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Mar 23, 2016 4:38 PM

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Oh god oh fuck

I just can't. That was the cruelest commercial break ever, and it's not even like I had commercials. Fuck that cut away just about destroyed me; I'm not strong enough for this shit.

Kondo was BA for the first damn time in 300+ episodes, and turns out I actually care about his hairy gorilla ass, and my heart just broke for Hiji/Sougo when they thought he was dead.

Great job rallying the troops, Gin. Sasaki, you bastard, I'm about to name my daughter Nobume after that. God. Seriously. Wrecked.

15/5
Mar 23, 2016 4:44 PM

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vak47 said:
shanimebib said:


It is widely said that Gintama never entered full comedy after the SA arc in the manga and that's why SA arc was also referred to as the point of no return.

Expect one more run of Gintama which will pull curtain to one of the greatest anime ever that will most likely end with the manga. :')


Oh really ! well if thats the case then it might reach to another height !!! but but gintama will end :*( how this anime started out and now what has become of it ! they will end manga first and then anime i guess like all other titles,and when will they return(i don't read the news so i don't know much about that :)? And how far has manga reached any news when that will end?


Manga is about to enter final arc this year.

And if it finishes this year as well, we might get a new Gintama anime in April 2017 to adapt the rest from this point on. (If that's what they plan, who knows).
Mar 23, 2016 4:48 PM

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Manly tears overflowing... damn you Kondo...

Isaburo and Nobume back-story is really good... they are like father and daughter...
Mar 23, 2016 7:21 PM
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Every week Gintama is getting better than the last. Gintama is a gag anime but its real strengths are character development and these serious arcs. I can't believe that next episode will be the last one for this season.
Mar 23, 2016 8:39 PM

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CG-Silver said:
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Salty they didn't color this in




Other than that, obvious 5/5 is obvious.

By "color this in" do you mean the cool effect they usually do like in the ending of the first few episodes of this arc?
Nah I mean they should've animated that page as a scene, instead of how they did it separately.


Btw, what cool effects? I don't remember any xD
Mar 23, 2016 8:50 PM

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ziggy_Z said:
CG-Silver said:

By "color this in" do you mean the cool effect they usually do like in the ending of the first few episodes of this arc?
Nah I mean they should've animated that page as a scene, instead of how they did it separately.


Btw, what cool effects? I don't remember any xD

Oh so this is what you meant. I thought separate was also great although that panel in manga is out of this world.

I meant this effect:



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Mar 23, 2016 8:53 PM

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CG-Silver said:
ziggy_Z said:
Nah I mean they should've animated that page as a scene, instead of how they did it separately.


Btw, what cool effects? I don't remember any xD

Oh so this is what you meant. I thought separate was also great although that panel in manga is out of this world.

I meant this effect:


Ahh, that would've been pretty cool way to do it.
Mar 23, 2016 9:06 PM

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Epic and really emotional Episode, Simply amazing in every way.
Teared up on many occasions ;_;

Actually thought Kondo died from the look on Hijikata and Sougo's faces, Never thought I'd be happy to see those pills.

Loved Katsura's small talk about how no matter what kind of Ideal, Conviction that Humans talk about in the end all they really want is companionship.

The conversation between Nobume and Sasaki about how they just wanted to stay by someone's side followed by the birth of the name 'Nobume- Child of Faith' and the inevitable death of Sasaki was just way too much for me to handle :(

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This was a really nice touch with nobume's eyes before and after this arc


The change in Nobume's eyes in the PV is a really beautiful but bittersweet change, Loved it.


