Gintama° Episode 50 Discussion
Jul 2, 2016 7:33 AM
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This whole last paragraph just reads as you being a condescending prick and completely disregarding my opinion. Not even going to bother responding if you keep that up.
Calm down Mr. Hot Boiled Blooded-kun, you're being way too triggered for a small argument on internet. I've never disregarded your opinion, I'm disregarding your way of speaking though. I'll be posting on your profile rather than write here since you've actually listed down your problem rather than writing your frustration like in your previous post. Remember this is a discussion, let's not be angry over a discussion :)
Btw I didn't know you'd fall for a bait so hard
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He wasn't following orders, if you pay any attention to what was happening they clearly explained that he planned everything out and led everyone here in hopes to kill everyone off including himself and end the era of Samurai (which if you go back and watch the first few episodes of the original seasons of Gintama, that era is supposed to already be long gone and samurai are supposed to be virtually extinct already, but somewhere along the line the author of Gintama forgot everything about the original premise of this series and broke that plot point a loooong time ago so it's somewhat irrelevant in this context). Then, a few flashbacks later, suddenly he doesn't care about that anymore and he spontaneously tries to save the people he was literally up until a few moments ago trying to kill. That's not character development, that's bad writing.
Now I'm failing to understand what's the problem here. This might be more on a personal level for you so I can't really see what's the complaining about. It's normal for any series to have it's fair share of revelations.
The problem is that the anime leads you up to believe that she's a heartless killer who doesn't care about anyone, and then at breakneck speeds just spontaneously breaks that entire archetype they created for her, and she spontaneously starts acting like a human being. It's not the fact that she had a hidden personality that got revealed that bothered me, it's the fact that the way the story was written in which that hidden personality was revealed was extremely messy and very poorly written. After revealing that she's not so heartless deep down, they also reveal that she originally killed Sasaki's family, but then very quickly later retract that and go "oh nope actually she tried to save them". All of the flashbacks leading up to that were building on the fact that she killed his family, that she was some sort of "child of death", and then BAM out of nowhere they spontaneously reverse that and now she's actually just a good girl who tried to save everyone. So Sasaki and Nobume have known each other since her childhood, all this time with the idea that she had killed his family, and then randomly at the end of the episode Sasaki goes "oh but maybe that was wrong this entire time, this crazy idea just came to me that maybe you actually just tried to save them lol, its cool". This was never discussed between them before? They never had a conversation about this until just now? And if that was the case this entire time, why spend half the episode showing flashbacks holding back information in order to lead people to believe one thing, if you're just going to reverse that and say something completely different happened in the last half? Get real.
Adult Nobume had been portrayed to be a coldhearted killer "in the battlefield" Like a different variation of Sogo, hence the rivalary. Not once did I percieve her as an indiscriminate killer, nor have I noticed anyone seeing it that way. Both herself and Isaburo were introduced -and continued to act- as firm policemen with mysterious underlying motives, with the latter being the mastermind, and the former his faithful servant.
As for the flashback.. If my memory serves me right, the first time Nobume was officially revealed to have (presumably) murdered Isaburo's family, was the same scene in which she didn't defend herself, telling him to kill her as she teared up. That was foreshadowing in and by itself! Some identity or expression problems continued to persist within her as a result of being torn between Naraku's madness, Shoyo's noble teachings, and being used as a tool even by Isaburo. That made her come across as an emotionless weirdo who is hard to read.
Isaburo had conflicted feelings about her, as expressed in his occasional phrase "The bastard child of Death" He was subconciously conditioning himself to believe that she had been the assassin, an emotionless killing machine, so as to make it easier on himself to use her as a tool. His fatherly instincts gradually grew as he found himself attached to her. And so at one point in time, he changed her name from Mukuro (Corpse/Skeleton), to Nobume (Girl of Faith) a name he intended for his daughter. It's bittersweet, because Isaboru was in the end of the day an asshole. A likeable asshole whose bitter feelings for revenge, which entailed using Nobume as a tool, outweighed his feelings of love. And perhaps he also couldn't muster the courage to confess. He's a likeable fallen hero whose backstory is genuinely heartbreaking. I appreciate how he didn't direct his anger and sadness towards the destruction of everything, unlike the emotional-wreck that is Takasugi.
Each to their own but I found their story unique, coherent, and beautiful.
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I was crying so much when I thought Kondo was dead, that scene with Kondo's face showing on Gintoki's was brilliant.
The entire episode was brilliant actually, the death scene was extremely sad but done extremely well and it was nice to know that Nobume wasn't responsible for the massacre.
The animation and the music were great.
Second saddest episode so far, behind 305, glad there was still a tiny bit of comedy (Let's just go with "Vag***.").
Fuck Oboro and Utsuro.
All of this. ^^^
Cried my damn eyes out, then freaking burst out laughing while still crying at the Vag name text and Sasaki’s expression when reading it! Gintama bringing out all the emotions.
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