Shiki Episode 21 Discussion

skyzblue said:
The villagers behaviour is unacceptable. I understand killing Shiki, but to kill normal humans for no apparent reason is worse.
And Seishin as a character is just plain disappointing. I can understand his reluctance to kill Shiki; but rather than hiding, he could've tried to change Toshio's mind. Being such a strong man of his principles, its disappointing to see him not able to do something to stop this gorefest..

Incr3dibl3 said:
I too hope that Sunako won't survive.I was never a big fan of hers and she pretty much creeps me out.I'm not the least bit sorry for her.

Shimapan-chan said:

Also I don't agree with the folks that are like "the villagers are the worst!" The shiki killed to survive now the villages are killing to survive. Only difference is that the villagers were the victim in the majority of the show and this is their retaliation. GO VILLAGERS WOOTWOOT~!

Cookiestroke said:


True. Also I don't get it why people like Sunako. She IS the root of all problem and she sacrifices her comrades for her safety. If only she weren't a little girl people would have been like "look at that pussy-ass villian running away to save his own ass" .The only reason people like Megumi and Sunako is because they are cute.

Cnon said:
Holy Shit what just happened you can't kill people that's bullshit
Are they going to survive by killing each other?

Holybum said:
Fucking bastards killed shrine people even though they had nothing to do with it

blessofcurse said:
Seishin please die painfully, I genuinely hate your existence.

Tomasz-Sama said:
Damn ..... I enjoyed this anime since it's my first one about Vampires and must say it has it's own climate and it sucked me very fast to watch it even tho it was progressing a bit slow time by time. There are many favorite characters which I like but the main one are Sunako and Megumi. Megumi because of her touching personality and I really doesn't know what I like about Sunako but she caught my eye. For example I never liked Natsuno Yuuki, he's just so cold and strange. Anyway I have enjoyed this anime a lot and wished that Megumi had survived this but well what can you do ?

P.S Do you guys think there might series 2 coming out ? The reason I'm saying it is that Muroi and Sunako managed to escape at the end.

bakuramariks said:
I came to like Seishin with this episode, I never hated him in the first place, but now i like him. He just don't want to kill anyone, because unlike Ozaki and the villagers, he realizes that even if shikis are dead, now they have a life, they are the same as what they were when they were alive, they are creatures a little different from humans, but have the right to live, like dogs, cats etc. People kill in order to feed themselves and live, but now, you see, shikis attacked humans, so they must die. Like always, humans think they are superior to any other being on Earth. Well, this episode shows that we aren't and sometimes we act more disgusting than any other creature.

bakuramariks said:


I already cried ;_;

I hate the villagers. I loathe them! Please, at least let Sunako lives.

Ushitsune said:


And when I saw Tohru and Ritsuko... I couldn't believe it.

wakka9ca said:

No killing is "granted". Again, I'm not a big fan of using survival as an excuse for everything. The humans killing shiki is still ok but obviously they are going too far. Anyone who fails to see that are as lost in their obsession for revenge and bloodlust than the villagers in this series.

And I don't want to repeat myself again concerning all this Muroi-hating. I gave up. I'll lower my standards and not waste my time arguing over this. I just find it funny most people hate him. I would say the adaptation did a nice job portraying that character.

ariapokoteng said:

The thing is that vampires and people can coexist only if the latters hunt the formers.
You let shikis be - they multiply. Just like rats. Or locusts. More shikis - more blood required - even more shikis as the result. If no one hunts them - human race would just extinct in no time.
If Sunako & Co would have wanted just to live happily, they should have been keeping the shiki population on the very low levels. Say, just only Kirishikis themselves. No laying hands on the villagers. They attack people from the city - so they have enough food to survive. that way no one would give a damn about Kanemasa and they could live there as long as they please.
Yet Sunako decided to turn the whole village into shikis. They got what they deserved.

Fang-tan said:
Wow. Why does everyone hate Sunako? She wasn't selfish in her actions in anyway. Natsuno is the one who needs to be impaled ten times over.

Xayoz said:

It rather puzzles me.
So your best friend gets killed, yet comes back virtually unchanged.
You get turned into a awesome immortal with basically no rules or limitations.
What do you do?
'I'M GONNA KILL EVERYONE! (and hope to die myself as well)'

God, I'm really starting to hate misantropic people.

Or are you saying Natsuno fights against Shiki for he is a noble hero who has developed a deep love for the village (witch he openly claims to dislike) and all of it's inhabitants?
Pff.
To me he is just an angsty wuss who, out of some adolescent stubbornness, refuses to adapt.


It means that the 'living' villagers are not just killing some foreign horde, trying to drive them out of their homes but butchering their own friends and families.

Hana-kei said:


He explained his real wish referring his story this week.
first, he felt sympathy for shikis who have become a monster without their intent, because, to him, shikis seemed to be completely equal to living people. People kill animals to live, shikis kill humans to live, because it's necessary for them. So, he couldn't accept to kill shikis.
And, he's born in a temple as head monk's son, he needed to be a good, kind, and nice man as villagers expect him to be. He was quite bored and tired of his life. He wanted to jettison his burden and become free. But there was no place for him to escape to. So he slashed his wrist and attempted to die. The young brother of the story is probably his self-projection. But he didn't die and so he become the young monk as people want him to be.
That’s why he said "If what Sunako said is true, perhaps I have some intent to kill against the village” on the end of epsode 19.

