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Sep 20, 2017 12:30 PM

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It has to be Ayanokoji, I would be very surprised if it wasn't him.
Ayanokojoji should have let Horikita kill that guy, what a retard.
Obviously Hirata couldn't be perfect. He's in the D-class for a reason.
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I'm at a loss for words....I have no idea what I just witnessed in this episode but Horikita has a great body lol

I'm curious to see how this whole thing is gonna conclude though and where the hell is Ayanokoji when you need him >.<
Sep 20, 2017 12:52 PM

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I actually think too that the one who came out at the end was probably Kiyotaka otherwise it would be way too cliché. Ibuki is probably working together with him to find the real culprit behind all the shitstorm since Hirata's request is still ongoing.
Sep 20, 2017 12:55 PM
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I knew there was something seriously wrong with Hirata lol.
And they just keep teasing Ayanokoji's past.... if we don't get an S2 I'll be seriously pissed.
I'm guessing Hirata is getting either threatened by another class ("I didn't do anything wrong") or willingly works with them? Or he's just acting like a great leader to boost his actually non existent self esteem and now he's shocked because something went wrong.

I would go for the third option. He only lost his composure once, when the second incident happened. He would go acting disturbed after the first case if he was actually working for them. I mean, there would be no reason to go reveal your disturbance after the second case if you did not after the first. I mean, there are many things not logically connected as even to consider Hirata working against his own class. If I have the grasp of him, he is a person boosting his own self-esteem, or to be more precise ego by being the "leader", the "goody two-shoes" and overall having a moral dominance over everyone. Not exactly bad, considering he is actually getting everyone together to work for the greater good, but once something does not go his way, he breaks hard.
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Ibuki feels like a red herring, with all the hints suggesting a scheme between Ibuki and Ayanokoji, especially that scene where he asks Horikita to show the card for no reason. Then again what benefit is there in getting Horikita decked like that? Maybe to make a convincing show for the real mastermind to come out into the open? Either that or Akkun suspects C girl and all that was to goad her into to action to catch the mastermind(s) in action and that talk about trust was just an act. Ibuki's words about the fire suggest she wasn't cooperating with Akkun. But then again was there any point in Ibuki wating for Horikita instead of just avoiding her, unless Akkun specifically told her to do that? It's not even clear if the three incidents (pantsu, card, fire) were done by the same person. What a total fustercluck.

Second rule of the symbolism: No one is lying. Everyone is either misinterpreted or misunderstood. You can tell when somebody is lying due to details surrounding them. Except when the subject is an agent of chaos. Nothing applies to those.
When he said he trusted her, he meant it. Most likely they are now working together for *reasons*.
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Sep 20, 2017 12:56 PM
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I feel like the short flashback is supposed to remind us that Ayanokouji is used to working alone, not minding collateral damage. That would mean he has no qualms about putting his "friends" in danger or using them for his plans. In the end, the teacher is blackmailing him to get to class A. So he has something he must achieve and thus he will act in any way necessary. Although I don't understand WHY he would do this. Class C can't get more points deducted, so stabbing Ibuki in the back won't be any good. Maybe he just wants to get rid of Horikita as she's an annoyance? Test of loyalty for Ibuki? How will he gain points from this? Or deduct points from other classes. I don't understand this s**t. Edit: Or class C is scheming something, Ayanokouji figured it out and is countering it? But they don't seem that smart to me...

Anyway, the last few episodes kinda sucked. I didn't really mind the panty stuff (as I know how paranoid girls can be about this), instead I hated the clear stupidity of class D and the fact that nothing properly interesting happened.
I hope the last episode will make up for it. So far it feels like Aldnoah.Zero, great premise, bad execution and ending.
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I was kinda hoping this part of the story wouldn't last nearly as long as it did because compared to like first 7 eps I marathoned, I'm kinda tilted.
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Sep 20, 2017 1:11 PM
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Sjikke said:
I feel like the short flashback is supposed to remind us that Ayanokouji is used to working alone, not minding collateral damage. That would mean he has no qualms about putting his "friends" in danger or using them for his plans. In the end, the teacher is blackmailing him to get to class A. So he has something he must achieve and thus he will act in any way necessary. Although I don't understand WHY he would do this. Class C can't get more points deducted, so stabbing Ibuki in the back won't be any good. Maybe he just wants to get rid of Horikita as she's an annoyance? Test of loyalty for Ibuki? How will he gain points from this? Or deduct points from other classes. I don't understand this s**t.

