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| ^406 and 407 are fillers start from 408.. or 409 i forgot already |
Eikichi_Onizuka said: woot! great episode! hadn't cried on a One Piece episode for quite a time! smokes said: Eikichi_Onizuka said: woot! great episode! hadn't cried on a One Piece episode for quite a time! +1. epic episode. interesting what Kuda told to that old man ... +1 I never cried for OP like this before! From the very start, when Zoro was gone, my emotions flew out (especially for Zoro). The flashback was sad, with the music too. And also when Luffy cried... I cried more T__T I hate fillers, though x( Waaaaaa~! T__T |
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| I just have to make some comments on this episode and this arc as a whole. First of all this has to be one of the most dramatic episodes in the whole series. No scratch that. This IS the most dramatic episode in the entire series. Truly a heart breaking moment and one that will completely change the show from here on. This is one for the history books. The utter complete defeat of the straw hats. Something we probably never would of expected to happen. Those who don't read the manga of course. Although this was a very heartbreaking moment, like i predicted back in the thriller bark arc. I was actually correct and im glad i was. Kuma's motives were actually not to destroy the crew. But to actually save them from these enemies. He knew this was an overwhelming situation for the straw hats and if they progressed any further. Eventually the marine HQ would of probably killed them. Considering there adventure led them directly to the world governments door step. Once luffy broke the taboo on the island, that was is it for them. I love the crew but i honestly don't think they would of been able to overcome such an overwhelming power. Even by if some miracle, they managed to defeat the admiral, it would create war and chaos and the world government would just send some one else. After all, they are right below the holy land of Marijou. Kuma's action was very surprising but it was pretty clear by the way kuma whispered something into Raylieh's ear and also saving one of the straw hats from a pacifista just in the nick of time by teleporting him away. Sentomaru also revealed that he has the ability to teleport people 2-3 days away. MY GOD. what an ability? I mean seriously? I believe there is something deeper behind his motives though. That is not yet explained. Like the bible he uses i think is a bible of the entire world. He might have the ability to pick which location he can send some one. Even when he stated to luffy, that he will never see his crew mates again. I think that was a lie. To try and make him self look like he is not completely disobeying the world the government. I think he has other ideas in mind for the straw hats, it would be interesting to see where they were sent. He stated that they were far away from each other though so im guessing none of them are close. I guess will have to see later. Man, what a huge turn of events. I am sure this shocked everyone. I really loved how they used the brooks binks sake song at the end well they were showing all the little flash backs of when luffy met his crew mates. What even makes this more dramatic and just down right upsetting. is the fact that we were just getting to know brook. So there was a few amazing moments with him, which was sad. Cause i loved brooks. To bad, he could of had alot more shining moments in the show. But i guess oda wanted to move the story forward. I guess from here on the story of one piece is taking a completely different turn and will no longer focus on adventures with the crew, at least for now but rather the upcoming war with the whitebeard pirates and the world government. Watching luffy in such despair and unable to save his comrades was really sad. He truly realizes the horror of this world and finally starts to see that the dream that he wants, the legendary one peice is much further away then he can imagine. His utter defeat probably damaged his ego. I don't think ive ever seen him cry like that before. I wonder how he will recover from this. I guess things are going to get alot more serous now. I wonder how are main protagonist is going to fit into the story now. Things are so unpredictable. This arc was by far my most favorite arc in all of one piece. It has some of the most deepest mysterious of the show revealed, the new secret weapon of the thousand sunny, duvals shocking appearence, alot of the new characters introduced. The 11 super nova's. Including the "legend" Silvers rayliegh, first mate of gol D roger him self. A new admiral, the mysterious power known as "haki" was finally revealed, that shanks used back at the very start of the show and many more other things that i could write bout. Honestly i could write a full blown 3 page essay on this arc. One of the most amazing concepts to the history and the story of OP that i found so intriguing was the world government. We already knew the world government and the marines under them were the true villains of the series. But i don't think it was truly realized until after this arc. The horrors of the world government and world nobles, using slavery against all humanity or pirates treating them like mere lap dogs. These guys are the true villains of this show. Make no mistake. Not only by there immeasurable power and ranks, but also there twisted goals of achieving what people say is "justice" in this war torn world. I can only hope that White beards crew annihilates the marines and the fcking world government. I guess those bastards think there safe living way up high on top of the red line looking out over the entire world like some royal gods that command the sea. This really makes me interested in seeing what the coming war will bring. This is by far one of my favorite arcs in OP shown so far. People may disagree with me of course. But i really think this arc has a high lvl of drama, intensity, emotional conflicts, lots of mysteries revealed, surprising revelations. Also the history and the way the world works through the eyes of the world government. I think these things were some of the strongest aspects shown in the story of one piece thus far and that is why its forever going to remain one of my favorite arcs of the show. anyways i watched a good 120 episodes now in one sitting. So im not sure if i want to continue. I might just take a small breather for for now. Its nice to that the next episodes are little more light hearted, given the dramatic intensity of this arc. So we get a little break before things start to heat up again. |
