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Jun 20, 2015 3:50 PM

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Z4k said:

What does that even have to do with my complaints? Don't bother replying if you can't even explain.

I'm not a VN reader so I could be misunderstanding this but the way I saw it is that there are two Emiya's (not to confuse two Archers and two Shirous). Emiya the servant and Emiya the guardian. However, they're also the same person so Emiya the servant also works as Emiya the guardian and vice versa. You could say that this one guy has two roles in the universe. I assume that the World (that he made the pact with) kept him there/brought him back to "solve" the conflict (what was his job as the guardian) which is why he was also unable to make a pact with Rin since he was there as a guardian not as a servant.

In short, Emiya the servant, died after the stabbing and other stuff, while Emiya the guardian was there to do dirty work for the World.

Also, this could be completely off the mark but the reason why his mana seems to me so huge might be the connection to the World and he might not even be using his own mana (which is why the mana was leaking from him before because it was like feeding a baby, it can drink only so much and something will always fall out of its mouth because it can't process the food at one time). But I don't know this for sure, this is just how I understood it from the anime.



Regarding the episode, it was truly amazing. The best episode for sure. I loved the battle sequence, Rinand Saber interactions and the "switch" of the Emiya's (when Archer disappeared and Shirou appeared on screen), imo it was kinda metaphoric to show that Shiro finally got to his Emiya persona but in a much healthier way and that Rin will be a central figure in his life just like for Archer. Whether it's true or not, I choose to see it this way because I love it. XD I just don't understand why they would need a whole episode for epilogue? It seems really silly and strange and I kinda worry about its plot quality. :/ I just can't imagine why they would need a whole episode for that. The plot is done and all so why?
Jun 20, 2015 3:54 PM

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THEY THREW AT LEAST LIKE 5 DIFFERENT REMIXES AT US ALL IN A ROW. THIS WAS ALL THAT WAS NEEDED OH MY GOD.

I can admit, Some of those fight scenes with gil seemed a bit out of place for shirou but dear god were they beautiful. I can forgive it.
I fucking loved the ending slash.

AND THE QUOTES FROM THE VN. THE QUUUOTES.

Ahhhh...

...on a serious note, this episode still brings some controversy over how archer stayed alive, but since I know the VN I honestly expected that, so no big. Even with that, it was still nice. asjfks
Jun 20, 2015 3:54 PM
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You know what would be awkward as fuck? If they pull -the last episode- out of nowhere in the epilouge episode. Would make 0 sense to do so in the UBW route but hey, what ever.
Jun 20, 2015 3:55 PM

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How come Archer is fucking alive?

Fz is better. 3.5/5
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OP 4 most butthurt bitch on MAL.

Jun 20, 2015 3:57 PM

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if u need to read a 50 hour VN to enjoy an anime series than ur series wasnt good to begin with
Jun 20, 2015 3:57 PM

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HikaruIzumi said:

In short, Emiya the servant, died after the stabbing and other stuff, while Emiya the guardian was there to do dirty work for the World.

Ah, well....
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Lacertoss said:

1- Archer never died, just went into spirit form and faked his death, conserving mana while doing so.
2- He was brought back to the present time not as a servant, but as a guardian with the mission to end Gilgamesh.

It's number 1.
Jun 20, 2015 3:58 PM

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Insertanamehere said:
HikaruIzumi said:

In short, Emiya the servant, died after the stabbing and other stuff, while Emiya the guardian was there to do dirty work for the World.

Ah, well....
Insertanamehere said:

It's number 1.

That is literally what I wrote. >_>
Jun 20, 2015 3:59 PM

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HikaruIzumi said:
Insertanamehere said:

It's number 1.

That is literally what I wrote. >_>

You said 2 actually, when the case is 1.
Jun 20, 2015 3:59 PM

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k that was better than expected.

