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Dec 10, 2015 2:20 AM
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Qatami said:
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What a fucking awful episode. Nice fucking "HAHA YOU DEFEATED/HURT/DEAD" "HAHA NO I'M NOT" bullshit writing right there. I would've liked it if it happened once or twice, or hell, 3 times, but not every single fucking minute.

"HAHA WE BETRAYED YOU" a minute later "HAHA WE ACTUALLY KIDDING WE BETRAYED THE OTHER GUYS. HAHA" ... Like seriously Sorach could've fucking used something that's called foreshadowing not fucking retcon everything that happens in this episode.

I hoped this arc will be different from all the awful action arcs in this series but guess I was expecting too much. The writing in this episode is seriously worse than most of the action arcs in this series. Like seriously, holy fuck this episode.
this, gintama writing dude is only good at writing comedy and should stick with comedy imo.


Simply put, you two are idiots.
Dec 10, 2015 3:54 AM

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Kamui, good luck with your injured right hand... Yeah good luck xD

I can't handle the feels at next or two episode after this :(

SHOGUN KAYOOOOOOO
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Dec 10, 2015 4:24 AM

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That was intense, I read the manga but I didn't remember much of the fight and honestly fight is easier to understand in anime form.

Dec 10, 2015 5:02 AM
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Qatami said:
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What a fucking awful episode. Nice fucking "HAHA YOU DEFEATED/HURT/DEAD" "HAHA NO I'M NOT" bullshit writing right there. I would've liked it if it happened once or twice, or hell, 3 times, but not every single fucking minute.

"HAHA WE BETRAYED YOU" a minute later "HAHA WE ACTUALLY KIDDING WE BETRAYED THE OTHER GUYS. HAHA" ... Like seriously Sorach could've fucking used something that's called foreshadowing not fucking retcon everything that happens in this episode.

I hoped this arc will be different from all the awful action arcs in this series but guess I was expecting too much. The writing in this episode is seriously worse than most of the action arcs in this series. Like seriously, holy fuck this episode.
this, gintama writing dude is only good at writing comedy and should stick with comedy imo.
You guys are judging the writing of an arc when you're only two episodes in (out of 10-11). I know the reveal was sudden for anime-viewers because for the manga, we found out three chapters later that the Shogun is alive. But the anime adapted those three chapters in one episode.
Dec 10, 2015 6:06 AM

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FANTASTIC EPISODE! Knew they'd adapt the Manga perfectly! Okita's fight was just amazing. Can't wait for Gintoki's!
Dec 10, 2015 9:30 AM

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10/10.

Sadly by the preview it seems to be my favourite Gintama's character farewell...

Can't hold these feels :c
Dec 10, 2015 10:48 AM
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JaeRyn said:
I have been waiting for a week for sougo x kamui fight ! EPICCCC !!

but they left out this part, sad.

lol @ kagura's "toshiiii" XD


Yeah, as a manga reader I was so hyped for the arc..maybe a bit hyper-critical. Like, if you didn't have the budget to do this properly, why didn't you just stick to the comedy arcs? They skipped some of my favorites ! But then, they actually leave out some tidbits. The short fight scene was really awesome tho.

Well, they're probably doing the best they can, trying to animate this arc before the anime ends due to business pressures. I'm trying not to get too high expectations. I loved this episode, btw, though I was a bit annoyed about Kamui being shorter than Takasugi (previous). Either that or Takasugi was wearing serious platform shoes.
Dec 10, 2015 3:54 PM

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wow what-a-battle-okita impressive these 2 are killers okita was so perfect
love it .these battles are the best I REMEMBER A BATTLE WITH HIJIkata so good too
:O waiting for more!!!
Dec 10, 2015 4:00 PM

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Dammmnnnn this episode was amazing. Okita vs Kamui was great...and I can't believe Okita came out of it with the upper hand! What a bamf.