ArtimesGamerMay 12, 2011 9:46 AM
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Monad said: It was nice seeing them losing for once. I was surprised by the reactions of Luffy. He just stood there most of the time. I am wondering what power up they will get after this experience and the reasons behind Kumas actions. About the last thing Kuma said to Luffy. What is the right one? "You won't see them again" or "We will not be seeing each other again"? Is Yibis wrong? Ha! Ha! One Piece is over, after the fillers we will have "The adventures of Kuma". He was confused, this is the first time luffy has seen his crew mates in such danger before his very eyes. He had no idea how to retaliate. It put him in utter shock. |
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| Well....I'm not sure exactly what to say. The episode was probably one of the most emotionally intense parts of the series, I mean I was pretty much regressed to a crying baby by the time Luffy "disappeared" and god damn I felt his anguish in the very depths of my soul. Damn, that sounded corny. But, it's very obvious that Kuma is actually "helping" the Straw Hat's in some way. I mean, it's heavily foreshadowed when Kuma whispers something to Rahleigh...so he may of even teleported them back to the Thousand Sunny or something. At least, if I'm right about my earlier hypothesis about what happened to Perona. Which makes me wonder what in the hell Kuma is up to, it seems he may be a "good guy" in a way. Though this episode did a hell of an attempt in making him SEEM antagonistic, I'm...just not buying it. This is going to be one hell of a learning experience for Luffy and the others. I hope they don't forget the despair they felt in this situation. Also, this wouldn't have worked nearly as well if the Straw Hat's hadn't been whooping as much ass as they have throughout the series. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I really hated this episode, I never ever wanna see Luffy like that again, never! :( |
| There must be a reason to Kuma's action!!?! awww Anyway.. one of the most climatically and emotional episodes!! :-)))) Its unbelieveable that the strawhats were defeated! But it must be for the greater good because they cannot defeat Kizaru in their current state.. The ending with a short flashback and Bink's Sake in the background was soooo touching.. Looks like the arc has come to the end and fillers awaits us next haha.. |
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| I love how anyone who didn't like it is a troll. Come on guys, people are allowed to have different opinions! |
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| oh my god luffy completely breaking down and hitting his head repeatedly against the ground was possibly the most horrifying character moment in the series thus far there are no words and it's one of those sobbing things i've only seen real people do. you can see the weight of his guilt and his responsibilities almost literally crushing him. luffy summarizes it by saying, "what's wrong with me?" which shows what's clearly wrong with him i cried when i saw that, my favorite characters are never main shounen characters because after hundreds of episodes i get sick of them, but i never got sick of luffy. |
neenalie said: oh my god luffy completely breaking down and hitting his head repeatedly against the ground was possibly the most horrifying character moment in the series thus far there are no words and it's one of those sobbing things i've only seen real people do. you can see the weight of his guilt and his responsibilities almost literally crushing him. luffy summarizes it by saying, "what's wrong with me?" which shows what's clearly wrong with him i cried when i saw that, my favorite characters are never main shounen characters because after hundreds of episodes i get sick of them, but i never got sick of luffy. AUGHHHWAWAWAWA, well said neenalie. It's hard to watch Luffy be so frustrated and cry like that *clenches heart*. ;______; |
| wow, that hit my right in the feels. luffy was distraught. somewhat disappointed that chopper didn't beat the living heck out of anyone this time. /: and i /think/ i know what kuma told rayleigh, and i /think/ i know his motives. i guess i'll have to wait and see. overall, another brilliant episode. |
| Seeing luffy sulk like that didn't sit well with me. |
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| Watching this episode in 2012 is sort of a downer, because you know that 1) the crew members are alive and 2) they will be together sooner than anything. I also think that Kuma is trying to help them. Zoro mentioned in the previous episode that he was saved by Kuma's mercy. What sounds weird for me is that Kizaru accepts his decision so easily. I mean... they were sold. And now they are teleported to some other place. Even if Kuma didn't have good intentions towards the Straw Hats, his intervention has saved them. One way or the other, a very intense episode. Their despair and horror was flawlessly handled. I have never seen them in this situation. I mean, they have been on the verge of defeat, they have been about to die and sometimes were even defeated, but this feeling that the situation gets out of their hands is something that I don't recall in any episode. They felt completely helpless through the whole thing. And Luffy crying at the end was one of the best scenes in the series. It shows how much is this series about the crew. The flashback was just the icing in the cake. What an episode, oh damn. And what an arc. Easily one of the most regular of the series, although Arlong and Water7/Enies Lobby hit me a bit harder emotionally. |
