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Mar 1, 2015 4:55 AM
#41
Seems I can't even read roman numerals right tonight. |
Mar 1, 2015 6:21 AM
#42
Ckan said: This episode also starts off with a tiny snippet from Volume 7: Battle of Loum. Imateria said: This'll be covering volumes 5,6 and 7 of the manga and seems to be a pretty faithful adaptation. Episode1 shows only the first half of Vol 5. ex_necross said: They are taking it rather slow pace-wise too, which makes me feel like a full Origin adaptation won't ever happen. Hope I'm wrong. Ckan said: This episode also starts off with a tiny snippet from Volume 8: Battle of Loum. That's 7. The battle of Loum will be episode 4. 8 is Odessa. I'm glad I asked. Thanks for letting me know. Greatly appreaciated! |
Mar 1, 2015 6:30 AM
#43
loved it. now lets just hope its not 6 months + for the next ep. also loved it when little Char said he'd grow up and make them all bow down to him. |
Hokuto_no_FuzzMar 1, 2015 6:35 AM
Mar 1, 2015 7:20 AM
#44
ex_necross said: I'd be lying if I said that this didn't make me cry :(Tokoya said: Zapredon said: Tokoya said: I've never seen the Original UC Gundam series so I have no idea what to expect. However I kept on hearing about this Char person and after watching this I get why he is so popular It's late and I'm too tired to get into full detail but I liked this A LOT Char = Japanese Darth Vader Not only the best villain but also the best character in the entire Gundam universe. My hype is over 9000 atm xD ex_necross said: viccior said: Is it preferable to watch the original series before this? I suppose it's not mandatory but if I enjoy this more watching the original first I'll do that, cause I had it in mind anyway. Thanks! This is going to take 2 years to complete, and this is only one arc of the novel. Just watch the original if you want to because waiting for the OVA will take ages. 2 years is the best case scenario. Episode 2 is going to be Fall 2015, so hopefully episode 3 is this time next year, and episode 4 will be Fall 2016. Of course, Unicorn was initially on this same schedule then went to a 1 episode per year schedule.. And this is just gonna be volumes V-VII of the manga. Who knows how long it would take to get a full adaptation. |
Mar 1, 2015 7:21 AM
#45
Anyone knows why Kycilia is fully grown in here? I mean, she was 24 in 0079. This is set in 0068. She's supposed to be 13 in this setting... |
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Mar 1, 2015 7:36 AM
#46
carboncopy said: I suppose it'd make sense if Yasuhiko bumped up her age to let him start on the Zabi feuding early. That, or he didn't check up on the official info - it could be an undertandable mistake given how aged she comes across in MSG.Anyone knows why Kycilia is fully grown in here? I mean, she was 24 in 0079. This is set in 0068. She's supposed to be 13 in this setting... |
Mar 1, 2015 8:12 AM
#47
Ckan said: carboncopy said: I suppose it'd make sense if Yasuhiko bumped up her age to let him start on the Zabi feuding early. That, or he didn't check up on the official info - it could be an undertandable mistake given how aged she comes across in MSG.Anyone knows why Kycilia is fully grown in here? I mean, she was 24 in 0079. This is set in 0068. She's supposed to be 13 in this setting... Lol she did look around 40 in the original. First one is a poor reason to twist pre-established canon though. I hope it wasn't on purpose because that's just bad writing. =/ |
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Mar 1, 2015 8:23 AM
#48
carboncopy said: Ckan said: carboncopy said: Anyone knows why Kycilia is fully grown in here? I mean, she was 24 in 0079. This is set in 0068. She's supposed to be 13 in this setting... Lol she did look around 40 in the original. First one is a poor reason to twist pre-established canon though. I hope it wasn't on purpose because that's just bad writing. =/ I hope you don't expect Origin to follow the original. There's a ton of shit that was changed. |
Mar 1, 2015 8:30 AM
#49
ex_necross said: carboncopy said: Ckan said: carboncopy said: I suppose it'd make sense if Yasuhiko bumped up her age to let him start on the Zabi feuding early. That, or he didn't check up on the official info - it could be an undertandable mistake given how aged she comes across in MSG.Anyone knows why Kycilia is fully grown in here? I mean, she was 24 in 0079. This is set in 0068. She's supposed to be 13 in this setting... Lol she did look around 40 in the original. First one is a poor reason to twist pre-established canon though. I hope it wasn't on purpose because that's just bad writing. =/ I hope you don't expect Origin to follow the original. There's a ton of shit that was changed. Ah, if that's the case then I probably shouldn't. I'm still weirded out by Kycilia's nude scene though... |
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Mar 1, 2015 8:40 AM
#50
carboncopy said: ex_necross said: carboncopy said: Ckan said: carboncopy said: I suppose it'd make sense if Yasuhiko bumped up her age to let him start on the Zabi feuding early. That, or he didn't check up on the official info - it could be an undertandable mistake given how aged she comes across in MSG.Anyone knows why Kycilia is fully grown in here? I mean, she was 24 in 0079. This is set in 0068. She's supposed to be 13 in this setting... Lol she did look around 40 in the original. First one is a poor reason to twist pre-established canon though. I hope it wasn't on purpose because that's just bad writing. =/ I hope you don't expect Origin to follow the original. There's a ton of shit that was changed. Ah, if that's the case then I probably shouldn't. I'm still weirded out by Kycilia's nude scene though... The giant block nipple was pretty weird. I don't know why the closeup was censored though, these are OVAs, plus they already showed them just moments before. But seriously wtf |
ex_necrossMar 1, 2015 8:45 AM
Mar 1, 2015 2:03 PM
#51
Prior to watching this, all of my knowledge about Gundam was contained in this 90-second clip of Episode 19 of "Lucky Star" (2007). This was when the otaku high school girl Konata and her father were discussing the Gundam franchise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duwMRwDCvFE With the exception of "Project A-ko" (1986), I have never had any interest in the Mecha genre. |
Mar 1, 2015 2:33 PM
#52