I agree the reveal with the ninjas betraying each other (?) was kinda abrupt, but I didn't see the shogun being alive coming... I really thought he was dead.
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Guurako said:

"Don't look down on Earth's policemen."
Found the dialogue rich and no different from Sorachi's usual writing during serious arcs, I'm no expert, but I can agree the whole "Mr.Criminal-Mr.Policeman" was melodramatic, but I felt that the voice actors played that one well. Oh well, either way, I liked it.


Now that i'm thinking about it, I think this is only an important quote because it's coming from Okita. He has always been known as the perfect example of a corrupt cop, and I find it interesting that he of all of the members of the Shinsengumi is the one to say this line.

ex of how Okita is a bad cop:

1. His introduction is of him sleeping on the job
2. He sleeps when they are in charge of guarding the frog Amanto
3. Stops people randomnly in the middle of the night to confiscate pornography for himself
4. While on a stakeout, he orders ramen and the culprit slips away (gin-hiji handcuff episode xD)
5. Chooses the use the bazooka even though he is the best swordsman of the Shinsengumi. The bazooka's explosiveness causes casualties and is costly for the city to repair.
5a. fires it at a traffic intersection while pursuing Katsura (I think)
5b. fires it at a restaurant, which forced the Shinsengumi to change their image with Otsu-chan

and the list can go on and on...

However, as the series goes on, the bazooka appears less and there are times when he does do his job (Rokkaku and that people fighting arena).

And many people of the series has commented on Okita's eyes. The first time I remember is when Hijikata stops Okita from attacking the frog Amanto and says "you're eyes are dilated". Nobume states that Okita isn't a cop but a killer during their first meeting. Kamui also says Okita is a bloodthirsty warrior who is drawn to the smell of battle and that he doesn't care about the protecting anyone.

So I find it interesting that during a hell of a villain vs hell of a cop showdown, it is not Hijikata, not Kondo, but Okita to be the one to deliver this line and to represent the police force of this series. Maybe it's character development lol as even though Kamui said he doesn't care about protecting people, Okita is willing to give up his life to protect Soyo-hime.
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Great episode :D

It's obvious Shogun wouldn't die like that so easily.

Okita vs Kamui is amazing, finally Takasugi is making more appearance than ever. I hope to see Gintoki vs Takasugi soon.

Can't wait for the next episode!!
Dec 11, 2015 5:00 AM
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THIS EPISODE WAS WAY TOO FUCKING GOOD THEY GOTTA CHILL

Oh god my heart is still racing someoone call an ambulance :OOO I loved this episode so fucking much, Sougo and Kamui, my two favorite characters beating the shit out of each other was just pure epicness and all the while I was thinking "hey sougo some day you'll have to make up with your future brother-in-law" <3
Dec 11, 2015 3:19 PM

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Candor said:
What a fucking awful episode. Nice fucking "HAHA YOU DEFEATED/HURT/DEAD" "HAHA NO I'M NOT" bullshit writing right there. I would've liked it if it happened once or twice, or hell, 3 times, but not every single fucking minute.

"HAHA WE BETRAYED YOU" a minute later "HAHA WE ACTUALLY KIDDING WE BETRAYED THE OTHER GUYS. HAHA" ... Like seriously Sorach could've fucking used something that's called foreshadowing not fucking retcon everything that happens in this episode.

I hoped this arc will be different from all the awful action arcs in this series but guess I was expecting too much. The writing in this episode is seriously worse than most of the action arcs in this series. Like seriously, holy fuck this episode.


I have to agree this arc is lacking foreshadowing for its twists, just too many asspulls, things are coming outta nowhere.
Dec 11, 2015 6:45 PM

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I must say that Okita vs Kamui fight was the best, most entertaining possible matchup of all characters involved in Gintama. While Gintoki and Katsura may belong to a league of their own in swordsmanship, their fights always end up having an unnecessary mix of comedy or too much dialogue. Okita vs Kamui on the other hand was straight up a death match.
Dec 11, 2015 11:31 PM

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  1. To have Mars of Destruction, Skelter Heaven, and Pupa properly adapted in TV series form by Madhouse
  2. To have Inferno Cop properly adapted in TV series form by Bones, director: Urobuchi Gen
  3. An anime crossover of Mushishi x ARIA x Haibane Renmei.


