| Okay maybe sakura matou wasnt the best choice.i still dont get why people hate her so.do they think they could do better in her position?i doubt it.so to summarize.western:muh edginess bro. |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Western logic dictates that gore and angst is a sure sign of good storytelling. So when moe and cute girls/cute things anime strolls on out to offer a different, more pleasant experience, it's met with edgelords projecting their self-loathing emo ways onto it and condescending on those who would rather hug than cut. Great characterization and brilliant plot coherency -  Pedo pandering moeshit industry poison -  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| Their innocent act is irritating at times. |
| Firstable, I don't pretend to make an "old anime vs new anime battle", I just want to show examples of moe styles and no-moe styles. 1) Character design. 2)Theme/depth/mood/realism. Moe characters appear to be children, their voices don't fit their ages, they do moe things, they like moe things and they think about moe things. They don't fit serious anime/moments. |
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| Innocent moe characters tend to be dumb as shit. That's usually why I hate them. |
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| I don't exactly hate innocent moe characters. It's just after watching more series that isn't reliant on moe, I began to think that good anime does NOT have to be strictly full of moe. After all, I didn't watch that many moe-infested anime series to begin with, especially after watching a certain FABULOUS anime - if you know what I mean. Like I said, I don't hate such characters, I just no longer pay as much attention to them as I did before. Besides, if their "characters" are interesting and their design aren't forced, why not like them? |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Western logic dictates that gore and angst is a sure sign of good storytelling. So when moe and cute girls/cute things anime strolls on out to offer a different, more pleasant experience, it's met with edgelords projecting their self-loathing emo ways onto it and condescending on those who would rather hug than cut. Great characterization and brilliant plot coherency - Pedo pandering moeshit industry poison - |
| if you unironically like moe you are the cancer that is killing the anime community. |
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| Sakura Matou is innocent? |
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| You can't take them seriously. |
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| May as well add School Days cast as innocent. |
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DuskSunDawn said: Firstable, I don't pretend to make an "old anime vs new anime battle", I just want to show examples of moe styles and no-moe styles. 1) Character design. 2)Theme/depth/mood/realism. Moe characters appear to be children, their voices don't fit their ages, they do moe things, they like moe things and they think about moe things. They don't fit serious anime/moments. 90s Mio is going to give me nightmares |
| They're supposed to be sympathetic and get you to care about them. A protective instinct or something like that. When it doesn't work, they instead come off as helpless, annoying, or a backfired attempt to gain viewer sympathy. Or, well, yeah, a person could just dislike the moe thing. |
| I regret saying sakura matou... |
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Ratohnhaketon said: Western logic dictates that gore and angst is a sure sign of good storytelling. So when moe and cute girls/cute things anime strolls on out to offer a different, more pleasant experience, it's met with edgelords projecting their self-loathing emo ways onto it and condescending on those who would rather hug than cut. Great characterization and brilliant plot coherency - [img]http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/akamegakill/images/3/3f/Seryu_10.gif[/i mg] Pedo pandering moeshit industry poison - [img]http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj77/YandereGIFs/kobato.gif[/im g] I have never read bigger bullshit |
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LORDUBERKAISER said: I regret saying sakura matou... Fate is a sensitive topic, what can you do. |
FontSize72LOL said: LORDUBERKAISER said: alot of people on anime forums think moes are spawn of the devil.im curious as to why they hate them.not everyone has to be a super cool badass action girl/guy to be likeable dat (heaven's) feel when Sakura Matou. gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8. Anyway to give a serious response to this, I don't dislike moe, i only hate it when its used as a crutch in order to cover up bad charactertization. As well as when it's shoved in genre's where they don't belong like gakkougarashi. Edgelord "Badass" MC's are often times worse than the standard generic moe character, anyway. I like my characters to have actual traits other than "Teehee, am i kawaii desu uguu~♥β♥?" ummmm how is fate in any way moe? its more well that ^ I love meo, I think the hatre's more towards the lolis who are also meo, and not just moe itself. |
Ratohnhaketon said: Western logic dictates that gore and angst is a sure sign of good storytelling. So when moe and cute girls/cute things anime strolls on out to offer a different, more pleasant experience, it's met with edgelords projecting their self-loathing emo ways onto it and condescending on those who would rather hug than cut. Great characterization and brilliant plot coherency - Pedo pandering moeshit industry poison - Sex and violence is mature because mom doesn't want you to watch it. Have you seen how they chopped off a head in Game of Thrones? It was so mature I grew a beard. |
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| Honestly, I don't think I've problems with moe characters If they stay in their innocent-cute-SoL anime/manga. But I can't accept them if they're fighters in an action anime/manga... |
| They are brain dead dumb. |