Bit of a shame that whoever animated Shirou inside UBW can't be bothered to put some fucking detail in his drawings, but F/Z had the same problem in it's climactic battle and I still gave that a 10/10, so....
Jun 20, 2015 4:01 PM

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LOL, did anyone else notice that Gate of Babylon sounded like an uzi/machine gun in this episode?
Jun 20, 2015 4:03 PM

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Moodie said:
if u need to read a 50 hour VN to enjoy an anime series than ur series wasnt good to begin with
Lol lame excuse,
Yea completely ignore that the 50 hour VN is a 3 part VN, and this series is an adaptation of part 2 of 3.
That's like saying Harry potter movie 3 fails because it doesn't tell you why harry potter is a wizard.

Hey but let's ignore all that to try to make a point.
Jun 20, 2015 4:04 PM

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Darthdevil said:
You know what would be awkward as fuck? If they pull -the last episode- out of nowhere in the epilouge episode. Would make 0 sense to do so in the UBW route but hey, what ever.
They should just show arcuied and ciel or aoko and alice just chillin in fuyuki city for no reason whatsoever. Why not right.
Jun 20, 2015 4:05 PM

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LOL @ Gil's fans... hey can't blame them, tho..
i understand why he didn't use Ea & hesitated when he grabbed it.. but why didn't he use his chains?
& Shirou pulled these ridiculous jumps, evades mid-air & armors out of his ass.. i was like wth!?
does he has Berserker's (F/Z) speed & reflexes..!?

but it was cool action scene. i really liked the ost.
edit: almost forgot.. Rin, why did she save shinji? & how did Archer survive!? ..oh *shutdown_your_brain* {-,-}''
Jun 20, 2015 4:05 PM

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LOL.

Kudos to ufo, they actually managed to make me find Shirou a little badass. Fight was okay, Gil losing is always good, but Enkidu did it better.

'Nways, Archer smile <3 And that EMIYA remix was godly, but Crow's Claw is still the best.

5/5.
Jun 20, 2015 4:06 PM

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OnePieceQ8 said:
LOL @ Gil's fans... hey can't blame them, tho..
i understand why he didn't use Ea & hesitated when he grabbed it.. but why didn't he use his chains?
& Shirou pulled these ridiculous jumps, evades mid-air & armors out of his ass.. i was like wth!?
does he has Berserker's (F/Z) speed & reflexes..!?

but it was cool action scene. i really liked the ost.
edit: almost forgot.. Rin, why did she save shinji? & how did Archer survive!? ..oh *shutdown_your_brain* {-,-}''


He did -_-
Jun 20, 2015 4:07 PM

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OnePieceQ8 said:
Shirou pulled these ridiculous jumps, evades mid-air & armors out of his ass.. i was like wth!?
does he has Berserker's (F/Z) speed & reflexes..!?

With the right weapon, he does. His ability lets him copy technique and stats. Also, the chains are just normal ones against humans. With what Shirou just did, he could easily slip free or just swordspam it out of the way.
Jun 20, 2015 4:09 PM

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peeyaj said:
How come Archer is fucking alive?

Fz is better. 3.5/5


by the power of Nasu
Jun 20, 2015 4:10 PM

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KamiCity said:
Moodie said:
if u need to read a 50 hour VN to enjoy an anime series than ur series wasnt good to begin with
Lol lame excuse,
Yea completely ignore that the 50 hour VN is a 3 part VN, and this series is an adaptation of part 2 of 3.
That's like saying Harry potter movie 3 fails because it doesn't tell you why harry potter is a wizard.

Hey but let's ignore all that to try to make a point.
anime isnt a carbon copy of the source material. learn what an adaption is. if an adaption cant highlight the source material than it failed. there is no excuses here its stupid to think that someone has to read 50 hours of material to enjoy an anime. many anime can do this without using excuses. plz dont comment cuz apparently ur a sourcematerialfag who cant comprehend that this is an anime adaption not a animated visual novel.
Jun 20, 2015 4:11 PM

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Insertanamehere said:
Lacertoss said:


Thanks a bunch! By any chance, does avalon also works on Archer, since he is Shirou as well? That would also explain how his wounds got healed without having to use mana.

Archer doesn't have Avalon.