carboncopy said: ex_necross said: carboncopy said: Ckan said: carboncopy said: I suppose it'd make sense if Yasuhiko bumped up her age to let him start on the Zabi feuding early. That, or he didn't check up on the official info - it could be an undertandable mistake given how aged she comes across in MSG.Anyone knows why Kycilia is fully grown in here? I mean, she was 24 in 0079. This is set in 0068. She's supposed to be 13 in this setting... Lol she did look around 40 in the original. First one is a poor reason to twist pre-established canon though. I hope it wasn't on purpose because that's just bad writing. =/ I hope you don't expect Origin to follow the original. There's a ton of shit that was changed. Ah, if that's the case then I probably shouldn't. I'm still weirded out by Kycilia's nude scene though... The whole point of The Origin is that it's a reworking of MSG by one of it's original creaters. There are a lot of minor and major changes, e.g. the White Base crew is considerably larger with many more named characters, the Jaburo Arc happens before Odessa (sending them down the Pacific coast makes a lot more sense than circuling the earth to get from the USA to the Amazon), the Feds already have Mobile Suits by the start of the war (the Guncannon and Guntank) but they are wildely outclassed by the Zaku I & II, and there are a lot of characters that are a lot better fleshed out rather than just standing there for a few epsiodes. The result of the changes Yoshikazu Yasuhiko has made is that it's actually a better story than the original without being wildely different and breaking the continuity (so far nothing I've read contradicts events of the other main UC series or OVA's like 8th MS Team or Zeta Gundam). Making Gihren, Kycilia and Dozle older makes a lot of sense as well sinse it means they have a much greater role in the establishment of the Zabi fmaily as the rulers of the Principality of Zeon. |
Mar 1, 2015 2:57 PM
#53
I need to read the manga but I want to save up money and buy those awesome hardcover volume ones! Loved the first episode and now we wait... |
Mar 1, 2015 8:05 PM
#54
Char's characterization as a child is great. Sayla is whatever. Her expressions are pretty ridiculous. Ral's Ral. Kycillia could use more subtlety. Loum was nice, because Zaku II's. Don't care much for the CG. Definitely out of place though, and probably no more than a hook. I may even prefer certain aspects of IGLOO's take on Loum. Regardless, good stuff. I suppose it's a good time to catch up on the manga. |
Sieg Zeon! |
Mar 2, 2015 2:02 PM
#55
Seeing so many people get their first exposure to Gundam here and finally seeing what its actually like and appreciating it is pretty interesting to see. I still think Bandai is doing an absolutely all time horrendous job of getting it exposure in the West and it could be getting so much more as a franchise if they were willing to get their heads out of there asses with regard to distribution. Like there's so much potential for it to really start to take off here again like it did during the Wing and 00 eras given the vibes I see off of the U.C OVAs but they just refuse to allow sites like Crunchyroll (where let's be honest the vast majority of Western anime fandom now gets its exposure to anime from) carry it. Like so much wasted opportunity it blows my mind. |
Mar 2, 2015 2:04 PM
#56
i cannot look past the cast |
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Mar 2, 2015 3:09 PM
#57
Kaioshin_Sama said: Seeing so many people get their first exposure to Gundam here and finally seeing what its actually like and appreciating it is pretty interesting to see. I still think Bandai is doing an absolutely all time horrendous job of getting it exposure in the West and it could be getting so much more as a franchise if they were willing to get their heads out of there asses with regard to distribution. Like there's so much potential for it to really start to take off here again like it did during the Wing and 00 eras given the vibes I see off of the U.C OVAs but they just refuse to allow sites like Crunchyroll (where let's be honest the vast majority of Western anime fandom now gets its exposure to anime from) carry it. Like so much wasted opportunity it blows my mind. But if it gets big here.. "Gundam by Michael Bay, coming to a theater near you!" I can do without the mainstream Western audience.. that would change Gundam as we know it, and by change I mean ruin. It's not the same as 14 years ago when Toonami aired G, Wing, and 0079 here in the states. But yes, Bandai are morons and the potential for Gundam to get big in the West is definitely there. I'd just rather it stay in Japan. I'll take the Turn A dub we were promised though. |
Mar 3, 2015 12:27 AM
#58
ex_necross said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Seeing so many people get their first exposure to Gundam here and finally seeing what its actually like and appreciating it is pretty interesting to see. I still think Bandai is doing an absolutely all time horrendous job of getting it exposure in the West and it could be getting so much more as a franchise if they were willing to get their heads out of there asses with regard to distribution. Like there's so much potential for it to really start to take off here again like it did during the Wing and 00 eras given the vibes I see off of the U.C OVAs but they just refuse to allow sites like Crunchyroll (where let's be honest the vast majority of Western anime fandom now gets its exposure to anime from) carry it. Like so much wasted opportunity it blows my mind. But if it gets big here.. "Gundam by Michael Bay, coming to a theater near you!" I can do without the mainstream Western audience.. that would change Gundam as we know it, and by change I mean ruin. It's not the same as 14 years ago when Toonami aired G, Wing, and 0079 here in the states. But yes, Bandai are morons and the potential for Gundam to get big in the West is definitely there. I'd just rather it stay in Japan. I'll take the Turn A dub we were promised though. I don't mean mainstream big but like getting attention from the Western anime community sort of big. First it would have to start by getting any sort of traction with them again first. |
Mar 3, 2015 1:57 AM
#59
ex_necross said: The giant block nipple was pretty weird. I don't know why the closeup was censored though, these are OVAs, plus they already showed them just moments before. But seriously wtf Not the reason why I was weirded out, but yeah that is weird. I can only guess that it's some new style of censoring. Imateria said: The whole point of The Origin is that it's a reworking of MSG by one of it's original creaters. There are a lot of minor and major changes, e.g. the White Base crew is considerably larger with many more named characters, the Jaburo Arc happens before Odessa (sending them down the Pacific coast makes a lot more sense than circuling the earth to get from the USA to the Amazon), the Feds already have Mobile Suits by the start of the war (the Guncannon and Guntank) but they are wildely outclassed by the Zaku I & II, and there are a lot of characters that are a lot better fleshed out rather than just standing there for a few epsiodes. The result of the changes Yoshikazu Yasuhiko has made is that it's actually a better story than the original without being wildely different and breaking the continuity (so far nothing I've read contradicts events of the other main UC series or OVA's like 8th MS