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Enema said: DuskSunDawn said: Firstable, I don't pretend to make an "old anime vs new anime battle", I just want to show examples of moe styles and no-moe styles. 1) Character design. 2)Theme/depth/mood/realism. Moe characters appear to be children, their voices don't fit their ages, they do moe things, they like moe things and they think about moe things. They don't fit serious anime/moments. 90s Mio is going to give me nightmares which anime does she come from? |
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Illyricus said: omfgplzstop said: 'innocent moe characters(sakura matou)' i died This, lol. lmfao. Sakura? Innocent moe? xD |
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| Moe girls in animes that arent supposed to be moe are anoying as hell. |
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| Because Sakura Matou is a stupid wore of a woman .Her kind should burn in hell .She's the reason I hated Heaven's Feel .All the Menmas and Mukaido Manakas should follow her as well . |
| Wohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
JewellTH said: Evildragon16 said: Because Sakura Matou is a stupid wore of a woman .Her kind should burn in hell .She's the reason I hated Heaven's Feel .All the Menmas and Mukaido Manakas should follow her as well . Should we add Nanako Dojima in there as well? She fits the criteria. I don't know who the hell that is but if she's like them add her to the fire as well . |
| Wohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
galimx said: And the truth is neither of those is good writing. People just got shit taste. Of course, they are just gifs |
galimx said: jal90 said: Of course, they are just gifs What? The anime that the gifs represent. Stop trolling/shitposting. Why so salty? ='( Not my fault there, the joke was so easy and obvious it almost wrote itself. Whatever, which anime are these? Just curious, I have no idea. |
| Because Baka Gaijins are allergic to Moe. Everytime they see Moe, he/she will be tortured to death. They think that Moe are Aliens, therefore Baka Gaijins are afraid of Aliens. |
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Bernkastel said: Because moe, innocent and helpless characters can sometimes invoke a feeling of insecurity in the viewers. When they unconsciously realize the helpless character's struggle and escape from reality mirrors their own, they become frustrated and angry. Since they don't consciously realize they're looking at a mirror and that the emotion of helplessness is their own, they incorrectly identify it as hate for the character. On the other hand badass and confident characters like Alucard allow perfect self-insertion. The viewer will always see himself/herself as the perfect superhero, so will never be frustrated by the characters' actions. This is the same reason confidence is a human magnet in real life. It's interesting how the recent superhero films do away with the flawed characterization. Tony Stark having doubts? Nah, fuck that! Let him just become moral but he'll remain a cool ass dude who fucks everything that moves. |
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| >Innocent moe character >Matou Sakura You might as well call Gasai Yuno a moeblob in that case |
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| I don't mind characters that are considered helpless or frustrating as long as they have a good purpose in the show. I mean, I don't even rage at moeblob characters anymore but Mikuru is frustrating. |
Bernkastel said: Because moe, innocent and helpless characters can sometimes invoke a feeling of insecurity in the viewers. When they unconsciously realize the helpless character's struggle and escape from reality mirrors their own, they become frustrated and angry. Since they don't consciously realize they're looking at a mirror and that the emotion of helplessness is their own, they incorrectly identify it as hate for the character. On the other hand badass and confident characters like Alucard allow perfect self-insertion. The viewer will always see himself/herself as the perfect superhero, so will never be frustrated by the characters' actions. This is the same reason confidence is a human magnet in real life. I think the main reason is more objective. Moe characters don't fit every situation (adolescence, adulthood, war, apocalypse, murder case, kinap...) because moe characters are light-hearted. If they are too much disconnect from the situation, they destroy viewers's experience. Helpless characters: A)There is no psysical requirement. B)They are easily deceived, people take advantage of them because they don't realize people are taking advantage of them...or...because they don't show a serious rejection. C)Expressing rejection is difficult for them (babble, cry, silence, confusion, worry..). D)Instead of confronting the situation, they convince theirselves that everything is ok and/or they focus on feeling sadness/remorse/worry. E)They don't build their own future: they tend to not be needed, they tend to be plot driven and/or they're driven by others's actions. F) They don't have leadership or their leadership is very poor. They are insecure, they usually have low self-esteem , they doubt their own decisions, they prefer to follow other people's decisions. G) Being childrish is not a requirement. H) If they are main characters, it's possible people don't like them, MCs are important. Moe character: a) Their faces are too childrish for their age. Sometimes, it applies to their whole body. Their faces are plain. b)They were made to be taken care of. It's related to B, D and E. c) They have a childrish mind. It's related to B and D. d) Characters don't take them seriously: too much cheerful attitude, they are carefree, unconscious and/or simple-minded. Characters don't rely on their leadership. It's related to B and E. e) It's common to see them near a "paternal figure", someone who acts like their mother, father and/or older sister(onee-chan)/bother(onii-chan): giving them food, reminding them what they have to do, helping them with dressing, fixing their clothes, patting them, defending them from liars/abusers/enemies... f) Sometimes, their job doesn't fit their bodies and/minds. |
