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Oct 17, 2013 7:03 AM

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1idd0kun said:
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The youngest son is a Natural Human named Yakushimaru.


Just wanted to make a correction here. Yakushimaru is indeed a natural human, but he's not Myoe and Koto's biological son. He was adapted into their family. One of the ONA reveals this.


Yes of course. My bad. I will correct above. Thanks.

Also, weirdly enough, he was adopted, but since First Myoue gave him his DNA, he is now sorta technically biologically related to them in a weird mystical way.

I am going to try and put this together as a blog post this weekend and add pictures from the show and ONA just to make things clear.
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FRANKY IS NOW A HEAD PRIEST MY GOD
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It's incredible how such meh choppy ONAs with no plot spawned such a good series. Finally everything is starting to make sense.
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Past story now shifts from the three siblings (who now live in "Kyoto the mirror capital" -- always find the wordplay intriguing) to Koto the girl. Lovely story but it got me confused as to who her master is -- is he the father who took off with the black rabbit Koto in ep.1 ? How come he looks so much younger now?

Anyway, it is interesting that right after Uchouten Kazoku, we have another anime that is located in Kyoto, with theme from Japanese legends and folklores, that is about family love of parents and siblings. And they both have really great visuals.
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old?

I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them?

I wonder how long people would put up with this.

As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series.
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symbv said:
Past story now shifts from the three siblings (who now live in "Kyoto the mirror capital" -- always find the wordplay intriguing) to Koto the girl. Lovely story but it got me confused as to who her master is -- is he the father who took off with the black rabbit Koto in ep.1 ? How come he looks so much younger now?

Anyway, it is interesting that right after Uchouten Kazoku, we have another anime that is located in Kyoto, with theme from Japanese legends and folklores, that is about family love of parents and siblings. And they both have really great visuals.


Yeah I called this anime Chou Uchouten Kazoku lol.

And yes, Inari, Koto's master, is most likely the First Myoue. Why does he seem younger? We don't know yet, but in a show like this anything can happen. It probably has to do with why he got separated from Usagi Koto during the years that passed between them leaving the Mirror Capital and him becoming Kitsune in Shrine.
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http://i.imgur.com/biWSGLk.jpg

Ha ha, god damn, way to make me even more confused.
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Amarrez said:
http://i.imgur.com/biWSGLk.jpg

Ha ha, god damn, way to make me even more confused.


Not really. If we establish that Inari (Kitsune) is actually First Myoue, then it makes total sense.
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http://i.imgur.com/biWSGLk.jpg

Ha ha, god damn, way to make me even more confused.


Not really. If we establish that Inari (Kitsune) is actually First Myoue, then it makes total sense.


My memory is not what it was, but I thought I read somewhere that Inari is Kyoto's older brother. This would make a bit more sense since it would bridge the ages between the "three siblings" and Koto, as well as explain why he is younger than First Myoue, in addition to complying with all the points raised above.
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My memory is not what it was, but I thought I read somewhere that Inari is Kyoto's older brother.


It must be something you read on a wiki article or something, because I can assure you that there's no official word stating such a thing.

They're no siblings.
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Great episode. Very cute and the Koto and Inari scenes were just heartwarming. This Anime is unexpectedly turning into something very good and unique. I'm liking both the OP and ED more with each episode. and the OST was also nice and pleasing to listen to. Looking forward to the next episode.
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1idd0kun said:
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My memory is not what it was, but I thought I read somewhere that Inari is Kyoto's older brother.


It must be something you read on a wiki article or something, because I can assure you that there's no official word stating such a thing.

They're no siblings.


Or some speculation somewhere. It was over a year ago when the OVA's first came out, so I don't remember where I read it (which is why I caveated my statement), it had just made sense to me at the time.

Thanks for letting me know about what is canonical.
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1idd0kun said:
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My memory is not what it was, but I thought I read somewhere that Inari is Kyoto's older brother.


It must be something you read on a wiki article or something, because I can assure you that there's no official word stating such a thing.

They're no siblings.


