| Villains. Good villains are so entertaining <3 |
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| I wouldn't bother watching fate if it wasn't for Gilgamesh. So the villain I guess. And loli saves anime all the time |
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| Loli are the best part. Better yet, make the hero and the villain lolis,like in Nanoha, and the show will automatically become a masterpiece. |
| I voted lolis. Because lolis are justice xD Erm, I mean, I don't like super-hero battle shows. But to be on-topic, I think a villain is more important. A cool villain can make the story much more interesting. |
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| The villain drives the story. The hero just needs to beat the villain at his games while the villain is the one that needs to set up the games. |
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Gluzin said: The villain drives the story. The hero just needs to beat the villain at his games while the villain is the one that needs to set up the games. A good villain would only be wasted and look pathetic if he got beaten by a bad protagonist. Both the hero and villain should be equally important. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: That's why Fate/stay night is bad, because the pathetic Shirou defeated the glorious Archer and uber glorious Gilgamesh xDGluzin said: The villain drives the story. The hero just needs to beat the villain at his games while the villain is the one that needs to set up the games. A good villain would only be wasted and look pathetic if he got beaten by a bad protagonist. Both the hero and villain should be equally important. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: I'm messing with you, I understand that both are important, obviously, but I think that the villain is a bit more important.Gluzin said: The villain drives the story. The hero just needs to beat the villain at his games while the villain is the one that needs to set up the games. A good villain would only be wasted and look pathetic if he got beaten by a bad protagonist. Both the hero and villain should be equally important. |
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| The hero. In order to like the show I have to be able to care about them and what's happening to them, so they should likeable or least interesting or entertaining. The villain is disposable, and doesn't need to be likable, in fact it should be the opposite. |
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Gluzin said: Tenshi_Shura said: That's why Fate/stay night is bad, because the pathetic Shirou defeated the glorious Archer and uber glorious Gilgamesh xDA good villain would only be wasted and look pathetic if he got beaten by a bad protagonist. Both the hero and villain should be equally important. So you're saying Gilgamesh is a good villain for being nothing but a complete asshole to every person he sees? Kay... |
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Tenshi_Shura said: He's an excellent villain in Fate/Zero, but Fate/stay night has bad writing so of course he's not a good character there.Gluzin said: That's why Fate/stay night is bad, because the pathetic Shirou defeated the glorious Archer and uber glorious Gilgamesh xD So you're saying Gilgamesh is a good villain for being nothing but a complete asshole to every person he sees? Kay... |
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Gluzin said: Tenshi_Shura said: He's an excellent villain in Fate/Zero, but Fate/stay night has bad writing so of course he's not a good character there.So you're saying Gilgamesh is a good villain for being nothing but a complete asshole to every person he sees? Kay... He's the same asshole in Zero so I fail to see your point. Gluzin said: but Fate/stay night has bad writing so of course he's not a good character there. I laughed more than I should. |
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Gluzin said: Tenshi_Shura said: I'm messing with you, I understand that both are important, obviously, but I think that the villain is a bit more important.A good villain would only be wasted and look pathetic if he got beaten by a bad protagonist. Both the hero and villain should be equally important. You have a point. The villain creates the conflict in most stories. They cannot exist without them. A lot of heroes may have a personality, but it's not one that creates a story. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Gluzin said: I'm messing with you, I understand that both are important, obviously, but I think that the villain is a bit more important. You have a point. The villain creates the conflict in most stories. They cannot exist without them. A lot of heroes may have a personality, but it's not one that creates a story. Still waiting for you to explain how you define "personality." Does the quality of a character's personality run parallel with how much conflict they create? |
aikaflip said: TheBrainintheJar said: You have a point. The villain creates the conflict in most stories. They cannot exist without them. A lot of heroes may have a personality, but it's not one that creates a story. Still waiting for you to explain how you define "personality." Does the quality of a character's personality run parallel with how much conflict they create? You're just going to run around in circles. |
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aikaflip said: TheBrainintheJar said: You have a point. The villain creates the conflict in most stories. They cannot exist without them. A lot of heroes may have a personality, but it's not one that creates a story. Still waiting for you to explain how you define "personality." Does the quality of a character's personality run parallel with how much conflict they create? 'Personality' is the collection of the characters' attributes - their preferences, biases, worldview, how they react to certain situations, wants and needs. I also found this definition: Personality refers to individual differences in characteristic patterns of thinking, feeling and behaving. Personalities create conflict and connection. It's our differences and similarities that make us dislike or like another. We like someone for having a quality we wish we had, or dislike them for something we hate in ourselves. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: aikaflip said: Still waiting for you to explain how you define "personality." Does the quality of a character's personality run parallel with how much conflict they create? You're just going to run around in circles. I'm just seeking clarification. TheBrainintheJar said: aikaflip said: Still waiting for you to explain how you define "personality." Does the quality of a character's personality run parallel with how much conflict they create? 'Personality' is the collection of the characters' attributes - their preferences, biases, worldview, how they react to certain situations, wants and needs. I also found this definition: Personality refers to individual differences in characteristic patterns of thinking, feeling and behaving. Personalities create conflict and connection. It's our differences and similarities that make us dislike or like another. We like someone for having a quality we wish we had, or dislike them for something we hate in ourselves. Thanks. I agree with the first definition, but I don't agree with the implication that only characters who create conflict have a personality. A personality is simply a composite of characteristics. Characters who create conflict have just one of many personality types. |