Anyway, the last few episodes kinda sucked. I didn't really mind the panty stuff (as I know how paranoid girls can be about this), instead I hated the clear stupidity of class D and the fact that nothing properly interesting happened.
I hope the last episode will make up for it. So far it feels like Aldnoah.Zero, great premise, bad execution and ending.

While the flashback does suggest his loneliness, I do not think it solely focuses on it (DON'T DARE SLANDER THE ALDNOAH.ZERO). As I fathom it, flashback indicates that: 1. The facility was a major failure (because those retarded superhumanists, always them) and Ayanouji was the only one who was to be considered a "genius" by those running the facility. What happened between him graduating the facility and "fleeing" to the dystopian school, is to be seen (Note: They could always pull a second "genius" to make him confront Ayanokouji (fresh ideas, never heard of it)). 2. He was moving forward when his comrades (~) were dropping out, making him lonely, for sure. He was also shown to be apathetic in the past, which I believe to be his "raison ďetre" - to help everyone he can and to prevent tragedies around him, WHICH is not thrown out into the public domain and is going deeply inside him. We only see the result.
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Edit: Or class C is scheming something, Ayanokouji figured it out and is countering it? But they don't seem that smart to me...


Class C did not bail out completely, there are still two students, one of them is Ibuki. They could still score 150 points for figuring out the class leaders (And Ibuki already knows about Horikita since she pulled her card out after asked to do so by Ayanokouji, WHICH was done precisely for Ibuki to see it). They could also keep claiming spots and get Class C the minimal point boost needed to stay relevant, at least.
Daniel_NaumovSep 20, 2017 1:17 PM
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Daniel_Naumov said:
Most likely they are now working together for *reasons*.

Assumig the author is following conventions, then what about the fire? Ibuki and Horikita's exchange suggestes it was Ayanokoji without consulting Ibuki. What's that supposed to achieve?

I if I remember it correctly, their exchange actually hinted it was Horikita who started the fire? " I was not sure whether it was you or not who started the fire to the manual" were directed at Horikita? Either way, I am also at loss why they are doing this crap. Diversion? Attempted to make rules and directions unavailable? Fun outdoors? Stay tuned.
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Sep 20, 2017 1:28 PM

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Bit weird. I also thought it was Ayanokoji at the end. But I can't see how this plan benefits the class. (And I don't see a reason why he should do something that harms the class.)

Might only be possible if this is somehow related to fool other classes and/or to change leadership.
Usually this should not be allowed. But if someone from another class steals the card and he steals it back (the teachers don't need to know that she just gave it back to him) it might be possible to change leaders and fool others that still might think that Horikita is the leader.
Sep 20, 2017 1:37 PM

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There is so little going on in this show that I wonder why it was even created at all, haven't dozens of other shows trekked down this very same road?
Sep 20, 2017 1:46 PM

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Cool episode, better than the last ones, also, I'm still pissed at Kishi Seiji for making such a bad adaptation of a good light novel, also regarding the nothing is going on...It's an adaptation of a light novel, and one that will easily have more than 13 volumes, light novels generally use the first 2 or 3 volumes as introduction so of course it seems like nothing is going on, this is also a school anime, it will have teenage problems, some silly conversations and stuff like that.
Sep 20, 2017 1:49 PM

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I remember back at the start when I loved the show, boy it went downhill, this arc is just so terrible...
Sep 20, 2017 1:51 PM

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What Ibuki was blushing that was pretty cute. Also, Ayanokouji is really subtle haha. He's too good. Great ending to the episode.

Sep 20, 2017 1:58 PM
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Is that Ayanokoji at the end? o_O

And what is wrong with Hirata?
Sep 20, 2017 2:35 PM

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Where is the Classroom of the Elite that had me so hooked at first, holy shit this arc is just terrible, and next episode being the last gives 0 hopes for a decent conclusion.
Sep 20, 2017 2:48 PM

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Tho its probably obvious by now, but Im pretty sure Ayanokoji asked the C class girl to steal the card and he probably told his friend or asked someone to pour dirt on Horikita so that C class girl can steal it.

These past eps has been horrible, probably because what made this entertaining was Ayanokoji doing things, lately he hasnt done shit.


My bets are at Hirata - cause of his expression at the Arson incident. Ayanakouji made the arson just to confirm it. Those two have been pulling the strings are along, so if "someone else" did something, it would make them loose composure as seen with Hirata and Ibuki.