That would make no sense. In the 5th ONA, you say Usagi Koto holding MC Koto when she was a baby, and she later refers to Inari as "dad" so they can't be siblings if they're both her parents (I mean, technically it's possibly, but they probably aren't). The confusion comes from the fact that Inari is younger than First Myoue was, but this is a show about gods and alternate dimensions. I'm sure there's an explanation for why that happened.
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Here's the post I wrote. I tried to be as thorough and clear as possible but I can't be sure everything here is 100% accurate since we don't have all the info yet. Give it a look if you are confused.


Capital Confusion - A Guide to Kyousougiga
http://otakurevolution.com/content/capital-confusion-a-guide-to-kyousougiga
Oct 17, 2013 11:49 AM

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So I rewatched it about 5 times and I see where you're coming from. If you look closely, Koto DID take off the mask, and immediately Inari grabs the mask himself (took me awhile). So I'd still say he was just taken aback when Koto suddenly takes off his mask and tries to see if Inari was crying.


Eh, I suppose it's possible she was trying to see if he was crying but, I'd say it's more likely she was taking a good close examination of his face,taking in the similarities to her own. Hence, once she's satisfied with what she's found, she follows up by calling him Papa, much to Inari's shock lol.

And that's my nitpicking for the day ;P
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Loved the episode, this is an amazing series, the characters are awesome too :). Can't wait for the next episode!
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both inari and koto are food detroyers, that was a cute way to highlight how they're similar :3

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neontaster said:
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http://i.imgur.com/biWSGLk.jpg

Ha ha, god damn, way to make me even more confused.


Not really. If we establish that Inari (Kitsune) is actually First Myoue, then it makes total sense.

Isn't it pretty obvious that they're the same person, even though appearance wise, they aren't identical? Ishida Akira voices both the First Myoue and Inari, and if they aren't the same person, I doubt that they would cast him for the two characters AND let him use the same tone of voice. But I guess it could be possible that they aren't the same person,, and the staff did it to confuse us, though I doubt that's the case after all the other clues provided from the first two episodes.

Anyways, great episode. I love seeing Koto and Inari's relationship, they're so cute ^^
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Khaoticsuccubus said:
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So I rewatched it about 5 times and I see where you're coming from. If you look closely, Koto DID take off the mask, and immediately Inari grabs the mask himself (took me awhile). So I'd still say he was just taken aback when Koto suddenly takes off his mask and tries to see if Inari was crying.


Eh, I suppose it's possible she was trying to see if he was crying but, I'd say it's more likely she was taking a good close examination of his face,taking in the similarities to her own. Hence, once she's satisfied with what she's found, she follows up by calling him Papa, much to Inari's shock lol.

And that's my nitpicking for the day ;P


I'd like to respectfully disagree. Inari has no reason to be shocked when Koto calls him Papa, since Koto's been with Inari since she was born. Whether or not Koto knows Inari is her real father doesn't matter, but we can safely assume Koto definitely thinks of Inari as a father or at least a father figure. Koto was looking closely at Inari's eyes because she was looking to see if he was crying like the last time she remembered him crying. Thats why she follows up with the question "were you crying again, papa?" To which inari responds with "huh?" Because he didnt know back then that Koto was in the room when he was crying in his sleep, so he's confused as to why Koto would ask the question. Not to mention that the narration that comes afterwards is Koto saying "I have a secret" which is the secret of seeing Inari cry
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Koto now proves herself to be a fantastic character. This series runs on emotions without losing itself. The scripting and directing are masterful. I love it.

