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mdo7 Jun 24, 9:20 AM
Tom, are you still around, I got to talk to you via PM. I think K-pop fanbase could be in danger.
Destinesia Jun 17, 8:26 PM
Soverign Mar 8, 8:15 PM
Ah man that is one of muh waifus tho...
Eh, whatever.
Doujin actually.
OrangeMaru (YD)] Hidden Quest + OrangeMaru Special 08

mdo7 Jul 26, 2019 6:09 PM
I'm not aware of that, I've been busy doing a lot of stuff. Send me the link please.
pluvia33 Jan 14, 2019 2:50 AM
pluvia33 Jan 13, 2019 1:11 AM
Okay? And that article says absolutely nothing about Korean stuff compared to Japanese stuff. It only talks of exports of Korean comics TO Japan relative to the percentage of Korean comic exports that go to other regions. It doesn't say anything about their products surpassing those of Japan in any way.
pluvia33 Jan 12, 2019 5:57 PM
That article did not say that webtoon's exports had surpassed manga's exports. It said that, in Korea, they are exporting more of their comics to Japan than they are importing manga from Japan. Still interesting, I guess.
mdo7 Nov 30, 2018 1:56 PM
you said:
that makes more sense tbh. i don't have much knowledge on donjag adaptions in korea so that's what i had assumed.

Well, now you know. Do me favor: go watch Along with the gods film series. South Korea can do a good fantasy film.

i can say this because i have been in the fanbase and have seen idol after idol display their abilities and yes, i do believe they don't have much talent. outside idols as a whole, i don't even believe koreans can act that well in general.

Well if K-pop don't have talent, then they wouldn't be as famous and big in the west like they are now. Even Japanese idols can't compete with their Korean counterpart:

Why Japanese idol trainees lag behind Koreans

Even Taiwanese musicians went to South Korea to get K-pop idol training because they know K-pop idols outdo them on many scale.

i don't even believe koreans can act that well in general. but that's another subject for another time.

If they can't act, then critics in the US wouldn't have praise the Korean. You think bad acting from Korea just suddenly get all praises overseas.

i don't want the idols' name alone to pull in views, which is how the US uses celebrities in their animation movies.

Well sadly, that's how you can get people (including anime fans) to watch K-animation, a K-pop idol's name alone is enough to draw a lot of people. How do you think Hollywood films do so well in China, they pandered to them:

Hell, I even seen US and international celebrities pandering to K-pop fans online by showing their love of K-pop on Twitter. So yes, if you want K-pop/K-drama fanbase to branch out to K-anime/aeni, then Korean animation industry will have to pander to K-pop fans just like Hollywood did for China. Speaking of Hollywood, they also been pandering to K-pop fanbases for quite a while like for example, Star Wars with EXO. After BTS's documentary movie did so well in the US:

I won't be surprised if Hollywood decided to pander to South Korea and K-pop fanbases around the world in the same manner it did to China.

So if you want K-pop/K-drama fans to watch aeni/K-anime, you have to pander to those fanbases and that's why K-pop idols lending their voice to K-animation is the key for K-anime/aeni.

outside of asia? i just thought it was outside of china, not the continent.

I should clarified: I meant outside of Asia amongst animation (and anime) fans, and amongst fans of Chinese film and TV drama via fansubs (like the one I linked in previous message). Yes, it's true that Chinese animation hasn't been licensed/exported to US. But that doesn't mean they're finding it's way into the internet and getting fansubs.

Remember fansubs is how anime got a growing fandom, the same will happen for Chinese animation. Hell, even Korean animation got fansubs too. Take Elsword, before Nexon uploaded the full episodes on Youtube, there were fansubbers that uploaded episodes:

Fansubbed Elsword episode 1:

This was uploaded last year before Nexon Korea uploaded the official episode 11 month ago. So if fansubs can help anime, then the same will applied to Korean and Chinese animation. Korean animation has a bigger chance because of the presence of K-pop and K-drama.

even if the internet doesn't care in the first place, it could write articles on the aeni adaptations being watched by many people in asia, and do a cover on it to bring some exposure.

that's what i feel the #1 thing aeni/donhua is missing, exposure. it would really help the industry.

I don't know how Chinese animation can get more exposure. But Korean animation can get way enough exposure if a famous K-pop idol lend their voice to that animation. If the K-anime happens to be a sequel or a tie-in to a famous K-drama, that alone can get enough attention from K-pop/K-drama fanbase.
mdo7 Nov 29, 2018 8:00 PM
Hi Tomday,

Sorry for the delay, I was enjoying myself this Thanksgiving. Perhaps I could address some of your responses.

you said:
i believe korea purposefully didn't live action any donjag (shounen) webtoon not because it doesn't have lots of fans (because it does) but because it would look awful.