Then it's a bit bs, is it not? Shouldn't he need to spend mana in order to heal his wounds? Or he hasn't healed at all?
Jun 20, 2015 4:13 PM

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Moodie said:
KamiCity said:
Lol lame excuse,
Yea completely ignore that the 50 hour VN is a 3 part VN, and this series is an adaptation of part 2 of 3.
That's like saying Harry potter movie 3 fails because it doesn't tell you why harry potter is a wizard.

Hey but let's ignore all that to try to make a point.
anime isnt a carbon copy of the source material. learn what an adaption is. if an adaption cant highlight the source material than it failed. there is no excuses here its stupid to think that someone has to read 50 hours of material to enjoy an anime. many anime can do this without using excuses. plz dont comment cuz apparently ur a sourcematerialfag who cant comprehend that this is an anime adaption not a animated visual novel.


*adaptation
All credit goes to Sacred.
Jun 20, 2015 4:13 PM

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Lacertoss said:
Insertanamehere said:

Archer doesn't have Avalon.


Then it's a bit bs, is it not? Shouldn't he need to spend mana in order to heal his wounds? Or he hasn't healed at all?


He comes from a scrapped route where he returned Avalon to Saber maybe during his HGW.He hasn't healed ,he was fading away.Going in spiritual form only reduces the rate of vanishing comparatively.
Jun 20, 2015 4:14 PM

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Lacertoss said:
Then it's a bit bs, is it not? Shouldn't he need to spend mana in order to heal his wounds? Or he hasn't healed at all?

Well i'm not going to lie and say the scene wasn't a stretch in the VN either, since it was, but it didn't have him using UBW a second time and for so long so there's that. He does have a bit of mana left over though, mostly from the time Caster was his master (since she had massive amounts) and used that to sustain himself, if not necessarily heal---and importantly, a servant does not immediately or even after a long time die from serious wounds if you don't destroy their "spiritual core", and Gil apparently missed Archers, so he mostly disappeared at the end due to lack of mana, not his wounds, in any case.
laidellent said:
He comes from a scrapped route where he returned Avalon to Saber maybe during his HGW.

It has nothing to do with that, even if he had Avalon he wouldn't be summoned with it.
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HikaruIzumi said:
In short, Emiya the servant, died after the stabbing and other stuff, while Emiya the guardian was there to do dirty work for the World.

But according to the VN readers
CookingPriest said:
His core was not destroyed.
Servants are inhuman. They are Spirits embodied via mana vessels. As long as their core is not destroyed they can continue existing as long as they have enough mana.

Now the issue here is when he uses UBW twice which creates a lot of inconsistencies.
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Insertanamehere said:

laidellent said:
He comes from a scrapped route where he returned Avalon to Saber maybe during his HGW.

It has nothing to do with that, even if he had Avalon he wouldn't be summoned with it.
I assumed he was talking about the healing part
Jun 20, 2015 4:21 PM

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Z4k said:
Now my issue is when he used his UBW twice which creates a lot of inconsistencies.

It does indeed. The 2nd cast wasn't in the VN, too. Don't worry, Nasu will retcon it. Maybe make UBW cost a lot less mana.
Jun 20, 2015 4:23 PM

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Well, what can I say.

Perfect episode 10/10 though. Way better than last two episodes of F/z anime, finally the budget delivers..
Jun 20, 2015 4:23 PM

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Z4k said:
Now my issue is when he used his UBW twice which creates a lot of inconsistencies.

It does indeed. The 2nd cast wasn't in the VN, too. Don't worry, Nasu will retcon it. Maybe make UBW cost a lot less mana.


i dont why you guys still talk about this when the anime is anyways AU
Jun 20, 2015 4:24 PM

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HikaruIzumi said:
Z4k said:

What does that even have to do with my complaints? Don't bother replying if you can't even explain.

I'm not a VN reader so I could be misunderstanding this but the way I saw it is that there are two Emiya's (not to confuse two Archers and two Shirous). Emiya the servant and Emiya the guardian. However, they're also the same person so Emiya the servant also works as Emiya the guardian and vice versa. You could say that this one guy has two roles in the universe. I assume that the World (that he made the pact with) kept him there/brought him back to "solve" the conflict (what was his job as the guardian) which is why he was also unable to make a pact with Rin since he was there as a guardian not as a servant.