Just a bit concerned about its run time. Seems like its spending quite a few episodes on back stories. With only 10 episodes, I hope this series doesn't run into a corner.
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Koto is just soooooooooo precious
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Pretty good episode. Emotional too
Oct 17, 2013 6:53 PM

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About the the apparent age/height differences between Inari and the original Myoue,
Comparing the futuristic setting we see Inari and Koto in now with the one old Myoe and his family lived in the episode before, it's my guess that old Myoue has long sine died and has been reborn as Inari.
Kurama mentioned something like this (the Monk dying) in one of the ONA's and that's really all I'm working off of

We still don't know how MCkoto came into the mix (or how she ended up with rabbitKoto and Inari on the moon). Koto's definitely related to them, but I wonder if RabbitKoto and Inari actually had a child together... I just feel like there might be another explication.
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I was trying to explain things to someone on another message board, and ended up writing a fairly lengthy post explaining everything I understand up to this point. Hopefully some of you will find this helpful:




OK, so here's how I understand it:

There once was a priest named Myoue (call him First Myoue) who had the power to bring things to life by drawing them. He lived alone and drew magical things that came to life (he lives in the dimension where Shrine exists, but more on that later). One of the things he drew was a rabbit, and the rabbit fell in love with him. So the Goddess Koto (She's actually a bodhisattva, which is like a person who attained enlightenment in Buddhism, so in essence a type of demigod) decided to give the rabbit her body and then she became human-form Koto with rabbit ears (call her Usagi Koto).

So First Myoue and Usagi Koto get married and have 3 kids:

The Eldest son Kurama, who was created magically by drawing.
The Second daughter is Yase and was also created magically.
The youngest son is an adopted Natural Human named Yakushimaru.

So this family lives in the universe of Shrine. But the monks of Myoue's order are none too pleased that he created all these beings, so to escape their displeasure, the family enters the Mirror Capital (which is also called Kyoto but is written in Kanji with the characters for "mirror" and "capital." Typical Japanese homophone thing), which is a sealed off dimension that Myoue drew into existence, and live there.

Anyway, after a while Usagi Koto realizes that she will have to return the body to the Goddess Koto, but instead of parting with her, First Myoue departs the Mirror Capital with her, leaving the three children behind. But before they leave First Myoue passes on his DNA to Yakushimaru, the human son, and he then becomes Second Myoue (the guy with the scooter and the dog).

Now there is around a 10 year gap in the story during which 2 things happen that we know of:

1. First Myoue and Usagi Koto have another human child - That's the girl Koto (call her MC Koto).
2. First Myoue and Usagi Koto get separated somehow and she returns to her rabbit form.

The three siblings in the Mirror Capital grow older and become the Triumvirate of that dimension. They are rivals but have some kind of pact because of their familial relations.

Now, Shrine is some kind of transdimensional organization. I'm not sure of the purpose of it yet but it trains warriors so I imagine it is some kind of dimensional police. MC Koto is brought to Shrine as a child orphan for training and becomes the protege of Inari, otherwise known as Kitsune (the Fox Mask guy). One night Koto wakes up and follows a black rabbit to a hidden room in Shrine where she sees First Myoue's drawing of Mirror Capital and the original Rabbit Koto drawing, which means this was probably the universe where Myoue initially lived. She sees Inari asleep crying and calling out Koto's name and she puts 2 and 2 together, realizing that he is her father and Usagi Koto is her mother. So Inari is actually First Myoue. He also has those red eyes but nobody knows because only MC Koto ever sees him without his Fox Mask.

Then several years pass again, MC Koto grows older, and now she has traveled to the Mirror Capital to find her mother. We don't know how or why Usagi Koto is back in Mirror Capital, but we do know that Inari gave MC Koto the key you use to travel to Mirror Capital (like I said - it's a sealed universe. They even say at some point that they never get outside visitors). The key is that round talisman thing. Initially First Myoue uses it to take his family there, but then he gives it to MC Koto in Shrine.

The 2 familiars that Inari and MC Koto have are like her brothers (I guess Inari AKA First Myoue created them as well, and since his creations are considered his children, that would make them MC Koto's siblings. Their names are A and Un and for some reason they occasionally have human form but are sometimes those wispy electrical ghost things.


I think that's about it up to this point. MC Koto arrived in Mirror Capital and met Second Myoue, not knowing that he is her brother. He is taking care of her and A and Un until she can get back to her own dimension, which presumably she can do once she finds Usagi Koto.



You sir, deserve a cookie for explaining things like that.