Well it's just my guess after all xD
Sep 20, 2017 2:56 PM

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I don't know what people are winning about, I've liked this series overall. Maybe your just upset cause it wasn't what U wanted to see, but it's still good anime
Sep 20, 2017 3:03 PM
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It's a bit sad, this anime is getting worse and worse, and it's more boring at each episodes...
Sep 20, 2017 3:03 PM

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Feels so slow every episode.

But I feel it's ayanokouji at the end.
Sep 20, 2017 3:09 PM

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Why would he go for such actions?

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Sep 20, 2017 3:16 PM

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Am I the only person that feels the pacing is way off!? I mean there is only one episode left and not much has really happened in this anime...like they keep teasing Ayanokoji's backstory but the never dive into it and it's super frustrating...I guess we'll have to see how they handle the final episode
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Sep 20, 2017 3:24 PM
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Am I the only person that feels the pacing is way off!? I mean there is only one episode left and not much has really happened in this anime...like they keep teasing Ayanokoji's backstory but the never dive into it and it's super frustrating...I guess we'll have to see how they handle the final episode

I am afraid this is how it is... like, ever. Once again, Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon. Very enticing, deep and powerful. Only got two season 12 episodes each. I am waiting for what, 6-7 years for them to continue. Guess the same happens here.
They might have it all planned though, in this sense it is similar to the "Assassination Class", which also came out and wrapped itself neatly in two goes. Something worth beholding is taking long before fulfilling itself, and something not really so is going on over the 100th episode.
Gotta stay steadfast. I want to believe...
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Sep 20, 2017 3:32 PM
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It was okay. We're already at the final episode? This has been... rather disappointing lately. :(

In any case, while I doubt this is the case, I honestly hope it's not the MC at the end. As a twist that would have been, I don't see any reason to do all of what he did, including indirectly hurting Horikita. It will feel very random to me.
Sep 20, 2017 3:37 PM

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God, this anime has gotten so shit.

Only 1 ep left though!

I wonder who she was passing the card to? My bets are still on Kushida.
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Sep 20, 2017 3:48 PM

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This anime really doesn't have any direction anymore, it's becoming too clever for it's own good and has too many subplots competing for attention. This episode was garbage.
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Sep 20, 2017 4:07 PM

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The comments for this episode each week are always the most puzzling to me.

Also, two pages of comments, and somehow everyone think it's Ayanokoji, and no one guessed it might be Kushisda who shows up for the keycard at the end? She's been surprisingly absent for a while now.
Sep 20, 2017 4:50 PM

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I think it would be too cliche i think if it's Ayanokouji at the end.

The way i understand it is...
Ayanokouji wanted Ibuki to see the key card at the river
That mud thing was weird, but it got Horikita away from her possessions plus she was feeling ill so ibuki had plenty of time to steal the card
He then sets fire to the Manual and creates mass panic, Ibuki would then have to run away + it could give her more time to run away(edited)
She goes back to the spot with the hole and Ayanokouji... maybe he was scouting whoever would show up in the bushes
oh and in the mean time Horikita collapsed
they probably have to change the class leader
So no one can guess the class leader on the last day
(Just trying to figure out why it was significant for Horikita to be there)

Sep 20, 2017 5:12 PM

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All i can say is that this smells like a big fat red-herring...

That or our listless mc is secretly evil.
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Sep 20, 2017 5:12 PM
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In this series, it always seems like something interesting is just about to happen, but it never really does.
...but then again, I unironically like Warau Salesman.
Sep 20, 2017 5:34 PM

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And what is wrong with Hirata?

He's a nutjob, like everyone else in this school.
Sep 20, 2017 6:15 PM

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Normally I would hesitate to walk in this thread in fear of spoilers but I am so convinced of not missing out because I'm certain nothing happens. Won't say disappointed because that requires expactations. This is like the headache weed you smoke because you got nothing planned.
Sep 20, 2017 6:24 PM
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It has to be Ayanokoji, I would be very surprised if it wasn't him.
Horikita should have killed that guy, what a retard.
Obviously Hirata couldn't be perfect. He's in the D-class for a reason.

I agree. And yes, she should have given him a hot slap or more wth and she's not even feeling well. Poor Horikita☹️
Sep 20, 2017 7:11 PM

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I'm starting to like Horikita now(coz muh fanservice).




