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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So Lisa isn't Shibazaki's daughter huh? Good to know. The attack on the apartment complex surprised me. It reminds me one of those moments when I watched Rush Hour 2 years ago. A bit of a slow episode this week. Going to wait to see the detective, 9 + 12, and Five's next move. I feel bad for Lisa though this episode since she's so scared after what happened.. Seriously though, she got caught already by Five? I'm not surprised but still. >London's bridge is falling down, falling down, falling down. >MY FAIR LADY I just love the way Five sings that. This should be interesting though as I sense that this could be Five's next little "game". I really hope 12 knows what he's doing though. |
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| It was a slow episode but it seems like it was a setup episode to what is going to happen next. I'm expecting the next episodes to be the best yet. Watanabe, don't disappoint me! |
| Quite the set up ep. I guess Lisa being Shibazaki's daughter theory is out of the window now ^^; Sad to see 12 leaving to save Lisa ignoring 9's advice. There's a rift forming between the 2 :( 5 is still one heck of an antagonist. Love her eye close ups so much though ^^ |
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| Man Lisa really is unlucky. She gets kidnapped again and twelve decides to go and rescue despite her likely being a trap there. |
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| Posting something I've said in another thread: So Lisa ends up leaving and gets caught by Five. Nine and Twelve, more so Twelve, realizes that he can't let Lisa leave him like this, so he chases after her. There are surprisingly a lot of parallel to the play/musical "My Fair Lady." What did we learn? 1) Rising Peace Academy executed the Athena plan to gather gifted orphans. The contents of the experiments are not known yet, but judging from pharmaceutical companies and other medical companies, children were tested with novel drugs it seems. Seems like they used gifted orphans as lab rats. 2) Lisa is not Shibasaki's daughter. This just puts more of a question to her character besides being a damsel in distress. 3) Five is not fooling around. She is desperate to kill Nine and Twelve for some reason we don't know of yet. The plutonium is definitely going to play a big part in something, we just don't know what yet. When she describes Nine and Twelve as "having no future," I wonder if all the gifted children are running on some kind of time limit? 4) First time Twelve doubts what they're doing is right. Twelve goes to save a girl he basically doesn't know much about rather than sticking with Nine. What's making him so fond of Lisa? Shibasaki also points out that the term "terrorist" is used too easily nowadays because of all the terrorist attacks we've had. Instead of seeing Sphinx as trying to achieve something greater, people nowadays are blinded by destruction and fear and categorize people who "disturb the peace" immediately as "terrorists." LOL DA FK LISA YOU DON'T PUT POCKY IN CURRY XD |
pakokoSep 4, 2014 10:53 AM
| Man I need that sound tract that was in the beginning. Oh how I missed this show. First off great episode. Seems like a lot of things have gone bad to worst since the airport incident. Shibazaki is basically fired. Their hideout blew up. Nine and Twelve friendship is starting to get a little shaky. And to top it off Lisa gets kidnap by Five. Wasn't that surprising just didn't think it would happen so fast. Twelve is going to try and save her by himself? Man talk about a setup episode. Really anxious to see how everything is going to play out. Hope nobody dies. 5/5. |
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| Slow episode, but yeah, it was probably the build-up episode for the future epicness. |
| TwelvexLisa ship is so strong! I can't! Don't really like songs from this anime... That insert song... Please, never again play it... -.- Good episode :) Can't wait to see next! |
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| Lisa was quite the idiot this episode. Why would she answer the door? Who the hell could be coming to visit them? Why would she accept the package? No one knows she's there, so there's no reason for her to get anything at all. It just irked me. But I still can't bring myself to hate her, she's adorkable (pocky in curry?). I get a feeling that Twelve is going to die either the next episode, or the one after that. Something something should have sacrificed his queen and all that. Besides, I don't think there will be no major character deaths in this series. |
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| Aaaw Twelve how could you leave Nine like that :( Lisa is so stupid... why would you accept a package at your name when nobody is supposed to know where you live right now? No brain at all... |
| good episode some investigation and things are slowly being put together 3 episodes left |