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Dec 12, 2015 5:15 AM

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wrongbox said:
Guurako said:

"Don't look down on Earth's policemen."
Found the dialogue rich and no different from Sorachi's usual writing during serious arcs, I'm no expert, but I can agree the whole "Mr.Criminal-Mr.Policeman" was melodramatic, but I felt that the voice actors played that one well. Oh well, either way, I liked it.


Now that i'm thinking about it, I think this is only an important quote because it's coming from Okita. He has always been known as the perfect example of a corrupt cop, and I find it interesting that he of all of the members of the Shinsengumi is the one to say this line.

ex of how Okita is a bad cop:

1. His introduction is of him sleeping on the job
2. He sleeps when they are in charge of guarding the frog Amanto
3. Stops people randomnly in the middle of the night to confiscate pornography for himself
4. While on a stakeout, he orders ramen and the culprit slips away (gin-hiji handcuff episode xD)
5. Chooses the use the bazooka even though he is the best swordsman of the Shinsengumi. The bazooka's explosiveness causes casualties and is costly for the city to repair.
5a. fires it at a traffic intersection while pursuing Katsura (I think)
5b. fires it at a restaurant, which forced the Shinsengumi to change their image with Otsu-chan

and the list can go on and on...

However, as the series goes on, the bazooka appears less and there are times when he does do his job (Rokkaku and that people fighting arena).

And many people of the series has commented on Okita's eyes. The first time I remember is when Hijikata stops Okita from attacking the frog Amanto and says "you're eyes are dilated". Nobume states that Okita isn't a cop but a killer during their first meeting. Kamui also says Okita is a bloodthirsty warrior who is drawn to the smell of battle and that he doesn't care about the protecting anyone.

So I find it interesting that during a hell of a villain vs hell of a cop showdown, it is not Hijikata, not Kondo, but Okita to be the one to deliver this line and to represent the police force of this series. Maybe it's character development lol as even though Kamui said he doesn't care about protecting people, Okita is willing to give up his life to protect Soyo-hime.


I totally agree with you. The impact of this phrase is exactly because it was Sougo who said it. And how during the serie many of the others characters see him as an assassin who is a thirsty for blood, but in real he can be a very protective samurai for what is important for him. I think this will show better in the next arc
Dec 12, 2015 5:16 AM

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OKITAAAAAAAAA! ♥
Dec 12, 2015 8:03 AM
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Everybody keeps saying Sougo was awesome and badass (i agree), but....Kamui was also awesome and badass!! ><
I missed seeing Kamui so much and his appearance right before the OkiMui fight was just boss.
Dec 12, 2015 8:12 AM

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Candor said:
What a fucking awful episode. Nice fucking "HAHA YOU DEFEATED/HURT/DEAD" "HAHA NO I'M NOT" bullshit writing right there. I would've liked it if it happened once or twice, or hell, 3 times, but not every single fucking minute.

"HAHA WE BETRAYED YOU" a minute later "HAHA WE ACTUALLY KIDDING WE BETRAYED THE OTHER GUYS. HAHA" ... Like seriously Sorach could've fucking used something that's called foreshadowing not fucking retcon everything that happens in this episode.

I hoped this arc will be different from all the awful action arcs in this series but guess I was expecting too much. The writing in this episode is seriously worse than most of the action arcs in this series. Like seriously, holy fuck this episode.