Team or Zeta Gundam). Making Gihren, Kycilia and Dozle older makes a lot of sense as well sinse it means they have a much greater role in the establishment of the Zabi fmaily as the rulers of the Principality of Zeon. iirc, the reason the White Base went west through the Pacific was because they were deep behind enemy lines. I don't remember the original giving more details as to how far Zeon's influence is in North, Central and even north-western South America so I don't think there's a clear case to say if it really was a bad decision. Even if it's just the whole USA Zeon has controlled, getting as far away as possible from the enemy still makes sense when their exit off the continent is Seattle. And, this is merely conjecture, but it's also possible that the White Base, without their knowledge, was already being directed westward by the higher ups as a preparation for Odessa. The strategy was to outflank Zeon after all and they were responsible for the eastern flank. Anyway, I've gotten a bit off-tangent there. Maybe it's just me, but changing their ages already counts as wildly different because it confuses canon. And (if I'm remembering it right) there are side stories that mentions that the Federation only had jet fighters, balls, tanks and artillery against the Zakus, so the existence of Guntanks contradicts them. Also, there was an instance of "Sieg Zeon" in the episode. That phrase shouldn't make sense until 0079. But really, I just wanted my non-comedic Kycilia-tan. :( |
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Mar 3, 2015 4:28 AM
#60
carboncopy said: And (if I'm remembering it right) there are side stories that mentions that the Federation only had jet fighters, balls, tanks and artillery against the Zakus, so the existence of Guntanks contradicts them. RTX-65 is considered as tank in Origin, not mobile suit. :D 1st said: Federation tanks are exchanging fire! |
masagratorMar 3, 2015 4:35 AM
Mar 3, 2015 6:26 AM
#61
Holy sh*t, that was really good. The space battle was goddamn good. If all Gundam series were like this I would overloaded with happiness. Totally 10/10. Ramba Ral was good-looking LOL, unlike when he is 35 :) Loli Sayla is cute :) |
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Mar 3, 2015 7:25 AM
#62
carboncopy said: ex_necross said: The giant block nipple was pretty weird. I don't know why the closeup was censored though, these are OVAs, plus they already showed them just moments before. But seriously wtf Not the reason why I was weirded out, but yeah that is weird. I can only guess that it's some new style of censoring. Imateria said: The whole point of The Origin is that it's a reworking of MSG by one of it's original creaters. There are a lot of minor and major changes, e.g. the White Base crew is considerably larger with many more named characters, the Jaburo Arc happens before Odessa (sending them down the Pacific coast makes a lot more sense than circuling the earth to get from the USA to the Amazon), the Feds already have Mobile Suits by the start of the war (the Guncannon and Guntank) but they are wildely outclassed by the Zaku I & II, and there are a lot of characters that are a lot better fleshed out rather than just standing there for a few epsiodes. The result of the changes Yoshikazu Yasuhiko has made is that it's actually a better story than the original without being wildely different and breaking the continuity (so far nothing I've read contradicts events of the other main UC series or OVA's like 8th MS Team or Zeta Gundam). Making Gihren, Kycilia and Dozle older makes a lot of sense as well sinse it means they have a much greater role in the establishment of the Zabi fmaily as the rulers of the Principality of Zeon. iirc, the reason the White Base went west through the Pacific was because they were deep behind enemy lines. I don't remember the original giving more details as to how far Zeon's influence is in North, Central and even north-western South America so I don't think there's a clear case to say if it really was a bad decision. Even if it's just the whole USA Zeon has controlled, getting as far away as possible from the enemy still makes sense when their exit off the continent is Seattle. And, this is merely conjecture, but it's also possible that the White Base, without their knowledge, was already being directed westward by the higher ups as a preparation for Odessa. The strategy was to outflank Zeon after all and they were responsible for the eastern flank. Anyway, I've gotten a bit off-tangent there. Maybe it's just me, but changing their ages already counts as wildly different because it confuses canon. And (if I'm remembering it right) there are side stories that mentions that the Federation only had jet fighters, balls, tanks and artillery against the Zakus, so the existence of Guntanks contradicts them. Also, there was an instance of "Sieg Zeon" in the episode. That phrase shouldn't make sense until 0079. But really, I just wanted my non-comedic Kycilia-tan. :( The original stated that all of North America was under Zeon control, and though you're probably right about the higher ups in the anime wanting the White Base as a distraction on M'Quve's rear line it actually didn't end up as much of one except for when Amuro came across M'Quve and Kycilia by accident. When you think about it, the need for an extended supply line to an experimental ship and mobile weapons in the middle of Asia doesn't make a lot of sense. I disagree about the changing of their ages. If you just go by watching the anime you'll never know that Kycilia is meant to be 24 (she looks more like 40) and Ramba Ral is 35 (he looks more like 55, Build Fighters even joked about this in their first season). There's also a line after Kycilia reveals she know's Char's identity that she remembers bouncing him on her knee, if she's only a couple years older than him that wasn't actually likely to happen. By wildely different I meant that the major events still all happen, with only a slight change around in their order on earth, and there's nothing like Zeon winning, or Char, Bright and Amuro being killed off which would make Zeta etc impossible. Yes, one of the main points of 0079 was that the Guntank, Guncannon and Gundam were prototypes in the V Project created to counteract the Zeon's Zaku II's which had been kicking their asses for the last 9 months (Balls where actually introduced at the same time as the GM, they were just cheaper and quicker to make at a time when the Feds needed as many units as possible for the counter attack). It's definitely the single biggest change between 0079 and The Origin, having Guntanks (which were never really mobile suits to begin with) and Guncannon's around before the OYW, but personally I really like the change, it adds a lot to Tem Ray's backstory and how he developed the Gundam. It also serves to make the White Base better armed with more 3 each of the Gincannon and tank, which in itself works better for the story. I don't think Origin was ever meant to be am exact reproduction of the original anime, if it was I doubt Yoshikazu Yasuhiko would have been interested, but more of a retelling and whether it's meant to be a retconning of 0079's cannon or not is debatable. As for Sieg Zeon, it's litteraly the equivelant of "Heil Hitler", with Zeon Zum Deikun the recently deceased charismatic leader of the Republic of Munzo and Gihren Zabi and the Zabi controlled Republic/Principality of Munzo/Zeon being a ratehr unsubtle Hitler and Nazi Germany analogue it's not at all surprising to see that phrase in use well before Garma's funeral. |