Gintama ending next week :(, Why are they bent on making me sad?:(
Mar 23, 2016 9:59 PM

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Isaboro Sasakin RIP T____T
Mar 23, 2016 10:44 PM

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It's raining quite hard today isn't it? T^T RIP Sasaki Isaburo, you will be sincerely missed

I need to prepare for more tissues for the next/last episode, I guess...
Mar 23, 2016 11:25 PM

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I really liked the way they animated that flashback scene. Gonna be an emotional one next week.
:)
Mar 24, 2016 3:21 AM

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IMNOTCRYINIMNOTCRYINIMNOTCRYINIMNOTCRYINIMNOTCRYINIMNOTCRYIN

I chant this spell when i watch this episode. I have a got a spoiler from some friend that read the manga. Well, It's kind of disappointed that Nobume isn't the one who killed Sasaki's family. It really turned me down because Nobume's word from the other episode. Gorilla is really crash my heart into a piece ;w;

It make me more sad because next week will be the last episode.


Mar 24, 2016 6:16 AM
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I finally caught up with this series(been behind on three episodes) and my god..this was an emotional roller coaster. To see so much develop within this short of amount of time was insane!

Sasaki's backstory made me cry truly because it was a such a bitter thing for him but its also ironically touching because he still has a daughter that will live on.

Yeah, I cried tears.
Gintama is going on hiatus probably on the best note since we will all be ready for what's to come after this.
Mar 24, 2016 9:14 AM

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just one word....epic!!!
Mar 24, 2016 10:14 AM

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Great episode, one more to go.

JizzyHitler said:
This was a really nice touch with nobume's eyes before and after this arc


Agreed.
Mar 24, 2016 10:52 AM

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T his episode had so many plot twists and the twistiest plot twist of them all was Sasaki's death. I really believed he was gonna make it or at least die in Nebume's arms. This is so sad. As much as it pains me but the current arcs of Gintama is the reason I started watching it.
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you!
Mar 24, 2016 11:27 AM

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Even the death of a side character in Gintama will make you cry, this is why i love Gintama, there's no such thing as side characters. The bonds between every single character make the "Gintama" it self. just simply brilient

So basically next week will be the last episode, omg i can't believe Gintama is ending this fast. my heart is not ready for this.. i need a hug really
Mar 24, 2016 3:03 PM

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me : "i already read manga anyways, no way i would get that emotional".
BNP: "now cry you little bitch"
me : "FUCK YOU"

anyways, 10/10.

for everyone wondering about utsuro previous week, i just saying that shouyo sensei is
that's all.
TyrelMar 24, 2016 3:13 PM
"If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on."
Mar 24, 2016 4:15 PM

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Feeltama ....I better go read manga and hope they will air my favorite show again....
Mar 24, 2016 8:23 PM

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Wow death's in Gintama are the most saddest since you've been watching some of these characters for years be part of the normal banter that this show's about and out of nowhere they're dead. Shocking, and well played the death was not in vein and was executed perfectly to hit them feels. The whole animation was spot on as well, not so in the start but around the middle. Great uses of soundtracks etc, 5/5 as usual.
Mar 25, 2016 2:53 AM

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I got teary-eyed when Nobume and Tetsunosuke were helping Isaburo stay upright as they tried to escape. :( So many feels.

I never knew I'd come to like Sasaki Isaburo. I mean, I liked his obsession with texting and mobile phones before but nothing else. Now my heart is aching for him TT___TT
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Mar 25, 2016 5:23 PM
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Superb episode, very well executed. I didn't cry but I couldn't help feeling that small pain in my heart and throat when I watched the flashbacks of Isaburo trying to name his child. And depression just kicked in when he was down :(

I can't believe only one episode left. What will I do every Wednesday now?
Mar 25, 2016 6:32 PM

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Well ****, I always liked Sasaki.

Gintama is supposed to make me fall of my chair laughing or shiver with amazing fights, and then this season has constantly made me feel things and shit... My heart feels betrayed.