jal90Dec 6, 2012 1:33 AM
jal90 said: Watching this episode in 2012 is sort of a downer, because you know that 1) the crew members are alive and 2) they will be together sooner than anything. Mhmm, and we totally know what's going to happen in the future events. But man, this episode was just.. wham. The flashbacks had me on the edge of tearing up. Then, seeing Luffy cry like that got me. Oh hey, everyone's gonna be back together next episode! *cough* |
| So that's it the anime ends. Good anime though, good ending. |
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| Crazy emotional episode my eyes started tearing up as they showed the flashback. |
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| watching that episode was just way too painful for me ;___; seeing luffy utterly in despair and the faces of the crew before they disappeared was so heart breaking. and the flashbacks made it even worse. WHAT THE HELL MAN |
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| I couldn't hold it back, this episode was way more emotionally intense than anything I've seen over the course of this series. The way everything turned upside down over the last few episodes and then this happens, they really know how to keep me hooked on the show. Saddest moment in anime (In my opinion). My only hope right now is that they all find each other again and soon. |
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| Wow, I can't wait to see how they move on from this. I'm hoping the whole three days and three nights of flying when Kuma sends you off with his power is true, although that's got to be pretty maddening if your concious the entire time. I'm looking forward to the filler episodes. |
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| this episode is .. damn feels... |
Natsuki-hime said: They left us with a serious cliffhanger, I can't wait to see what happens next and I believe that Kuma is helping them somehow, based on the fact that he whispered something to the Dark King. Was disturbing to see Luffy like that, I am used to him being always straightforward and sure of himself, but I guess that his biggest fear just happened in front of his eyes agree with everything ^ I do also believe that Kuma is helping them but I don't know why and how (I mean where are they???) And if he is helping them then why he said to Luffy "you wont see them again"...??? Such an emotional episode ;-; ;-; ;-; Poor Luffy! Being unable to protect his friends... There is nothing worst for him! I will say it again but thank goodness for Rayleigh! With him around I feel everything is gonna be ok at the end! I mean since he accepted Kuma's words we shouldn't worry about the Straw Hats right??? |
| Really good episode, omfg... the flashbacks, so much nostalgia. |
| Why? T_T Next ep, why?? |
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| one of the best episodes so far .. actually cried ; ~ ; |
| Luffy as always been absent minded to me, with exception to Water 7 confrontation with Usopp, BUT THIS EPISODE! I have never seen Luffy so broken down. You can truly feel his helplessness as the crew gets taken away from him one by one. & When he's groveling on the ground infront of Kuma you really see how much he loves his crew. definitely goes down as a fav OP moment |
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| The feels. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
_eggtart said: one of the best episodes so far .. actually cried ; ~ ; I was on the verge of crying :( |
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| That was too much for me to handle. |
| It is my third time rewatching one piece, and finally I am glad to say: I didn't cry this time! This was a masterpiece, a truly great masterpiece. I can't even say anything else. |
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| First time Luffy was desperated and helpless in the whole anime, also the flashbacks. This episode was just 24 minutes of chills. Loved it |
| Hm. Weird. Wonder what kind of intentions Kumo has for doing all this... :| He whispered something unbelievable into Rayleigh's ears so there's no reason to not suspect that he's lowkey helping the Mugiwara Crew somehow... although I still don't trust him........ .__. |
| Easily one of the best episodes of the entire series, this arc was just insane and once again Eiichiro Oda shows us what a genius he truly is. |
| Awesome awesome episode, if anything it proves that the Straw Hat Pirates, despite all their achievements to date, are still nowhere near strong enough to fulfill Luffy's dream of becoming King of the Pirates. After two period drama specials we'll find out what happens now that all nine of them have been scattered to different places |
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| And thry are all gone ... omg poor ruffy |
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| Holy hell. They broke Luffy. He totally went into hysterics, although that's not exactly surprising since he thinks his whole crew got killed right in front of him. Ofc the audience know they're not dead, but Luffy doesn't. He genuinely thinks they're all gone, and that's what makes it so heart breaking. The Straw Hats couldn't even defend themselves against one man- I bet that harsh reality is gonna sink in... Everything about this episode was pure genius, right from the flashbacks to Luffy's really raw emotional reaction. I especially love how Nami's 'final' plea for help paralleled her first one back in the Arlong arc. I'm just curious to know where exactly everybody went...I'm presuming to different places, but this is getting really interesting! |
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| This is the first time I cry this hard in One Piece. This was truly heart-wrenching. I couldn't see Luffy like that. I know that Kuma had saved them, but it still hurt me. |