Eh, that's a reasonable complaint and one I hope gets clarified through the arc, but it is kind of unfair. The arc has just started and the characters are still defining their role in it. What the series is doing is basically taking advantage of this uncertainty and playing with its cards. At this point of the arc it has the freedom and justification to do so, if it keeps accumulating plot twists once the factions are fully established I would consider this a flaw. Not at the current moment.
Dec 13, 2015 5:45 AM

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"TOSHIIII" - Kagura
Lol that was hilarious. Also Kamui vs Okita fight was pretty cool!
Dec 14, 2015 3:36 PM

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Ooh I think there was a reference to Tenkuu no Shiro Laputa when Kamui got called a "punk Sheeta" B)
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Real highlight of this episode is Sougo vs Kamui. It was short, but a great fight. Our two bloodlusted killers.
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Okay, Gorilla author-kun really knows how to make a joke play into a scene. "Shogun kayo!!!"
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Dec 23, 2015 3:10 PM
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Wow them plot twists though.

Favorite part of the episode was definitely the Sougo and Kamui fight.
Dec 30, 2015 9:00 AM

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Dayum, a lot went down in this episode. Kamui vs Okita was pretty awesome. I didn't think the shogun would die soo easily but was kinda surprised when he showed up in the end.
Dec 31, 2015 11:50 AM

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Perfect episode , lots of action, jokes, loved it, keep it up

Jan 3, 2016 12:38 PM

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holy shit.. awesome <3
Jan 22, 2016 8:42 AM

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glad to see shogun is back...i really like his character.
Apr 17, 2016 3:04 PM

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Freaking epic fights! I had a feeling the shogun wasn't really killed but I wasn't too sure. Good to see he's still alive :)
Apr 17, 2016 9:39 PM

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Sogo and Kamui's fight was intense man.. but I sure am glad the real Shogun is safe. But what the hell is really happening though? What's Hattori Zenzo planning?

For the first time ever the: "It's the SHOGUN!" was used for something serious
Jun 11, 2016 2:50 AM
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I loved this episode so much I could cry
Jun 22, 2016 5:19 PM

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Decent episode, this arc seems to be quite heavy action packed as well!
Aug 6, 2016 11:33 PM

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I haven't been super glued to an anime episode in such a long time. Goddamn that was good! Kamui vs Sougo fight is so fucking hype.

Toshirou cutting that guys leg was a beautiful moment, but Kagura saying "TOSHIIII" was just as good, haha.

While I'm glad the Shogun is alive, him being dead would have been better for a mark darkening feel.
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Subarashi episode, with a surprise ends of chapter!!!!! Shogun is alive!!!!
Nov 17, 2016 5:00 AM

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Sougo is Really Something Huh?... "Don't look down on Earth policeman"

Really Like His character... Even though his face is Written "I'll stab you in the back if you are not Careful" and Yeah Overall Great Episode And I feel great Watching it 5/5
Front Hooks...Oh yeah...
Jan 2, 2017 4:27 PM

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This was the most EPIC EPISODE EVER!! I suspected that Okita was a Yato, and that battle was just awesome. SO HYPED!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 21, 2017 8:55 AM

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The Shogun is alive, then who did Zanzo kill??
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Feb 4, 2017 8:48 AM

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It's been a long time since Okita was not serious during a fight. This fight was awesome, I was so focused on the fight that I could barely breathe. Okita is so strong!!!
The blood was well done when Zenzo took the head.
I wonder who was killed by Zenzo.
So much hype!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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That was so intense lol loved every bit of it.
Oct 16, 2017 1:30 PM

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For once Shogun Kayo wasn't used in a comedic moment XD

Wow!! This arc has been nothing short of epic so far. Okita vs. Kamui was awesome. The animation was very smooth. It was like watching a movie. It's so amazing to see characters such as Okita and Sacchan take on more serious roles and show their badass side :> I'm glad the Shogun is alive, but I have many questions. I still don't think he'll make it out alive from this arc.
Jan 8, 2018 6:15 PM
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Shogun kayooo!!!!!!
Jan 8, 2018 6:16 PM
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This episode was epic!
Jan 28, 2018 2:37 AM

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Was screaming during the entire episode. The animation of sougo vs kamui was breathtaking.
“TOSHIII!”
Feb 21, 2018 5:18 AM

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Okita vs Kamui was so friggin lit.