Mar 26, 2016 6:02 AM

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JizzyHitler said:
This was a really nice touch with nobume's eyes before and after this arc


beautiful T__T

#just me trying to get out of the chars rule
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Mar 26, 2016 10:55 PM

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That ringtone will forever echo in my ears..
Nobume... </////3
At least your eyes have finally brightened.
Mar 29, 2016 2:37 AM

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I don't want Gintama to end!!!!! Please no!!!!
Apr 1, 2016 6:07 AM

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ISABUROOOOOO! NOOO :(((((((((( (the tearsss)
[random thought: I love how most or maybe all of the "bad guys" aren't really bad at all in Gintama.]
That speech the Gintoki gave when they thought Isao was dead, & were about to give up (the tears) :((
I'm glad they all pulled together when they needed to <3
Apr 3, 2016 10:13 PM

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I really disliked Sasaki when he was first introduced to the anime and I feel so sad about his death now. Oh damn Gintama why do you do this to me. I feel so bad for Nobume too now ;__;
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Apr 8, 2016 11:36 PM

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Wow so many twists!!

I really thought Kondo had died, It looked like his head was beheaded.

Isaburo reamin the hero at the end. Poor Nobume. Bastard Utsuro killing him like that.

I doubt Oboro will be killed just like that.

Man so we're not seeing Takasugi till next season :(

Last episode!!!!!
Apr 18, 2016 4:02 PM

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The way Sasaki handled some things pissed me off but you could tell he wasn't all that bad because of all the cellphone/texting gags. Turns out he was just a tragic hero who's only reason to keep on living was revenge, that is until his last moments :( Also found it interesting that Nobume wasn't the one who killed his wife and daughter but actually tried to save them. All these feels.
Apr 19, 2016 11:32 PM

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Never really cared much for Sasaki until the last few episodes. Who would've known he's such a tragic character. RIP. Well that's sad but what's sadder is that the next episode is the last one. :(
May 12, 2016 7:32 PM
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I think Sasaki had the saddest backstory in this anime. ;-; Poor him. I knew that Kondo didn't die, but I didn't expect Sasaki to pass away.

Nobume. <3

Some of the stuff they said was poignant, but as usual, they do get kind of cheesy with their dialogue.
May 23, 2016 11:44 AM

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Ah, so many feels... Poor Nobume... It was to be expected that Isaburo would die. As for Kondo, I was sure he used that pill to put himself into "suspended animation" :D And Oboro isn't probably dead yet...

After the episode Kondo-san was supposedly dead, I put Gintama on hold and wanted to end it quickly, because I couldn't accept what happened. Recently I've resumed watching and I'm really glad I did so.
Now I don't want it to end xD Though I'm aware it probably won't happen, but I'd like it go back to being more comedy.
Jun 5, 2016 10:53 AM

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damn feels roymustang.jpg

Jun 30, 2016 10:29 AM

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Decent development and buildup towards the ending, let's see what the last episode will have to offer us!
Jul 1, 2016 7:40 AM

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"Oh yeah we said Gintoki killed his teacher, the person that everyone respected and looked up to, BUT WAIT WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF HE WASN'T DEAD AFTER ALL AND HE WAS RANDOMLY SOME EVIL SUPER GOD AND GINTOKI HAD TO FIGHT HIM!?!?"

"Oh yeah whitey dude is some heartless bastard who just wants to watch the whole country crumble, collapse, and burn. OH BUT WAIT WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY WANT ANY OF THAT AND HE WAS SECRETLY JUST A HOMELY FAMILY GUY AT HEART WHO ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT AND RESPECTS THOSE AROUND HIM?"

"Oh yeah souless-eye girl is just some heartless killer who cares not for anyone, killed whitey dude's wife and child, OH BUT WAIT she's actually just a misunderstood girl who wants to be cared for. OH AND WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF SHE ACTUALLY DIDN'T KILL WHITEY DUDE'S FAMILY AND ACTUALLY TRIED TO SAVE THEM THE ENTIRE TIME?"