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Aquane said: I don't mind characters that are considered helpless or frustrating as long as they have a good purpose in the show. I mean, I don't even rage at moeblob characters anymore but Mikuru is frustrating. I find Mikuru as annoying as you, but, if there is something she definitely has, is a purpose in the show. Even her helpless personality is kind of related to the development of the story. In general in the Haruhi series every character trait has a lot of related context with the whole stuff about alternative realities. |
| Sakura Matou? |
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| Sakura is a crazy bitch, Nadeko Sengoku, in contrast, is a really sweet and innocent person. |
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DuskSunDawn said: H) If they are main characters, it's possible people don't like them, MCs are important. How is Yuki shy, helpless and innocent? She's fairly social with her friends, energetic and |
Bernkastel said: DuskSunDawn said: I think the main reason is more objective. Moe characters don't fit every situation (adolescence, adulthood, war, apocalypse, murder case, kinap...) because moe characters are light-hearted. If they are too much disconnect from the situation, they destroy viewers's experience. In some cases I agree. In fact, it could also sometimes just be bad writing that puts people off. But considering anime had always been like this in the past few years, I seriously don't think "moe killing immersion" is a legitimate point for any anime viewer unless they only just started or are very casual. Literally every anime is filled with moe and strange characters in the most inappropriate and immersion-killing contexts. Saying "moe/helpless characters killed my immersion" is like... dude, why are you still watching anime then? Experience is not required, people experience "killing immersion" on movies and series too. Anime "killing immersion" is not different from others. There is no need to accept it, it's not absolute, no-moe anime still exist. |
DuskSunDawnOct 25, 2015 9:17 AM
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JewellTH said: DuskSunDawn said: H) If they are main characters, it's possible people don't like them, MCs are important. How is Yuki shy, helpless and innocent? She's fairly social with her friends, energetic and She is helpless because: [spoiler] I) she denies every sad event. She creates a fiction where every student is alive and there is no apocalypse. It means she can't appropriately respond to events/problems/situations. II) She doesn't save food. Their friends are the ones observing this problem. III)she chooses to "buy" groceries instead of basic necessities. Their friends are the ones observing this problem. IV)She doesn't think about looking for a better place for hiding/living in. Their friends are the ones observing this problem. V) She isn't aware of friends's worries because she can't link it to reality. She can't support them. VI) She acts when the danger is imminent: someone is about to die. She is not a bitch, she hates to confront problems, she is insane but she is not a bad person. |
DuskSunDawnOct 25, 2015 10:00 AM
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DuskSunDawn said: JewellTH said: How is Yuki shy, helpless and innocent? She's fairly social with her friends, energetic and She is helpless because: [spoiler] I) she denies every sad event. She creates a fiction where every student is alive and there is no apocalypse. It means she can't appropriately respond to events/problems/situations. II) She doesn't save food. Their friends are the ones observing this problem. III)she chooses to "buy" groceries instead of basic necessities. Their friends are the ones observing this problem. IV)She doesn't think about looking for a better place for hiding/living in. Their friends are the ones observing this problem. V) She isn't aware of friends's worries because she can't link it to reality. She can't support them. VI) She acts when the danger is imminent: someone is about to die. She is not a bitch, she hates to confront problems, she is insane but she is not a bad person. So it's mainly because of |
Mischievous said: Bernkastel said: How can this not be innocent? <3 "I just want one thing. Everything. Everything. Everything..." Yeah. But the twist is what made her an interesting character. I agree. She was bland in Bakemonogatari, but the twist that she received in the Second Season was very good to her character. |
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| Short answer: hating innocent, moe or moral people is a requirement to be considered a man of good taste. Your favorite character has to be at least as bad as 0.1 Hitlers, otherwise you're a kid. At least, that's what dumb edgy teenagers think. DuskSunDawn said: Enema said: 90s Mio is going to give me nightmares which anime does she come from? Mio is from K-ON. The characters there tend to be innocent and moe. Mio is extra-innocent. "90s Mio" picture reminds me of Lime from Saber Marionette J (1996-1997). Zazie122 said: Innocent moe characters tend to be dumb as shit. That's usually why I hate them. Heh. As if most anime characters aren't adorably dumb. Those who at are at least good at some intellectual subject like literature or engineering are a rarity, those who are all-around smart are pretty much endangered species (even among overpowered main characters). Happy_Halloween said: if you unironically like moe you are the cancer that is killing the anime community. Bwa-ha-ha! I'm cancer that is killing your community! My name is Legion. You are doomed! Bwa-ha-ha! Bernkastel said: Because moe, innocent and helpless characters can sometimes invoke a feeling of insecurity in the viewers. When they unconsciously realize the helpless character's struggle and escape from reality mirrors their own, they become frustrated and angry. Since they don't consciously realize they're looking at a mirror and that the emotion of helplessness is their own, they incorrectly identify it as hate for the character. On the other hand badass and confident characters like Alucard allow perfect self-insertion. The viewer will always see himself/herself as the perfect superhero, so will never be frustrated by the characters' actions. This is the same reason confidence is a human magnet in real life. Nice jab. |
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