In short, Emiya the servant, died after the stabbing and other stuff, while Emiya the guardian was there to do dirty work for the World.

Also, this could be completely off the mark but the reason why his mana seems to me so huge might be the connection to the World and he might not even be using his own mana (which is why the mana was leaking from him before because it was like feeding a baby, it can drink only so much and something will always fall out of its mouth because it can't process the food at one time). But I don't know this for sure, this is just how I understood it from the anime.


Very interesting theory. Makes me sad that I have to shoot it down.

Archer being Counter Guardian has nothing to do with anything. Archer has been summoned as Servant, and once Servant dies, he's gone. Completely. Besides, Alaya doesn't deploy Counter Guardians for nothing.

Answer lies in the Archer class skill, Independent Action. (Which Gil also has, btw.) Its rank is B, which allows Archer to stay alive for 2 days even without his Master, as long as his core isn't destroyed. When Gil's swords pierced him, they missed the core, so Archer went into hiding both to play dead and to conserve remaining mana for the next day (Answer happened the day after Medea, Archer's last Master, was killed).
In case you want to ask "what about his sword spam", due to Archer's (and Shirou's) Origin being Sword, his sword projections outside UBW are dirt cheap.

Z4k said:
But according to the VN readers
CookingPriest said:
His core was not destroyed.
Servants are inhuman. They are Spirits embodied via mana vessels. As long as their core is not destroyed they can continue existing as long as they have enough mana.

Now the issue here is when he uses UBW twice which creates a lot of inconsistencies.


You're not the only one, Z4k... you're not the only one...
astroprogs said:
If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you?

Not air.
Jun 20, 2015 4:24 PM

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xShigarakix said:
VarunaBles said:

It does indeed. The 2nd cast wasn't in the VN, too. Don't worry, Nasu will retcon it. Maybe make UBW cost a lot less mana.


i dont why you guys still talk about this when the anime is anyways AU

I guess so. My bad.
Jun 20, 2015 4:29 PM

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this is definitely better than the movie, in this one Gilgamesh almost use Ea on Shirou

awesomely animated fight scenes on this one its movie like quality
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VarunaBles said:
xShigarakix said:


i dont why you guys still talk about this when the anime is anyways AU

I guess so. My bad.
being AU doesnt mean do some bullshit. archer casting UBW twice could have been handwaved away since they never gave us a % of his mana like they did in the VN. all they said was that "he's low". but the anime fucked that up by showing him starting to dissapear.
Jun 20, 2015 4:38 PM

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Well, as they said, having great flashy stuffs overshadows the innate structure of the settings itself. Michael Bay's number one rule with adding explosions, you know.

But unlike you all that criticized episodes after episodes for nothing, at least I learned to have fun and enjoy my entertainment when it lasts. Thank God for that.

Also, the stuffs Shirou did in this episode would make Kirito blush. True story. Finally Fate has overwank SAO.
Jun 20, 2015 4:40 PM

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I hope Lord El-Melloi II makes his appearance next episode.

Everything about this episode was amazing, I loved it all. Archer's parting with Rin was done right, not to mention New Dawn being played in the background. And that smile Archer put on was simply dazzling. Can't wait for the finale.
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ProphecyPriest said:
Finally Fate has overwank SAO.


Until Alicization gets adapted :P

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astroprogs said:
If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you?

Not air.
Jun 20, 2015 4:49 PM

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Yet again i'm left confused and in the dust as an anime only watcher.

Shirou is made of infinite swords?
Archer for some reason isn't dead?
Grail titan?

Whatever...
Jun 20, 2015 4:53 PM

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RIP Saber sad last week is the last episode.
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This episode was just simply incredible. Easily the best episode so far. Poor Gilgamesh for wrecked!
Jun 20, 2015 4:55 PM

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this episode well.

