inim said: and Crest/Banner of the Stars.The latter even adds racial supremacy ideas. Ruh roh. That's on my PTW list. Is it confined to the setting, or does it get icky and make real-world connections? |
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RobertBobert said: vasipi4946 said: It's funny because it was made by a Communist. Lol, the main message of the first season is literally that you must not humiliate the losing side and that you must separate the nation and political power. Of course, the "authoritarian" position. I read somewhere recently that Youjo Senki was intended to be a serious critique of something or another but I never really got that feeling from it. Actually now that I think about it, the show made the communists look pretty bad. |
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epidemia78 said: RobertBobert said: Lol, the main message of the first season is literally that you must not humiliate the losing side and that you must separate the nation and political power. Of course, the "authoritarian" position. I read somewhere recently that Youjo Senki was intended to be a serious critique of something or another but I never really got that feeling from it. Actually now that I think about it, the show made the communists look pretty bad. The main target of the show is Japanese corporate culture and bureaucracy, which is metaphorized by quasi-Prussian militarism in the story. To a lesser extent, it also criticizes radical and romanticized ideologies like imperialism, nationalism, and "Amerika fuck yeah" type of patriotism. You can compare this to the overt Japanese nationalism and pro-militarism in shows like Mahouka and Gate. |
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| None since anime cannot be divided in those western concepts. First, there's no such thing as left-wing anime, that's their western and inferior counterpart known as western animation where they think that pandering and diversity is a substitute for good writing. Second, Anime is either politically neutral, apolitical or at least have some common sense topics that u claim are 'right-wing' (which its more appropriate to anime fans and most people in general). BL/GL isn't a "left-wing" anime despite having LGBT characters. An anime with LGBT characters doesn't mean its a "left-wing" anime. No author is forced to put 'representation' in anime, Japan isn't the West. Most people enjoy anime without caring much about the ambiguous political message (nonexistent in a lot of anime) we don't care too much except political fanatics. And 86 never denounced racism, it's just one of the many topics from that series. Same with Code Geass. |
NurguburuAug 14, 2022 2:16 PM
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Zelkiiro said: Most anime fall under LibCenter, leaning a bit Left. Freedom from authority is a common theme in many anime, and Japan is all about group effort and the collective good. There are stories with single idealized heroes, but there are a lot more that involve groups of heroes (or just groups). To demonstrate, I've helpfully plotted my favorites on the compass:  Your entire compass is questionable, but I'm most curious about Fate/Zero. Why do you think it's auth-right? |
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| i wonder on which side would Legend of the Galactic Heroes d land, it looked like it was critical of both |
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Weeaboo_Bomber said: For the people who don't have much time (to waste with bs): This whole thread is literally a bunch of kids who call their feelings opinions and project them onto chinese cartoon. Japanese people don't give a fuqq about politics, they wan't to see some guy sniffing his stepsisters panties in a dungeon. I hope you realize that japanese people aren't all just anime fans, they're people not some hive mind. politics exist in every country |
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Weeaboo_Bomber said: garlicdreab said: I hope you realize that japanese people aren't all just anime fans, they're people not some hive mind. politics exist in every country Lol, yes I know that politics exist in every country and I never even implied that japanese people are hive minds or whatever you read into my comment. This is a anime website and the question particularly refered to to politics in anime. I pointed out that japanese people probably just want to chill when watching anime and that they don't even care about politics (in ANIME) which is why most anime are about heros fighting demons or guys wanting to make out with their step sister and NOT politics. Stop misreading comments just to start a conflict. im not doing that, and politics exist in anime as well lmao, even the ones that are just heroes fighting demons. like I said, you cant just generalize that people "probably" do or don't like something. if there were no political undertones to anime this thread wouldn't exist. |