This whole arc is nothing but "Wouldn't it be cool if?..." writing. It's abysmal. I'm struggling to sit through this. The writing is absolutely garbage and every character's personality and goals are constantly getting double taked. Countless amounts of fake "oh this character is dead/going to die now" followed up by "wait they aren't actually dead haha jk". Nobody in this entire show right now is actually in any kind of danger, every non-named generic enemy is a pushover who dies instantly if any of the named cast so much as sneezes in their direction. "Oh, giant squardron of elite soldiers just showed up? Too bad for them, I'm part of the Main Cast™ and I'm wearing my complementary set of Plot Armor© so it actually just doesn't matter". Whitey cops and blacky cops are at each other's throats, killing each other, and then a few flashbacks later they're all chummy buddies who are trying to save each other.

This is so bad. How does this still have a 9.39 rating on MAL? Gintama was a completely, entirely different show during its first two seasons. Go back and rewatch some of the first episodes, and it's like you're watching an entirely different show. This isn't the same Gintama I fell in love with anymore. This is bottom tier garbage that's only keeping my attention because I've become attached to the characters, but even the characterization of everyone in this series is just being chopped up, mixed around, and forgotten about. Only one episode left and I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad Gintama is ending. I'm just going to pretend like this never happened. I have to go rewatch the first few seasons now to wash this trash out of my mind.
LarasoJul 1, 2016 8:23 AM
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Laraso said:
"Oh yeah we said Gintoki killed his teacher, the person that everyone respected and looked up to, BUT WAIT WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF HE WASN'T DEAD AFTER ALL AND HE WAS RANDOMLY SOME EVIL SUPER GOD AND GINTOKI HAD TO FIGHT HIM!?!?"

This actually has been foreshadowed quite some times. It's not just a "WHAT IF" situation, the manga really explains the depth of Utsuro's character. Trust me, he is just not any other generic villain. To understand his character better, you can read chapters 590, 591, 593, 594.

Laraso said:
"Oh yeah whitey dude is some heartless bastard who just wants to watch the whole country crumble, collapse, and burn. OH BUT WAIT WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF HE DIDN'T ACTUALLY WANT ANY OF THAT AND HE WAS SECRETLY JUST A HOMELY FAMILY GUY AT HEART WHO ACTUALLY CARES ABOUT AND RESPECTS THOSE AROUND HIM?"

He never wanted the country to crumble, collapse, and burn. He was just following order as a police officer is supposed to. There is nothing wrong with obeying the law.

Laraso said:
"Oh yeah souless-eye girl is just some heartless killer who cares not for anyone, killed whitey dude's wife and child, OH BUT WAIT she's actually just a misunderstood girl who wants to be cared for. OH AND WOULDN'T IT BE COOL IF SHE ACTUALLY DIDN'T KILL WHITEY DUDE'S FAMILY AND ACTUALLY TRIED TO SAVE THEM THE ENTIRE TIME?"

Now I'm failing to understand what's the problem here. This might be more on a personal level for you so I can't really see what's the complaining about. It's normal for any series to have it's fair share of revelations.

Laraso said:
This whole arc is nothing but "Wouldn't it be cool if?..." writing. It's abysmal. I'm struggling to sit through this. The writing is absolutely garbage and every character's personality and goals are constantly getting double taked.
Anything for any anime can be told by your WHAT IF situation. I'm not even joking, put any series here and I'll insert a WHAT IF and make unreasonable arguments on it. The character development and growth is actually one of the best in this arc. We got to know Shinsengumi on more of a personal level and how hopeless they could be without their leader.

Laraso said:
This is so bad. How does this still have a 9.39 rating on MAL? Gintama was a completely, entirely different show during its first two seasons. Go back and rewatch some of the first episodes, and it's like you're watching an entirely different show. This isn't the same Gintama I fell in love with anymore. This is bottom tier garbage that's only keeping my attention because I've become attached to the characters, but even the characterization of everyone in this series is just being chopped up, mixed around, and forgotten about. Only one episode left and I never thought I'd say this, but I'm glad Gintama is ending. I'm just going to pretend like this never happened. I have to go rewatch the first few seasons now to wash this trash out of my mind.

This show actually doesn't have a 9.39 on MAL, double check to make sure you're checking MALs ratings and not any other site.