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| This arc was really satisfying, surprisingly. Next on One Piece, an arc I've been looking forwards too. ^ Could not help myself playing Pirate Warriors 3, so I sort of know some of it, but I did skip the dialouges and all, so I'm still wondering what's next. |
| BRUHHH...these past episodes have been so stressful I can't take it...there's just so much chaos going on and the freakin real Kuma just decides to show up and 'erase' all of Luffy's friends one by one right in front of him. Also when Robin was left and she yelled for Luffy and he was trying to save her but he couldn't nooooooo. Then Luffy just having a breakdown just crying his eyes out and pounding his head on the ground ooooof I cant I just cant. I know they aint gone but BRUHHHH. Love this show. |
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| Oh my god.......... what the hell Oda. I am crying SO hard. My prediction is that Kuma wants the Straw Hats to grow stronger, he already tested Zoro with Luffy's pain, and to do so he saved all the Straw Hats but in a way that he made Luffy feel absolutely hopeless. He intentionally saved Luffy for last and took his friends away one by one in front of his eyes. I imagine this is to show him what it's like in the New World and to really make him understand what he's getting into, as a way to motivate him and push him forward. He did tell Rayleigh he was doing something that, if Ray trusted, he'd presumably agree with. That said, this was totally like A huge value Luffy stands for is protecting his nakama. Like Shanks taught him he'd give his arm for a friend, it's nothing when it's used to save someone he cares about. Luffy is a character who imposes his will on to the world to make it go the way he wants it to. Yet here Kuma showed him that the world can impose its will on him too, and no amount of arms he gives would change that, that the world they're in can strip away everything he loves and cares about without him being able to do a single thing. For a long time I wondered, what would break Luffy. His emotional strength is insane. Yet, his fight Usopp and later his farewell to the Merry proved to me the thing that breaks his mental composure is betraying or saying a final goodbye to a nakama. Yet, those weren't hopeless emotional breakings, those were bittersweet necessities. Here we had Luffy break down the hardest he's ever done before because he couldn't even save one single friend. It reminds me of Usopp's break down when his values of being a brave warrior and a crewmate were crushed on top of him not being able to accept reality with the Merry dying. Both are cases of everything the character stands for being challenged. And man it really showed and it hurt to watch so bad. We got to see Luffy emotionally break down in a new way, a hopeless, angry, miserable way that he couldn't even control, he couldn't understand what was going on. When Sanji was taken from him he said, "what is this.. what do we do?" to Robin. Luffy, the guy who always knows what to do immediately with no hesitation said with tears choking him up "what do we do..?". I'd heavily wager he's never felt this hopeless in his entire life. He couldn't move he was so shaken up seeing his friends be taken away one by one on top of the already hopeless situation he had resigned himself to. He couldn't control his emotions and when he couldn't save Nami as she begged for his help and couldn't reach Robin in time and he was left alone, it was too much. He was filled with anger, grief, misery, hopelessness, and a deep feeling of failure. I bet he feels he's nothing like Shanks now. I felt so many emotions in that face he made when he looked up at Kuma before he was hit too. This isn't the Luffy we know and love.. he screamed to Kuma and begged him to stop... He beat his face into the ground out of a mix of all the emotions he’s feeling, he was so mad at himself.. I can't only speak about Luffy though. Everyone was so well done here. I want to mention how Brook sacrificed himself to protect Usopp and Sanji once more. Usopp and Sanji's overwhelming anger were palpable as Usopp screamed at Kuma and Sanji ran to fight him full of rage fueled from the fact that he couldn't protect his friends. Nami could hardly bring herself to move and Franky did the smart thing and realized the situation and tried his hardest to save her, going as far to punch Kuma in the face. Their strength slowed down as it went on, by the end it felt as though no one even had the will to put up a fight. I particularly loved this shot of Usopp being chased by Kuma. The way he approached Usopp screaming and firing his everything at him unphased was horrifying. Even monster Chopper didn't have a chance… Having the Straw Hats exhaust everything they have without it being enough made this hopeless tone perfect. There was also the moment where Luffy told everyone to flee and worry about what's going on later, and it hit everyone that they had to leave Zoro behind unaware if he's dead or if he'll come back or what. It was as though Luffy ordering them to escape was the moment they realized they had to accept what had happened to Zoro.. It was so FREAKING SAD THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH. This was like.. the most miserable and messed up moment of a shounen I've seen. Yes, I think they are all fine and Kuma did do this as a way of showing Luffy what's to come but the impact they all felt as they weren't sure if Kuma was literally erasing their friends from the universe as they were already resigned to running for their very lives was so traumatic to even watch. I can't imagine this will be an event forgotten by any of them for a long time. People warned them about going into the New World and I kinda get it now. They are outclassed by so many people. And there are many on their level. .... jesus. ALSO LUFFY DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HIS BROTHER IS SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC EXECUTION YET. |
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