audiences outside of Japan. And you just had to bring this irrelevant bullshit up yet again, right? OT: It's going upwards in both directions. The anime subculture in Japan is slowly but surely creeping itself into other subcultures (Tokyo and some other cities in Japan in general do a terrific job marketing it so it can flourish in other places not just Akiba) and in the West, Anime Expo's attendance figures show we're picking up on it too and more series are becoming licensed and dubbed faster. While probably not "mainstream" and probably never will be, anime isn't at all dying by any means. Only le born in the wrong generation grandpas think so. This includes quality (always subjective). |
AqutanJul 26, 2016 2:15 PM
It's relevent because it raises red flag from the anime fandom. I don't know what wrong with using foreign language enrollment as a source. I mean I talked to other anime fans online and they agreed with me when I showed them this. Show me the evidence that counter mine and I'll believe you. So far, whenever I talk to you about this, you don't even have evidence to counter mine. |
| @mdo7 But K-pop had some things like Psy and with his hit "Gangnam Style" that got billions of views and that's in 2012 right before the increase in 2013 which makes a lot of sense. Anime has never been as popular as aprox 2.6 billion views on a single thing (Correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt I am). Also, you're right with people that are hardcore fans wanting to learn said language, but is every fan of anime really "HARDCORE" fans? I do get your point though. Also if you look at overall numbers Japanese is still way more wanted than Korean (66k over 12k) It's as you say, we need more numbers to properly determine so. Edit: Fucking quotes, excuse me. |
Nagitoxhxc said: But K-pop had some things like Psy and with his hit "Gangnam Style" that got billions of views and that's in 2012 right before the increase in 2013 which makes a lot of sense. Anime has never been as popular as aprox 2.6 billion views on a single thing (Correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt I am). Also, you're right with people that are hardcore fans wanting to learn said language, but is every fan of anime really "HARDCORE" fans? I do get your point though. It wasn't only K-pop and PSY, K-dramas has also help made many people learn Korean. I mean South Korea is better at this marketing game then Japan which itself has a problem with marketing. Nagitoxhxc said: Also if you look at overall numbers Japanese is still way more wanted than Korean (66k over 12k) It's as you say, we need more numbers to properly determine so. The only reason Japanese language enrollment number was higher because of Japan's economic power. But that's not the point. The point is that Japanese language enrollment has declined while Korean language enrollment just went up at a time when foreign language enrollment is facing big decline. So yes, I need more data and statistic to verify and to make a conclusion. |
| I can definitely say it is getting more popular. Quality is subjective though |
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Nico- said: Either you don't know the diaspora exists and school districts/public-funded state universities have to create classes to enhance the diaspora's native language for future employment should they choose to work for chaebols or Korean businesses overseas, as well as the fact that more and more Koreans are actually leaving Korea for overseas because of questionable living situations... Or you probably don't care about Koreans at all, only just their pop culture. Then maybe you should explain this: How do you know non-Koreans aren't taking these classes too because of the popularity of K-pop and K-dramas. |
| Gaining popularity, becoming stagnant to appease the taste of ever growing casual market. |
mdo7 said: I didn't say anything about Korean though, as if I care.Yes Spanish has dropped as well. Just to let you know, Korean language has also increase worldwide which may include Latin/South America. |
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