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-Berserklejerk- said: Zelkiiro said: Most anime fall under LibCenter, leaning a bit Left. Freedom from authority is a common theme in many anime, and Japan is all about group effort and the collective good. There are stories with single idealized heroes, but there are a lot more that involve groups of heroes (or just groups). To demonstrate, I've helpfully plotted my favorites on the compass: Your entire compass is questionable, but I'm most curious about Fate/Zero. Why do you think it's auth-right? A lot of the philosophy of the show revolves around the ideal of the Benevolent Leader and the importance of an orderly society, and how many who call themselves leaders fall short of that ideal. Because it questions things like the Divine Right of Kings, it doesn't go very far up the Auth-Right quadrant, but it does put it out there that a good leader, when one appears, is to be followed. It doesn't come right out and say "All monarchy is bad," as a more Libertarian story might state. Rather, you can view the Banquet of Kings as a philosophical statement on the different qualities a monarch should possess, and that one who possesses them all would be the ideal leader of a society. Also, Kirei sheds his obligations to his master and goes full anarchist and does whatever the fuck he wants, and this is very explicitly shown to be a bad thing. |
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Zelkiiro said: Is it confined to the setting, or does it get icky and make real-world connections? It promotes Ahb supremacy without connecting them to any real-world race. TheBlockernator said: I've seen plenty of his work and the only one that seems overtly political was Spirited Away and it's enviromentalism undertones. How can you think Spirited Away is more political than Nausicaa? 4esthetics said: I just realized that this thread is actually an exact copy of one of Deago’s threads lol. No wonder it looked so familiar to me. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1998854 I remember that thread too. |
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vasipi4946 said: TheBlockernator said: Japan has had a Liberal party in charge since the 1950's except for two elections.Democrats might like Garden of Words, since the teacher gets fired over accusations without substance and they just blindly take the other persons word for it. They'd probably hate yugioh because they'd be too distracted by the fact Kaiba doesn't pay enough taxes and can afford all that expensive equipment he uses, like a plane shaped like Blue Eyes. They'd probably hate a lot of anime because they aren't "Diverse" or "Woke" enough. Republicans would probably enjoy a lot more anime, even ones without any sort of right leaning message because they can enjoy media and not complain about everything with it. It's a Liberal One Party State. It's the conservative party that's been in power almost exclusively since then. Despite the name the LDP is considered center right. |
vault-dwellerAug 14, 2022 9:10 PM
garlicdreab said: Weeaboo_Bomber said: Lol, yes I know that politics exist in every country and I never even implied that japanese people are hive minds or whatever you read into my comment. This is a anime website and the question particularly refered to to politics in anime. I pointed out that japanese people probably just want to chill when watching anime and that they don't even care about politics (in ANIME) which is why most anime are about heros fighting demons or guys wanting to make out with their step sister and NOT politics. Stop misreading comments just to start a conflict. im not doing that, and politics exist in anime as well lmao, even the ones that are just heroes fighting demons. like I said, you cant just generalize that people "probably" do or don't like something. if there were no political undertones to anime this thread wouldn't exist. the issue is taht it doesnt matter what japanese people do or dont like. that has little to no bearing on what anime are produced. the views of thsoe involved in produciton doesnt even matter until its filtered through the mess of workplace social relations. such is the reality of production. vault-dweller said: its all the same. we are all living under the shadow of the french revolution.vasipi4946 said: Japan has had a Liberal party in charge since the 1950's except for two elections. It's a Liberal One Party State. It's the conservative party that's been in power almost exclusively since then. Despite the name the LDP is considered center right. which japan wasnt really until after WW2. at which point they were forced into it and the power base somewhat smoothly turned into the LDP and they are still in power. |
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| I'll try to identify which wing my favorite anime are. (including series that favorite characters are from, too) https://myanimelist.net/anime/19429/Akuma_no_Riddle right wing (don't go against your clan, personal responsibility) https://myanimelist.net/anime/232/Cardcaptor_Sakura idk, only seen 4 episodes so far https://myanimelist.net/anime/18001/Freezing_Vibration center right (mix of sexual liberalism and traditional gender roles) https://myanimelist.net/anime/11617/High_School_DxD center (struggle between tradition and doing what you want) https://myanimelist.net/anime/257/Ikkitousen left wing because Hakufu shits on all that fate / destiny talk https://myanimelist.net/anime/34964/Killing_Bites right-wing "The one with the sharper fangs wins. That's what Killing Bites is!" https://myanimelist.net/anime/9756/Mahou_Shoujo_Madoka%E2%98%85Magica right wing (personal responsibility) https://myanimelist.net/anime/7769/Ookami-san_to_Shichinin_no_Nakama-tachi left wing (pitching in together) https://myanimelist.net/anime/17777/Saikin_Imouto_no_Yousu_ga_Chotto_Okashiinda_ga left wing sexually liberal https://myanimelist.net/anime/6500/Seikon_no_Qwaser right wing (personal responsibility, plus christian shit) https://myanimelist.net/anime/11763/Sekai_de_Ichiban_Tsuyoku_Naritai right wing (don't you dare insult wrestling and veteran wrestlers) https://myanimelist.net/anime/15119/Senran_Kagura right wing (adhering to traditions) https://myanimelist.net/anime/8407/Sora_no_Otoshimono__Forte left wing as fuck (Tomoki's gender bending, Astraea defying her role, etc.) https://myanimelist.net/anime/685/To_Heart__Remember_My_Memories center? mix of left and right https://myanimelist.net/anime/4224/Toradora left wing love-trumps-everything https://myanimelist.net/anime/33589/ViVid_Strike left wing because it's another fight against people who represent the established order anime |