Mar 3, 2015 8:53 AM
#63
masagrator said: carboncopy said: And (if I'm remembering it right) there are side stories that mentions that the Federation only had jet fighters, balls, tanks and artillery against the Zakus, so the existence of Guntanks contradicts them. RTX-65 is considered as tank in Origin, not mobile suit. :D 1st said: Federation tanks are exchanging fire! Wiki disagrees though. Then again, the term "Mobile Suit" most likely doesn't exist yet so they're still calling them tanks. Imateria said: carboncopy said: ex_necross said: The giant block nipple was pretty weird. I don't know why the closeup was censored though, these are OVAs, plus they already showed them just moments before. But seriously wtf Not the reason why I was weirded out, but yeah that is weird. I can only guess that it's some new style of censoring. Imateria said: The whole point of The Origin is that it's a reworking of MSG by one of it's original creaters. There are a lot of minor and major changes, e.g. the White Base crew is considerably larger with many more named characters, the Jaburo Arc happens before Odessa (sending them down the Pacific coast makes a lot more sense than circuling the earth to get from the USA to the Amazon), the Feds already have Mobile Suits by the start of the war (the Guncannon and Guntank) but they are wildely outclassed by the Zaku I & II, and there are a lot of characters that are a lot better fleshed out rather than just standing there for a few epsiodes. The result of the changes Yoshikazu Yasuhiko has made is that it's actually a better story than the original without being wildely different and breaking the continuity (so far nothing I've read contradicts events of the other main UC series or OVA's like 8th MS Team or Zeta Gundam). Making Gihren, Kycilia and Dozle older makes a lot of sense as well sinse it means they have a much greater role in the establishment of the Zabi fmaily as the rulers of the Principality of Zeon. iirc, the reason the White Base went west through the Pacific was because they were deep behind enemy lines. I don't remember the original giving more details as to how far Zeon's influence is in North, Central and even north-western South America so I don't think there's a clear case to say if it really was a bad decision. Even if it's just the whole USA Zeon has controlled, getting as far away as possible from the enemy still makes sense when their exit off the continent is Seattle. And, this is merely conjecture, but it's also possible that the White Base, without their knowledge, was already being directed westward by the higher ups as a preparation for Odessa. The strategy was to outflank Zeon after all and they were responsible for the eastern flank. Anyway, I've gotten a bit off-tangent there. Maybe it's just me, but changing their ages already counts as wildly different because it confuses canon. And (if I'm remembering it right) there are side stories that mentions that the Federation only had jet fighters, balls, tanks and artillery against the Zakus, so the existence of Guntanks contradicts them. Also, there was an instance of "Sieg Zeon" in the episode. That phrase shouldn't make sense until 0079. But really, I just wanted my non-comedic Kycilia-tan. :( The original stated that all of North America was under Zeon control, and though you're probably right about the higher ups in the anime wanting the White Base as a distraction on M'Quve's rear line it actually didn't end up as much of one except for when Amuro came across M'Quve and Kycilia by accident. When you think about it, the need for an extended supply line to an experimental ship and mobile weapons in the middle of Asia doesn't make a lot of sense. I disagree about the changing of their ages. If you just go by watching the anime you'll never know that Kycilia is meant to be 24 (she looks more like 40) and Ramba Ral is 35 (he looks more like 55, Build Fighters even joked about this in their first season). There's also a line after Kycilia reveals she know's Char's identity that she remembers bouncing him on her knee, if she's only a couple years older than him that wasn't actually likely to happen. By wildely different I meant that the major events still all happen, with only a slight change around in their order on earth, and there's nothing like Zeon winning, or Char, Bright and Amuro being killed off which would make Zeta etc impossible. Yes, one of the main points of 0079 was that the Guntank, Guncannon and Gundam were prototypes in the V Project created to counteract the Zeon's Zaku II's which had been kicking their asses for the last 9 months (Balls where actually introduced at the same time as the GM, they were just cheaper and quicker to make at a time when the Feds needed as many units as possible for the counter attack). It's definitely the single biggest change between 0079 and The Origin, having Guntanks (which were never really mobile suits to begin with) and Guncannon's around before the OYW, but personally I really like the change, it adds a lot to Tem Ray's backstory and how he developed the Gundam. It also serves to make the White Base better armed with more 3 each of the Gincannon and tank, which in itself works better for the story. I don't think Origin was ever meant to be am exact reproduction of the original anime, if it was I doubt Yoshikazu Yasuhiko would have been interested, but more of a retelling and whether it's meant to be a retconning of 0079's cannon or not is debatable. As for Sieg Zeon, it's litteraly the equivelant of "Heil Hitler", with Zeon Zum Deikun the recently deceased charismatic leader of the Republic of Munzo and Gihren Zabi and the Zabi controlled Republic/Principality of Munzo/Zeon being a ratehr unsubtle Hitler and Nazi Germany analogue it's not at all surprising to see that phrase in use well before Garma's funeral. While I agree supplying the White Base was a logistical nightmare, they were serving their purpose in keeping Zeon's attention to them so Revil can go prepare for Odessa. Not to mention the White Base and its mobile suits were prototypes producing great results so they wanted to get as much data as they can with them. I don't really see why it wouldn't make sense... Eh, I guess we can just conclude whether the changes are good depends on person to person. I agree they don't look their ages (Gundam-san pokes fun at this too; Kycilia is very sensitive about her looks in there), but I'm just gonna point back to the canon again. And as for "Sieg Zeon", I can agree it's some sort of a "Heil Hitler". Yeah, Gihren is likened to Hitler and Zeon to Nazi Germany. But, it means "Victorious Zeon"; it's supposed to be directed to the nation itself, which doesn't exist yet, and wouldn't make sense to chant to Deikun who is dead. |