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Sep 20, 2017 7:12 PM

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TBH, the only part that make me hooked in this episode is that soundtrack in the end of episode, really this show really lost my interest.
Sep 20, 2017 7:28 PM

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Wow, people are finally realizing how bad is this serie.
Sep 20, 2017 7:29 PM
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I know this is a episode discussion but I got nowhere to ask. Can someone tell me what's the Song Beat at 7:42-8:33 ?
Sep 20, 2017 7:31 PM
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Neizaru said:
Well if the symbolism rule is working, then Horikita suspected Ibuki first but when she tried to ask she saw an "oh crap" expression, and in the final scene Ibuki suspected her instead which was met with a confused reaction and a short flashback of Ayanokoji. If both of them suspected each other that leaves only him as the one responsible. Which then means he didn't tell Ibuki he was planning to do that despite their cooperation (assuming it exists). And Ibuki was behaving like she expected Horikita to appear ("took you long enough") and didnt bother to avoid her at all, so it looks like Akkun pulled a number on C girl, but simply why? Wth is he planning?


I cant really tell, but my guess it should be a way to find out about the panty theft. it would be totally absurd it it's only to find out the arsonist, since we knew the suzune was in the forest when the arson happened. If it really was for the arson then it likely ayonokoji suspected that horikita had an underling. it gets more and more confusing right there and it pisses me off a bit. But yeah it was just my guess.

But, but, actually what pissed me off the most was his main suspect was suzune all along, he surely fucked up in the head. even after knowing the fact very well that suzune really wanted to ascend to class A. Men just please dont do this anymore

Sep 20, 2017 7:39 PM

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Pretty interesting episode.

I thought the dude was stupid for putting dirt on Horikita, but if whatever the hell is happening is an elaborate scheme by him then I can see it happening but it begs the question as to why he is doing it.

Horikita's bathing scene was damn fine. <3

Hirata going full mood out makes me wonder what his backstory is.
Sep 20, 2017 7:40 PM

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Ok so we know class C went for the zero point approach.

I feel Ibuki is really helping out Ayanokouji with all the dirty work as a "nakama" since her class is already at zero point.(most likely the deal is letting ibuki guess correctly class D's leader and gain 50bonus point) Also I believe Ibuki is the leader for class C and Ayanokouji found out her class card that she buried. Which should explain the "collaboration" as Ayanokouji should be the one that approach Ibuki for it with the "look I already know your class leader, why not we work together"

So what this episode show is basically Ayanokouji making everyone believe Ibuki is a spy and class C is attacking class D. Remember that before the test started the teachers mention that you can change leader, but only with good reason. Ayanokouji is using Ibuki to achieve that. Someone from a class that doesn't have any more points to lose. Most likely class A already knew horikita is the leader(and honestly the only 100% method to hide your leader's identity is to switch out leader on the last day)

And for all we know, Kouenji went back to ship after some tactical planning with Ayanokouji. As a lookout for other class trying the last minute leader change that Ayanokouji is attempting.

Edit: Oh and also I think I know who is the panty thief. It should be Hirata. The thing to note is that who did the thief tries to frame? It was Ike, who supposedly became the leading figure due to his camping knowledge. So given what we were shown, the only one in class D to have motive towards him should be Hirata. Plus the victim was his gf, so an additional minor arrow pointing towards Hirata. The arson scene was just to bring focus on Hirata hated being a failure of leader. That should be his flaw and why he is in class D.
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The comments for this episode each week are always the most puzzling to me.

Also, two pages of comments, and somehow everyone think it's Ayanokoji, and no one guessed it might be Kushisda who shows up for the keycard at the end? She's been surprisingly absent for a while now.


Cuz no one in class D will sabotage their own class unless they are a spy for another class. And Kushisda cannot be a spy since she is supposedly one of the main going by the poster in mal.

Plus Ibuki DID have the key card with her. So the only person Ibuki will be acting for in class D should be MC(assuming she isn't doing class C work)

Daniel_Naumov said:
Lord_of_Anime said:
Am I the only person that feels the pacing is way off!? I mean there is only one episode left and not much has really happened in this anime...like they keep teasing Ayanokoji's backstory but the never dive into it and it's super frustrating...I guess we'll have to see how they handle the final episode

I am afraid this is how it is... like, ever. Once again, Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon. Very enticing, deep and powerful. Only got two season 12 episodes each. I am waiting for what, 6-7 years for them to continue. Guess the same happens here.
They might have it all planned though, in this sense it is similar to the "Assassination Class", which also came out and wrapped itself neatly in two goes. Something worth beholding is taking long before fulfilling itself, and something not really so is going on over the 100th episode.
Gotta stay steadfast. I want to believe...