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Jamison2210 said: by the way, the average right winger doesn't support racism, or discrimination, or sexism. It's only extremists who are like that This statement is very dependent on what country you're from and what that unique political landscape looks like. In the US, the average right winger quite literally is supporting racism, discrimination, and sexism by supporting politicians who make that their goal. |
Immahnoob said: They say Jesus walked on water. People are made out of 79% water. I can walk on people. So I am 79% Jesus. Sourire said: I once fucked an apple pie. |
| I love how people think that USA created everything Liberal has different meaning in different countries |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Kafka, Fu Xuan, Jingliu, Topaz and Huohuo. |
| Gate is written by a cultist right wing nut job and it shows. |
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Stacias said: I actually don't really understand these wings lol. Strictly-speaking, the wings come from the French Revolution and which "wing" of the courts certain factions sat on. The Left wing is where the democratic revolutionaries sat, and the Right wing is where the monarch's loyalists sat. Since then, in the realm of political science, they simply became the slider between a more socialist economic system on the left vs. a more capitalist economic system on the right. The wings don't actually have anything to do with social policies, progressive vs. conservative, or anything like that. But that never stopped anyone from trying to shoehorn them together. So now, in the colloquial usage, Left-wing refers to social policies that favor creating a more just and equal society--"lifting the floor," if you will--while Right-wing refers to social policies that favor those who are already well-off by "raising the ceiling," if you will. Left-wing social policies tend to be more about the good of everyone and pushing humanity forward, while Right-wing policies are about increasing the maximum power of select individuals who already have power and pulling humanity back to some mythical "golden age" that never existed. I should make clear that I have zero patience for social conservatism. It is a pestilence that is holding all of humanity back. |
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| I feel like conservatives can enjoy a solid chunk of anime because the female characters of many shows are useless without the male lead, and there are almost never any non pale-skinned characters. In the past few years their favorite shows seem to be Goblin Slayer (because a woman gets raped) and Shield Hero (because a man is getting persecuted by a woman). I feel like lefties can enjoy a fair deal of shows simply because anime occasionally qualifies as art, and some shows have the MCs fighting against fascist boyz. Zombieland Saga is a show that I remember many of them liking, and I can confirm that it's a good one. |
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-Shizuna- said: ehhhhh do you know about the history of japan my dude?Pretty much what @ateks said. This right vs left thing is mostly Western thing anyway. |
vasipi4946 said: probably cause that is extremely anti-semitic. I also recommend Angel Cop for Far-Right audience. It's about how the Jews have controlled Japan and wanna kill all Aryans. Watch only the Sub. Fun Fact: the torrents were literally DDoSed by Israel for 2 weeks Why would Israel wanna keep an anime about Jews controlling Japan and killing all Aryans away from the public? |
| Well, this is another political anime thread. I don't think there's any difference in anime left and right winged people like. I've tried using data to figure that out, but all of the differences I found can be explained with randomness. This could be because of my small sample size (52 left-wingers & 39 right-wingers), but I don't see any promise in doing more calculations. That isn't to say that an anime can't be political. Just that my data doesn't show that left and right wing people like different anime. |
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| I would say Akira is one that appeals to anyone who is a leftist as it showcases a rather bleak portrayal of late-stage capitalism i.e. huge wealth divides, class struggle and antagonisms, mass uprisings, a police state, inept and greedy politicians whose only loyalty is profit. |
JAW7 said: In the US, the average right winger quite literally is supporting racism, discrimination, and sexism by supporting politicians who make that their goal. Are you calling the Democrat party right-wing? Because I regularly see them endorsing discrimination. President Biden openly bases his political appointments on race and sex at the expense of ability. |