I don't think it's because of that. The reason Shonen or high fantasy webtoon don't get live-action adaptation is not because of it would look awful, K-drama budget can't handle something like that. Mainland China can do live-action fantasy shonen TV drama because they have a bigger budget then South Korea's TV production. South Korea can pull it off but as a film, Take Along with the Gods film series:

South Korea can adapt any fantasy stuff into live-action, but you have to do it in film and not TV dramas. Speaking of Along with the Gods, that 2 film is based on a webtoon. And I also put my bet this will work well as a Aeni/K-anime adaptation.

I just got a report Along with the gods will also get a TV drama adaptation. So maybe it's not crazy if any Korean animation studio would want to adapt it into a K-anime.

to me, idols have 0 talent in acting and singing.

Hey whoa, whoa. Don't say that. There are K-pop idols out there that have real talent out there. Yes, there are K-pop idol that can act really well. So if there are K-pop that can act on TV drama, then there maybe a chance to have K-pop idols being trained in voice acting. Having a K-pop idols (even a big name idol) that can do voice-acting for Korean animation could help K-anime a lot on a global scale.

i know that voice acting has been said to be a problem in aeni, but with wara store i believe that as long as there is a good director it can happen with ease. although dramatic voice acting is a dime a dozen in anime. as long as the idols have talent in voice acting, i don't think i would make much a tantrum as i do now just thinking about them.

As I said, Chinese animation gaining a lot of attention outside of Asia. So that will motivate South Korea to increase production on Korean animation.

and since korea is known even by casual watchers that they have a relationship with the US, it wouldn't be foreign to them to hear of an original korean production and check that out as well.

Don't forget anytime K-pop idols promote any items, that items get a lot of attention from K-pop fanbases. So if you have K-pop idols lending their voice on aeni, that can help K-anime to get a wider audiences. Also it's very likely K-drama could have aeni/K-anime sequel or spin-off tie-in. So that can create a cross-appeal for K-drama and K-pop fan to get into K-anime.

as for webtoon, that's a bit of a bumpy subject to talk about since naver fired the US line head of content, as i'm sure you probably know as well. besides that news, the website suffered from too much US stories instead of korean for years and it's in a very bad place now.

I wasn't aware of that.

so if any webtoon adaptations are announced, they could be stories that US fans don't know about since barely any new ones have been translated, and the ones they are interested in are american. they could be confused on why US stories are not getting adapted. it's good that tom is gone though, that's a good move on naver's part. so maybe line needs to strengthen their korean content next year before announcing any aeni adaptations.

Hm, I can understand. For any aeni adaptation of webtoon, they'll have to relied to K-pop idols and good marketing in order to make it work. That's why I'm glad we have Netflix and Youtube for. Also I put my bet that Korean companies may try reaching out to Crunchyroll to get their content on there.

yes it does help! i didn't know those things before. it does seem like a really good idea on your proposal.

If you want aeni/K-anime to get a lot of attention in the US, it has to be treated like a big K-drama. In other word, K-anime has to create a buzz on the internet. Remember what happened when Netflix announce they picked up Evangelion:

This caused a big buzz on the internet:

Neon Genesis Evangelion: Netflix Adding Every Episode & Movie in 2019

Hollywood Reporter article

Evangelion is not even mainstream in the US like on the same level as Naruto, Dragonball Z, or Pokemon. Yet the news of Netflix getting Evangelion caused a big buzz on the internet.

That's how I want K-anime to be treated in the US, on the same level as Evangelion. That's why I'm hoping KBS World and Korean animation could pay attention to how people reacted to Evangelion get a Netlfix rescue. That's what I want to see for K-anime.
mdo7 Nov 16, 2018 9:54 PM
you said:
i can see that SK really is behind on the "anime" type appeal when compared to china. they're probably more focused on the more marketable industry that is k-drama right now.

Mainland China has also been making a lot of TV drama too like for example: Legend of Fuyao, The Eternal Love 2, The Fox's Summer, etc....

I've been seeing a lot of Chinese TV dramas on both Viki and Netflix. So as I said, it's not only animation they're churning out but also TV dramas too. And the Chinese animation industry and TV drama industry could team up and maybe collaborate like for example, Ice Fantasy:

China may try to remake some of their TV drama into C-anime. I could see Ice Fantasy getting a C-anime remake if you watch this scene:

A lot of these stuff done in live-action, they could benefit from a animation remake. It's not only Ice Fantasy, I could see Legend of Fuyao getting a animation remake in Mainland China. Any fantasy-based Chinese TV drama based on Chinese novel or Chinese comic could get a animation remake.

