Juuni Taisen Episode 11 Discussion

x_Kaito_x said:
Before this episode I thought Rat's ability was some sort of time travel and he (or conscience) come back from the future due to everyone saying "I already saw this guy", I was near...


Also, I think people are misunderstanding the situation: he can have 100 possible outcomes, but isn't guaranteed he will live even in one. Remember he said he just survived ONE of 100, the chance of sixty times he says is about telling or not about his ability to the EVERYBODY CLAP YOUR HANDS

I wonder what happened to the bets. Since no one bet in Rat, the house won and so gets a lot of countries or everyone stays with its countries?

thebrentinator24 said:
Damn Rat's power is crazy, but man that could be pretty useful in real life.

CT_BINO said:


Yeah... like asking a girl to go on a date 100 times and she declines every single time.

GangsterCat said:
or go to casino and win games

FMmatron said:
Already thought that Rat would be winner of the Juuni Taisen,but holy crap, I wasn't expecting him to have an ability which let's him simulate many different routes.

Usagi looked insane..

staranise said:


Nezumi's ability doesn't let him simulate many different routes. He actually experiences all 100 probabilities at the same time and choose 1 he wants to become reality. They don't just happen in his head, he actually experiences them that's why he's too tired all the time.

FMmatron said:


Thanks for the clarification,I may rewatch that part about his ability.

TsundeReaper said:
I really thought Rat's ability is spacial manipulation since he sneak in and out in Horse's hiding place, don't see how precognition allows him to do that


Anyway he's very OP, his ability I mean, don't get why people saying he's actually weak after this, well he is weak physically and in CQC but overall OP with an OP ability

I think they're planning on reviving the others? I guess coz nothing seems impossible for the organizers

m-i-c-h-a-e-l said:
However, this somewhat-predictable ending was surprisingly well written. They actually gave a satisfactory answer to why Nezumi was doing nothing this entire time. He has the ability to see the future along 100 different routes; so as the weakest warrior, it made sense to sit back and wait it out until the end to act.

staranise said:
Nezumi doesn't have the ability to see the future. He creates and experiences 100 probabilities all at the same time and choose he wants to turn into reality.

KuroYume-96 said:
despite them not giving Ox's backstory (which was disappointing as hell), I loved the episode

really wonder what will happen in the final episode, since this week's episode was where the light novel ended as well

Kannei said:


usagi didnt got any either :(

StrikeyTheFox said:

my only quarrel with his power is it seems to be capped and then not indiscriminately. I'm curious at what point did he start this 100 path journey? why not start the path prior and ensure one path where he didn't go into the war at all.

Also the scene with horse appears slightly suspicious as it almost seemed to be portrayed that he could jump from timeline to timeline. but thinking back on it, that game he played well he was talking seemed to foreshadow a little more than I thought :D

m-i-c-h-a-e-l said:
same thing, different mechanics

staranise said:


Usagi doesn't have a backstory in the novel so that's to be expected. Ox had one in the novel but wasn't included in the anime.

staranise said:


It wasn't presented properly in the anime so I understand the confusion. Since Nezumi's ability was already shown and since the anime have actually reached the end of the novel (almost, just left off one paragraph), I guess this isn't a spoiler anymore. In the novel, it's explained as:

'Tsugiyoshi is a soldier and a high school student. His most prominent ability in battle, the Hundred Paths of Nezumi-san, allows him to tamper with the realm of probability. Tsugiyoshi can carry out a hundred different choices at once, then select which course of events becomes reality. For example, if he were playing rock-paper-scissors, he could throw rock, paper, and scissors at the same time. Should he settle on rock, then reality acts as if he never tried paper or scissors.

If you considered the power as predicting the future one hundred different ways and then selecting one of them, you’d be fairly close, but for two major differences: the predictions are based on actions of his choosing, and he experiences every one.

If time is like a flowchart, he can test one hundred of its forked paths, then choose whichever route he likes the best. This may seem a bit like cheating, but most paths end up being largely similar, and simultaneously experiencing one hundred potential realities comes with a heavy mental burden—in other words, it’s exhausting.

The discarded paths are remembered only by him (with some exceptions), but he doesn’t have perfect recall—one hundred different experiences make for too much to retain completely.

Another major downside is the potential for experiencing a hundred times more failures. He can confess his feelings to a crush in one hundred different ways and be spurned each and every time. (Once, he had to suffer through being dumped one hundred times simultaneously.)

Ultimately, Tsugiyoshi considers his ability not much good for anything except playing rock-paper-scissors—but he was chosen for the Zodiac War despite his young age because he possessed a hundred times more combat experience than typically afforded by the actual number of battles he’d seen. He tried to escape being selected for the Zodiac War, but of the hundred paths, not even one was successful.

His experiences have taught him that there is no one correct path in life, and that even if the concept of truth exists, there’s no one right answer. This learning has given him a distinctly philosophical personality.

The only time he gets excited is when he’s eating cheese—no two cheeses taste the same.'

renanmil said:

Wait... He is experiencing all the realities all the time, or does he experiences the 100 realities only when he activates the ability and it ends when he "lock in"?

StrikeyTheFox said:


And Nezumi doesn't jump from one timeline to another. He experiences all 100 alternate realities at once and chooses one he wants to become actual reality while discarding the others. I feel like a broken record explaining that.

staranise said:


I understand that, and I read your earlier post it's a great explanation. however the part where he appears and disappears well talking to horse a few episode prior is where I'm coming from. it comes across as him entering a timeline where he is inside of the bank, he shows no other hint of feasible escape, but I can chuck that up.

my previous position is those 100 paths aren't clear to the source he is capable of choosing 100 but if they're all following one timestream. so let's add to that explanation you are playing 3 games of rock paper scissor and can follow 3 paths for example sake. you throw all three and rock is the right choice now why would you continue those other two paths on which you already lost instead of creating three new paths locking in on the one you won. yes it's hard to say that he could choose one, but he made it sound like his odds were rough from go. why continue to gamble on a few paths that may work rather than starting 100 new ones. I guess it could be summed up better with 6 paths and two of them you throw rock and win. why would you then only follow two paths when you need two more victories, instead of locking in to one of the winning rock throws and starting 6 paths from that point.

does that make sense?