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Lucifrost said: Yes, the democratic party and the republican party are both right-wing parties. The U.S. doesn't have a left-wing party.JAW7 said: In the US, the average right winger quite literally is supporting racism, discrimination, and sexism by supporting politicians who make that their goal. Are you calling the Democrat party right-wing? Because I regularly see them endorsing discrimination. President Biden openly bases his political appointments on race and sex at the expense of ability. |
| Left wingers like Girls und Panzer, right wingers like K-On. Not up to discussion. |
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TheMechaManiac said: RobertBobert said: Lol, the main message of the first season is literally that you must not humiliate the losing side and that you must separate the nation and political power. Of course, the "authoritarian" position. From the Western Left, of course. But his works say nothing about politics per se, only idealize and defend LGBTQ people. Naw, Ikuhara just likes reverse traps dating girls confused by their looks. (Utena movie) Lesbians hot =/= pro LGBT You just described the entire ikemen onna manga market in one sentence. |
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| I have no recommendations for either side. Anyone who only watches things that fit with their own ideology should get over themselves. It's entertainment for fucks sake. You don't have to agree with it to enjoy it. |
FanofActionAug 15, 2022 3:57 PM
Weeaboo_Bomber said: hate to tell you dude but everything and I mean everything is political.garlicdreab said: im not doing that, and politics exist in anime as well lmao, even the ones that are just heroes fighting demons. like I said, you cant just generalize that people "probably" do or don't like something. if there were no political undertones to anime this thread wouldn't exist. You're desperately searching for anything in my comment(s) that I either didn't say or that you can misread. I don't really get what you want, honestly. Politics barely exist in anime, that's literally what I mean with projection. I've seen people who make 5 hour yt-videos on pokemon in which they argue that pokemon is AcTUALLy a metaphorical depiction on the proletarian revolution in 1930's russia or something. That sounds like you. Tell me one japanese person who watches anime for the "politics" or thinks anime is "political". Of course you can't. Who watches Gintama, Dragon Ball, some isekai or anything for the politics? You as a westerner don't understand japanese people and think they thankfully obey your standard (particularly americans seem to think that their lawws and their way of life are natural all around the world). Unlike westerners who love generalizing people politically, japanese people usually just want to chill when watching anime. Sooooo, what seems to be the problem? |
7eeks said: I don’t get why 90% of these comments are acting like Japanese people are above critiquing political systems and their society through their art. Or that it’s somehow wrong for non-japanese viewers to find parallels between an animes politics and their own country. A lot of anime is political, many of you just want to turn your brains off when watching and don’t pay attention to it. lol for sure and art like anime is political too anyway do notice most that are against politics in anime are right wingers |
| if you believe in muh free market or capitalism then let demand create the supply of future anime so if more buyers are leftist then you lose, no need to gatekeep this way that art like anime is not political |
7eeks said: deg said: lol for sure and art like anime is political too anyway do notice most that are against politics in anime are right wingers I think it’s because political anime tend to critique their personal beliefs. nah they fear the SJWs having the superior purchasing power since the Anime Industry being a business only cares about which consumers will give them more profit they hate woke stuff |
Weeaboo_Bomber said: What you eat or drink, where and how you get your food and drinks, what school you go to, and yes even how you shit are all political actions regardless of whether those are conscious or subconscious actions they are still influenced by ideology and are therefore political. Furthermore, no media is free from ideology. it doesn't matter if you watch something for politics or not, everything you watch is saturated with ideology and therefore it is political.struggler_sensei said: hate to tell you dude but everything and I mean everything is political. Looook, okay, Lenin, tell me how eating, drinking, shitting, going to school or anything you do in your daily life is political? Of course you can't. Can you show me a japanese person who watches anime for politics? nope. Can you tell me more than 5 anime directors who explicitly make political stuff? big NOPE. But for edgy western wannabe-activists everything just has to be political. Bro, this is about anime and anime is still not political and your argument doesn't even scratch my point. as the racoon man says and I'm not some edgy western wannabe-activist, I'm a postgrad social sciences major doing a master's in cultural studies. |
egirlhooters said: to be fair a lot of the people on this site are teenagers with at best a high school-level understanding of politics, it ain't all their fault. However, the adults have no excuse.The political illiteracy of this site is going to give me a fucking aneurysm |
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