Gintama wasn't just going to finish with a "happy go lucky" ending. It has a plot and it can't be ignoring the issues at hand. This is no "top tier garbage", you're being over-dramatic because they finally started tackling with the main issues. The characterisation had no issues what so ever, they may act like they don't care about each other but whenever there was a problem, these characters did show their true colors and how they care about each other.

I actually have no problems with your over-dramatic situation, but the way you've phrased most of your sentences seems like a baseless and pathetic criticism that most of the time doesn't exist. You could've just written that you're afraid of change and that'd have made more sense. Lastly, calm down, you're hitting the CAPS way too hard :)

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CG-Silver said:
This actually has been foreshadowed quite some times. It's not just a "WHAT IF" situation, the manga really explains the depth of Utsuro's character. Trust me, he is just not any other generic villain. To understand his character better, you can read chapters 590, 591, 593, 594.


The only thing this anime showed was his backstory, which led all the way up to the part where Gintoki supposedly killed him. That's it, that's all they ever showed in the anime, and they never raised any suspicion that he might still be alive. I never read the manga so if it's foreshadowed there, then whatever. If so, they did a piss poor job of translating that to the anime.

CG-Silver said:
He never wanted the country to crumble, collapse, and burn. He was just following order as a police officer is supposed to. There is nothing wrong with obeying the law.


He wasn't following orders, if you pay any attention to what was happening they clearly explained that he planned everything out and led everyone here in hopes to kill everyone off including himself and end the era of Samurai (which if you go back and watch the first few episodes of the original seasons of Gintama, that era is supposed to already be long gone and samurai are supposed to be virtually extinct already, but somewhere along the line the author of Gintama forgot everything about the original premise of this series and broke that plot point a loooong time ago so it's somewhat irrelevant in this context). Then, a few flashbacks later, suddenly he doesn't care about that anymore and he spontaneously tries to save the people he was literally up until a few moments ago trying to kill. That's not character development, that's bad writing.

CG-Silver said:
Now I'm failing to understand what's the problem here. This might be more on a personal level for you so I can't really see what's the complaining about. It's normal for any series to have it's fair share of revelations.


The problem is that the anime leads you up to believe that she's a heartless killer who doesn't care about anyone, and then at breakneck speeds just spontaneously breaks that entire archetype they created for her, and she spontaneously starts acting like a human being. It's not the fact that she had a hidden personality that got revealed that bothered me, it's the fact that the way the story was written in which that hidden personality was revealed was extremely messy and very poorly written. After revealing that she's not so heartless deep down, they also reveal that she originally killed Sasaki's family, but then very quickly later retract that and go "oh nope actually she tried to save them". All of the flashbacks leading up to that were building on the fact that she killed his family, that she was some sort of "child of death", and then BAM out of nowhere they spontaneously reverse that and now she's actually just a good girl who tried to save everyone. So Sasaki and Nobume have known each other since her childhood, all this time with the idea that she had killed his family, and then randomly at the end of the episode Sasaki goes "oh but maybe that was wrong this entire time, this crazy idea just came to me that maybe you actually just tried to save them lol, its cool". This was never discussed between them before? They never had a conversation about this until just now? And if that was the case this entire time, why spend half the episode showing flashbacks holding back information in order to lead people to believe one thing, if you're just going to reverse that and say something completely different happened in the last half? Get real.

CG-Silver said:
Anything for any anime can be told by your WHAT IF situation. I'm not even joking, put any series here and I'll insert a WHAT IF and make unreasonable arguments on it. The character development and growth is actually one of the best in this arc. We got to know Shinsengumi on more of a personal level and how hopeless they could be without their leader.


You're clearly not understanding what is meant by "What if?". When I say that the plot can be summed up by "Wouldn't it be cool if...?", I'm saying that the plot is very poorly written and it gives the impression that whoever came up with the plot was all out of ideas and just started continuously putting in the first idea that came to mind that sounded cool, without any actual planning or attention to detail, or regards to characters. There was a lot of character development in this episode, yes, but it was bad and terribly written and usually felt very spontaneous.