I'm spotting some people writing that Usagi Koto, MC and Inari live on the moon together? Is it true?

I'd love to jump into the ONA and the original series, but I'm heavily occupied right now. I'd really appreciate anyone who could help me!
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You sir, deserve a cookie for explaining things like that.

I'm spotting some people writing that Usagi Koto, MC and Inari live on the moon together? Is it true?

I'd love to jump into the ONA and the original series, but I'm heavily occupied right now. I'd really appreciate anyone who could help me!


Haha no worries. It also helped me sort things out in my own brain. I actually worked this into a full blog post with lots of pictures here:

http://otakurevolution.com/content/capital-confusion-a-guide-to-kyousougiga

And regarding the moon - I don't know exactly what you mean because we are dealing with multiple points in time, but what the show calls "the present" - which is the moment when MC Koto arrived in Mirror Capital and met Second Myoue - Usagi Koto is in rabbit form somewhere in Mirror Capital and Inari is back in the universe of Shrine. At least that's what we think. In episode 00 we actually see Inari at one point but it isn't clear where or when that occurs in relation to the story.

These aspects of it kinda remind me of Penguindrum, which is a mindfuck and takes a while to fully understand, but I'm saying that as a huge compliment. I love stories that make you think like this.
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Ducat_Revel said:
Koto now proves herself to be a fantastic character. This series runs on emotions without losing itself. The scripting and directing are masterful. I love it.

Just a bit concerned about its run time. Seems like its spending quite a few episodes on back stories. With only 10 episodes, I hope this series doesn't run into a corner.


Haha same. One thing you can be relieved about, though, is that the series is actually 13 episodes, including episodes 0, 5.5 and 10.5. So maybe this anime will use its "special" episodes to fill up any essential side stories.
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AOTY

And thanks for the explanation, neon. That definitely helped clear up a few things. Even if some of the stuff ends up being wrong, it all seems reasonable at this point.
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I'm getting uchouten kazoku vibes from this, and this is a good thing
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Oct 18, 2013 12:36 PM

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I could keep watching this episode over and over again and I would still find it as heartwarning and cute as the first time.
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Oct 18, 2013 1:27 PM

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I can't stop listening to the OP. It's perfect.
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Araby said:
I can't stop listening to the OP. It's perfect.


And the OP sequence itself is also so great. Kill la Kill is getting all the attention but I have a feeling this will become one of my all time favorites.
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This show is so good. I can't wait to see more.
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Araby said:
I can't stop listening to the OP. It's perfect.


Just saw that the full version is being released on October 23rd. The song is Koko by Tamurapan.「ココ」- たむらぱん
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neontaster said:
Araby said:
I can't stop listening to the OP. It's perfect.


Just saw that the full version is being released on October 23rd. The song is Koko by Tamurapan.「ココ」- たむらぱん

Oh yes, Wednesday just got even better.
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I can't stop listening to the OP. It's perfect.
And the OP sequence itself is also so great. Kill la Kill is getting all the attention but I have a feeling this will become one of my all time favorites.
Agreed on both accounts. The OP sequence is adorable and this definitely has potential to make my favourites.

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Just saw that the full version is being released on October 23rd. The song is Koko by Tamurapan.「ココ」- たむらぱん
Sweet. I'm going to be driving for about three hours on Thursday, so it'll be nice to be able to play it in the car.
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Another strong episode! I guess it wasn't as strong as the first, but still great. I'm guessing the Chief Priest is Myoue's brother? Also, why is Inari shorter than he used to be... o.o Confusing.
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Araby said:
I can't stop listening to the OP. It's perfect.

Same here. It really explodes once it hits the chorus. Best OP of the season imo.
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@Ducat, Koybz, and neon: I'd definitely recommend checking out Tamurapan's latest album, wordwide. Yes, it's called wordwide, not worldwide, haha. I downloaded it a few hours ago and it's great. Very upbeat and fun, just like Koko.
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neontaster said:
Araby said:
I can't stop listening to the OP. It's perfect.