He is no better than dead mentally. So he's gone to the dead side. Because, he could felt more sympathy for shiki than for living people.
I thought of those kind of things about him. Well, it's just my conjecture though.

shadowii said:

you should read the manga
tohru and Natsuno met again there before Ritsuo even died the first time

vivichi said:


I think it's only natural that the shikis need to kill humans in order to live, it's just like us humans have to kill animals to feed ourselves.

Sunako is disgusting me. She is blabbering all the time about being scared of dying. How about thinking of the humans? They have to die because they are her meals. It's great that she talks about the stuff that she knows exactly how wrong it was for her to kill so many people but if it's about her dead, she's scared? Sunako are you kidding me? If you dare to kill, then you should also think about being killed in return, lol.

ArtVandelay1 said:
How fucked up is your sense of justice and logic, guys?

Yeah, of course, the Shikis have the right to live. So what? They are eating normal people, and they therefore have the right to defend theirselves. If they have to kill the Shiki in order to survive, then that's perfectly fine.

The villagers killing the Young Monks parents was perfectly normal, too. This is a matter of life and death here. If one of them had truly been a traitor, then the whole village could have died. Avoiding collateral damage isn't as fucking important as making sure you will survive, because the Monk's an obvious threat and their life is gravely endangered.
Imagine being one of the villagers without becoming too emotional just because Sunako is oh-so-pitiful (she isn't, the anime has just managed to make the villains seem like they are righteous too, so that the last episodes are more dramatic and climatic). What would have been more bearable to you, killing 3 innocent people or dieing because you didn't kill them?

It's extremely hypocritical to say that they have a right to live by eating the villagers but saying that the villagers shouldn't kill them.

bakuramariks said:
The little girl is not selfish. Of course people (in this case a shiki) think first of themselves. This is my life, this is me, my instinct tell me to save myself. It's the case with anybody. Wanting to life, to save yourself, to live good, to want something for yourself isn't selfish.

KitchenAppliance said:
Sunako is already dead.

She's past her expiration date, and she should accept that. The brat should just die already and stop killing innocent people just to make her already extended life even longer.

Trequartista said:
The villagers behaviour is unacceptable. I understand killing Shiki, but to kill normal humans for no apparent reason is worse.
And Seishin as a character is just plain disappointing. I can understand his reluctance to kill Shiki; but rather than hiding, he could've tried to change Toshio's mind. Being such a strong man of his principles, its disappointing to see him not able to do something to stop this gorefest..

Animefreak17a said:

wrong I like them because I can understand what there going though....but you seem to just let all te shit thee humans have done slide

TomDay said:



you obviously most likely do not understand the psychology work this has been putting on these guys. it IS granted. so many of these shiki have killed people they have loved and known for years so they ARE going to kill people with even a sniffing of suspicion. no-one is saying it's right. but it will happen and you can't blame them.

wakka9ca said:

You are misunderstanding my quote. What I meant is that the judgement and choice can be clouded by emotion.

Rationality is still something that can counteract emotions. One of the themes of this series is to show what pushed that balance to be broken, making the villagers act like a mindless and violent mob. At the same time, it's also a matter of life or death, of humans pitted against Shiki's. That's how the series is set up and I merely said that I am not a fan of such a setup.

Still a good series though, after all these years I still remember.

TomDay said:


it's not news that you can still think your way out of basically any situation. but to say that they didn't and it's not granted is still not fair.

Rosny said:
How am I supposed to feel sorry for them? Do humans turn into piranhas and go into an uncontrollable frenzy when eating? Do humans lose control and kill the hen when they need an egg or a cow when they need milk?

TomDay said:


vegan anyone?

i love animals, i even consider them better than humans, but to say that "Well, it's ok to feed yourself on humans since humans do it to animals" is wrong.

since humans are not animals. the end.

or else animals that eat humans can also go on trial and go to jail. you cannot make animals and humans the same thing. and like i said, humans can survive their whole lives not eating a single piece of animal meat.

the shiki have no leg to stand on when they use that excuse. they are filth that need to die.

Sakarii said:

Except you're wrong. Veganism works only for a small portion of people. Everyone else tends to get really sick and almost die on the diet. So, no, "humans can survive their whole lives not eating a single piece of animal meat." That's completely untrue and you should feel bad for typing that. Not all diets work for everyone; some do better ONLY on animal meat. Humans are omnivores, get over it.

And humans ARE animals. Just because they can't speak our language doesn't mean humans are aliens, completely different from the rest. That's not how evolution works. Or did you miss all the studies about all the animals capable of remembering and learning human-like tasks? Freaking seriously, you're no better than shikis thinking you're somehow better simply by being human.

TomDay said:


humans are mammals. that's it. get over it.