You also conveniently left out the last part of that paragraph I wrote, criticizing the overwhelming amount of plot armor the characters have, and also the spontaneous change of heart that occured between the entire shinsengumi and mimawarigumi for no real reason (which is especially retarded considering that there was a huge animosity between those two groups, and it suddenly just all goes away because we are shown a couple of flashbacks). Do you not have a response to that?

CG-Silver said:
This show actually doesn't have a 9.39 on MAL, double check to make sure you're checking MALs ratings and not any other site.


You're right, and 9.39 was a typo, I meant to type 9.28 but my finger was one letter to far to the left. Regardless, a difference of .11 in rating makes hardly any difference at all.

CG-Silver said:
Gintama wasn't just going to finish with a "happy go lucky" ending. It has a plot and it can't be ignoring the issues at hand. This is no "top tier garbage", you're being over-dramatic because they finally started tackling with the main issues. The characterisation had no issues what so ever, they may act like they don't care about each other but whenever there was a problem, these characters did show their true colors and how they care about each other.


I never said I wanted a "happy go lucky ending". I sure didn't want this huge, messy, pathetic excuse for a plot though. And yes, there was problems with the characterization, and there has been for quite a while now, not just in this season but also the past season as well. This arc was just the breaking point where I can barely even recognize the characters anymore. Go watch the first couple of seasons of Gintama and you'll feel like you're watching a completely different show.

CG-Silver said:
I actually have no problems with your over-dramatic situation, but the way you've phrased most of your sentences seems like a baseless and pathetic criticism that most of the time doesn't exist. You could've just written that you're afraid of change and that'd have made more sense. Lastly, calm down, you're hitting the CAPS way too hard :)


This whole last paragraph just reads as you being a condescending prick and completely disregarding my opinion. Not even going to bother responding if you keep that up.
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This whole last paragraph just reads as you being a condescending prick and completely disregarding my opinion. Not even going to bother responding if you keep that up.

Calm down Mr. Hot Boiled Blooded-kun, you're being way too triggered for a small argument on internet. I've never disregarded your opinion, I'm disregarding your way of speaking though. I'll be posting on your profile rather than write here since you've actually listed down your problem rather than writing your frustration like in your previous post. Remember this is a discussion, let's not be angry over a discussion :)

Btw I didn't know you'd fall for a bait so hard
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That was the saddest episode I have ever seen, I was legit crying. They played the perfect ost at the right moment too.
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I really hope he died, and doesn't come back all cliche and shit.

Amazing episode! I so many feels, and just everything about this episode was amazing!

I was also going to say "Man it would be cool if Nobume joins either Shinsengumi or odd jobs and we could have some great funny moments!" but we can't have it :(

Fuck I don't want to watch the next episode! :(
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Wtf, since when did Gintama turn into a Game of Thrones or Akame ga Kill?

1000/10

But I want the good old days back nevertheless.
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I've seen so many emotional animes, but I have never cried as much as I have in this one episode. I love Gintama.
Jan 26, 2017 3:34 PM

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I never thought I'd shed a tear for Isaburo of all people 😭😭
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The first and last time i'll ever cry watching a man read text messages :( RIP Sasaki, i wanted you to live
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Laraso said:


He wasn't following orders, if you pay any attention to what was happening they clearly explained that he planned everything out and led everyone here in hopes to kill everyone off including himself and end the era of Samurai (which if you go back and watch the first few episodes of the original seasons of Gintama, that era is supposed to already be long gone and samurai are supposed to be virtually extinct already, but somewhere along the line the author of Gintama forgot everything about the original premise of this series and broke that plot point a loooong time ago so it's somewhat irrelevant in this context). Then, a few flashbacks later, suddenly he doesn't care about that anymore and he spontaneously tries to save the people he was literally up until a few moments ago trying to kill. That's not character development, that's bad writing.