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Mar 3, 2015 7:15 PM
#64
Not bad. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Young Ramba ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Young Hamon Not to mention they were both badass. Can't complain. Quite a few questionable directing choices here and there... rather odd pacing throughout, somewhat dissonant voice acting at times, really inconsistent mood/atmosphere and a few shots that would have been better had they been done traditionally, though the CG was otherwise fantastic. I like how the Guntank recoils, with a pitch and backwards motion. Little touches like that really help to make it seem big and powerful, and are generally absent from Gundam. Also, Hamon was bitchin' badass. This can't be repeated often enough. 4/5. |
Mar 3, 2015 10:38 PM
#65
I thought just about everything was great but I had one major gripe/concern and that was how they portrayed Zeon Deikun. Throughout the whole Universal Century of Gundam he's painted as a benevolent philosopher who wanted to help humanity move forward in peace and mutual understanding through Newtype evolution but who also had himself and his romantic ideals buried+twisted by politics/political ambitions (of the Zabis). In a nutshell at least. The Origin ep 1 basically from what I can tell depicted him as some raving fanatic who didn't care about any of that Newtype theory/helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence and merely wanted to wage war on those who live on earth. He flat out says "This just asks for more autonomy! That's not what I want! I want to wage war on all earthnoids!". I've seen, become invested, and have fallen in love with UC gundam and that sounds like a very iffy if not misleading portrayal of the character and what he stands for/what he symbolizes and how that plays into the future. That aside though it Origin was great. Never knew Kycilia was such a babe in her youth. |
Mar 4, 2015 1:18 AM
#66
Champloo_Remix said: I thought just about everything was great but I had one major gripe/concern and that was how they portrayed Zeon Deikun. Throughout the whole Universal Century of Gundam he's painted as a benevolent philosopher who wanted to help humanity move forward in peace and mutual understanding through Newtype evolution but who also had himself and his romantic ideals buried+twisted by politics/political ambitions (of the Zabis). In a nutshell at least. The Origin ep 1 basically from what I can tell depicted him as some raving fanatic who didn't care about any of that Newtype theory/helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence and merely wanted to wage war on those who live on earth. He flat out says "This just asks for more autonomy! That's not what I want! I want to wage war on all earthnoids!". I've seen, become invested, and have fallen in love with UC gundam and that sounds like a very iffy if not misleading portrayal of the character and what he stands for/what he symbolizes and how that plays into the future. I definitely think Yasuhiko's portrayal of Zeon Deikun comes across as heavy-handed, and perhaps contrary to what the original show and its sequels might've implied - and it's not the only part of Yas's version of (past) events that I'm not so keen on. We should definitely consider his person in The Origin as likely distorted to some level from his stress and possible poisoning - but after meeting his raving wife, it does seem that Yas does envision the man as quite fanatical - whether or not he's only totally gone off the rails in these end days - who knows. On the other-hand, it might be going too far to take the idea of a visionary and truly prophetical Zeon Deikun at face value. His mentions in the anime have always been indirect - almost entirely second-hand at best - and I'm unsure as to whether he ever had any scientific basis on which he foretold the coming of Newtypes, or whether it was purely wishful and coincidentally correct thinking on his part. In fact, post 0079, wasn't the only real proponent of Deikun's ideas Char? The events surrounding his speech at Dakar being the only time I remember Zeon being truly drawn on. It seems unlikely that a young Casval would have been able of inheriting Zeon's ideas directly - and there's a level of questionability to how faithful Char takes Zeon's ideas given his extreme actions in CCA as well. But certainly, that would also play back into the line of Zeon's ideas being distorted and misused by others, and the whole Char / Sayla conflict could definitely be a literal showing of that. But I'd definitely be careful about thinking of Deikun only as a person who sought to "helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence", because speeches made by Deikun as found in Tomino's novels make him come off as somewhat radical in his beliefs. His assertions on spacenoids becoming Newtypes might be harmless enough - positive and thoughtful (if only given real credence with the actual later appearance of the magica newtypes) - but coupled with his views on the complete preservation of the earth and his sometimes supernatural rhetoric - there's definitely room for a somewhat more unpleasant and unhinged man behind the positive revolutionary ideas he brings. Of course, the novels diverge quite a bit from the anime, so there's that to consider too, but I think that in the end there's quite possibly a significant difference between the portrayal of positive newtypes in the anime - and what the actual ideas of Zeon may have meant for him. |
Mar 4, 2015 5:25 AM
#67
I deffinitely felt that Deikun's dialogue was a bit hamfisted . I can see him coming across as a bit mad, particualrly under the stress of leading Side 3 towards autonamy whilst pushing his Newtype Theory, but he's never before been protrayed as war monger. I suspect the use of the word war was meant more as a metaphore than an actual statement of intent and would fit better into what little we know of him. In 0079 Degwin Zabi specifically says that Deikun was able to lead a social revolutionamongst the people of Side 3 but was incapable of leading a polotical, or if needed military, revolution to truly change things which is why he felt the need to step up and take over (via assassination). I agree that since his death no other group has remotley espoused Newtype theory properly. The Zeon and Hamarn's/Glemy's Neo Zeon where both twisting it to serve their own ends and while there's a definite undercurrent of it within the AEUG, defeating the Titans and gaining autonamy was a more immediate concern. Scirocco may have been a believer but was completely involved with the Titans for his own egotistical reasons. As for Char, I think the only time he truly followed Newtypeism was during his time in the AEUG, but by the time he came to lead Neo Zeon he'd become rather sowered on humanity due to the events of the Gryps conflict and first Neo Zeon war. Maybe that just leaves Hathaway Noa and Mafty? |