And the OP sequence itself is also so great. Kill la Kill is getting all the attention but I have a feeling this will become one of my all time favorites.


Agreed... It's really perfect...You can really feel the emotion on that OP
Best Opening this season

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So, I've been watching Kyousougiga and I'm having a hard time following all of the timelines.
Spoilers ahead.

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This show is so heartwarming and smooth. I have this strange feeling, I don't know what is it. The storytelling is voluntarily chaotic, a courageous choice but definitely worth it.
I will definitely keep watching it.

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That conversation between the 3 siblings we saw again makes a bunch more sense now. The 3 siblings(or at least Yase and Kurama) think Hammer Koto is their mother when in reality she's actually their younger sister. My question is did Inari and Waifu Koto successfully have a child when they left the Mirror Capital or is she another drawing like the first siblings..

Completely agreed. So, the whole show's purpose will be to anwer that question, and furthermore know if the siblings will be able to get back in the outer world.
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So, Koto's master (the fox mask guy) is also her father. who's the same person who drew Lady Koto (the black bunny) and the whole world of Kyoto, the Mirror Capital, is that right?


Yes.

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Is the timeline where he trains Koto set in the real world?


Yep. It's a hub world, the main world.

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Also, that happens after he leaves the mirror capital and Lady Koto disappears, is that right?


Yes, but Lady Koto doesn't disappears. She goes back to being a rabbit.

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Why does Koto leave the mirror capital? Weren't they supposed to leave all of their kids in the mirror capital? Is Koto a daughter he had after leaving?


Koto was born after they leave the mirror capital.

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So basically Koto managed to get back to the Mirror Capital and is looking for her mother?


No get back. It's the first time she gets there. And yeah, she's looking for her mother.

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Also, is Myoe related to Koto's family or is he just some random monk who took in Koto once she got back to the mirror capital?


Myoe is adult Yakushimaru, the human boy that Lady Koto and the original Myoe (Inari) adopted.

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Also, where are all of the other kids? I can only spot Yase in the present timeline.


All three of them are there. Yase is the blond woman, Yakushimaru is now Myoe, and Kurama is the old guy with the pointy hat.

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Are Shoko and Fushimi the other two kids?


No.


Hopes that helps.
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Thanks! It's all more clear now
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I still have no clue what's going on but I like it either way :p
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Aggron said:
I still have no clue what's going on but I like it either way :p


You should be able to find answers to many of your questions by going through this discussion, since there have been a lot of helpful responses.

But what's not making sense for you?
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after skimming through some pages here, I have a gist of what is going on thanks to some people. :D

but

my question can i just watch this series without watching the ona's / ovas ( I think there is the 1 episode ona, then the 5 episodes, then 1 special???)
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lolkano said:

my question can i just watch this series without watching the ona's / ovas ( I think there is the 1 episode ona, then the 5 episodes, then 1 special???)


You don't have to watch them. It seems that the anime is taking the content from the ONAs and expanding on them, so you should be good just watching this.
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neontaster said:
Araby said:
I can't stop listening to the OP. It's perfect.


And the OP sequence itself is also so great. Kill la Kill is getting all the attention but I have a feeling this will become one of my all time favorites.


Agreed... It's really perfect...You can really feel the emotion on that OP
Best Opening this season


I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this way. Looking forward to Wednesday!

On topic, the episode itself was really good. I think I see how the pieces are coming together now, but let me just get this straight:



I have a feeling that I'm way off, but still, this show is fantastic so far. I think we may have a winner on our hands here.
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lolkano said:

my question can i just watch this series without watching the ona's / ovas ( I think there is the 1 episode ona, then the 5 episodes, then 1 special???)


You don't have to watch them. It seems that the anime is taking the content from the ONAs and expanding on them, so you should be good just watching this.


yup, the episodes so far did cover the onas not leaving anything behind so it isn't really needed to watch them

yet for the same reason there are (almost) no spoilers in the onas(the 5 mini-episodes) now that 2 episodes have aired, so there should be no harm in watching them,
the main serie is likely going to expand on them all anyway, sooner or later

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