You know that season 3 isn't coming is the fault of love live :( So lets boycott love live and fuck sunrise T_T
Sep 20, 2017 8:33 PM

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Bruuh, 12 episodes is not enough for this anime. What the fuck. So far, nothing happened besides them doing the survival training. Ugh. It pisses me off with the episode where they're at the pool. That was a waste of episode. Forfucksake. I really thought this will be 2-cour. Jesus. I'm so pissed now.

Throughout the episode, the only significant thing we found out was Ibuki was the one who stole the key card, oh and Horikata has a fever all this time.

Anything else? Jesus.

I wonder how are they going to end this show. Ohmygod. So disappointed that this has only 12 episodes. It's like there's no story progress. This show had a lot of potential, maaan.
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Sep 20, 2017 8:41 PM

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Goddamn every girl in Class D except the main two are as annoying as they are retarded!

Also that ending tho!
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Sep 20, 2017 8:55 PM

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Goddamn every girl in Class D except the main two are as annoying as they are retarded!

Also that ending tho!


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Sep 20, 2017 9:19 PM
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Seems like majority of people here that it was Ayanoboring-kun was the culprit, well I'm with them. My own guess would is; he wants to be the leader because Horikita might be too obvious as she stands out on every class especially the failed peeping incident, might be also a way to fool the other class make them guess wrong and cause them to lose points. The only problem is Class B as Honami and her teacher sees Ayanoboring as interesting aside from Horikita and Hirata.

The fight at the end was cool but still a disappointing episode, no Sakura Airi.
Sep 20, 2017 9:31 PM

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We got another 10 seconds flashback of the MC's past that accomplished absolutely nothing! Hooray!
Sep 20, 2017 9:55 PM
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bro this show went downhill fast. It isn't capitlizing on what interests people, such as; akonokoji and kushida's alternate personality, akonokoji's past, akonokoji's fighting ability,and kushida's reason for being so fake.
Want this show to get a second season but it doesn't look like it will at this rate.
Sep 20, 2017 10:20 PM

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Is there any rule that states that students who dropped off and quit back to the boat are not allowed to return to the island during the test period? Because if there isn't, I'm placing my bets on Ryuuen.

The fact that Ibuki was asking Horikita if she had stolen what was hers during the fight at the end seems to go against a lot of your theories that Ayanokouji had blackmailed Ibuki into stealing the card at the end there. Otherwise, she would have known who had taken her stuff (Ayanokouji) and not have done any of what she was doing in the first place (a lack of motivation to do it all). I believe that her act of joining in on D Class was all instructions by Ryuuen (for what purpose, will probably be revealed next week), and that she probably didn't expect to have her gear stolen away from her. Identifying and stealing the card was probably her plan all along. As for the fire, she just used it to conveniently make her move.

The fire itself was merely a distraction, though what happened prior and Hirata's reaction all seem quite suspect. I actually get the feeling that there might be something wrong with this dude. Given how good his grades are suppose to be, the fact that he got dumped into D Class itself is suspicious. Maybe he's a spy that was planted into the class initially by C Class to act as a go-between in cases like this. Who knows. It could've been him who met with Ibuki at the end there as well now that I think about it.

In any case, as uninspiring as this arc has been, OCD compels me to finish this mystery.
Hopefully the revelations will be worth it.
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bro this show went downhill fast. It isn't capitlizing on what interests people, such as; akonokoji and kushida's alternate personality, akonokoji's past, akonokoji's fighting ability,and kushida's reason for being so fake.
Want this show to get a second season but it doesn't look like it will at this rate.


The heck do you expect? cant you at least tell that this show isnt about a certain badass character's personal own life?



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Denalii said:
bro this show went downhill fast. It isn't capitlizing on what interests people, such as; akonokoji and kushida's alternate personality, akonokoji's past, akonokoji's fighting ability,and kushida's reason for being so fake.
Want this show to get a second season but it doesn't look like it will at this rate.


The heck do you expect? cant you at least tell that this show isnt about a certain badass character's personal own life?




:( yeah you right, fukin dumb
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Also, two pages of comments, and somehow everyone think it's Ayanokoji, and no one guessed it might be Kushisda who shows up for the keycard at the end? She's been surprisingly absent for a while now.

Not like it necessarily matters much, but did you miss comment #70?
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