So that could motivate South Korea to take animation more seriously. If China can produce a lot of animation and TV dramas, then so can South Korea.

that's probably a good idea to use k-idols to promote aeni. k-idols have already been used to promote webtoon, as i'm sure you know about bigbang's webtoon on tapas. i just don't want any takeover, because the kpop industry works very differently from webtoon, as it is more of a business that focuses on quality marrying with quantity. kpop is more on quantity before quality. one of the biggest reasons why webtoon is popular is because of the very diverse and excellent writing that are published by the official sites.

Well there are K-pop idols that can act, and do musical. But I would love to see a K-pop idol that can do voice-acting like maybe on the same level as Seiyus in Japan. I know singing idols in Japan that have become voice actors/actresses in Japan and I know seiyus that also serve as singing idols like Nana Mizuki. If a K-pop idol can have a talent for voice acting. That alone can help aeni/K-anime find audiences amongst K-pop fanbases and probably get new fan in anime fandom.

i'm thinking that maybe them or other korean animation studios like DR movie could have a chance to adapt a webtoon, and with the right marketing it could be on the race that china and japan are currently in. there are plenty of korean animation studios to choose from i believe.

As I said above, what China is doing will motivate South Korea to do the same. South Korea has major advantage:

-Chinese animation hasn't gotten any major license outside of China or in the west yet. So South Korea could do that.

-K-pop and K-drama has big advantage in the west given that they're popular. Webtoon too, so that can help aeni/K-anime.

-Since Chinese government control the censorship on everything including animation. That give South Korea more advantage, South Korean government will relax censorship in order for aeni/K-anime to compete with Chinese and Japanese animation.

it is a good idea to have an aeni channel as a sub brand of CN. in addition it could also attract koreans to look at a channel that has their on native people's content on it since they have a lot of patriotic pride. and i do agree that it should be marketed to asia first before the west/US, seeing asia has more people and you really need a strong hold on it before you want to go further than that.

As I said, Tooniverse need to create a 2nd channel for aeni/K-anime with more mature content. Also about showcasing K-anime in East and Southeast Asia. Well are you familiar with Oh!K (Wikipedia information)? Oh!K show K-dramas from MBC in East and Southeast Asia, but maybe with MBC and Turner Broadcasting Asia's help, maybe Oh! K can create a dedicated block of K-anime. Same thing for KBS World, if KBS and MBC can help K-anime on their worldwide channel, that could help aeni/K-anime to expand their international audiences.

Tom, do you remember when Mnet America broadcasted Japanese anime few years ago:

Yes, I think Oh! K and KBS World should do the same for Aeni/K-anime. They should create a 1 or 2 hour block for aeni/K-anime to not only showcase but to see how Korean animation fare well with non-Korean and non-Asian audiences. If it does well, then aeni/K-anime has big potential to become big in the US and around the world.

I hope these help.
mdo7 Nov 16, 2018 2:01 PM
Ah OK, when you're done. Go look at my comment post on your profile about Chinese and Korean animation. Also TomDay, I think you may have heard what happened to BTS and Japan? Here's the video from Billboard:

BTS is not the only one, go watch these video:

mdo7 Nov 16, 2018 8:53 AM
Tom, were you trying to say something. Some of the replies on the thread we talked about have been deleted. What is it you wanted to tell me?
mdo7 Nov 15, 2018 9:07 PM
TomDay said:

thanks for those links. and it is pretty convincing that those are from japan instead! it makes sense they would look alike since china is involved with the 80 to 90% of animating for japan. but still, it's really surprising how alike they are. at least korea's own style is clearer to see. i don't believe i would be able to tell it was donghua save for the very chinese clothing.

and it is a pretty tragic thing that ANN doesn't list anything outside of japan, especially since it supports a dying industry. in a while it won't even be relevant anymore. i had thought of an ANN for china and korea and have had serious thought on developing a site for that.

Well when I saw these Chinese animation, I was so blown away by the detail of the animation and the story/plotline. This is a Japanese anime industry's worse nightmare, a neighboring country that can make animation that can rival and surpass anime. And it won't be China alone, enter South Korea and you know the rest.

It's unfortunate that ANN or any anime website hasn't set up an area dedicated for Korean and Chinese animation. At least Hobby Japan has a South Korean spin-off, and yes they do talk about Korean animation on there.

TomDay said:
But back on topic, it's possible that the South Korean government and Korean animation industry are already aware of Mainland China's booming animation industry. In order for Korean animation to compete with Chinese animation on a global scale, the Korean government will have to give money to Korean animation studio which will include giving Korean animation industry the freedom to turn anything into K-anime/Aeni. As I said, both Mainland China and South Korea know that Japan's animation industry is aging and may not be able to compete with their animation, so that's why I believe Korean animation could in the future rival Chinese animation.

this could very well be happening, but as you said, we are missing very crucial news on what direction this is taking since we don't have a lot on it. i haven't seen much of aeni besides their CGI.

i guess you could

Well Tom, I think you need to look at these Chinese animation:

What and how do you think South Korean's animation industry are going to react when they see these? That's going to motivate South Korean animation industry to create animation that can hold candle to their Chinese counterpart. If the South Korean government saw what Chinese animation industry has been producing, that's going to make South Korean government want to increase animation production in South Korea. South Korean animation industry are probably going to team up with K-pop idols to make Aeni/K-anime marketable and gain publicity.