-my thing about the archer survivng. it's a tad bit rediculous but it was only really about as rediculous as a Kara no Kyoukai character randomly popping up and giving a happy ending. i still preferred it over the anime's. yes it's a little silly and cliche for archer to "dissapear into the rubble" but i prefer it over watching him puff into magic dust THEN come back. I preferred the bit with Rho Aias being cast the first time because not only does it put RA in shirou LOS for him to use it later but it also foreshadows Archer's return. Servant core still being in tact, independant action it's a stretch but the anime could have very well worked these instead of doing next to nothing about it. it's an anime, it's not in a first person POV like the VN. the unclear things can be made clear as day as oppose to the characters word of mouth.

-Shirou doing shounin parkour......sigh there is beauty in simplicity. shirou may gain a combat boost from projection and his RM but doing all the jumps and shit is rediculous i think they conveyed UBW cancelling out GoB but it could have used more melee. since they were trying for rule of cool i think it would have been cooler to take this chance for shirou to bust out other weapons. the way the anime makes it looks shirou may have well just screamed BANKAI.

-grail monstrocity...lel really? pretty sure i can safely say that this isnt a plot hole? but this has got to be at least a plot inconsistency. It shouldnt be able to do something like that without illiya as it's core. it's the point of killing her in the first place. this also really does not line up with other instances. The grail should not be able to just up and begin embodying like that if this is the case then why not in other cases

think i'll consider the episode a 4/5 it certainly exceeded my expections in some areas. if this anime distributed their priorities better this could have been a very good adaptation. but as it is this episode is just an exceptional one of of plenty of mediocre ones...
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I'm all for having a kind, loving, forgiving heart and all but seriously the whole time i just kept thinking, Rin drop that fucker. Like SCREW SHINJI!

*sigh* i dunno if its from reading this forum so much that i've become a critic but seriously...Shiro took on Gilgamesh all on his own despite his supposed ultimate weapon or whatever it was (Ea?) and Gil was really that pathetic? This just spat on him, chewed him up and barfed him out. The ultimate servant loses to shitty Shiro. HE'S NOT EVEN HIGHLY TRAINED LIKE HIS FUTURE SELF. How is this not an asspull? Really Gil can't even sword fight properly? Did all he really ever do is sit on a damn throne proclaiming he's the best with no backup? Isn't he like half or full god or something? Disgrace.

and as much as I adore the fact Archer came back in the end--because let's face it, he's da best--was that not an asspull? HE DISAPPEARED WHEN HE WAS "KILLED" ...if there is some good reason from the LN that's all fine and dandy, but the fact the anime doesnt explain anything makes it an asspull.

P.S it was way too easy getting rid of that monster/grail thing. Way too easy.
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lol never thought this anime would turn out to be this bad.. omg
shirou killing gil
archer showing up
no awesome battles
no exicting finale
LULZ..

5/10 and thats still high because iam a fate franchise fan..
Jun 20, 2015 5:00 PM

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Maloghurst said:
this episode well.

-my thing about the archer survivng. it's a tad bit rediculous but it was only really about as rediculous as a Kara no Kyoukai character randomly popping up and giving a happy ending. i still preferred it over the anime's. yes it's a little silly and cliche for archer to "dissapear into the rubble" but i prefer it over watching him puff into magic dust THEN come back. I preferred the bit with Rho Aias being cast the first time because not only does it put RA in shirou LOS for him to use it later but it also foreshadows Archer's return. Servant core still being in tact, independant action it's a stretch but the anime could have very well worked these instead of doing next to nothing about it. it's an anime, it's not in a first person POV like the VN. the unclear things can be made clear as day as oppose to the characters word of mouth.

-Shirou doing shounin parkour......sigh there is beauty in simplicity. shirou may gain a combat boost from projection and his RM but doing all the jumps and shit is rediculous i think they conveyed UBW cancelling out GoB but it could have used more melee. since they were trying for rule of cool i think it would have been cooler to take this chance for shirou to bust out other weapons. the way the anime makes it looks shirou may have well just screamed BANKAI.