Ailly said: Lisa was quite the idiot this episode. Why would she answer the door? Who the hell could be coming to visit them? Why would she accept the package? No one knows she's there, so there's no reason for her to get anything at all. Look at it this way. Even if Lisa hadn't answered the door, the bomb would have gone off anyway because the man probably would have left the bomb in front of the door. You wouldn't want Lisa dying off just yet right? It wouldn't really make sense to kill her off either, when she is considered one of the main protagonists. I agree to your point about there being a major character death sooner or later. My bet is on all the gifted children, but we'll see. |
| Well, much better than last 2 (which were terrible). |
| Dub = fake crap. Always. |
| It would be great if this final confrotation was prolonged on the next épisodes, with great cliffhangers. I do Wonder how this will end. That London Bridge song, I'm still curious how the anime is airing, since it's terrorism and stuff. |
| Wow so the show actually addressed that Nine and Twelve are not exactly "Terrorists". At least not yet anyway. I am glad they did that though because that bothered me since episode 2. I am happy to see some development with Twelve.. even if it was rushed, it's still there. He has grown more empathetic it seems. One of the issues with being 11 episodes though is it's so hard to make development seem genuine. It was a bit odd that he so easily turned against Nine though... Oh well, they did their best I am sure and they did spend time on the relationship between them. I don't like how he suddenly doesn't want to do whatever it is they were planning though. How am I supposed to be invested in that conversation when I have no idea what they are planning? Also it feels like this is a last minute twist to show that these guys are heroes and not terrorists because it seems to hint that their final plan was a gigantic bomb that will kill people. If that's the case I don't really see why they were so hesitant before about killing people... Plus it would kind of make the entire reason this story happened completely pointless... Oh well, just speculation. I am surprised it's only been 1 episode and already they made Lisa make several stupid decisions and becomes the damsel in distress again. Lame. They are really pulling out all the strings to make Five completely 1-dimensional evil aren't they? No redeeming factors at all. Don't like it, I thought she had potential but now I am just sort of bored by how cheesy evil she is. Shibazaki investigating more, seems he's turned to blackmailing, kinda sucks out some likability as a person but he's getting shit done and I like that. Got more personality out of him this episode too. Still no thrills, hopefully this build up will lead to a more exciting episode. I still liked it overall but needed more punch and a bit smoother characterization. |
KetenSep 4, 2014 12:00 PM
Keten said: They are really pulling out all the strings to make Five completely 1-dimensional evil aren't they? No redeeming factors at all. Don't like it, I thought she had potential but now I am just sort of bored by how cheesy evil she is. I don't think Five is as 1-dimensional as you think she is. Recall the scene when she grabs her head like she's suffering from some sort of withdrawal. That's the first time we've seen her show a sign of weakness and desperation. When she spouts all those things at Lisa about Nine and Twelve, her speech was more desperate than downright evil. Whatever Nine and Twelve are doing is making Five suffer (we don't know why) and she wants to kill them off. My speculation is that Five is suffering from some drug addiction withdrawal or from whatever she was given during the Athena plan. When she decides to drop a bomb off at the hideout, she's trying to show that she's actually really desperate and not fooling around at all. She doesn't seem as charismatic this episode. |
pakokoSep 4, 2014 12:07 PM
| Slow but golden. A masterpiece, this anime. ^ - ^ |
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MaNWK said: Antearion said: Man I need that sound tract that was in the beginning. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu8IKO8uLwc There u go, I guess this was the one you had in mind? it's a bit different from the version they played in the movie tho. Yea that's the one. Thanks. |
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| 8/11 episodes now and Lisa still hasn't made a good impression. Please please please tell me she's gonna play a major part in the final few episodes. If she really just acts as a damsel in distress to get someone killed then I'm really going to be disappointed if that's the culmination of her use as a character. |
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| I'm actually sad and bothered that Lisa isn't Shibazakis daughter. It just makes her more useless and in my opinion the show would of been better if they were family. Anyway, great episode. |
BRK25 said: Vexper said: 8/11 episodes now and Lisa still hasn't made a good impression. Please please please tell me she's gonna play a major part in the final few episodes. If she really just acts as a damsel in distress to get someone killed then I'm really going to be disappointed if that's the culmination of her use as a character. This. I love the show but it lacks depth if that's all her use was for. Let's just hope Watanabe wants us to think that way of Lisa and then BAM! M. Night Shyamalama-ding-dong plot twist outta nowhere. |