Mar 4, 2015 7:13 AM
#68
Ckan said: Champloo_Remix said: I thought just about everything was great but I had one major gripe/concern and that was how they portrayed Zeon Deikun. Throughout the whole Universal Century of Gundam he's painted as a benevolent philosopher who wanted to help humanity move forward in peace and mutual understanding through Newtype evolution but who also had himself and his romantic ideals buried+twisted by politics/political ambitions (of the Zabis). In a nutshell at least. The Origin ep 1 basically from what I can tell depicted him as some raving fanatic who didn't care about any of that Newtype theory/helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence and merely wanted to wage war on those who live on earth. He flat out says "This just asks for more autonomy! That's not what I want! I want to wage war on all earthnoids!". I've seen, become invested, and have fallen in love with UC gundam and that sounds like a very iffy if not misleading portrayal of the character and what he stands for/what he symbolizes and how that plays into the future. I definitely think Yasuhiko's portrayal of Zeon Deikun comes across as heavy-handed, and perhaps contrary to what the original show and its sequels might've implied - and it's not the only part of Yas's version of (past) events that I'm not so keen on. We should definitely consider his person in The Origin as likely distorted to some level from his stress and possible poisoning - but after meeting his raving wife, it does seem that Yas does envision the man as quite fanatical - whether or not he's only totally gone off the rails in these end days - who knows. On the other-hand, it might be going too far to take the idea of a visionary and truly prophetical Zeon Deikun at face value. His mentions in the anime have always been indirect - almost entirely second-hand at best - and I'm unsure as to whether he ever had any scientific basis on which he foretold the coming of Newtypes, or whether it was purely wishful and coincidentally correct thinking on his part. In fact, post 0079, wasn't the only real proponent of Deikun's ideas Char? The events surrounding his speech at Dakar being the only time I remember Zeon being truly drawn on. It seems unlikely that a young Casval would have been able of inheriting Zeon's ideas directly - and there's a level of questionability to how faithful Char takes Zeon's ideas given his extreme actions in CCA as well. But certainly, that would also play back into the line of Zeon's ideas being distorted and misused by others, and the whole Char / Sayla conflict could definitely be a literal showing of that. But I'd definitely be careful about thinking of Deikun only as a person who sought to "helping humanity move forward past its dark history/cycle of violence", because speeches made by Deikun as found in Tomino's novels make him come off as somewhat radical in his beliefs. His assertions on spacenoids becoming Newtypes might be harmless enough - positive and thoughtful (if only given real credence with the actual later appearance of the magica newtypes) - but coupled with his views on the complete preservation of the earth and his sometimes supernatural rhetoric - there's definitely room for a somewhat more unpleasant and unhinged man behind the positive revolutionary ideas he brings. Of course, the novels diverge quite a bit from the anime, so there's that to consider too, but I think that in the end there's quite possibly a significant difference between the portrayal of positive newtypes in the anime - and what the actual ideas of Zeon may have meant for him. Yeah I get you. I'd honestly say though that imo I think whether or not Zeon's theory had any scientific backing/substance to it on Zeon's part isn't too important and we can't really prove or tell whether or not him being on the right track/ahead of his time was coincidental or if he really knew what he was talking about (I'd like to think it's the latter considering how throughout most of UC we see spacenoids evolve as newtypes and culminates in possibly Unicorn when we see what a "true Newtype" is or the possible realization of what Deikun felt every person could be. I feel like Deikun was too on the money for it to be him taking philosophic potshots. Naturally his theory was supernatural by anyone's standards but when Newtypes emerge it all starts becoming very tangible/very real imo. If you ask me I'd tell you the Dakar Speech is an instance where Char shows that he's his father's son (also Unicorn's heavy philosophizing on Newtypes in the manner that was done makes the viewer covertly analyze Deikun's philosophies imo) but also I feel like CCA is the most important example as he chooses to follow in his father's footsteps and goes about embracing those ideals in the way he thought best. The core of CCA was that Char had realized through his past experiences in the story that the best thing for humanity was to move everyone out into space so that as per Newtype theory everyone would eventually become Newtypes and achieve a mutual understanding with each other therefore minimizing or eliminating the dark history (lol I like that reference so I think I'll keep using it) humanity was creating for itself. He realized that Earthnoids' souls were "weighed down by Earth's gravity" (basically so unwilling to detach themselves from the planet Earth) that the only realistic way to achieve this to do what he did (the objective of his actions wasn't to kill Earthnoids but primarily to give the Earthnoids to other choice but to migrate to space). You get the sense he knows that it's morally wrong but in a world of gray, not black and white sometimes morality potentially contradicts yielding the better result in the longrun. You get the sense that Char has knowingly accepted that he'll be written in the history books as a madman and a loon but is willing to sacrifice his name, dignity, and place in history among other things to achieve what a different perspective might consider a greater good for humanity. But I digress (heavily lol), my point is that Char's philosophy in CCA was very much predicated on him following his father's footsteps/taking up the Deikun name once again as well as being able to buy into the Newtype theory 100% based off of his previous experiences. Also I think on a more underlying level throughout UC various characters and