-grail monstrocity...lel really? pretty sure i can safely say that this isnt a plot hole? but this has got to be at least a plot inconsistency. It shouldnt be able to do something like that without illiya as it's core. it's the point of killing her in the first place. this also really does not line up with other instances. The grail should not be able to just up and begin embodying like that if this is the case then why not in other cases

think i'll consider the episode a 4/5 it certainly exceeded my expections in some areas. if this anime distributed their priorities better this could have been a very good adaptation. but as it is this episode is just an exceptional one of of plenty of mediocre ones...


Archer surviving was always in the VN, I dunno what you're talking about.

Gotta wank Shirou to the fullest, because Fate/ will be mainstream. At least here ufotable delivers and the ridiculousness is on par with JoJo and Shounen Trinity.

Two words: Carnival Phantasm. Remember the episode of Phantasmoon joining with Kaleido Ruby to defeat Grail Monster Illya?
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i just remember surely Shirou underestimated himself when he said he cannot defeat other servants (that mastered their noble phantasm) besides Gilgamesh

i mean Archer Emiya can defeat Lancer on previous episodes
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j0x said:
i just remember surely Shirou underestimated himself when he said he cannot defeat other servants (that mastered their noble phantasm) besides Gilgamesh


Shirou's assessment is right. No matter what anime shows, Shirou actually absorbed Archer's skills only to the point to be able to fight decently (both projection and technique). Shirou would heavily lose to any other Servant, even with projected weapons borrowing him skills of the original wielder. The reason he can defeat Gilgamesh is because their abilities are similar, and UBW's speed is far greater than GoB's (shown by UBW swords crashing into GoB swords before they could leave GoB). And that's only if Gil doesn't use Ea.

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i mean Archer Emiya can defeat Lancer on previous episodes


Nope. Archer lost on both occassions. First time, it was Shirou's interruption that saved him, and 2nd time he survived because he taunted Lancer into throwing Gae Bolg. Otherwise Archer would've been killed both times.
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If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you?

Not air.
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Excellent episode, even me wanting to see a fight between Archer and Gilgamesh, the fight with Shirou was also very good, but Gilgamesh struck me as very weak in this fight, I wanted to see an even grander battle

Rin also showed all his strength and nearly sacrificed himself to destroy the Grail, even Saber showed his great power, and in the end was Archer who saved Rin and Shirou, how good was the final scene between Archer and Rin, Archer with sure is the best male character in this series

Still missing an episode, I am very anxious to watch the last episode, I Hope a great epilogue for this anime that in addition to being among the best of the season, will surely be among the best of the year ..
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ProphecyPriest said:
Maloghurst said:
this episode well.

-my thing about the archer survivng. it's a tad bit rediculous but it was only really about as rediculous as a Kara no Kyoukai character randomly popping up and giving a happy ending. i still preferred it over the anime's. yes it's a little silly and cliche for archer to "dissapear into the rubble" but i prefer it over watching him puff into magic dust THEN come back. I preferred the bit with Rho Aias being cast the first time because not only does it put RA in shirou LOS for him to use it later but it also foreshadows Archer's return. Servant core still being in tact, independant action it's a stretch but the anime could have very well worked these instead of doing next to nothing about it. it's an anime, it's not in a first person POV like the VN. the unclear things can be made clear as day as oppose to the characters word of mouth.

-Shirou doing shounin parkour......sigh there is beauty in simplicity. shirou may gain a combat boost from projection and his RM but doing all the jumps and shit is rediculous i think they conveyed UBW cancelling out GoB but it could have used more melee. since they were trying for rule of cool i think it would have been cooler to take this chance for shirou to bust out other weapons. the way the anime makes it looks shirou may have well just screamed BANKAI.

-grail monstrocity...lel really? pretty sure i can safely say that this isnt a plot hole? but this has got to be at least a plot inconsistency. It shouldnt be able to do something like that without illiya as it's core. it's the point of killing her in the first place. this also really does not line up with other instances. The grail should not be able to just up and begin embodying like that if this is the case then why not in other cases

think i'll consider the episode a 4/5 it certainly exceeded my expections in some areas. if this anime distributed their priorities better this could have been a very good adaptation. but as it is this episode is just an exceptional one of of plenty of mediocre ones...