TomDay said:
I said:
You want to get a fan of any slice of life anime to watch a K-drama, all you have to do is adapt Orange Marmalade, and Cheese in the Trap into K-anime and there you go, that anime fan watch it and found out about the K-drama adaptation, they end watching up the K-drama adaptation.

How do you get K-drama fan that never watch anime to branch out to anime. If Orange Marmalade become a K-anime/aeni, then that K-drama fan who love the live-action K-drama adaptation may end up watching the K-anime adaptation of it. In the end, that fan was introduced to Japanese equivalent genre similar to Orange Marmalade like that K-drama fan may end up watching Vampire Knight probably because of a recommendation, or was told by a friend about that anime. Also if a magical girl webtoon become a aeni/K-anime, then that fan of that Korean magical girl can end up watching Sailor Moon and Shugo Chara.

i don't know much about k drama, i must admit, mostly because of my hatred of it. so i don't know about the fans not knowing about anime. but the small bit i do know is that they do read webtoon, with the k-pop/drama fans i have been around. so if they market a webtoon story in general, it could appeal to them either way.

Well, I always thought there is a way to bridge anime fans and K-drama fans, and Aeni/K-anime could act as a bridge for Anime and K-drama fans. Now you see how you can lure anime fans into K-drama fans and how you can lure and bait K-drama fans into becoming anime fans.

TomDay said:

china and korea have way worse censorship than japan (but especially china), so they will probably be forced to go online than it being more of a choice. of the dongua you linked, i don't believe any of them would be controversial like the manhua i have read that were in danger of being cancelled. i would like to see some good manhua/c-wentoon be adapted, or are any dongua in that list are adaptions?

It's true that South Korea does have censorship more strict then Japan. But however, because of what's coming out of China, that may lead to the Korean government to relax censorship for animation in order for Aeni/K-anime to be more competitive on a worldwide scale. Censorship hamper creativity and I believe the Korean government are willing to tone down their censorship in order for Aeni/K-anime to gain an audiences outside of South Korea and beyond.

Also it's possible that CJ E&M may create a 2nd Tooniverse channel (let say they called it Tooniverse+. Tooniverse Xtreme) for Aeni/K-anime with more mature content to be broadcasted. Don't forget Cartoon Network has a channel in South Korea. So maybe they could make Adult Swim/Toonami for those mature K-anime. Also it's possible South Korea could create a "Animax"-like channel for Aeni/K-anime in Korea and probably in East and Southeast Asia (they could expand to North and South America).

So yeah, the censorship will be relaxed, but you and I are both agree they could stream the series and episodes online if they want to bypass any censorship. That's why I could see Netflix may team up with South Korea. And if there is a market, it's possible Crunchyroll could make their presence in South Korea and help give K-anime a platform.

There's one thing I don't want South Korea to do: I don't want aeni/K-anime to be shown late night just like anime do in Japan. Late night does not help K-anime.

I can't say much about Chinese animation because I don't have enough knowledge and facts about how they're going to be shown (either on TV or on streaming sites).

TomDay said:
i watch a show by tooniverse, wara store (the closest aeni i have ever seen being like anime)! i was thinking of checking out more of their content. thanks for the link, i will ask KA to upload it to the site.

Tom, it goes beyond that. I found other Korean animation that show the huge potential for Korean animation. I forgot to show you the trailer for this Korean animated film, Bad Boss:

And I'm not sure if you're familiar with Elsword. They did an aeni adaptation of that game franchise:

Click on "CC" to turn on English subtitle

It does look like a stereotypical anime adaptation of a RPG game. But this show how far Korean animation has gotten. Elsword: El Lady was not the only "anime" like aeni that Korea has been doing. It looks like South Korea has done a magical girl genre aeni called Flowering heart. Have a look:

Again, turn on CC for English Subtitle. Speaking of English, this same YT channel has a English dub too:

Yes, as you can this aeni does remind of Pretty Cure/PreCure with some element of Shugo Chara being thrown in. So yes, this show how far aeni has gone when it comes to making a potential medium.

So I do predict aeni will evolve and probably can hold candle to Chinese animation.

The only thing I don't want South Korea to do with aeni is create lolicon and moe fanservice. I don't want Korea's aeni to create their own version of Eromanga Sensei. That's what I don't want to see.
twoego Nov 15, 2018 4:11 PM
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