factions attempt to determine both what a Newtype is and what they mean for the human race (Like Imateria just mentioned). You see all kinds of twists on this that twist or disregard Deikun's original theory. Now to be frank I haven't read the novels or much of the literary works so for me Gundam canon is (mostly) just the animated works so I'll have to check more of that out but based off of what they bring up at various points in the anime story I feel like that's how they portray him. Deikun's ideals may have been out there initially but he wanted to better mankind as a whole and for the future. All in all I see what you're saying though. I can see how they could put that twist on it but I just feel like in regards to it being a part of Gundam canon in UC Deikun being a warmongering nutjob throws a lot on its head thematically and among other things creates a lot of contradictory vibes and characterization in Char in the forthcoming chronology especially in CCA. Essentially to sum most of my fluff up I think Deikun's philosophy and character while a bit mysterious in the story has always been at the core of the story's theme/motif of Newtypes if only because there are so many interpretations of his original theory (knowingly or not) and the role Newtypes do an can play in the human race. I can see how there's room for what you're saying but just based off of the anime canon I feel like Deikun's psychopathic portrayal undermines quite a bit in terms of the future chronology/story. I don't think Deikun is a saint either as Gundam UC does a great job of creating rather grey characters but he's always been depicted as a benefactor who at his core wanted humanity to evolve past war and violence through Newtype evolution. Now how easily/realistically that movement can be achieved is whole other discussion entirely (and part of me thinks that the only realistic way for that to happen was for someone to do something like what was done in CCA; the closest thing we have to seeing what might have been in that regard is the ending of the 00 Trailblazer film where that future seems to be more on the utopian side) considering how Earthnoids' souls' are weighed down by earth's gravity. But more or less Deikun being depicted as a nutcase makes the viewer (especially if Origins is their gateway into UC in which case this totally misleads them imo) believe that Deikun was only passionate about being at war with the Earthnoids and didn't talk much sense (passion in hindsight which is the kind of what the Newtype theory looks to move past so that's contradictory in itself). I kind of wish it was like you said and went mad due to poison and exhaustion. It would almost make things a LITTLE better for me but I don't think that was the intention as I think they would've/could've made that a little more clear by having him cough, look physically deteriorated, etc. in between his talks of raining hellfire on the Earthnoids and Gaia. |
Mar 4, 2015 5:10 PM
#69
^Like I said, definitely a bit hamfisted with his portrayel in the anime there. He wasn't even like that in the manga where he raged about his speach being inadequit to convey his thoughts and stir up revolution, but no mention was ever made of war. Heck, it's seen in a flashback and isn't remotely made clear what speach it would be or when it would be given where the anime clearly puts it as being the night before his death. |
Mar 4, 2015 5:44 PM
#70
Imateria said: ^Like I said, definitely a bit hamfisted with his portrayel in the anime there. He wasn't even like that in the manga where he raged about his speach being inadequit to convey his thoughts and stir up revolution, but no mention was ever made of war. Heck, it's seen in a flashback and isn't remotely made clear what speach it would be or when it would be given where the anime clearly puts it as being the night before his death. I'm really gonna have to go read the first volume of Origin or whatever this episode covered to compare the differences. I'm still quite raw about it lol. Also I've heard from some that Yasuhiko was part of the creative team for the original 0079 but upon a quick google search it looks like he was just doing character design? Is that right? Idk why I was under the impression he pitched on work on the story of the original. |
Mar 4, 2015 5:55 PM
#71
Imateria said: ^Like I said, definitely a bit hamfisted with his portrayel in the anime there. He wasn't even like that in the manga where he raged about his speach being inadequit to convey his thoughts and stir up revolution, but no mention was ever made of war. Heck, it's seen in a flashback and isn't remotely made clear what speach it would be or when it would be given where the anime clearly puts it as being the night before his death. Yeah, that scene being placed as a flashback (presumably from Astraia's pov) did make the manga depiction seem more 'uneal' - and perhaps slightly more unrealiable compared with the anime. But Zeon does actually say the same 'declaration of war' line (as translated by Vertical) and the colourful hellfire/burning stuff. Given how inflammatory his speech was, it does make sense that this was the speech he died before giving. Since Yasuhiko is directing - it's safe to say that this is probably how he would fit the timeline together, but it's also true that maybe it was the necessity of time constraints that made him move the event to a definite moment in time. Champloo_Remix said: This is from the middle of the manga - the Char & Sayla volume if you have Vertical's release.I'm really gonna have to go read the first volume of Origin or whatever this episode covered to compare the differences. I'm still quite raw about it lol. Also I've heard from some that Yasuhiko was part of the creative team for the original 0079 but upon a quick google search it looks like he was just doing character design? Is that right? Idk why I was under the impression he pitched on work on the story of the original. I'm not 100% on this, but I believe staff roles in anime back in the day were a bit more flexible - and character design isn't just the art, but also working on the backgrounding and perhaps plotting with the director. Yas is also credited as the animation director for something like15 episodes. So people mentioning him as one of the 'original creators' are probably giving a misleading idea, but he' was definitely close to the inner workings of it all. It might also be people getting confused with him being the "original creator" of The Origin. But Yas is definitely well qualified as the writer of The Origin - which is an amazing readaptation/interpretation sans the weaker flashback content. As the original character designer, a past animator who worked on the series, and also as a mangaka with a preference for historical-biographical stories - MSG The Origin really worked out well in his hands. Unfortunately, I do think that the 'past' and original content that the anime is adapting - well, it's the weakest part of the manga. (I'll try and respond to your earlier reply when I have more time - and if I have anything worth saying.) |