| i can imagine a hero without villan story works. but i can't imagine villian without hero story works. anyone? can give me example? |
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| I would say both but the Hero needs to exist BECAUSE of villains. Villains can exist whenever, wherever and can just wreak havoc! The hero is the counter measure, the defence, the one who brings order and balance when the villain tries to upset it. Villain goes and so does the Hero but if the Hero goes then the villain stays and becomes stronger and much more evil with nothing to stop em 3except themselves |
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| Neither. The two counterbalance each other.... Though I prefer villains. While the villains are more active, they do need a force to stop them and move the plot or they become boring, also why the heroes need a villain. Actually now that I think about, I don't think I believe in the concept of heroes and villains. What makes the hero different from the villain and vice versa? They're just people after their own goals, no matter what they may be. |
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| You can have a hero without villian, so... Hero. |
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| The best is when the MC is the villain/anti-hero. Everything else sux. |
| The antagonist. You can replace the protagonist and let the story move forward, because the villain is the one that drives it. You CAN replace a villain, but that can pad out the story more than necessary if it's a villain that comes out of nowhere. |
| From storytelling perspective, villain is important though as it is a villain who actually have to provide the challenge for the hero and with it, an conflict that drives the story. You certainly can't do wrong if you give both villain and hero a token loli because every badass needs a loli. So I vote for a loli because you gave me the option to do so. |
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| All them lolis need love too, anyone who didn't vote for that is a heartless bastard that wants to rape brick walls. |
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| I find both of them to be equally important. A good villain is a lot more fun to watch though. |
frosthazelMar 18, 2016 2:06 PM
| Both. One cannot exist without the other |
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| It is hard to find a good villain today. |
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| Both are equally important. Complete each other. Now kiss. (~ ^ 3 ^)~ <3 |
aikaflip said: I'm just seeking clarification. TheBrainintheJar said: 'Personality' is the collection of the characters' attributes - their preferences, biases, worldview, how they react to certain situations, wants and needs. I also found this definition: Personality refers to individual differences in characteristic patterns of thinking, feeling and behaving. Personalities create conflict and connection. It's our differences and similarities that make us dislike or like another. We like someone for having a quality we wish we had, or dislike them for something we hate in ourselves. Thanks. I agree with the first definition, but I don't agree with the implication that only characters who create conflict have a personality. A personality is simply a composite of characteristics. Characters who create conflict have just one of many personality types. I should elaborate more. Personalities by their nature create conflict. Even two people who are exactly the same can be in conflict. Ants don't have personalities. So they don't quarrel. They work for the Collective and don't argue. When people have wants and needs, they often come in conflict regardless of what their personality is. Villains just lean more towards creating conflict, and stories are about conflict (inner or exterior). |
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| The loli is usually the most interesting one so... |
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| I have the philosophy that the hero makes the story but the villain breaks it. The bad guy has to be the most interesting person in the show because he's the driving force behind the conflict. Why is he or she doing immoral things? What motive do they have to cause conflict? A good villain lets you find out these things as the story goes along, and often I tend to root for them. Meanwhile, the hero gets by due to the fact that the villain's actions motivate him or her. If the villain of a story is unbelievable or uncomfortably written, I'm definitely not going to like the story. |
Yuugen_ said: villians who end up being on the same side as the heroes.A smart villain saves any plot. |
| I would say villains but heroes are equally important. |
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| without darkness there cannot be light. Very philosophical |
| This depends if the villian/hero is the main protagonist then it matters which depends on their back story. |
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| One can't exist without the other, I prefer heroes but when a villain is as well-written and well-developed like Meruem, I just can't but love him more than the MC. It all depends on how good of a character it is, because before villain and hero. It's a character, it's a human. Wait, on another thought. I prefer anti-villains and anti-heroes more than both these. I think, You see I'm confused as hell lol but in the end. Hero it is :D |
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| Well, If i heard from hero "I do those things because i feel it's right" than it wouldn't be that much annoying. There are plenty of stories with such ideology so I am bit used to it. But, if i heard from villan "I kill people, because evil" this would be definetly disappointing. So I guess Villan is more important, but also i can't deny what Joker said: so they both are needed, but with villan on the top :) |
KaoruMatsuoka said: I have the philosophy that the hero makes the story but the villain breaks it. The bad guy has to be the most interesting person in the show because he's the driving force behind the conflict. Why is he or she doing immoral things? What motive do they have to cause conflict? A good villain lets you find out these things as the story goes along, and often I tend to root for them. Meanwhile, the hero gets by due to the fact that the villain's actions motivate him or her. If the villain of a story is unbelievable or uncomfortably written, I'm definitely not going to like the story. I think it's a little sad that in many places, the villain creates the story. It speaks volume about the protagonist, how they're end up being fairly uninteresting. |
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| Obviously the hero since we'll be spending a lot more time with him/her than with the villain. |
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