Archer surviving was always in the VN, I dunno what you're talking about.

Gotta wank Shirou to the fullest, because Fate/ will be mainstream. At least here ufotable delivers and the ridiculousness is on par with JoJo and Shounen Trinity.

Two words: Carnival Phantasm. Remember the episode of Phantasmoon joining with Kaleido Ruby to defeat Grail Monster Illya?

-what are YOU talking about? i'm talking about the diffrence in how they excecuted archer's survival here maybe you should read more than 2 lines?

-i get wanking shirou a bit but i think there are better ways to handle it...they made him way too gary stu ish and they never really highlighted that he figured out how to unlock all his magic circuits here were before he was only fighting with 2. with him only using 2 magic circuits to counter sowrd rain Gil he was fucking himself up more than gil was. here he looks unfazed by his own drawback.

...illiya was the grail monster though......there is nothing here.......nothing for this thing to have substance what would be stopping it from doing the same thing in the previous war...or better yet in another case were the damn thing was about to pop
Jun 20, 2015 5:08 PM
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well that ended like expected, pretty boring. fight had it's good moments though i guess. didn't even care that much that gilgamesh died, he's such a onedimensional character here compared to f/z.
kinda disappointed with these last episodes, first half of the second season was somewhat promising for the first time in ubw's run.
Jun 20, 2015 5:10 PM

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Aurioch said:
j0x said:
i just remember surely Shirou underestimated himself when he said he cannot defeat other servants (that mastered their noble phantasm) besides Gilgamesh


Shirou's assessment is right. No matter what anime shows, Shirou actually absorbed Archer's skills only to the point to be able to fight decently (both projection and technique). Shirou would heavily lose to any other Servant, even with projected weapons borrowing him skills of the original wielder. The reason he can defeat Gilgamesh is because their abilities are similar, and UBW's speed is far greater than GoB's (shown by UBW swords crashing into GoB swords before they could leave GoB). And that's only if Gil doesn't use Ea.

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i mean Archer Emiya can defeat Lancer on previous episodes


Nope. Archer lost on both occassions. First time, it was Shirou's interruption that saved him, and 2nd time he survived because he taunted Lancer into throwing Gae Bolg. Otherwise Archer would've been killed both times.


Well he was keeping up with Lancer who was going full power before throwing Gae bolg. Thrusting Gae Bolg on the other hand is another matter entirely. But I dunno who would win between them in just combat. I mean, we see
who knows what else Archer can do, he did create that whole fake opening technique on the spot (I think) to deal with lancer's speed.
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I think they are forshadowing for HF with that stuff. Altough it doesn't make any sense for it to appear here xD

Also, don't complain about Archer's survival being bad here, because it was only a little better in the VN (since he didn't use ubw in VnAnswer). Other than that, it's just as asspull-ish.
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Fuck that was amazing. Vn readers obviously gonna hate cause how u gonna fit something tht long into 24 episodes without some originality. imma vn reader but i thought this was amazing
Shirayuki= Most Perfect Female MC ever
Jun 20, 2015 5:12 PM

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Excellent episode, even me wanting to see a fight between Archer and Gilgamesh, the fight with Shirou was also very good, but Gilgamesh struck me as very weak in this fight, I wanted to see an even grander battle

Rin also showed all his strength and nearly sacrificed himself to destroy the Grail, even Saber showed his great power, and in the end was Archer who saved Rin and Shirou, how good was the final scene between Archer and Rin, Archer with sure is the best male character in this series

Still missing an episode, I am very anxious to watch the last episode, I Hope a great epilogue for this anime that in addition to being among the best of the season, will surely be among the best of the year ..


Well we see Gilgamesh using just as great a sword spam as he used again Herakles, but UBW just counters it completely. Tbh they just need to show that Shirou copies the skills/stats of the wielders of the swords he's tracing (I think it was a mistake UFO just saying it was because of contact with Archer when they physically struck each other) and it's easier to believe that Shirou can take on Gilgamesh.
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