pakoko said: I don't think Five is as 1-dimensional as you think she is. Recall the scene when she grabs her head like she's suffering from some sort of withdrawal. That's the first time we've seen her show a sign of weakness and desperation. When she spouts all those things at Lisa about Nine and Twelve, her speech was more desperate than downright evil. Whatever Nine and Twelve are doing is making Five suffer (we don't know why) and she wants to kill them off. My speculation is that Five is suffering from some drug addiction withdrawal or from whatever she was given during the Athena plan. When she decides to drop a bomb off at the hideout, she's trying to show that she's actually really desperate and not fooling around at all. She doesn't seem as charismatic this episode. Very true. However it's just speculation as of yet. I am not saying she is forever a 1-dimensional character, just that for now she is and she's really cheesy is all. I am waiting for some backdrop on her to expand her character more but otherwise yes, there is likely more to her than what I said. My big problem with the show is that they don't really explain anything, I feel like the last episode or 2nd last episode is just going to be a MASSIVE info-dump... I hope that isn't the case. Either way, sorry if it seemed like I was calling her a doomed character, never meant that, just that so far there isn't much to her other than being psychotic and evil. |
| Slow but great episode~! So Lisa is not Shibazaki's daughter - Then.. I wonder what her character is supposed to be other than damsel in distress... :/ Also, hmmm Nine & Twelve "have no future" and are "running out of time..." Both Five and Nine seem to get headaches or some kind of withdrawal or something but not twelve.. |
Lala-pSep 4, 2014 12:38 PM
| Slow, but very good episode indeed. Many queries where answered, which kinda means that the series will have a definite conclusion at episode 11 (I guess?). Lisa is stupid for answering the door and being foolish enough to go outside on her own while things are still on stake with Five, but still she doesn't deserve to be treated like that. I mean, come on, she's scared and lacks self-confidence, she tries hard to become useful. Let's just appreciate that. And Twelve must has his reason to like her that much, especially if he's willing to quit the attacks with Nine. I'm looking forward to see more of their interactions and thoughts on this matter... I am really scared about that "having no future", "no time left" thingy Five, Nine and Twelve mentioned. I hope, for the love of God, that nobody dies. Finally, of course, dat engrish. Five pls. |
| “In all things, the heart must take precedence. The heart rules over all things, and all things come from the heart.”  |
BRK25 said: My biggest question that I'm getting is Lisa's place. If she's not a part of Shibazaki in any heritage, then there must be something going on that we don't know in the works. There's no way they put her in and has no service or use. Waiting on that cinematography. My guess is that she's from the Gifted Children thing plan or was part of it but forgot or something like that after seeing the opening on repeat: |
CEOAmaterasuSep 4, 2014 12:44 PM
Keten said: Very true. However it's just speculation as of yet. I am not saying she is forever a 1-dimensional character, just that for now she is and she's really cheesy is all. I am waiting for some backdrop on her to expand her character more but otherwise yes, there is likely more to her than what I said. My big problem with the show is that they don't really explain anything, I feel like the last episode or 2nd last episode is just going to be a MASSIVE info-dump... I hope that isn't the case. Either way, sorry if it seemed like I was calling her a doomed character, never meant that, just that so far there isn't much to her other than being psychotic and evil. Haha no problem man, you're good. You're right that the show hasn't done much else to portray Five in a different light. I've just been seeing a lot of people (besides you) complaining about Five being 1-dimensional without really giving her a chance. Sorry if it sounded like I was taking it out on you. Yeah there's still 3 more episodes so we'll see how Watanabe pulls this off... or not. As for the show not really explaining anything, that's just how the show decided to tell its story. It's really up to the viewers to deduce background information by paying close attention to the anime (like how I deduced that Five seems to be suffering from withdrawal symptoms of a drug possibly administered during the Athena plan). The show will never resort to info dump unless it REALLY has to, that I can guarantee. If you take Aldnoah.Zero for example, do you remember Inaho talking to himself weirdly about how he beat a Vers Kataphrakt? There are many instances in that show that outright reveals background info through dialogue, but ZnT relies more on giving "hints" throughout. |
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| Damn it Lisa, don't be a Sakura, crying and being useless |
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| Boring episode e_e Lisa is such a worthless main character. |
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