Hijikata and Kondous saving entrance was hype too.

It's the Shogun!What a great way to end the episode and considering his backround I was expecting such a reveal.

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May 12, 2018 3:09 PM
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SHOGUUUUNNNNNNN KAYYOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Awesome friggin ep. The end was amazing! But like the preview said. Who did Zenzou kill then?? That really did seem like the real Shigeshige. And does Zenzou know? I'm pretty sure he does...I think ^^;

The biggest highlight of the ep was ofc Kamui vs Sogo. That was so friggin epic!! I knew Sogo is a friggin beast but to be on par with Kamui?! HOLY SHIT!
The fight was amazing and brutal. The way Sogo cut the bullet aimed at Soyohime at the start was BA AF! Loved all the crazy faces they both made.

I was actually trolled a bit. I really thought Sogo lost a hand for a second there since I heard there will be irreversible shit in this arc.

I wonder what Sogo would think if he knew he's Kagura's brother lol

The Takasugi scenes were awesome! And the way the Yato REKT the Iga clan. DAMN! XD
I wonder why the Mummy looking one is with the Shogun tho ^^;?

Some nice individual scenes were Gin stabbing the store lady/Ninja. BA!
And Kamui parodying goku XD
And Kagura's "TOSHIIIIII" was so cute and hilarious XD



This entire post above ... ditto. ^^^
My neck is sore from all the twists in this ep!
Dec 31, 2018 5:37 AM

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BEST ARC OF GINTAMA HANDS FUCKING DOWN

Feb 7, 2019 9:38 AM

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nobody is going to mention how the power scaling is completely nonsensical?
if u go by the powers levels shown to us until now, sougo shouldnt do any damage to kamui...
power levels should be somewhere like this (based on previous encounters):
Kamui >= Housen > gintoki >>>>>>> hijikata >= sougo
basing this on serious encounters in the show.
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nobody is going to mention how the power scaling is completely nonsensical?
if u go by the powers levels shown to us until now, sougo shouldnt do any damage to kamui...
power levels should be somewhere like this (based on previous encounters):
Kamui >= Housen > gintoki >>>>>>> hijikata >= sougo
basing this on serious encounters in the show.


Powerscaling? This ain't DBZ. Sougo doesn't have the strength to beat Kamui in an arm wrestle but he has the wits and swordsmanship. Each side's strengths and weaknesses is quite clearly portrayed in this battle.
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Germs_N_Spices said:
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nobody is going to mention how the power scaling is completely nonsensical?
if u go by the powers levels shown to us until now, sougo shouldnt do any damage to kamui...
power levels should be somewhere like this (based on previous encounters):
Kamui >= Housen > gintoki >>>>>>> hijikata >= sougo
basing this on serious encounters in the show.


Powerscaling? This ain't DBZ. Sougo doesn't have the strength to beat Kamui in an arm wrestle but he has the wits and swordsmanship. Each side's strengths and weaknesses is quite clearly portrayed in this battle.


thats some next level reaching lol
do u think powerscaling is exclusive for DBZ? many shows maintain (or at least try to maintain) some kind of powerscaling, especially shounens. and its never based solely on physical power but overall skills.
talking about gintama now - no use try to make excuses for the show. Kamui is no amatuer who has nothing to offer but physical strength, or at least, thats not how the series portrayed him (or the Yato in general).
gintoki was portrayed as both incredibly strong and incredibly skilled.
Housen destroyed gintoki in a 1 on 1, even though gintoki is extremely skilled, because the power margin was too big. Kamui went toe to toe with Housen. are we going to pretend that Sougou is more skilled/stronger than gintoki now?
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That "ToshI" from Kagura got me . :D
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