CkanMar 4, 2015 6:00 PM
Mar 4, 2015 7:09 PM
#72
bad points 1º fanservice with Kycillia Zabi was ridiculous 2º that silly moment when Dozle Zabi's wounds opened was ridiculous 3º Ramba Ral all happy being Artesia babysitter was ridiculous (in fact, Ramba Ral is such a nice character on the original Gundam and on The Origin he is preety disappointing...) 4º all that time showing Jimba Ral as a crazy old was disappointing 5º Sasro Zabi was such a pointless character 6º Guntanks on 0068? But all Federation mobile suits were based on Zaku... good points: 1º the first scene with Char's Zaku was cool 2º that scene in which spacenoids of Side 3 were repressed by the Federation Forces was awesome I didn't like. =( |
Mar 4, 2015 8:47 PM
#73
Am I the only one who thought they overdid the comic relief a bit? I feel like it really doesn't fit in to a political drama very well. Also, Dozle and Ramba Ral are two of my favourite characters from the original series, so the two of them being so goofy was a disappointment. Perhaps they're using it to illustrate their growth as characters, or will be in later episodes? Otherwise it was pretty good. |
Mar 5, 2015 4:09 PM
#74
Lindle said: Am I the only one who thought they overdid the comic relief a bit? I feel like it really doesn't fit in to a political drama very well. Also, Dozle and Ramba Ral are two of my favourite characters from the original series, so the two of them being so goofy was a disappointment. Perhaps they're using it to illustrate their growth as characters, or will be in later episodes? Otherwise it was pretty good. I agree. Dozle and Ramba Ral were disappointing and the comic relief, for me, it was the worst. I prefer the derp moments from Reconguista in G .-. |
Mar 6, 2015 5:28 AM
#75
Little Sayla was really cute. I wonder if the Red Comet retained his spine as Casval Rem Deikun, and took Zeon's legacy, power, ambition and all, would things be different? Sunrise would give us another alternate universe, perish the thought but I still wonder. 8/10 |
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Mar 6, 2015 6:56 AM
#76
tofei said: Little Sayla was really cute. I wonder if the Red Comet retained his spine as Casval Rem Deikun, and took Zeon's legacy, power, ambition and all, would things be different? Sunrise would give us another alternate universe, perish the thought but I still wonder. 8/10 You know, I don't think it's so much that Char lost his spine as Casval or took the easy way out by running away from his family/father's legacy. I think ultimately Char chose revenge (in 0079) and couldn't forgive the Zabi family. He was too revenge-driven in the early stages to really consider what the Deikun name and legacy meant to him (although gradually you see him consider and empathize with/embrace it as we see it all culminate in Char's Counterattack where he chooses to follow/build on his father's legacy and Newtype theory and once again become Casval Rem Deikun). |
Mar 12, 2015 2:05 AM
#77
Mar 13, 2015 4:21 PM
#78
felipegomid said: Ramba Ral all happy being Artesia babysitter was ridiculous (in fact, Ramba Ral is such a nice character on the original Gundam and on The Origin he is preety disappointing...) That's the point. He is a nice guy, a man of honor and was one of the first to give Amuro a face of the enemy, so to speak. Anyway, it seems to me Sunrise didn't bring their A-team to Origin and I think the cg looks worse than Unicorn. The battles in G-reco look better (and BF Try, when it's not screaming and explosions). |
Mar 14, 2015 11:54 AM
#79
Any idea on when the next episodes will be coming? |
Mar 23, 2015 8:14 PM
#80
Mar 31, 2015 8:38 PM
#81
That was amazing.. it's been a while since I've seen some good gundam (dropped reconguista few weeks ago, bleh). I actually enjoyed the funny moments, I thought they broke up the tense serious atmosphere of everything else pretty damn well haha. I've watched 0079, Zeta , and most of Unicorn for UC stuff. It was fun seeing all these characters younger versions , even though I barely remember some of them (watched 0079 about 4 years ago, at a somewhat of a low point in my life) |
Apr 2, 2015 5:57 PM
#82
Apr 11, 2015 7:59 PM
#83
Apr 27, 2015 1:19 AM
#84
This was phenomenal. The re-writing of some of the events are pretty good. I like it. |
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Apr 28, 2015 4:00 AM
#85
Yeah, this was great! Aside from those weird CGI horses, the animation was beautiful. The comedic moments kinda stuck out like a sore thumb, but whatever. Is that cat Disney-sidekick-smart in the manga too? I couldn't help but think of how freaked out a real cat would be in zero G. |
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May 15, 2015 7:09 AM
#86
How is this a adaptation of? http://myanimelist.net/manga/214/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam:_The_Origin So far in reading the manga and watching the first ova there is nothing in the manga that's in the ova. Kidou Senshi Gundam: The Origin is a retelling of the original gundam with some details here and there changed. so far the only relation it has is that its a gundam series in the U.C. and it has the same name. |
May 15, 2015 7:16 AM
#87
eieio11490 said: How is this a adaptation of? http://myanimelist.net/manga/214/Kidou_Senshi_Gundam:_The_Origin So far in reading the manga and watching the first ova there is nothing in the manga that's in the ova. Kidou Senshi Gundam: The Origin is a retelling of the original gundam with some details here and there changed. so far the only relation it has is that its a gundam series in the U.C. and it has the same name. The anime is adapting the flashback arc that takes place about a third of the way in. If you're reading Vertical's release, it starts at volume 5. |
Oct 24, 2015 5:00 PM
#88
If you have read the manga or have seen the next episode, Zeon Zum Deikun's messianic metaphors (e.g. referring to a cross when it is suggested he could be executed) is explained due to madness but for first time viewers it is a bit weird.[/spoiler] If you are watching the dub, you better have strong eardrums for Artesia's voice. RAMBO RAL The Munzo Defense Force members were funny. |
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Oct 29, 2015 4:39 PM
#89
i found the first episode to be really interesting and touching with the emotional parts as well. made ya feel the tragedy of it all for casval and artesia. |
Nov 13, 2015 1:53 PM
#90
Was pleasantly surprised. Or, perhaps, surprised would be a bit much to say. After all, this is Gundam. I guess Char was tough even in his early days (as per his reputation). Ral Ramba also an interesting character. Ah, the power plays... The ED was beautiful! |
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