CG-Silver said:
Now I'm failing to understand what's the problem here. This might be more on a personal level for you so I can't really see what's the complaining about. It's normal for any series to have it's fair share of revelations.


The problem is that the anime leads you up to believe that she's a heartless killer who doesn't care about anyone, and then at breakneck speeds just spontaneously breaks that entire archetype they created for her, and she spontaneously starts acting like a human being. It's not the fact that she had a hidden personality that got revealed that bothered me, it's the fact that the way the story was written in which that hidden personality was revealed was extremely messy and very poorly written. After revealing that she's not so heartless deep down, they also reveal that she originally killed Sasaki's family, but then very quickly later retract that and go "oh nope actually she tried to save them". All of the flashbacks leading up to that were building on the fact that she killed his family, that she was some sort of "child of death", and then BAM out of nowhere they spontaneously reverse that and now she's actually just a good girl who tried to save everyone. So Sasaki and Nobume have known each other since her childhood, all this time with the idea that she had killed his family, and then randomly at the end of the episode Sasaki goes "oh but maybe that was wrong this entire time, this crazy idea just came to me that maybe you actually just tried to save them lol, its cool". This was never discussed between them before? They never had a conversation about this until just now? And if that was the case this entire time, why spend half the episode showing flashbacks holding back information in order to lead people to believe one thing, if you're just going to reverse that and say something completely different happened in the last half? Get real.



Adult Nobume had been portrayed to be a coldhearted killer "in the battlefield" Like a different variation of Sogo, hence the rivalary. Not once did I percieve her as an indiscriminate killer, nor have I noticed anyone seeing it that way. Both herself and Isaburo were introduced -and continued to act- as firm policemen with mysterious underlying motives, with the latter being the mastermind, and the former his faithful servant.

As for the flashback.. If my memory serves me right, the first time Nobume was officially revealed to have (presumably) murdered Isaburo's family, was the same scene in which she didn't defend herself, telling him to kill her as she teared up. That was foreshadowing in and by itself! Some identity or expression problems continued to persist within her as a result of being torn between Naraku's madness, Shoyo's noble teachings, and being used as a tool even by Isaburo. That made her come across as an emotionless weirdo who is hard to read.

Isaburo had conflicted feelings about her, as expressed in his occasional phrase "The bastard child of Death" He was subconciously conditioning himself to believe that she had been the assassin, an emotionless killing machine, so as to make it easier on himself to use her as a tool. His fatherly instincts gradually grew as he found himself attached to her. And so at one point in time, he changed her name from Mukuro (Corpse/Skeleton), to Nobume (Girl of Faith) a name he intended for his daughter. It's bittersweet, because Isaboru was in the end of the day an asshole. A likeable asshole whose bitter feelings for revenge, which entailed using Nobume as a tool, outweighed his feelings of love. And perhaps he also couldn't muster the courage to confess. He's a likeable fallen hero whose backstory is genuinely heartbreaking. I appreciate how he didn't direct his anger and sadness towards the destruction of everything, unlike the emotional-wreck that is Takasugi.

Each to their own but I found their story unique, coherent, and beautiful.
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Gintama fanbase so heated that this ain't in 2nd place no more. =]
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Xeno_Wrath33x said:
Gintama fanbase so heated that this ain't in 2nd place no more. =]

>Posting a worthless comment because of delusional belief;
>Caring about ratings of other anime.

I feel sorry for you.
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Here we go again,another feels trip sponsored by Gintama,this show is just so unbelieveable good at it.

There was a lot of focus on Sasaki,a character I never really cared for,but the whole exploration of his and Nobumes past was so well done and climaxed in a spectacular death scene,worth the whole build up.

Think Gintama is the franchise which made me tear up the most,right after One Piece.

One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron


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Nooooooo NOT ISABUROOOO

Goddamit Gintama :'( Hitting it right in the Kokoro...

Already can predict I'm going to cry in the next episode :'( as if crying in this episode and in Takasugi's monologue wasn't enough :'(

WAAAAAHHH
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